/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>7757615
>highly procesed, but mostly edible.
>highly procesed
>terribly bland.
>bland.

>>7757615
>buys fast food and shit pre made crap from supermarkets and shit restaurants
>surprised when it's shit

>>7757692
to be fair, even a bunch of small restaurants are just fronts for sysco franchises these days.

>>7757692
Honestly, this sounds like a good summary of the British culinary experience. You have to look a long time for decent food and it is invariably marked up to some ridiculous price. On the continent it is relatively easy to find a good cafe or bistro, and the produce is obviously better.

>>7757615
I can't speak for english food, But I recently traveled around the US, and loved the food. Although I specifically sought out places known for good food. But the US is very heavy on the salt, from fine dining to buffet style shit.

The pubs in london had some of the best burgers i've ever eaten in europe.

All the rest was fucking horrible.

>>7757615

you were either lured into shitty restaurants that rip off american tourists or were too poor to afford a decent place.

>>7757615
I'd have cooked for you personally when you visited anon, but I don't have any good recipes for dick. Sorry.

>>7757806
Oh look Nigel got triggered. Why are you on this website? I'm going to report you for hate speech.

>>7757813
>but I don't have any good recipes for dick
He prefers his raw.

before thread gone shit. what is the most british food ever made? include pics please

>>7758022
Macaroni and cheese, apple pie and Kit Kats. Lasagne was also an English dish but back then it did not contain tomatoes.

>>7757756
>English food is shit
>But American food is GREAT!
yea we know

>>7758032
>Lasagne was also an English dish but back then it did not contain tomatoes
wait what, so what does it contains?

>kit kats
i thought this is a japanese things, considering the varieties they had

>>7758053
>wait what, so what does it contains?
Everything else but the tomato, I imagine it was not a popular dish at the time otherwise it would have remained a staple food.

>>7757615
typical whiney shitpost. I could name 50 US restaurants, and many home kitchens (yeah, I'm talking about you boys and girls) you would call good to fucking awesome.

>>7757692
But that's how actual Britons eat.

There's a reason why the only things tourists rave about in British cuisine are Yorkshire puddings and the sunday roast. You're about the only non-Scandinavian country that has made seafood completely bland. Your sausages are shit. Your pastries are dull. Your vegetables are wimpy. Half of everything comes from a can. Your population regularly vacations in Europe just so they can occasionally remind themselves what food tastes like.

>>7759878
>Your pastries are dull
Doing fine until then, the UK is famous for pies and even invented the Apple one.

>>7759896
apple pie was perfected by the americans, specifically in Vermont and the Adirondacks (north of albany, ny). doesn't matter who invented it, we do it right, here.

>>7759910
>apple pie was perfected by the americans
This is the pizza, burgers and hotdog argument all over again, go back to your fast food threads.

>>7757681
Is this anorexic bitch lambasting American excess from the restaurant supply aisle?

Is she actually retarded?

>>7757615
You lie OP . . ..you NEVER went to Britain.

Your post is just a meme fest.

>>7759878
Just admit, you are another 'know-all' who has never travelled to the UK.

The UK has the best restaurant scene in Europe aside from maybe France at the high end. London might be shit but it is maybe one of the best places to eat in the world (poorfags not invited).

British supermaket produce doesnt compete with the continent however we are above or equal to in culinary areas to all of germanic Europe and probably have a wider variety of food (muh empire) than any of those countries

>>7761182
I would prefer to go North Italia or North Spain for eating instead of London, traditional or vanguard food if you want it with top tier ingredients and a very lively scene rescuing local products. Plus weather and culture are more upbeat.

>>7758053
Lasagne
Sounds real english to me. Well played chap. Also tacos, and lo mein can be traced back to ole England. But no corn for the tacos, and no soy sauce for the lo mein. Otherwise they'd still be staples.

>>7759896
I thought it was the dutch. Or it could be that the dutch settled the northeast earlier than England. So we just reffer to it as Dutch apple pie?

>>7757740
Nottingham here, there are plenty of single run restaurants in town that charge about £8-£14 a main, that's well within the range of someone working minimum wage to have as a treat and the food is freshly made, quality stuff.

>Bills
>Thaikoon
>Rub
>Le Bistro Pierre
>Loch Fyne
>Something Fishy
>Tamatanga
>Turtle Bay (I think this is a nationwide chain now though)
>TarnThai
>Reds
>Annies Burger Shack
>Soulville Steakhouse
>Tropeiro
>Georges
>Wildwood
>Zizzi's

If you can't find good food in the UK you are a retard, this is barely half of the good restaurants just in the city centre, move 5 miles out and you can quadruple this list.

>>7757615
British food is surprisingly like American food with regards to how average people eat, especially older people. Not exactly the same type of food but the quality and level of seasoning for sure (apart from the cheese which I think is superior). I remember watching some show where MPW tried to make a menu of all british dishes from entirely british ingredients and it was kind of funny how poorly they were received by his clientele. It wasn't even weird shit like jellied eels, we're talking fish pies here

But like America, Britain benefits from being a multicultural, cosmopolitan, patchwork society and their food obviously reflects that. After NYC, London is the most important city in the world and probably one of the richest too so it attracts a good food culture. I don't know much about how it is outside of that area but there is a lovely pastry shop in Dartmouth and I had some first rate puddings and fish in Aberdeen. I was drunk most of the time I was in Edinburgh but I assume they get on pretty well too.

Basically if you ask a young, well-off person where to get some good food they ought to be able to steer you in the right direction. Working class shits have terrible taste and the older posh people are still cramming their gullets with cucumber sandwiches.

t. American who lived in Rotherhithe for a year

>>7761305
>Lasagne
>Sounds real english to me
Actually it's true.
The recipe of pasta sheets, layered with cheesy sauce dates back to the 14th Century. No Tomatoes then, it was another 100 years before they were brought over.

It was even called loseyns - pronounced Lasan.

And the mods allow yet another shitposting thread.

10/10 guys.

>Yet another "I'm an American and I spent a whole week in England and didn't like the food in the shit tier tourist traps I could afford" thread

How fascinating.

>>7757615
God damn you people are utterly obsessed with us.

>>7759878
>sausages are shit

neck yourself.

>>7761697
>loseyns
Well color me impressed anon.

>>7761697
cool

>>7761709
sometimes the best way to get a good thread started about a particular cuisine is to say it is shit and have the IDF come out and post comfy food. Don't you know how the internet works?

>>7757615
I'm British and I can confirm that most of our food fucking sucks. Imo "foodie culture" which is very popular amongst the middle class isn't a real cooking culture and is more like a nerdy interest than a homegrown knowledge of cooking.

I live in France now and I can say that people appreciate good cooking so much more here. There isn't actually that much elitism.

Now what surprised me was that nearly everyone my age that I know can't cook for shit. I have a french gf and I cook maybe 95% of the time.

I would also say that processed supermarket British food is really good and much better than American food. Just compare the ingredients list on a can of baked beans in England and a can in the USA and you can see.

>>7757615
Nobody can ever give an answer as to what those balls in this picture are.

>>7761928
I wish you self hating Brits would go see a therapist.

