/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Complete misunderstanding about the differences between businesses and charities.

Spooks did

Since OP is a fag:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/25/vegan-pay-want-restaurant-faces-closure-customers-fork-less-3-meal/

>brietbart
>coming from /pol/
>not posting source

>>8026013

I saw it on Twitter m8, googled for it, and found half a dozen sources.

>>8025997
Apparently fuck capitalism and eating meat isn't a good business model
Meanwhile actual restaurant can be very profitablethis is why the left doesn't belong in business but rather in government and goverments surrounding areas because they couldn't make an honest buck if their lives deluded on it, this is also why they want to mega tax the rich and liveable wage welfare because they don't understand that rights are equal and you can't make any law you want and decriminalize teft

>>8026022
Did you just got a stroke, gramps?

>>8026013
Apparently poor people want to pay jack shit but rich people don't want to pay 6 times the cost to make up for loss?
Who could have ever figured that out?

>>8026028
Everyone calls right wingers old fucks but then trump happens and pushes pol to the mainstream and they are left wandering what happened.
Don't kid yourself kid you are a costumer not a vendor

i'm surprised /ck/ isn't saying they could make it work for $3 / meal, especially without meat

>>8025489

Lentil as anything

I do not understand this pun.
It is a pun of some sort right?

>>8026022
>>8026033

I'm sorry our education system has failed you.

>>8026043
Some Autistralian thing I'm sure

>>8026043
It's a play on "mental as anything." As in, "as crazy as anything you can name."

Pretty apt.

>>8026013
>poetry circles, musical gigs and meditation classes
what even is this place? initially it sounded like a restaurant, but now it sounds like some hippie dream. meditation classes? what the fuck? did they also sell african baskets and handmade soaps?

>>8026022
The fuck are you on about, restaurants have massive failure rates. Their biggest failure is overestimating altruism and the demand for vegan food. But to be honest, even free market theory gets completely fucked if altruism is not present in some form without devolving into a dystopia.

>>8026056
>altruism
I've never understood this. Altruism doesn't exist. People don't do anything without getting something out of it in return.

>>8026056
I've never seen a restaurant that has survived the model in OP.

>>8026062
So you are autistic.

>>8026062
>People don't do anything without getting something out of it in return.

Agreed. Even if there is no obvious physical exchange involved (like, say, money or goods) there's always the personal satisfaction.

People might donate money to a charity or give food to the homeless--what they get in exchange is satisfaction, perhaps a reduction of guilt, the feeling of "supporting their cause", etc.

>>8025997
>that one awkward guy in the back with the pelican shirt

>>8026068
Excellent quality post

>>8026069
Yep.

You probably are correct, but saying that tons of restaurants are successful is misleading. Close to 90% of restaurants fail, it is simply a bad business to get into unless you have a deep calling for it. It isn't that this model failed so much as restaurants as a whole fail. The exact reasons that helped contribute to this failure can likely be attributed to misjudgements about clientele.

>>8026054

Restaurants commonly host events to increase traffic and draw customers. I'm sure that even in your flyover state, local restaurants have things like karaoke nights, right?

>>8026064
apparently they have several locations, some have been open for over 10 years. it sounds like it's a soup kitchen for hippies.

>>8026081
yea but not poetry circles or meditation classes. not even in woodstock, ny where I grew up. not in a restaurant where people are trying to eat.

karaoke is done in bars, not restaurants.

>>8026089
I know of eclectic diners where I live that don't do exactly this but they do things similar. They are not your normal restaurant but that is their mystique and market niche. Off beat is a marketing scheme in and of itself.

>>8025997
They made the false assumption that vegans are better people and would give more of their money for a cause. Clearly it wasn't the case.

>>8025997
liberals are literally mentally ill.

>>8026062
I remember when I was 13 and going through my autistic Objectivist phase. Sometimes I go back and read the posts I made during that time to remind myself of what a faggot I'm capable of being.

>>8026056
vegan pay what you want restaurant have a 100% failure rate, they should have open a mcdonalds, those things anage themselves

>>8026154
Is that you, Joe Cumia?

>>8026161
this place is a chain with some places open over 10 years. it's a soup kitchen for hippies.

>>8026161
You type like a fucking retard, dude. How do you expect anyone to take your opinions seriously when you convey them like a drunken 14 year old?

>>8026050
you didnt expect trump and now you are butthurt as fuck, what do you even expect to happen if trump loses? everything goes back to how it was before? how is hillary going to manage black lives matter? isnt it funny that after the first black presindent who was going to bring hope and change we see massive organized race based crime again? when are you going to admit that what you do doesnt work? everyone is tired of your shit

>>8026178
Are you drunk, anon?

>>8026178
None of that changes the fact that you have atrocious writing skills.

>>8026054
>some hippie dream
You didn't figure that out after reading pay-what-you-want vegan restaurant?

>>8026172
i may type like a retard but you manage a buisness like a champ
and i mean like a toddler that doesnt understand that at the end of the day you need fucking profit

>>8026186
i thought it was a restaurant..

>>8026188
I think you have me confused with someone else, friend. I work in pharmaceutical research.

>>8026178
//pol/

>>8026183
wow such an amazing rethroic
how can anyone argue against
>shut up
>i dont like you
>you are a bigot
>go to pol
you know where i can go instead? anywhere right wing is mainstream again and now we know how awful is the country when you run it

>>8026013
>customers don't know how much we need to run a business?!?
apparently, neither do the owners.

>>8026199
this is a cooking board.

>>8025997
still overpriced

>>8026069
>People feel good for helping others
>Somehow evidence against altrusim
That's literally what altruism is.

>>8025997
I go to chef school with a chick who's working there, and heaps of my druggo mates go there every night to get free food

>>8026199
I never said any of that. I agree with you for the most part, but the way you present your arguments makes us look dumb. Please never talk about politics again; people like you are just ammunition for liberal pussies to call us incoherent idiots.

>>8026183
but yeah i mean, you write like a champ dont you? how many curriculums have you wrote already? 200? im sorry the world needs another nu male with a psychology degree like people need a pay what you want vegam restaurant

>>8026217
Again, I work in pharmaceutical research. What do you do for a living, character?