There is nothing wrong with "British food culture" it is a mix of northern & western european "food culture" (You know, what with the mix of Angle, Saxon & Normon culture) with a dose of Conquered Brown People "food culture".

Yet here you are comparing it to French food. Even though British & French share a root "food culture", except the British version isn't a monoculture.

>>7761947
Are you talking about fine dining? I'm talking about common cooking. The cooking that most families do on a daily basis. That's food culture.

I don't believe we have it. Or if we do it basically amounts to cooking a roast on a sunday and steaming vegetables and eating chicken kievs during the week. It's not self hating, it's a valid observation. I worked as a school teacher in various places for six years before moving. I got to know a lot about the kinds of food that children and their families eat. It's poor m8.

>>7757615
>I admit upfront, american food was a bit disappointing. It was highly procesed, but mostly edible.
Uh... what part of the country were you in and what kind of food did you try?

>>7761305
Bet you feel like a right tit now.

>>7761962
>Are you talking about fine dining?

No, but it's interesting that's where you went.

>I don't believe we have it.

I don't care what you believe; it isn't true. It's the "everything was better when I were a lad/in the 1950's/on the Continent/in America/on the moon" wishing that the British (mostly the English) just love to engage in.

I can go into an average supermarket in France and find just as much shit and microwave meals as I can in the average British supermarket. I can find just as much fresh veg, meat & fish in a British supermarket as I can in a French one. Poor people in France eat processed food too.

>>7761962
I'm with you I think it is pretty obvious to anyone who has been to both countries and met actual real people there they would agree.

>go to scotland
>eat roasts, fish and chips with an irn bru, blood pudding, nandos, burgers

>go to france
>spend 2 hours eating lunch, host keeps bringing out runny cheeses, rabbit pate, fresh bread, delicious preserves and cured meats
>walk a extra 20 minutes to get to the other market because "pierre has better tomatoes than this one"
>even the McDonalds here is better
>spend all day making saucisson

Anglos are too occupied with making money. Of course they don't have unemployment like France does but they live dismal lives

>>7761947
>>7761974
>it's interesting that's where you went.

Well yes, because you claimed that French cooking was a monoculture. Which, when it comes to haute-cuisine it is and much of English fine dining comes from that.

However, traditional or common French cooking is not a monoculture at all. There's a huge difference between the different regions. A family in the south-west eats differently to a family in Normandy. The way this country thinks about traditional cuisine is very different and regions have done well to preserve the different varieties of regional dish. Now of course, in England we have some regional specialities but really, there isn't nearly anywhere near the same diversity that has been preserved. I've lived in Yorkshire, Surrey, Essex, Bristol, Devon and feel like I can say this.

England has a great foreign influence in our food, but when most people cook curries they buy a jar of pataks and put it in with chicken. That's not really cooking and it doesn't really represent a cooking culture. Here there are more families who would try and make its own tagine. Yes it might be a bastardised version but they use real ingredients and not a jar from sainsburys.

Of course that's not to say that there aren't plenty of cooking plebs in France: Macdonalds is absurdly popular here and young people seem pretty crappy at cooking in my limited experience so far. However, I do still think there is a cooking culture that has continued in family cooking. I teach in a school in Lyon btw so I could be completely wrong but even parents who aren't particularly wealthy cook proper food.

Anyway I'm not a self hater and English cooking in the 50's was way fucking worse.

>>7761981
I have to say, the quality of fresh vegetables really sold me on French food. Tomatoes are actually really nice here. I can't believe I spent so much time eating bland shit tomatoes back home.

I don't think Anglos live dismal lives at all I just don't think a love of cooking is a big part of it.

>>7761984
don't blame them for having shit cooking post war, it fucked america for the next 60 years too

>>7761981
>Scottish food is shit

Even the Scots will admit that.

>>7761996
To be honest I think common English cooking culture really suffered from the rapid industrialisation that preceded most European nations. Just a hunch but it's my guess as to why so much food that is consumed is processed in cans/jars/etc.

>>7761928
>I'm British
>fucking sucks
>a can

You Ameriblobs are too stupid to shitpost properly. The Devil is in the detail.

>>7761984

We do like to cook.

I live in Toulouse, we have 1-2 open markets everyday inside the city, with local products and foodstuff.

It's sometimes 2-3 times less expensive on some food items than supermarkets.

In less than 20 min you could anything you need for 4-5 days of cooking.

I usually go on sundays, eat breakfast (handmade pastries, coffee), and come back with a rotisserie chicken/paella/sausages/etc... for lunch and groceries for the week.

>>7762006
refrigeration, canning, and mass production in the name of capitalism is what did it. But that is the trade off we make for having northern euro heritage/ethnicity. Our food is uninspired but we personally are wealthier

Don't eat the white people food in Britain. It's all about the indian food my dude.

>>7762080
It's amazing how you faggots are experts at everything and knowers of nothing.

I do wonder about you people, you tell all of these elaborate lies and create these fantastical stories about people and places you have never known in order to try and spite them.

For all of this effort they must have committed some slight to you all, but this surely isn't healthy for your psyche.

>>7757615

>>7762097
it's just a meme dude but everybody knows the stereotypes between northern and southern europe. I read an economist article that went so far as to say the Wallonian/Flemish divide is a microcosm of the entirety of europe (the important non slav bits anyways)

>>7761182

>London maybe one of the best places to eat in the world

this is the stupidest thing I have ever fucking read in my entire life.

>>7762111
It's the perfect personification of repeat a lie enough times and you start to believe it yourself.

I have seen people born here, the usual self hating sort swallow the lie themselves.

It's such an insidious lie that it is impressive by its own right, yet there is a sadness to its existence that so much energy can be put into a lie. People want to believe it, so they do.

There is something much deeper at work with this.

>>7762117
You are telling me the 5th richest city in the world WON'T have plenty of great restaurants.

>>7762130

>curry
>kebab
>fishsticks

ayyy, best food in the world no question about it

>>7761928
>isn't a real cooking culture and is more like a nerdy interest than a homegrown knowledge of cooking.

This. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tNWYclVn-Q

It's the difference between having maybe two generations that are "into cooking" and have relatively good ingredients available, and a culture that's had a hundred year history of passing down good cooking.

We had a culinary tradition, but it pretty much got reset to scratch by WWII.

>>7762130
Step up your pizza game, sempai.

>>7762138
God you Americans are a cancer.

>>7762144

>>7762066
Nice. I live in Levallois Perret. There's a nice market here considering it's in the city.
>>7762150
Kek'd hard

>>7762148

UK shouldn't even be allowed on a food board asshole

>>7762159
Go back to your fast food threads.

>>7762164
>American "cheese" threads.
>American "chocolate" threads
>American "which brand xx is best?" threads

Such garbage.

>>7757710
Truth. Have you ever met chef Dan from Cysco? Total douche as is the rest of their sales staff.

>>7758036

Aww bless, he thinks burgers are an americunt imvention. Oh quaint.

>>7761972
Nah.
>>7761868 (me)
I welcome new knowledge. But can you not see how that mistake can be easily made. And I would like to feel a right tit if you'd oblige.

>>7762290
Maybe next time you will do some simple googling before spouting memes.

>>7761697
What, that's amazing. I thought you were taking the piss at first.

>>7762306
welcome to 4chan nigger

>>7761697
Oh. My. God.

>>7760095
hey its just a picture of a girl with mayo and she has a jeering look we're ok

>>7761928
As an American, I can honestly say that there's nothing more pathetic and loathsome than a self-hating Brit.

is there anything more pathetic than an anglo defending his native cuisine?

>you just didn't go to the good boiled meat restaurant
>actually [foreign food that doesn't suck] was invented in england
>it's all because of the war

if you would believe the anglo cooking defense force britons were eating garlic and peppers and stuff with flavor until those damn germans bombed them until they forgot how to make anything but fried fish and aspic.

>>7763740
>anglo
What is it with this /pol/ meme and why try to bring it to /ck/?

>if you would believe the anglo cooking defense force britons were eating garlic and peppers and stuff with flavor until those damn germans bombed
Well full points to you for ignorance, The British were eating all sorts of stuff from Nutmeg, Cinnamon,saffron, cardamom and a huge variety of herbs long before America was even discovered.

The problem post-war - was that there was a generation who grew up without learning about decent food and due to rationing which ended in the mid 1950's, they had less access to many ingredients we take for granted today.

Much of what you eat today (such as macaroni cheese and Apple-pie is English in origin). Trying to be edgy with memes and a complete lack of knowledge of the British food, just makes you look dumb.

>>7763802
Macaroni and cheese.is credited to JeffersoIn new england. Not English. Apple pie is right though.

>>7763829
Jefferson in new England. My bad.

>>7757681
I bet grimes cunt tastes like mayo

>>7763829
>Macaroni and cheese.is credited to JeffersoIn new england
America claims credit for everything but it's not true and it doesn't take much to find out.

>>7763802
>before America was even discovered
some of the best tasting foods like tomato and peppers came from america, but only southern europe incorporated it into their cooking.

>due to rationing
you can grow garlic and onions in your yard. or are you going to claim that the luftwaffe even bombed potted oregano?

>>7763875
>you can grow garlic and onions in your yard
They were grown. I guess you are short of argument points though.

> tomato and peppers came from america
Well South America and apart from chocolate and potatoes - that's it!!!!

I'm not sure of the point you are trying to make? . . unless it's the 'British Food meme' !

>>7763740
From the little details in your post I can determine that you are from Quebec, which in and of itself is a greater insult than anyone here could muster.

>>7763829
>Macaroni and cheese.is credited to JeffersoIn new England. Not English

Are Ameriblobs this stupid on purpose or is it a natural trait?

>>7761697
>>7758032

>However, Nick Shearing, one of the staff of the Oxford English Dictionary, having paused only to restore his eyebrows to their normal position, found within minutes of reading the story that the first mention of lasagne in Italian was in a work of 1281, a century before it was supposedly invented in England. (The famous Italian traveller Marco Polo came across a dish while he was in China that he described as being like lasagne, and he died in 1324, long before the English cookery book appeared.) In fact, the word is first recorded in English in 1760; its wide popularity is quite recent. It derives from the Vulgar Latin lasania for a cooking pot, though its insalubrious origins are said to in the older Latin lasanum for a chamber pot (though I am told that Italian etymologists prefer to find an origin in the classical Greek lagana, a type of unleavened flat bread not unlike pasta). Lasagne, by the way, is the Italian plural of lasagna, meaning one piece of this type of pasta; Brits employ the plural form both for the pasta and the dish made from it, while Americans usually plump for the singular in both cases.

>So what is this word loseyns? Well, there are a couple of instances of it in the Oxford English Dictionary. It’s an old form of lozenge. The recipe is instructing the cook that the pasta should be cut into diamond shapes.

>>7764072
What is the source for this information? You make it look like a wikipedia entry but it isn't anywhere on the page.

Post source now because the English seem to be winning this one as they actually do have a source for their claim.

>>7763575
Good job that the poster is american then, we call cans tins.

It's a tin of baked beans, always has been.

>>7764193
Oh you had to spoil his fun.

>>7762111
>northern europe is rich
>souther europe is poor

I can see you've never been to northern spain, they are en economic powerhouse and the region is wealthy as fuck.

It's only the south of spain that drags them down.

>>7764193
Dammit fellow Bong . .. .Some things you should keep quiet about.

Posters trying to pretend they are British always trip themselves up with little things like that,

Pro Tip: Next time acknowledge they are liars but don't give them the reasons.

>>7764193
>>7763575

Actually I am a Brit that just used a couple American words and criticised my own country.

And now some posters are throwing a hissy fit because they cannot approve of someone being critical of an (just one!) aspect of his country.

I've spent a lot of time with American expats and a lot of what they say has rubbed off on me sadly. I say can by mistake sometimes and identify as British because too often I get confused looks when I say English.

Now what part of what I wrote was self hating? I'm observing something I have seen in my country. Should I blindly love every single facet of my homecountry "just because"? That sounds completely retarded and something that would lead to a life of reactionary butthurt.

In my experience it's Americans who blindly defend their country, not Brits. We have a strong tradition of being downbeat about our country.

>>7764182

it is, annoyingly, unreferenced, but i found it here:

http://www.worldwidewords.org/topicalwords/tw-las1.htm

>>7764244
>He reveals he is an American in the very first line of his post

I'm not even going to tell you where you fucked up but every true Briton can see it.

>>7764244

>And now some posters are throwing a hissy fit because they cannot approve of someone being critical of an (just one!) aspect of his country.

i agree that they should be able to accept criticism, but on this board if you give ground/make concessions to the people who are jingoistically shitting on british culture it is obviously gonna be annoying to the brits who feel offended.

anyway i've said it before and i'll say it again: we have a great, multicultural restaurant scene and probably a wider awareness of 'world food' than many other nations, one of the tradeoffs however is that the domestic standard of cooking and repertoire of recipes is quite poor. however the standard of cooking is going up and as a multicultural nation it is probably a little unfair to just boil our cuisine down to roast beef and fish and chips as if that reflects the average british diet.

>>7764245
>first mention of lasagne in Italian was in a work of 1281, a century before it was supposedly invented in England.
It just refers to something but does not list it or mention it.

The first Recipe is undoubtedly English though but let's not get too silly about it, whoever did it with meat and tomatoes first made the best version.

>>7764261
>the domestic standard of cooking and repertoire of recipes is quite poor

Well that was what I was mostly claiming. Is it really that unbelievable a thing? I could swear I'm on /int/ sometimes.

>>7764258
Did you really not read the rest of my post? How stupid are you? I sometimes refer myself as a Brit for convenience. As an identity, a lot of English people also associate themselves with the word. It's much more common in London and amongst Pakistanis and other children of immigrants. (I'm half French/half English btw)

>Every true Briton

I hope this is a joke. No-one in the UK calls themselves a Briton. Unless you're some kind of role-playing druid.

>>7764268

i'm aware, clearly that is taken from some print article written by nick shearing that i can't find on the internet.

>The first Recipe is undoubtedly English

no. remain skeptical. folk etymology can be very misleading.