>>8026204
you are not dumb anon, you are retarded, people always laugh at trump because ughh he talks funny and he is aginst mexicaaaans... my maid is mexicaaaan?, what is like his problem?
keep tryint to hold that globe underwater, im sure if you push deep enough it isnt going to float as soon as you let go

>>8026218
this is a cooking board.

well it was a nice gesture and I imagine they fed a lot of poor people.

>>8026230
Actual conservative here. Are you trying to make us look bad?

>>8026230
this is a cooking board.

>lentils cost 99¢/lb in le US
>woolies has them for $3/kg, about the same price
>1lb of lentils cooks up into 8 servings; 1kg into 18
>costs $0.17/serving to cook lentils in aussieland
>oz vegans want $10 a plate
lol

>>8025997
Vegetarians are the kinds of people who only buy laptops, never use any of the wallpapers included with the OS, install a 3rd party theme, and move the taskbar to the top of the screen.

Vegans buy Macs. Mostly laptops but you might see them with a desktop (i.e. full commitment mode).

The rest of us buy or build a desktop PC, we might have a laptop for school or business, but we don't like it, and only change the wallpaper when we upgrade to a new version of Windows.

I'm not really sure what this has to do with OP's post, but it made me feel better to type it.

>>8026218
so you are a test subject that gets 500 biweekly dolars for taking pms medication? im currently practicing my art skills and learning computer science at college, i couldnt give less of a fuck about the second but i need to work to survive and programers are always on demand

>>8026241
...when it suits you

>>8026241
>this is a cooking board.
this is a cooking board.

>>8026260
this.

>>8026254
>practicing my art skils
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>8026013
>$23,000 a week running cost
The fuck. Is rent really THAT high in Sydney or is this one of those "volunteer run" scams?

>>8026268
and studying cs...?

>>8025997
theres a gratitude cafe near me. All these homeless crust punks go in and eat there. most pay literally pennies because thats what they want to pay for vegan food. the place closed its policy and made a base amount of $4 to eat there after taking a asskicking and almost going out of business.. because sliding scale eating places dont work in our society.

>too many bums and moochers
>nobody wants to pay for vegan food

>>8026033
>costumer
>trump voter
>retard
pic related

>>8026041
>$2700 a month rent

overheads a bitch

>>8026278
>...?
Please go back to plebbit.

>>8026172
He types just fine if you ask me. You sound exactly like a 14 year old.

>>8026298
noboddy axed you, artard

>>8026298
>vegan pay what you want restaurant have a 100% failure rate, they should have open a mcdonalds, those things anage themselves
should be
>Vegan pay-what-you-want restaurants have a 100% failure rate. They should have opened a McDonald's; hose things manage themselves.

>>8026308
those*

>>8026293
i have never been to reddit, maybe you can show me thet way
i mean bicurious left leaning political correctness faggots love it right?

>>8026318
Nobody's being a faggot here but you.

>>8026313
nah, it was right the second time.

>>8026178
Actually I am a Trump supporter. You hurt our cause by opening your mouth and it would behoove you to keep it shut as your obvious lack of education becomes more self evident the further you speak.

>>8026329
this is a cooking board.

>>8026273
Story says rent is 2700/wk, so you tell me.

>>8026334
Oh right. I love taco bowls.

>>8026329
>behoove
im going to go out limb and guess you are a power bottom

>>8026339
But they don't have to pay for labour, and supposedly it's non-profit philantropy, lentils are dirt cheap, so really what else is costing those 20300 per week?

>Onwers set a "name your price" buisness model
>Owners get mad when the price people want to pay isn't high enough

>>8026360
they also pay a staff. and i'm sure the manager get paid. I assume most volunteers are kitchen staff.
its not that much money truthfully its like 3400 a day which is normal..though they cdont give numbers pertaining to amount of customers on a given day which would make all the math make sense.

>>8026363
I always played with the idea of the opposite, a restaurant where you pay for absolutely everything but the basic meal is either really cheap or we offer maybe a free three ingredient salad with no drink
And you pay for everything you want to add be it bacon, cheese, dressing, etc

>>8026387
If the costumers are hanging out for poetry and meditation session I'm going to guess they are the kind of person that hangs out there for 3 hours and drops three dollars.
This restaurant model could work if you set a low minimum and force them to leave after half an hour

>>8026188

What does a business in Australia have to do with "right wingers used to be old but it is now a mainstream movement thanks to trump"?

You sound like an average salty drunk american who flies 3,000 miles from the USA to sit at a beach bar in a country where no one knows who the fuck trump is or even how to speak english and you start trying to argue with people about US politics

>>8026387
I have vegetarian buffets around me that charges less than equivalent to 15 aus dollars, and they don't use volunteer or claim it's non-profit hippy bullshit.

>>8026252
>only buy laptops
Tick.
>never use any of the wallpapers included with the OS
Tick.
>install a 3rd party theme
Nope.
>move the taskbar to the top of the screen.
Tick.

>Macs.
Nope.

Okay. I'm not a vegetarian nor a vegan, but lots of that applies to me. What's that supposed to imply?

>The rest of us buy or build a desktop PC
I have, but I'm not that invested in tech to care to do it regularly.
>we might have a laptop for school or business, but we don't like it
I have a lappy for business and another for home. I like both.

>and only change the wallpaper when we upgrade to a new version of Windows.
Whenever I get a new computer, I change the wallpaper to plain black and move the taskbar to the top. It stays that way until it craps out on me or I dispose of it in some other way. What's wrong with that?

>>8026408
That business that pander to left wing culture are no longer cool?
You can't talk about a restaurant failing without bringing in business into the equation, buzzfeed is bleeding views. It's hip to be left is dead, politics is mostly marketing anon

>>8025997
these sort of places are a heaps old concept. Theyre usually indian vegatarian places though, and they do tend to go oob which is sort of sad since the food is usually top notch

>>8026422

My family runs a hotel and restaurant that have been in operation since 1994 and is now the biggest operation for tourism in my country and we have yet to speak to each other about trump and left wingers or right wingers or take those terms into consideration for movements in our business.

In fact I don't even know what left wingers or right wingers are. We don't use those terms politically here.

We don't even dabble in local politics. We keep as far from it as possible.

Each member has their own preferences but in terms of business we keep politics and business totally separate.

You still have to mention what trump has to do with a shitty business in Australia.

>>8025997
There's a place like that in Vienna. That one's been going strong for years, though. Maybe Austrians are less stingy.

https://www.yelp.at/biz/der-wiener-deewan-wien
http://deewan.at

>>8026455
>indian food
>top notch
lol

>>8025997
My favorite vegetarian restaurant in NYC charges $4 a meal, so this doesn't seem too far off.

>>8026358
I had to go look up what that was. Yes.

>>8026476
I make fun of the poo in loos as much as anyone, but you can't knock their food. It's basically the only cuisine that does vegetarian food on a wide scale, and the majority of good vegetarian dishes are Indian in origin.

>>8026062
If you made something that really knocked my socks offs. I'd pay and tip handsomely. But
>vegan
Not in my lifetime.

>>8026422

If you start a business like that in the middle of the ghetto and let all the hobos in it will fail.

If you start a business like that in a rich neighborhood and be serious about kicking the hobos then you have a higher chance of success.

That has nothing to do with politics.

it's an international Web page with posters from all over the world. yes a lot of the posters won't have great English. funny how people should know this, yet somehow you dont.

>>8026488
yes, you can knock their food. it's bad and unhealthy.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/chef-prepared-curry-after-wiping-7745790

>>8026514
Good thing I'm American.

>>8026518
so am i.

>>8026513
>international web page
4chan is a website hosted in America that was created by an American living in America for American anime fans.

>>8026514

>Indians viciously defend wiping their ass with their bare hand
>britfags don't know their most flavorful foods have gone through the human intestine at least once

>>8026507
Vegetarian lasagna is pretty good tho

>>8026522
Then link me an American news source, bub. Poo in loos are cheap, rude, and smelly, but their food is good.

>>8026532
no their food isn't good.

we don't do much indian food here in america. we do greasy food way better here.

>>8026513

I can guarantee you that the faggot raging about american politics is as american as you can get. Meaning he grew up learning and speaking English so he should decent at it.

>>8026536
>we don't do much Indian food here in America
I live in Peoria, Illinois, which is the world headquarters of Caterpillar. The town is overrun with poo in loo engineers that CAT shipped over, and literally the only good thing they brought with them is food.

>>8026536
It's good when I make it. Then again, I'm not a poo in the loo with low hygiene standards. If you want the authentic feculence I can't help you there.

>>8026251
>lentils move themselves off the shelves
>lentils pay rent
>lentils cook themselves
>lentils season themselves
>lentils hop right up into their plate
lmao

>>8026541
>poo in the loo engineers mixing with shart in the mart flyovers.
Dam, I bet Peoria fucking stinks.

>>8026653
It does, but that's from the heavily polluted river and all of the grain refineries.
>shart in the mart
worse than go za

>>8026466
great, fads dont work like that, if your buisness model is based on fads you ride the fad and then you change. Im going to bet you dont give a single fuck about toast or bagels or siracha.
>>8026509
if you start a buisness in the ghetto you better sell weed, crack and wathever other drug everyone is using. I dont think there is a single faster way to become rich

>>8026639
>lentils pay rent
this is a donation based model with nobody to donate.
If you are going to need at least 20 dolars per plate of lentils why the fuck are you giving them for free?

>>8025997
>i just left college and im going to start a buisness model
>open buisness
>offer product for free
>?????
>fail and blame capitalism

and the best part is that they let people work for the ten extra dollars that they needed
>need 2000 dollars for rent
>10 people work 2 hours each
>pay them 20 dollars
>they give me 200 dolars
>repeat for two weeks
>at the end of the day open safe
>only 200 dolars instead of 2000
>how could this be?

>>8026419
People this gay actually browse this fucking website now

What happened to my 4chins

>>8026532
>Immigrants magically lose their bad habits when they enter the US

Wow that also explains why niggers aren't violent at all!

>>8026524
and now I'm here and there nothing you can do about it, Sharty!

>>8026707
niggers aren't immigrants. they were here longer than most white people.

>>8026707
It takes 3 generations unless they are Islamic or black

>>8026713
?????
Can you point to Africa in a map?
You know blacks don't swim right?

>>8026719
you know white people arent from here either, right?

>>8026719
White people aren't native to North America, either.

>>8026714
3 generations of mixing with nonblacks??

>>8026013
> ".....we believe everyone has the right to eat at the table."

Funny how these hippy fuckers never seem to believe that everyone has a right to be compensated for their goods and services.

>Social nights, including poetry circles, musical gigs, and meditation classes have failed to turn the company's fortunes around....

You can't make this shit up...

>>8026022
>this is why the left doesn't belong in business

OR government.

"We need to put females in military units...b-because.....it's not fair to exclude them!"

>>8026757
>quotation marks
>stutter typing

>>>>>/r/homosexuals

>>8026721
Yeah but blacks came in the white express, azthecs didn't fucking own black slaves

>>8026154
>liberals are literally mentally ill

This.

>>8026156

>>8026769
You seem upset.

>>8026785
>everyone who isn't an autistic Rand worshiping retard is an emotionally unstable SJW retard
It's the us-versus-them, black-or-white mentality that makes regular people hate the politically opinionated.

>>8026777
>azthecs didn't fucking own black slaves

No, they owned Aztec slaves.

>>8026793
>regular people

>>8026757
Well yeah. Maybe they belong in arts... oh wait they don't belong in art on entertainment either since they fuck up and fire show hosts for being offensive and form clickes amd echo chambers.
The left can't fucking disconnect their politics from anything, maybe you feel sorry for refugees but you don't fucking let a family of them live in your house and maybe your boss is a bit of a cunt but you don't acuse him of rape, left culture is cult culture where they are taught the end justifies the means and the ends can be based only in feeling with no need for the to even make sense.
When you hire a fucking person who couldn't even fulfill half the requirements you need someone to work twice as much to cover for him and when you fire anyone willing to work twice as hard because you don't like the you just doomed us all.
Give me my ban now, make it to go

>>8025997
>“But people are taking advantage of what we’re doing here and forget about how we run, and the fact that we need support.”