>>7764273

> Is it really that unbelievable a thing? I could swear I'm on /int/ sometimes.

i was giving you a balanced view that partially agreed with you. the fact that you didn't see that is a clear demonstration of why people get hyper defensive in this line of argument. if no one notices you're being reasonable, why bother?

>>7764282
I didn't disagree with you I was despairing at how posters were overreacting to what I was saying. Like you did just now :^)

>>7764244
Didn't read any of this.

>>7764244
God damn, when did Carl the cuck find 4chan?

>>7764261
Fuck off Rasheed.

>>7764284

you came in saying 'i'm british and i can confirm', said exaggerated negative stuff about the country and then shat on other brits for taking issue with it, it's annoying.

>>7764273

https://www.google.com/search?q=briton+site%3Atheguardian.com

>>7764273
>The mods won't delete shitposters like this and make /ck/ a good board

>>7764273
Kill yourself, seriously. Americans pretending to be other nationalities and shitposting is so tiresome.

>>7764261
Paki.

>>7759878
>projection: the post

you clearly eat shit food, and have never been to the UK

>>7759878

>Your vegetables are wimpy.

what does that mean

> Half of everything comes from a can

that's more true of a lot of other places, like the US, than it is of the UK

>Your sausages are shit.

kek

>>7762117
Have you ever been to London? Or are you poor and only ate in cheap restaurants

>>7757615
Lived three years in UK. Nothing you eat in pubs or restaurants is English cooking. Most are jewish/immigrant dishes [including fish & chips] look it up senpai

>>7764371

>Nothing you eat in pubs or restaurants is English cooking. Most are jewish/immigrant dishes [including fish & chips] look it up senpai

this is true of almost every other nation with a known cuisine. immigration is a part of every culture.

>>7764371
>Most are jewish/immigrant dishes [including fish & chips]
WRONG
The thing is people go to Wikipedia and all of a sudden, they are experts . . .don't bother linking me to any website . . .the first fish and chip shop could have opened by Space Squirrels but Fish and chips were eaten here long before then.

>>7757615

We invented roast and christmas dinners, your point is invalid

>>7761540
Yeah I suppose it is easier to find "good" food when you have shit taste

>>7761540
>single run restaurants
Also at least half of those are shitty chain restaurants you fucking reprobate

>>7761672
i always compared it to how people cooked after the war in germany or poland. not much special spices. except some weird stuff like mint sauce. most of it is just basic stuff you get everywhere else in western europe. sausage, cabbage, taters and gravy.

>>7761540

hahahaha that list

i bet there's a community of nottingham business owners that would fucking rip their hair out if they saw this post

why don't you go somewhere that isn't a fucking franchise

>>7764261
>we have a great, multicultural restaurant scene
in other words your native food is so dismal all you have to get excited about is food made by all the brown people you imported. isn't it funny that everyone shits on american food as a cultural wasteland even though the only difference between traditional american cooking and english and german cooking is the influence from african slaves and french canadians?

>>7764488
the war doesn't have anything to do with it. northern europe has always had shit food. france and italy came out just fine, and so did asian countries under brutal japanese occupation.

>>7764777

>in other words your native food is so dismal

or it's because we are a multicultural nation you bellpiece. obviously the ethnic diversity is going to be reflected in the national cuisine.

>>7764784
>it's because we are a multicultural nation you bellpiece
so is france, yet they haven't replaced all their boulangeries and bistros with kebab stands and curry shops.

>>7764878

yes they have, are you thick? they have a very multicultural restaurant scene as well in areas with a respectively multicultural population.

>>7764886

>multicultural

praise muhammad death to those that do not follow the true prophet

>>7764886

i agree france is very multicultural

its very progressive and culture and stuff and good things

>>7757615
I went on vacation to london a few times to visit a friend. The food is honestly terrible. The only thing that kept me alive was the Chinese food. For some reason, I found it pretty great. Better than any Chinese restaurants in my country. But as far as everything else, almost inedible.

I'm from Italy by the way, so I guess I may be hard to impress.

>>7764894

>I'm from Italy by the way, so I guess I may be hard to impress.

italians are the most annoying bellends when it comes to food.

what did you actually eat?

>all this butthurt

English posters are fucking pathetic. I thought you could be self-depreciating.

>>7764918
I tried a few things, but I don't remember exactly what they were.
Only specific one I remember were fish and chips. It was the only thing I could kind of eat, though it still wasn't good at all.

I have a right to be an "annoying bellend". I can say pretty easily that the fish I ate there was trash compared to our fresh seafood in southern Italy.

Come to any restaurant in Puglia, and compare it to London cuisine. There's a reason people don't complain about our food and do with yours.

>>7764967
Why lie?

Seriously . . . why tell lies?
You have NEVER been to Britain . . .stop telling fibs.

Except for Germany, I don't like to eat in Europe at all. Almost everything tastes bland.

Hell, up to this day I can't forget how disappointing italian food in Italy is compared to what italian immigrants made in Brazil.

>>7764878
>so is france, yet they haven't replaced all their boulangeries and bistros with kebab stands and curry shops.

When was the last time you were there?

>>7764967
I'm planning on visiting Italy this July. Last time I came i went to Bologna and just spent a week eating good food. Could you advise me a city to go to this summer?

>>7764979
I don't know why you think I'm lying. I promise, I'm not.

I only remember the fish and chips because I remembered wanting to try it specifically, since I thought it was something Britain was known for. I remember it being the very first thing I ate when I went to a restaurant.

I only ate at a couple more places after that, and I don't remember exactly what they were other than they were some meat dishes, and that they were disgusting. It was a very long time a go and I was only there for a few days.

I gave up on British food after I had actually had the best Chinese I'd ever eaten. Chinese food in Italy is terrible, so I remember sticking with that for the rest of my stay.

>>7765011
I live in a suburb of Paris (levallois) and there's only one or two kebabs in the whole quarter. There's a ton of bistros and brasseries here seeking decent to great food and NO CHAINS. I don't think there's anything like that in England.

>>7765018
>fish and chips
>very first thing I ate when I went to a restaurant.
> I don't remember exactly what they were other than they were some meat dishes

I call BULLSHIT.

More refined cultures produce less enjoyable cuisine.
Compare:
Scandinavian vs Medeterranian
Persian vs Arabic
Japan vs China
US vs Mexico
Indian Brahmans arent allowed to use certain spices and are often vegetarian.

Best food I ever ate was in a restaurant in Budapest. Deal with it shit lords

>>7765012
If you are coming for food, I would suggest going anywhere around Bari, and stick to small towns like Altamura, which is where I'm from. There isn't many tourist attractions but we have some of the friendliest people and you will eat the best food you've ever had in your life.

As far as Italian food in general, Puglia is where to go. Some more scenic towns are Alberobello, Ostuni, or Otranto, where the food is amazing too.

And of course you can always go to Sicily, if you want a more all-around Italian experience, since it is very beautiful there.

>>7765038
Great thanks. I'm definitely planning on visiting sicily later this year, but as a pasty Brit I'm afraid of the terrible summer heat.

>>7765038
>Puglia
I think it was Puglia where my boss went to and came back with a bottle of pine sap (as a food item). Shit is fucking delicious. Wouldn't recommend it with normal pine trees though.