It literally says pay what you want, how can you take advantage of someone if they're opening that door? These people are stupid.

>>8026802
Regular people, as in people who don't filter everything through the lens of their own personal political beliefs. You know, non-crazies.

>>8026053
>"mental as anything."
Never heard this saying

>>8026810
Because when they let someone pay half of what you need you need someone else to pay 50% more and that's not going to happen
And when that happens instead of getting mad and demanding the people who pay half pay the whole cost they complain that people with more money don't pay twice.
If you let 20 people who don't pay work for food and you let people who pay pay wathever they want you are going to have 30 waiters serving 60 costumers who each makes you loose 3 dollars, you don't want more business when business make you bleed money

>>8026820
It's classic Australian shitposting. They do it IRL just as much as they do it online.

>at the Atlanta airport
>eating some charcuterie plate at one of the restaurants
>overweight Australian waddles in
>he's in full khaki exploration gear
>camera around neck
>calls all of the waitresses "bird"
>louder than everyone else in the restaurant combined
Truly a horrible country.

You know how you make this work?
You make a real restaurant that serves real food
Then you grab the day that you get the least amount of profit, you serve two maybe three dishes for lunch, you make it free and you encourage people to tip a lot.
By the end of the lunch hour you lost money sure but you both paid half your employees salary and you got a ton of new costumers most of which will come back during the rest of the week to eat and pay

>>8026793
The sad thing is that SJWs are only moderate left at best. There is a lot more left you can lean, so basically if you consider yourself more right than an SJW you are actually leaning right.

>>8026866
SJWs are authoritarian leftists, and it's the authoritarianism I take issue with more than anything.

>>8026866
You are a moron, they March down the streets yelling Marxist quotes and demanding someone fires a person who did nothing wrong and how only mistake was not being as much of an extremist as them and refusing to force students to take 20 hours more a month of indoctrination classes and give them the power to kick other students out

>>8026871
Oxymoron has the word moron in it

>>8026873
Authoritarians are shitty regardless of any of their other beliefs. Personally, I've all but given up on politics, because I don't see how one can reconcile the emotional yearning for freedom with the rational realization that an element of control is necessary for a functioning society.

>>8026890
and each and every belif is either left or religious?

>>8026913
Try that post again.

>>8026890
its easy
you aknowlege both that you need someone in power and that person is your worst enemy who is never to be trusted, if the goverment knows they cant fuck up once they will behave

>>8026921
But they can fuck up as much as they want, since the vast majority of people are content with being controlled as long as they get their bread and circuses. In fact, it seems like people desire being controlled by some power greater than them; it makes me sick.

>>8026917
and each and every belief is either religious or left leaning?.
I never hear right wing people discussing utopian ideals, right leaning people are very reality grounded unless they are religious

>>8025997
I'd abuse the shit out of that too.
It's a stupid business model and you only have yourself to blame when people take advantage of you.

>>8025997
That's what happens when libcucks meet capitalism.

>>8026933
You would eat a plate of beans and lettuce? That's hardly a meal

>>8026930
thats something else.
It all goes to shit the moment someone takes a hand out in exchange for agreeing with a policy that harms them.
The goverment wasnt suppossed to be your provider, wellfare wasnt suppossed to be a liveable wage for the poor. Thats how they operate, the left is taking over the world because a good chunk of voters have no alternative but to vote for the people who wont cut their benefits, its like choosing the kid who owns the ball when playing football you dont get a choice.
When you take on yourself the rsponsabiity to provide for the poor the amount of poor skyrockets, the only way to fix this shit is to gradually cut back, make them double guess that second child, make her think again that divorce or abortion, make him think about taking that factory job with his dad again but poor people dont want that at all

>>8026955
My main problem with welfare programs like food stamps and affordable housing is that it allows business owners to underpay their employees while the rest of us pick up the slack. If welfare were cut tomorrow, and people started going hungry, there would be riots in the streets for higher wages, widespread looting, and wanton violence. The powers that be (who are beholden only to the people who pay them) know this, so they let the richest family in the world pay their employees so little that most of them require food stamps.

>>8026930
you dont want to cut wellfare? i have a perfectly god compromise then, you grab the amount of money spent in wellfare last year and you refuse to spend a single penny more for 15 years that means more people dont get into the system or everyone gets less money as a result, make them deal with consequence, you get enough money fort your junck food, drugs and videogames now sure, next year you scrap by, two years from now you have to give up one of them or work

>>8026968
there are riots in the streets right now.
We are going to have to deal with a litle bit of crime sure, thats why i argue cutting back gradually, people on wellfare arent the brightest of the bunch, half the reason the revolt is the media controlling them anyways, they wont think abut the future until the future comes

>>8026988
These riots are nothing compared to what would happen if the poor were removed from the government teet and faced with the realization of how fucked over they are by big business. Our government and the highest levels of finance, industry, and agriculture are so intertwined that they are essentially the same thing. We live in an aristocracy under the guise of a republic. Race riots are like a day at the circus compared to food riots.

>>8026968
>there would be riots in the streets for higher wages,

Higher wages aren't the problem, and they won't fix anything.

The problem is that some people are very bad at spending money and prioritize luxuries over necessities.

Cutting food stamps would force DeShawn to sell his blinged-out Cadillac SUV in order to buy food instead, as it should be.

>>8026208
no, it isn't. that's how you have rationalized what altruism "must mean" since the actual definition is insane and impossible. altruism is an inexplicable "duty" or moral imperative to do for others unselfishly--even when it is detrimental to you.

>>8026994
>fucked over they are by big business

Why do you think the poor are fucked over by big business as opposed to their own personal choices?

>>We live in an aristocracy under the guise of a republic

Agreed. But how exactly are the poor "fucked over" by their government?

>>8026995
>The problem is that...

The idea of personal accountability is constantly demonized by leftists, one, and people are content to just "ride it out" instead of doing what it takes to change shit, like gassing the shit out of "rioters" like BLM, or shooting looters and arsonists, like those recently seen in Baltimore.