>>7765025
Ok, I don't know what else to tell you. Believe what you like.

>>7765043
Haha, yes, it does get very hot. It isn't that bad though, but if you aren't used to it I'm sure it could be a bit rough.

Me and my family used to live in southern Florida, so Italian summers don't seem so bad anymore.

>>7765044
That's strange, I've actually never heard of that before. Do you know what town he got it?

>>7765057
>That's strange, I've actually never heard of that before. Do you know what town he got it?
None. And I'm literally about a 1000 miles away and out of touch with the man.

It was real fucking strange though, thinner than maple syrup. Duller sweetness. There was pine flavor, but not overly so. I didn't get to try a lot and it's been a while. He only had the 200mL(down to about 125) or so, I got the impression he couldn't get more.

>>7761540
loch fyne is fucking foul

>>7764967

you only remember fish and chips? where the fuck else did you go? greggs?

it sounds like you just didn't actually have any guidance for where to go. we have tons of markets and street food locations in addition, obviously, to a lot of produce-focussed independent restaurants. fish and chips is good quality fish cooked very haphazardly in a way that makes it into a very stodgy meal for families and workers. it's delicious, but it's pretty retarded to compare it to 'our fresh seafood in southern italy'. why don't you try our fresh seafood in england?

italians always act like they know everything by virtue of being italian, and it's only partially warranted. there is clearly a higher standard per capita than in the uk but in many of your cities the commercial food sucks. and if you go round turning your nose up at fish and chips because it's not like the mediterranean coastal seafood back home, you won't learn anything.

>>7765021

there are loads of places like that in england.

>>7765118
>greggs

>>7765121
Like? I will look on Google maps. I thought England was basically the high street and then lots of residential areas. Here in Paris every street will have a brasserie on the corner (at least)

And as usual the mods allow anti-British threads to 404 while anti-America threads are deleted near instantly.
Every
Single
Time

>>7764886
Why do you keep talking about the cult of multi and in a positive sense?

>>7765219
This

And the rest of this thread is full of people pretending to be British or have lied and said they have visited Britain and spout /pol/ type memes.

Mad stuff.

>>7765246
>people pretending to be British
Its the little details that let them slip up.

>>7759910
>Vermont
Worm Mountain?
Literal translation, that's fucking sad.

Britain invented Wimpy's Food Bar

Wimpy's invented Bender in a Bun

I have never met anyone who had a Bender in a Bun and didn't like it.

>>7765264

green mountain you bellend.

>>7765277
Such an underrated franchise.

>>7765281
Nothing beats an international grill if you have something significant to celebrate

>>7765288
Not been to Wimpys in about 10 years since there isn't one near me and I don't really want to travel for fast food. Once thing that stood out growing up in my small town was that the food came on plates with metal cutlery unlike its only competition at the time McDonalds who served it on cardboard and paper.

I think British insults sound humorous.

>inb4 wankery gobnoshing

>>7764967
>He couldn't even google a few meals to throw out for his lie

Damn you're pathetic.

>>7764994
What is Italian-Brazilian hybrid food like?

>>7765246
It's more /int/ means but these all really pre-date 4chan, they are stupid all the same.

I think the mods on this bard have a personal issue with Britain, this is an issue I have noticed for several years at this point. A very clear anti-British slant in how the board gets moderated.

If I were to go and make a fuck America thread right now it would be removed at lightning speed and yet this thread has gone on for what, days? Absolutely atrocious janitorial work.

>>7765251
I make a game out of spotting them. I ignore the shitpost itself and just go straight for the little details.

>>7765370

brits are to this board as sony fans are to /v/.

>>7765411
So you mean they're the lifeblood of the board? I disagree. That's more true of the Americans.

>>7765411
If we are so terrible, then fuck off. Simply leave our threads and ignore them in the future, but we both know you are too obsessed with us for that to ever happen.

>>7757615
>travel to any European country

I take that challenge.

I went to France and had croque monsieur.

And? Well it tasted like processed cheese toasty. Which is basically what it is.

>>7765440

i'm british. also a sony fan. chill out fella.

All good input from the last few posts, but seriously lads, can we return to this being a Wimpy as intended?

>>7765509
It was never a Wimpy thread, it started out bashing but feel free to start a new thread and see how that goes.

>>7765513
Pretty sure this started as a "Best of British" food thread m8

Best Of British and Wimpy is interchangeable. Especially on food quality, range and service.

>>7765522
>Pretty sure this started as a "Best of British" food thread m8

So last year I did a bit of traveling. I admit upfront, american food was a bit disappointing. It was highly procesed, but mostly edible.

British food was a fucking disaster. Nothing in stores taste fresh. Most traditional foods like fish n chips, english brekfast, pastries etc. was terribly bland. Same deal with restaurants. Nobody seasons anything. I honestly cook better when I get back home 4am drunk.

Literally copy pasted from the OP. I am being trolled aren't I?

>>7765460
Kill yourself.

>>7757848
>>7757813

Maybe a little salty as well.

If you're going to Europe go to England first so that you can't be disappointed by the food as extensively. I visited family in Italy (best food I've ever eaten in my life, I'm Australian) and then went to stay with some friends in England.

English food is pretty horrible, why do they give you chips with literally everything except curry?

>>7761257
>for eating instead of London

Instead of one of the largest multicultural cities with perhaps the greatest variety and choice of cultural dishes on offer by authentic cooks from the places of said foods origin.

Your loss.

>>7765560

>why do they give you chips with literally everything

because you're in a pub or fucking bernie inn or something, christ.

also

> except curry

hahaha i got bad news for you son

>>7765560
>why do they give you chips with literally everything except curry?
Not chips but we certainly do go over the top with spuds, I maybe eat potatoes one a week at most now I got so sick of eating them. I was raised in Northern Ireland though so maybe my lot over did it.

>>7765571
>potatoes one a week
>Once

A single spud is not good.

>>7765571
Spud for the spud god.

>>7761257
Italia? Vanguard food? Rescuing local products? Upbeat weather?

Someone who has to Google translate their posts into English probably isn't the best judge of London's dining scene.

England isn't so bad if you're from America but if you compare it to Spain/France/Italy then you're going to have a bad time. England isn't objectively bad they're just severely overshadowed by Southern European cuisine who in general take eating and gastronomy a lot more seriously.

>>7765658
You people talk with such authority when you know so little.

>>7757615
>not liking steak and mash with gravy and peas
What a fucking pleb.

>travel to any European country
Bitch I'm mediterranean and British food is far superior to "muh olives" and "muh completely fucking burnt meat on a stick".

>mfw Americans don't season their fish & chips like we do and call it "bland" as a result

>mfw Americans think pastry-based food is "traditional English food" and not just "traditional English peasant food"

>mfw Americans probably think the Queen eats that shit

>mfw Americans don't realise most "indian" curry dishes were developed in Britain for British tastes

>mfw Americans eat yellow plastic instead of cheese

>mfw Americans go to Wetherspoons pubs expecting good quality food

Pick up a restaurant guide the next time you go to the UK retards.

>>7764935

>I thought you could be self-depreciating.

We do the self-deprecating thing about true things, not memes.

>>7767326
I'm American.