>>8026995
So making it to where a job at McDonald's or Walmart actually would pay more monthly to support your family over welfare is a bad idea?

The problem is there is no point AT ALL for these people to want to work when they can just sit around their house eating fucking cheetos and smoking pot all day, and get paid more than even someone who works a boring office job.

>>8026999
They're dumb and they're sold lies in order to keep this whole thing going. The poor are stupid and greedy, and the rich are manipulative and greedy. There are no good people, but at least the dumb ones have an excuse. As odd as it sounds, I feel like a benevolent dictator would be the best form of government, assuming that benevolence includes unfettered freedom of expression.

>>8027013
>I feel like a benevolent dictator would be the best form of government,

Which is all fine and well until that said man dies and it all collapses.Goddamn, I am so negative today, just ignore me.

>>8027013
>They're dumb
That's their fault, not the advertiser's fault.

>and they're sold lies in order to keep this whole thing going.

so it's the businesses' fault that some of their customers are unable to see through their bullshit?

>>benevolent dictator
I agree. Alas, that's a very risky proposition. Not to mention that I'm sure idea of exactly what constitutes "benevolent" varies from person to person.

>>8027019
Do you think a con man is justified because people fall for his lies? That's a bad road to go down, excusing the immoral actions of one group because of the naivete of another.

>>8026995
the problem is that people will always want more money no matter what they get, if you give deshawn money to dine the most exquisite meats instead of mcdonalds he would still want more (im making it /ck/ related dont ban me)
i dont like dealing with feelings and feelings have no place in politics but these people feel hurt, if they where hurt or not it doesnt matter because money doesnt fix hurt, if they are so angry about being constantly in jail make more programs to help their family keep in contact with them, make prison better, make it safer, stop fucking giving them weed money

>>8027002
black lives matter manifesto calls 23 year old adults with hairy balls and pussys children.
Its fucking insane, its like a fucking cry for attention and a male role models in their lives

>>8027027
Why do you hate the niggers so much? They didn't ask to be here.

>>8027025
>Do you think a con man is justified because people fall for his lies?

Depends on what you mean exactly. I think that fraud is a real problem and that outright lies or inaccuracy in an advertisement constitutes fraud, and that ought to be prosecuted under the law.

So, for example, if someone offers to sell me a Ferrari and ships me a Ford, then yes, that's a problem and I expect that to be handled by the Law.

...but the problem is that most of the issues I see with poor people and the government aren't outright lies in that same sense.

If someone buys expensive packaged food because they don't know how to cook from scratch I don't see that as being the fault of the processed food maker.

>>8027036
i dont, i hate the people who lie to blacks telling them they care about them and that they will help them and keep them safe and then they push for blacks to get trapped in a horrible poverty they will never be able to escape.
But thats just because i hate liars more than anything

>>8027036
wellfare is and has always been a one way ticket to poverty no matter when or where, telling poor people you will solve poverty by giving them wellfare makes you a disgusting son of a bitch

>>8027071
We're sold lies from birth about upward mobility. None of us are going to be Rothschilds or Rockefellers. The Jews have the game rigged.
>>8027078
Racial politics, like all identity politics, are merely distractions so we all fight amongst ourselves instead of taking on the real problem: kikes.

>>8027085
Good job not following the conversation at all, retard. We're disagreeing on why welfare is bad, not whether or not it's bad in the first place, because it objectively is.

>>8027087
dont vote hillary then, never vote hillary then.
Voting hillary is voting the half solutions that only harm that we have been getting all along

>>8027091
it wasnt a jap towards wellfare at all. It was a jab towards a whole class of people

>>8027096
Nobody is talking about voting Hillary. It should be pretty clear by my posts that I don't trust anyone in the government.

>>8027096
Why would I vote for female Putin?

>>8027091
and before you open your mouth im not talking about those at the bottom

>>8027102
because trump is at least attempting to offer a solution?

>>8027115
Trump is so obviously controlled opposition for Shillary. He's as much a part of the establishment as she is. If you think there's any separation between the political elite and the business elite, you're a fool.

>>8026995
WEW LAD

i agree higher wages wont fix the problem, however what would actually fix the fucking problem is not having everything be so overpriced.

hell i get 300 dollarydoos in foodstamps because i make only 1900$ a month.

that 1900$ gone after paying rent and bills in a fucking trailer from the 70s btw and maybe spending 150$ dollars on luxury stuff like videogames

and the only bill that isnt necessary would technically be an internet connection but thats only 50$ a month

>>8026013
They need to fire their editor

>>8027120
make him president then, how will he back down from all the shit?
black lives matter should be renaimed life matters, everyone should join and it should be directed towards the political elite who always win no matter what but common sense is asking too much

>>8027134
>make him president
I live in Illinois; my vote means nothing.

>>8027124
its an attempt to weed anyone who isnt upper middle class out of citys anon.

>>8027124
How the shit? I get $725 a month, $72 food stamps if I go back on them, and rent is $400 a month here. I also owe the bank $236, a church $450 and will be homeless in 7 days because there is no feasible way to pay a $400 deposit and $400 rent, with the chance that I have to pay $250 to switch utilities into my name.
You work and you get that much assistance? Absolutely haram. This is going to be a fun hurricane next week if it hits.

>>8026053
It's a play on the name of a band from the 80's.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_As_Anything

>>8027132
this.
>hand in cap
fucking triggered me

>>8026639
>b-but $23,000 week operating costs
Nice try, but that's for all their locations put together, not just King Street. That's seven places, by the way, averaging $3286/pw per place. Makes sense, though: $800/pw for residential and about $1625/pw for commercial are the average for King street, right? So where's that other $1600something going?
>labour!!!
Right. Two workers being paid minimum wage are together earning $1345/pw. The other workers are all volunteers.
>utilities!!!
That's around $300 monthly on average right now for Sydney, so only $70/pw.
>but their utility costs will be higher because they're a business
True, so let's double the average.
>plus the cost of food and shit to cook
True. That's about another $200/pw

Okay, so we've figured out the breakdown of their operating costs, right? So now, let's figure out how many $3 bowls of lentils they need to sell, shall we?

3286 ÷ 3 ≈ 1096.

So 1096, then. That's how many they need to sell per week. That's 365 per day. Yeah, no shot.
>exactly! that's why they need to sell them for $10!!!
Yes. That's 47 bowls per day. And $10 is a fairly reasonable price. However, that's not their business model, is it? They could put "suggested donation of $10 per order, please" but they don't, do they?

And this is why they need to realise that no one is going to pay $10 for 17¢ worth of lentils when they can pay $3, that they're SOL, that this whole idea was silly from the start, that this is why they've closed five locations already and that other vegans couldn't care any less about it.

If they want to stay afloat in that area, I'm sure they can ask whomever it might be that's in charge of such things to give them the a-okay for a truck or something and use liberal guilt to their advantage. Big sign "You couldn't pay to keep us open, so here's what you're willing to pay for: a truck. And here's a brown person for you to pity. Please give freely. Also, we spit in your lentils."

>>8026062
>Altruism doesn't exist. People don't do anything without getting something out of it in return.
This is truth.

Even if you "selflessly" give away millions of dollars or just help people out expecting no compensation, your "payment" is the warm and fuzzy feelings. If your brain did not reward you with endorphins and other feel-good chemicals for donating, you wouldn't donate.

>>8026234
Wizard's Second Rule

What if they kept a future Hitler from starving?

>>8027397
>breakdown of their operating costs, right?
Not even close.

You neglected:
-Insurance
-Taxes (of which there are many)
-Restaurant equipment purchase and repair
-Cooking supplies (pots, pans, spoons, etc.)
-Fixtures (tables, chairs, etc.)
-Advertising
-Regulatory licensing, food safety certification
-Misc. other supplies (cleaning, office supplies, printing menus, signs, bathroom stuff...)

I also think you GREATLY underestimated the utility cost.

>>8027410
I agree (and most psychologists too) altruism doesn't really exist but there are altruistic actions out of principle

>>8026062
>>8027410
look up the definition of altruism.
>the principle or practice of unselfish concern for or devotion to the welfare of others (opposed to egoism)

>>8027435
I'm going with the numbers they themselves give, $23000/pw for all their locations together. All your information is doing is suggesting that they have a single paid worker rather than two. (o:

>>8025997
I suppose they're opposed to putting a simple "requested donation" next to each item? It works for museums and such.

Funnily enough, Newtown is Sydney's epicentre of hippies, vegans, crusties, anarchists, antifa and other assorted University filth pretending to be poor and alternative.

I say pretending because most of them are the offspring of wealthy doctors, lawyers, socialites and born-into-wealth types. They're studying at Sydney University and LARPing as heroes of the underclass.

So the weird thing is, although most of their clientele is probably very well off, they can't be seen to be well off, because that's a betrayal of the elaborate fantasy world they've built for themselves.

>>8027655
Don't forget faggots. There are more gays in Newtown than Abbos in Redfern.

>>8026281
2700$ A WEEK. I can't believe it.

>>8025997
>>8026013
>>8026022
This isn't anything to do with veganism or politics. Pay what you want isn't sustainable.
Numerous restaurants have tried it and failed.
Humble bundle tried it and had to institute a beat the average incentive.
The majority of consumers chose to pay nothing for Radiohead's In Rainbow.
Over a single day of sales the least successful paid mod for Skyrim made more money than the most popular release on nexusmods had made in donations, over it's entire span.

For a bit of reference, I released a game once, for free. Small scale, but folks seemed to like it, even had a few quick articles written about it. Turns out the site (itch.io) has a donation prompt when you go to download a game: over 15,000 downloads, 22 people chose to actually pay a non-zero amount. Ended up making <$30 (which I was fine with, as the release was supposed to be free). But by comparison, URL monetization sites can pay up to $10 / 1000 views.
Running on charity just isn't viable compared to the alternatives.

>>8027655
>grow up in upper/upper middle class neighbour hood
>Parents take time to narture them and make sure they do well in life
>popular in school and fit in well in general
>get into university of choice
>complain about how they have it harder than the average because they differ from a white cis male

On the plus side the majority of people saw through their bullshit.

>>8025997
theres two vegetarian restaurants in vienna (europe) i know that do this and they opened like 10 years ago and are still going strong, but then i heard the average customer pays more then 5 euro and the drinks have fixed prices. maybe they opened up in some poorfag part of the city? according to regional statistics i saw 1 out of 2 retaurants close down in the first year or so it might have reasons completely unrelated to it being vegan or the business type, who knows, but on the surface it obviously makes for a good clickbait article, since lots of people love to see the mostly unpopular vegan populace suffer. disclaimer: i'm not a vegan or vegetarian

>>8026022
i think you just gave me an headache.

>>8026030
why would rich people go and eat there, they would expect the place to be full of disgusting poorfags and just go somewhere else

>>8026033
its true, old people are more conservative, young people only if they got an conservative upbringing by old people. its pretty natural, but why the hate against being conservative or old people, thats not normal

>>8026062
it depends what you call altruism, some people understand that if you get popularity in return (facebook likes for your cool picture eating at a vegan restaurant) its not really altruism, but some people do. most hipsters simply exchange money for popularity, going as far as rich people voting against their own "interests" (the canditdate that makes them more money) because popularity has more worth to them then money, which makes sense.

>>8026069
and if they post it on puplic social networks: POPULARITY. people underestimate how important popularity is for richfags. they already have the money, what they lack is popularity. its a simple exchange, and totally worth it.

>>8026143
thats a pretty broad assumtion you are making about vegans. poor vegans gonna poor and rich vegans gonna donate. its not magic, rather a matter of location and marketing

>>8025997
>these people were so close to controlling a mass reserve of money thatd be gathered from unpaid taxes

>>8026013
>"Social nights including poetry circles, musical gigs and meditation classes have failed to turn the company's fortunes around"
These are two of the hippies that were responsible for the failures:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtoWhObHzo4

>>8026154
they just have a different set of information that doesnt match with what you know. its not a mental illness its more about being either misinformed or believing in different priciples, realistic or not. it also depends on what kind of people you hang out with and how to be popular with them. you wouldnt become a conservative if it meant losing all your friends, people are egoistic at heart and dont really care about "the country and its people"

>>8026188
please take more time to write out your comments this is aweful, its not a competition, you are anonymous

>>8026208
the best shot at altruism is if you give money to someone poor that you dont know and will never see again and nobody but you two know about it and you will forget it soon. everything else might give you something more valuable then money in return and is therefore not altruism. you realize how much people are ready to pay to be popular or feel good, right?