Never heard anyone say fish and chips are bland. We have plenty of sauces for them too.

Americans like peasant food, nobody cares if it is or not.

Americans don't think about your Queen.

Most Americans don't even know how popular Indian food is there.

That cheese sucks for the most part, I'll agree. A small amount can be good if it's melted onto a hot sandwich sometimes.

People come to America expecting our chain food to be amazing too, that's not unique.

>mfw UK posters use American culture reaction images

>>7767344

>Never heard anyone say fish and chips are bland. We have plenty of sauces for them too.

Did you not read this thread?

>Americans like peasant food, nobody cares if it is or not.

Clearly not, again- read this thread.

>Americans don't think about your Queen.

That's why the area around Buckingham Palace is full of American tourists yeah?

>Most Americans don't even know how popular Indian food is there.

Yes, most Americans are uncultured loudmouths by any international standard, I agree.

>That cheese sucks for the most part, I'll agree. A small amount can be good if it's melted onto a hot sandwich sometimes.

No disagreement RE: hot sandwiches/burgers/hotdogs, but don't put it in other dishes for gods sake

>People come to America expecting our chain food to be amazing too, that's not unique.

What I mean is that Americans walk into Wetherspoons without realising its a chain restaurant. Every Wetherspoons pub has a unique name and unless tourists are familiar with the chain and its branding, they inevitably think they're in a "quaint English pub" instead of a disgusting chain pub and get butthurt about it not being what they imagined.

>mfw UK posters use American culture reaction images

mfw

>>7767374
I'm not going to read 180+ posts to respond to one. I see OP saying it's bland though, but that's most likely a problem with him buying cheap food and expecting it to be good.

The only posts with the word peasant are ours. <3

I don't think they specifically go the palace for your queen. It's a landmark.

It's not being uncultured, but when people think of American food they don't instantly jump to Tex-Mex.

It's just them building up this fantasy land in their heads for the most part, when we're not really that different.

This fucking thread...

A few butthurt Britbongs arguing like their life depends on it with false flagging summerfags

I wish I was a mod so I could perma ban every single one of you.

>>7767326
The thing about Americans is, their food is so riddled with salt and HFCS as bulking agents, that it really has an impact on their tastebuds. Go to America and the bread is like cake. Remember when Jamie Oliver went to America and cooked and every time the people eating it said it was bland and then threw loads of salt on it only for him to stand there shocked?

It's like the Romans and how their tastebuds were utterly warped due to the lead in their water pipes so they too said everything was bland, which is why they drowned everything in garum.

Go to any international restaurant review site right now and look at the negative reviews, they are always Americans and they always say the food is bland, no matter the country and no matter the cuisine the complaints are always the same.

Americans have such a skewed baseline for taste that they should be banned from commenting about food.

>>7767344
You can't really lay claim to reaction images because they come from an American film because then you get into a silly tit-for-tat argument that you would utterly lose.
>mfw using the World Wide Web that is British
>mfw using the computer that is British
>mfw using English
>mfw using the western world which is British

etc..etc..

>>7767418
It's kind of cute how you Americans invent these realities where you are poor and oppressed while you are the biggest shitposters and ruin every thread without fail, you're like feminists in that regard.

>>7767426
I'm not American and >>7767418 was my first post in this thread. I gave up on /ck/ a long time ago as far as contributing goes and mostly lurk since the board managed to become even more shit than it already was.

This thread made me cringe so hard that I actually posted, congrats on that buddy.

>>7767440
>I'm not American
>buddy

How many times do I have to tell you yanks that the devil is in the detail?

>>7767444
>Being so insecure you project this much
I'm French if you want to know, would you prefer that I'd call you un putain d'attardé avec tes dents jaunes qui s'est marié à 17 ans et a eu 2 enfants avant d'avoir 20 ans comme le bon sujet de la couronne de merde que tu es? :^)

>>7767448
>would you prefer that I'd call you un putain d'attardé avec tes dents jaunes qui s'est marié à 17 ans et a eu 2 enfants avant d'avoir 20 ans comme le bon sujet de la couronne de merde que tu es?


Yes, yes I would prefer that, you snail munching twat.

>>7764244
>Now what part of what I wrote was self hating?

The part where you troted out a boring, tired, inaccurate stereotype; just as every other self-hating British person does. Then it was the part afterwards where you're trying to defend being a self hating Britjsh person by claiming "it's just true!" and cherry picking your examples to "prove" that French cooking is "just better".

>>7764273
>No-one in the UK calls themselves a Briton

Says the American calling himself a "Brit".

>>7764967
>Come to any restaurant in Puglia, and compare it to London cuisine.

So you're comparing a decent restaurant in your home town to...fish & chips from your mates local chippy?

Fuck me you're stupid m8

>>7765560
>An Australian complaining about British food

Did they not pour enough gravy & ketchup over the cheap "meat" pie for you, Bruce?

>>7767326
>>7767420
This. Whenever an American says that non-American food is "bland" you should feel pity for them: what they mean is "It didn't have 180% of my RDA of Salt in it" and their tastebuds are so utterly fucked they can't actually taste anything, the poor bastards.

>>7767453
My pleasure, Admiral Lafayette sends his regards.

Also /food & cooking/ related, escargots are not only French but have been a part of many different European cuisines, including the Bong one.

Call me a baguette rather than a snail, it works better!

>>7767578
So you want me to talk dirty to you? That's kind of hot.

How buttery is your baguette? If you know what I mean.

>>7759878

>thinks my our pastries are shit

I can get 3 pecan danishes for 99p at Morrissons homo

>>7767551
Yeah this does make sense with all of the additives and chemicals their food is full of.

it's weird to think though that modern humans would have this issue.

>>7757752
that's just so they can rack up on soft drink sales

>>7759878
>You're about the only non-Scandinavian country that has made seafood completely bland

I'm tempted to crawl through your monitor and kick your weak anglo teeth in ya fuck

>>7767774
Why would you think he is Anglo when he stated he isn't, is insulting Anglos and his writing is that of an outsider? You stupid Swedecuck.

>>7767774

Why would you put inedible greens on top of your food? Is this a meme?

>>7767814
>inedible
>In Anglo-Saxon England, as prescribed in Leechdoms, Wortcunning, and Starcraft of Early England (also called Læceboc, many of whose recipes were borrowed from Greek medicinal texts), dill was used in many traditional medicines, including those against jaundice, headache, boils, lack of appetite, stomach problems, nausea, liver problems, and many other ills.

>>7767819
He is probably American, green veggies scare and confuse them.

>>7767814
>DOESNT CHEW RAW DILL FOR EVERY MEAL

b-but it's so tasty

>>7767774
But the best smoked salmon is from Scotland. Get tae fuck.

>>7767842
It came from the romans who built the wall to keep you fucks out of Europe

posting more bland scandi seafood

>>7767853
>Smoked salmon came from the Romans

You are one stupid fuck.

>>7767869
>Additionally, smoked salmon was also a common dish in Greek and Roman culture throughout history, commonly being eaten at large gatherings and celebrations.

>>7767891
He's saying that the Romans weren't the first to do it

>>7767891

That just says they had it. Not that they invented it.