>>8029794
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXhSSB11ba4

>>8026230
this is a cooking board not pol, please stop talking about trump or i will vote hillary just to spite you

>>8029794
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2RoLfawHPU
No wonder they wonder they went bust

>>8026252
thats not true at all, i know so many non vegans who do what you just said about vegans/vegetarians and the other way around and im sure theres no data to back up your claim, so stop talking out of your ass and grow up man.

>>8026307
i know youre doing it on purpose but its becoming too obvious for everyone, so you might wanna tone it down again if you want to keep your (you)'s

>>8029794
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHDAJOr6S_o

>>8026013
>"running costs are in the region of $23,000 a week
>"We also pay $2700 a week in rent and employ kitchen staff"

Those numbers don't add up. Let's assume all 28 of the staff pictured are getting 20 hours a week (They aren't) and let's assume they're all getting $25 AUD an hour (They're not) Then that's $14,000 a week on staff.

$14,000 + $2,700 = $16,700

I doubt they're energy bill is enormous, I guess the gas burners could use up a bit, let's assume $2000 a month, which would be pretty high so that's roughly $500 a week

$16,700 + $500 = $17,200

Now I don't run a restaurant and never have but I'd be surprised if they were spending $5,800 a week on produce and ingredients. I'd be fucking astonished in fact but apparently that's roughly how much it costs them to buy vegetables and spices every week.

Just sounds like in addition to giving away their product for virtually nothing which is almost always a stupid business decision that their expenditure is way fucking higher than it needs to be.

Or it's all some elaborate tax scam, which wouldn't surprise me.

>>8029502
>Humble bundle tried it and had to institute a beat the average incentive.

The first time that fucking thing was ever tried despite being able to purchase it for as low as 1 cent thousands upon thousands of people still chose to pirate it.

Betting on the kindness of strangers is fucking retarded.

>>8029830
It all seems bullshit to me. The other expense you can add is leasing arrangements for equipment, but that's impossible to determine without seeing the kitchen.

The only other thing that could be taken into consideration is bank loans. I'd say there's a good chance they took took out way more than they needed, and put a lot of that in their own pocket.

>>8029834
>Betting on the kindness of strangers is fucking retarded.
The only time a "pay what you think it's worth" routine could possibly work is if you did it 1 night a week, and on that night you only had 3 or 4 meals that could be made in bulk for cheap.

>>8026470
servus! dewaan is gut aber die leute zahlen recht gut im schnitt soweit ich weiss (5 euro und mehr) getraenke kosten extra und das essen ist fast immer relativ guenstig von den zutaten her und die location und bedienung sicher auch

>>8026470
not less stingy but more embaressed to look stingy. no austrian can endure to see the face of the server after they underpaid.

>>8026488
confirmed to know nothing of italian cuisine or other cuisines that matter. mostly vegan AND healthy. the strong part of indian food is that thanks to spices and preparation even the most shitty ingredients can be made into something palatable, which is important in some parts of the world.

>>8026524
to bad he sold it to the japanese, your dream is over now, welcome to the new reality!

>>8026713
WE WUZ AMERICANS N SHEET

>>8029860
lol the chinese own nearly every american company. your argument is invalid.

>>8026729
>>8026721
american natives are more white to me then some whites in europe, africans on the other hand...

>>8026769
what does this have to do with sexuality, are you confused?

>>8026828
thats how taxes work, but they are enforced of course

>>8026871
i agree with this. wouldnt be so unpleasant debating with leftist if they didnt behave like fanatical religious braindeads preaching the gospel instead of actually debating

>>8026932
right leaning means conservative, so they look into the past for answers, not the future. if they talk about utopias it would be nazi germany reloaded or neo roman empire part 2. left means progressive and trying things that have not yet happened, which can be very risky. authoritarian means you will do everything to achieve your vision, which leftists do more these days, they are more violent and agressive on social media and opposed to civil discussion then the right. faith is independent of this, faith is just a way to justify your actions, which can be right or left or whatever.

>>8026933
you would not if it would make you look like an ass. some cultures are ashamed of looking like an ass some dont. you seem to have grown up in an uncivilised part of the earth, so thats why you would not be ashamed.

>>8025997
>What made them think it would succeed?
We have one here that works, but it's not vegan and therefore runs on heavily subsidized foods. Also IIRC it's not QUITE pay what you want and more 'only pay for drinks', so every person contributes 2 bucks minimum.

>>8026937
well, thats excactly why they want to change the system, and guess what, they are winning, at least in canada and most of europe, so that business model might not be dead yet.

>>8026955
what makes you think the right will cut benefits? in my country the right would only cut benefits for people who cant vote anyway (yet).

>>8026968
you would still pay the same amount of taxes, foodstamps or not, dont think the goverment will give you a break when they save some money. they will just pocket any excess themselves.

>>8026998
to be fair "the actual definition" doesnt exist, its society which defines words and those definitions might change over time, especially now with social networks. not many people go after dictionary definitions and even those differ in cases where authors might not agree on historical evidence. may point is that arguing over definitions of words is meaningless, just say what you mean without important sounding words

>>8029864
they own usa national debt, but are they really the majority stockholders of many american companies? i dont think so.

>>8029924
yes they are. 4chan being owned by a chinese person doesnt make it not an american board for english speaking americans.

>>8029928
if he wanted the owner could just ip block all americans and enforce complex capchas only japanese could understand while banning all known japanese proxies too. what would you do?

>>8029928
he is japanese btw, big difference. 4chan is a private operation and he can do what he wants with it, he is just keeping it for the lulz, he said 4chan is only losing him money

>>8029933
nothing. I, like the majority of 4chan users, would be blocked from using the website. it would be a bad move on his end since this is an american board for americans.