>>7757615
Sorry that we don't make traditional 'go 'za

>>7767904
Yeah youre right, it was the native americans

>>7767909
>>7767904
Not just the Native Americans, it's just an extremely old technique that communities that thrived near rivers and oceans developed
Particularly Salmon infested rivers and oceans
There's evidence that it goes back over 10,000 years in certain parts of Europe

>>7762138
how can you dislike any of those foods lmao

>>7767420

>Remember when Jamie Oliver went to America

No, I will never forgive him for the Turkey Twizzler thing

>>7768498
They really were just sausages made out of turkey, which in and of itself is a perfectly fine concept.

I think the shape of them is why they got such a bad reputation, which really is stupid.

>>7760095
>>7763548

that's fucking Grimes you plebtastic morons

>>7768932

his problem with them was the low lean meat content and preservatives and shit in them. not that they were twizzly.

>>7768932
>They really were just sausages made out of turkey

Only in the vaguest of definitions would one call that a "sausage". It was made from very poor quality meat, had off-the-charts levels of fat and salt.

>>which in and of itself is a perfectly fine concept.
Sure, if you are taking good turkey meat, and reasonable proportions of fat and salt--both of which are required to make sausages, but nowhere near the concentrations found in the twizzler.

>>7767814
>inedible greens
is this another "american desperate to shit on British food accidentally reveals his power level" post?

>>7760095
don't talk shit about Grimes you ignoramus

>>7761540
>omitting Kayal

lmao bet you went to Trent

Kek, how many of you Brits have actually traveled in Europe? And no I don't mean a lads trip to the Spanish coast or a quick journey to Calais...

>>7770519
American, or just retarded?

>>7770523
French. Is accusing people of being foreign the only defense you have?

Try naming some tasty English dishes that aren't fish n'chips/a boring pie/roast dinner.
>inb4 sausage rolls (woooww)

Also whilst I love strong cheddar (marks and Spencer Cornish cave aged cheddar is pretty nice) you have maybe four other cheeses and that's it. British cuisine is pretty unexciting I'm afraid.

>>7770531
>French

Then why would you be so retarded as to pretend that you've never met a British person outside of Britain, or that you truly believe that the British don't travel to other European countries? Because nobody could honestly be that stupid.

>>7770531
>you have maybe four other cheeses and that's it

Or maybe you are that stupid?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_cheeses

It's not like you can even claim ignorance, because the French fucking love British cheese:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/11573124/How-British-cheese-took-over-the-world-even-the-French-love-it.html

There's certainly one person here who's living in a bubble, but it isn't the Britons.

>>7770547
Uh huh. Let's be realistic. In nearly all supermarkets you can buy (amongst a million European cheeses) have cheddar, red leicster , Wensleydale, stilton and that's pretty much it. You have to go to some pretty specialist places to get any of those cheeses you linked. Meanwhile I just go to a Carrefour and there's a huge shelf of French cheeses and some generic English cheddar. I don't believe that article at all. Total bullshit. Basically French people like cheddar (good for sauces) and that's it. If you go to Paris (where I live) it's really hard to get anything else in supermarkets. Fromageries never sell English cheese. You really have to go to a specialist English shop which I haven't ever really seen.

>>7770546
Holy lol I was talking about the buttblasted Brits in this thread. I can't believe any of you have really traveled because you seriously think that native British cuisine or cooking traditions can hold a candle to France for example

Also neither of you have managed to actually name any traditional British cuisine apart from what I mentioned.

:^)

>>7770587
Uh just noticed you are both the same person. Still I think my point still stands. For practical purposes there are definitely not 700 cheeses in the UK. Please tell me that you can go to tesco and buy even the smallest fraction of those. I lived in England when I was studying, there's no way.

>if you don't think my shitfood is the best thing ever you've literally never set foot here
LMAO @ this thread
Did the WIDF move to England?

>>7770587
>dumb frog poster
:^)

>>7770587
>Let's be realistic. In nearly all supermarkets you can buy (amongst a million European cheeses) have cheddar, red leicster , Wensleydale, stilton and that's pretty much it.

But that's wrong. Hell it isn't even accurate for my local Lidl or Aldi, let alone a large supermarket. So it isn't realistic.

>I don't believe that article at all.
>Fromageries never sell English cheese.

>None of this is news to cheese monger Emmanuel Carbonne, who works at Fromagerie Beaufils in Paris. The business has been selling British cheese from Neal's Yard for three years, including Montgomery's cheddar, Colston Bassett Stilton, Stinking Bishop and Sparkenhoe Red Leicester, and has seen sales soar.

>For practical purposes there are definitely not 700 cheeses in the UK

Well okay, if we just get to make up our own realities, there are really only two cheeses from France: Brie and Camembert.

>>7770605
/Int/ taught me that Brits are only good for shit posting.

Like your culinary culture your arguments have no substance. :)

>>7770613
>Buttblasted Frenchman falls back to lazy stereotypes as soon as realises he has no real argument.

What a shocker. Nobody saw that coming. Here is your (You)

>>7770610.

Come on. Tell me what other cheeses you get in your local supermarket.

http://m.tesco.com/h5/groceries/r/www.tesco.com/groceries/product/browse/default.aspx?N=4294793354&Ne=4294793660

Oh I forgot double Gloucester. There's like six cheeses here. Wow great diversity. Now tell me if I look at asda sainsburys or Morrison's I won't find a similar poor selection of cheeses.

I lived in England and unless a lot has changed in the past two years you simply do not get a big variety of English cheeses at the counter.

Now visit Paris and tell me you can buy any English cheeses. Or go on a website of any of the French supermarkets (carrefour, mono Prix, franprix) and say the same thing.

Carrefour is basically like tesco or any of your big supermarkets.

Now let's see how crazy about English cheese we really are.
http://courses.carrefour.fr/drive/tous-les-rayons/cremerie/fromages/PID0/153791
>Just generic cheddar
>Large selection of French cheeses

Wow it's fucking nothing! One specialist formagerie doesn't mean shit. As I said, French people sometimes have cheddar and that's literally it.

You got rekt. Are you going to call me a dumb frog now?

>>7770639
>Tell me what other cheeses you get in your local supermarket.

Double Gloucester, White Stilton, Caerphilly, Cheshire and Somerset Brie. Off the top of my head. From my local Asda.

>Tesco, Asda, Morrisons

Funnily enough yeah, if you pick the low end supermarkets, they tend to have a low end selection of cheese. What a revelation!

Do you know, I bet if I go into an Aldi in France, they don't have a selection of 200 cheeses available? Mon dieu!

>I lived in England and unless a lot has changed in the past two years you simply do not get a big variety of English cheeses at the counter.

The only thing that changed is that you went to shitty supermarkets; probably small ones in the middle of a large city, which funnily enough no, don't tend to have a large selection of anything.

>Now visit Paris and tell me you can buy any English cheeses.

>>None of this is news to cheese monger Emmanuel Carbonne, who works at Fromagerie Beaufils in Paris. The business has been selling British cheese from Neal's Yard for three years, including Montgomery's cheddar, Colston Bassett Stilton, Stinking Bishop and Sparkenhoe Red Leicester, and has seen sales soar.