>>8029937
>big difference
lol no.

>>8029939
have you ever been to japan? like no crime, everything is clean and its silent on the street even with thousands of people? china is the complete opposite. i hope this was educational! have a nice day. (ps: you must be at least 18 years old to visit this board, dont get cought)

>>8029946
>have you ever been to japan
lol no. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XP5lz2CYNR4

Actually we have such a place in my city, except it isn't vegan. It's an indian "all you can eat" AND "pay what you want".

It's always full, but since it is a buffet, the staff only has to cook a few nice dishes, what the do really good. Also, drinks are not inclued in the deal, and the have fixed prices for those. So, something like that really can work, but as some said, you can't believe that upper people will come and need to adapt (aka no service)

>>8026143
exept a lot of poor people probably ate there, vegan or not

>>8026022
>this is why the left doesn't belong in business but rather in government and goverments surrounding areas because they couldn't make an honest buck

No you fucker, the apply their logic of business to a nation and destroy it.

>>8025997

God I just hate everyone in that pic.

>>8030535
same, except for the homeless guy eating in the bottom right.

>>8026143
This.

They assumed that the vegan community would get behind them and support them more fully than they did. They wrongly believed they would pay more for a plate of cheap legumes and rice than a aged, premium steak.

Fact is, this is known human behavior towards strangers. You want to give them as little as possible and gain as much as possible, bringing in good feels and socialist behavior in to what is a easy to fault, hard to get right business is retarded in the extreme.

People will actively look for reasons to pay you less, their behaviors change, too long to get a refill, not enough sauce, not enough garnish, too spicey, not spicy enough, chair wobbled, table uneven, waiter was not smiling all the time, waiter was smiling all the time.

There are far to many variables for your average street restaurant.

>>8025997
>"There is no such a thing as a free meal".

>>8030605
>"There is nothing free, if you get it for free somebody else has payed for it."

>>8026252
Seeing a computer where the taskbar has been moved from the bottom is always a red flag for me. I'm sure there are some normal people who do this, but I have yet to meet them.

>>8029879
Well yeah but taxes aren't a cool restaurant theme

>>8029502
Pay what you want only works with enough good incentives
Look at runescape, not exactly pay wathever you want but definitely free if you didn't want to pay

>>8030643
>That is literally what they had, if you can pay more for your food than the guy over there, please do so.
>I'm not doing that, I'll pay the same as everybody else for the same service.
>Asking others to pay more than their fair share is not asking, it is guilting and emotionally blackmailing people to pay more than they want to.

>>8029767
.maybe if you had good tables that where above every other table and everyone was forced to compliment them?
I'm not exactly rich so I can't tell what they want that's why you research the market before going ahead with the business.
People mostly don't go out to eat for the food, think about what you can offer tbem

>>8029767
What about clubs?
Girls go out to clubs every night because for them its free while poor saps go out when they have money to blow it on girls for the one in a million chance of getting laid
Look at casinos people go because they want free money and then keep going because they have to make the money they lost back.
Clubs and casinos can definitely be cheap for you or really fucking expensive

>>8030665
I can picture the voluntary waiter bringing the lentils to a table, getting the fucking 3 dollars and asking for more like a bum because it's beginning and harrasing because the food is free and the guy therr tells her to fuck off like I do with hobos

>>8030718
Yeah, who could possibly think that a person you have brought in off the street could have any investment in seeing your business thrive? These people do not know the industry, do not know anything about it, you have just said sure volunteer for a shift.

Can you imagine all this shit?

How many times they never washed their hands?
How many times they ate food of the customers plates?
How many times they stole a little something for later?
How many times they pocketed some of the customers payment?

>>8030743
Yeah stealing is probably as common as a cold beer in a sunny day there, is it even stealing?
But I was talking about the attitude, can you picture a passive aggressive vegan cunt doing a single shift as a waitress? They aren't employed and they aren't getting paid so yeah good luck getting quality service. She would probably chat for 15 minutes with her friend while the food gets cold in the kitchen and when you complain she marches in there, drops half your food, sneezes in it and throws it in front of you making some sauce splash all over the table

>>8029866
Any Natives that seem white to you have generations of European blood. They're Asiatic.

>>8029860
If an American buys an American car in America, and then sells it to a Japanese person who never takes it out of America, does it become a Japanese car?

>>8030788
If a Middle-Eastern, living in the Middle-East, raised by a Middle-Eastern familiy flees to Germany and shoots up a shopping mall a few years later, does he become German?

Yes, he does.

>>8030808
>implying all Germans aren't middle eastern

>>8030811

>>8026389
you already have pizza places for that. Also some restaurants have some cheap meals and then shit like desserts, drinks and starters/extras cost crazy amount of money. So usually you go there but if you just want to enjoy the evening you end up paying more

Once again proving liberals are actually cunts at heart and too dumb in the head for business. Probably the lack of protein and vitamins.

>>8026252
>only change the wallpaper when we upgrade to a new version of Windows.

What the fuck delet dis.

/wg/ fgt, get good.

>>8026410

>needs 15 to turn a profit
>chink buffet near me charges 7 AND serves actual meat, you know, that's expensive as balls

>>8030893
Yeah but I wanted to see how far it could be taken as some sorth of experiment. I don't expect that sorth of model to be successful, more like if I ever won the lottery I would like to try this to see if I can push it far enough that I could actually offer some base meals for free and still make a profit.

>>8027134
>black lives matter should be renaimed life matters, everyone should join and it should be directed towards the political elite who always win no matter what but common sense is asking too much
just like the wallstreet we are the 99% thing. Guess what, the only thing you get are a bunch of artists that think they should get money for shitting in a box and putting it in a museum. The bankers have the big bucks and whatever movement you throw at them they can endure the weather and outlive it. The students have to get their degree at some point, the workers have to pay their mortages at some point. Unless you have an army of workers gunning down every banker and dirty politician and then fry all the credit data you wont get anywhere in destroying the cancerious backbone. But guess what, once youre done you have no people who can set up an effective global banking system (since all the good ones already got corrupted into the old system and then gunned down) and you are way back. Then you have to somehow prevent the new bankers from becoming leeches as well.