>Wow it's fucking nothing!

What is your fascination with supermarkets? Funnily enough I can't buy very many French cheeses in Asda, so I guess by your argument French cheese is shit and nobody likes it? Okay.

>>7770681
Ok where do you live where you can get buy these regional cheeses? I'm really interested to know.

Lol I chose low end because you said how lidl and aldi and "a large supermarket" (which i think it's fair to assume somewhere like tesco) have a wide a range of English cheese. and now you're telling me not to look at low end supermarkets? Get your argument straight m8.

Even high end supermarkets like waitrose basically have the same small selection of regional cheeses. Now compare to carrefour a low end supermarket in France that has huge diversity.

https://m.waitrose.com/worklight/apps/services/www/Waitrose_Real/mobilewebapp/default/Waitrose_Real.html?l=categoryBrowse&browse=Groceries/Fresh_and_Chilled/Cheese#waitrose_views_LeftSidebarMenu_0,waitrose/views/SearchCategoryView_0,waitrose/widgets/SwapView_0,LoginModalView,LoginView,dojox_mobile_SwapView_0,GroceriesBrowseView,waitrose/views/TaxonomyCategoryView_3

I chose supermarkets because the claims that the French are going crazy for English cheese or that England has a huge diversity of cheeses (700 lol) kinda relies on those cheeses being actually available to buy. So far all I have seen is a single fromagerie quoted by franco-phobic 'telegraph' and your claims which are entirely un backed up by links or even names of shops or anything! It's no good saying that England has 700 cheeses when nearly everywhere you go will have the same small selection of cheeses. I lived in York and all the local supermarkets (not small express/local chains) had very little. Meanwhile I go to a low end supermarket in France band I am overwhelmed with choice.

>>7770731
>Ok where do you live where you can get buy these regional cheeses? I'm really interested to know.

The supermarket in question is Asda Longwell Green, Craven Way, Bristol BS30 7DY. Feel free to pop by if you're in the area.

>you said how lidl and aldi and "a large supermarket"

No. I said

>Hell it isn't even accurate for my local Lidl or Aldi, let alone a large supermarket.

I'll forgive you as English is not your 1st language and you may not have grasped the idiom. "Lidl and Aldi" are the 1st subject of that sentence, "a large supermarket" is the 2nd subject.

Online supermarket shopping pages do not list all of the locally available produce. You have to go and actually *look* to see what is available.

>I chose supermarkets because the claims that the French are going crazy for English cheese or that England has a huge diversity of cheeses (700 lol) kinda relies on those cheeses being actually available to buy.

Like I said, I can't buy very many French cheeses in my local Asda (when you pop in you can check it out; Brie, Camembert and maybe some Roquefort if you're lucky). So buy your logic I can't buy French cheese in the UK, so it must not exist.

>>7770738
Now I can say I have visited England (not Bristol desu) and I have been in tesco, waitrose, sainsburys, Morrison's, marks and Spencer and Sommerfeld. Have you been to a supermarket in France? I feel like if you had you would know that you were wrong on nearly every

So I'll come to your asda and see all the English cheeses that you have. (It doesn't surprise me to know that asda has barely any French cheeses. I remember it being a rubbish supermarket. However I know that sainsburys and tesco have loads more and they are both very common supermarkets) and I will challenge you to go to any French supermarket and see what's there.

Not only will you be overwhelmed by the sheer amount of different French regional cheeses (far more than the English selection you would have in your supermarkets) but you would be a bit embarrassed to find that there is only one generic cheddar on sale. Even in your asda you get more French cheeses than that.

>>7770773
>Have you been to a supermarket in France? I feel like if you had you would know that you were wrong on nearly every

Yes. There is a wide selection of cheese in supermarkets in France.

However unlike you I'm not blind and/or trolling, so I can say that there is also a wide selection of cheese in supermarkets in the UK.

>you would be a bit embarrassed to find that there is only one generic cheddar on sale

Why would I be embarrassed by that? Are you embarrassed by the fact that I can buy more Italian and Dutch cheeses in my local supermarket than I can French ones?

>>7770781
Ok The original two points were that French people love English cheese and you can buy lots of different types of cheese in England. Now in my experience if living in both countries and by quickly looking at some supermarket webpages I can see that both of these claims are false. In most supermarkets in the UK (I haven't been to your asda) you can buy a maximum of like ten types of English cheese, That's not a lot.

Now you claim differently but provide no evidence except to say that your asda is different. I on the other hand have actually provided links to some standard and widespread supermarkets in France and England which show that you get only a small number of English cheeses in England (again, ten is not a lot) and like one or two in France. I think they overall what I have said and shown is more convincing than your argument which basically amounts to 'you don't know what you're talking about' and 'not all the food is on the website'. Both of these statements are basically denial. Show me some proof that what you said is true.

Of course i don't think this will ever end because you can't accept that you simply can't buy a wide range of cheeses in England. And no, 10 cheeses is not a wide selection.

>>7770781
I would like to know what you think constitutes a 'wide selection'. If there are 700 cheeses in England I assume it consists of more than just the cheeses you named off the top of your head.

If you want to know what a wide selection means here I can send you a photo of a cheese isle in my equivalent of your sainsburys local.

>>7770817
>provide no evidence

Your evidence is "I looked at a web page". Like I said; try going and looking. I can't physically make you go look, now, can I?

The fact is *I live in the UK* and I'm telling you you're wrong. No amount of protestation is going to make you more of an authority on this.

>you can't accept that you simply can't buy a wide range of cheeses in England

Why would I accept something that's patently false?

By the way you still haven't addressed my counter-claim: I can only buy two types of French cheese in most supermarkets. Therefore I claim, using your very own logic, that France only produces two types of cheese. Now prove me wrong.

Oh wait, you can't without turning your entire argument on its head, can you?

Possibly that's because your entire argument is total bollocks.

>>7770837
You could read the thread and read up. Start with the link I've already posted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_cheeses

>>7770837
Sorry for the large images, I'm shopping and I don't feel like editing image sizes for the sake of a 4 chan argument.

You've told me about one supermarket (with no proof, at least i provided some kind) that only has a few cheeses. How am I supposed to argue against that?

And why should I have to argue against that? The fact that there are plenty of very common English supermarkets that have a wider selection of French cheeses than that is surely proof enough? We know that French cheeses exist in England because you can buy lots in tesco. It's a very common supermarket. Now I'm not sure all these English cheeses exist (700!), even in England since all you have said is that you know some supermarkets which have lots.

Now the original points were that English cheese is widespread in France and that lots of English cheeses are available in supermarkets. Now to the best of my ability I have tried to counter those claims (using very big and common supermarkets) and you have just told me I am wrong and that you have experienced differently.

I'm sorry but what you think constitutes an argument isn't very convincing.

>>7770890
>>7770840
Sorry I should be clear. The original claim was that you have lots of English cheese. I won't refute that. I'll refute the fact that you can buy all these cheeses at all. Because what's the point of having a great diversity if you can't go to the shops and buy them?

Anyway please tell me what you think qualifies as a wide selection. Give me a number so next time I go to England I can look and see in a shop.

>>7770893
>How am I supposed to argue against that?

What "evidence" would make you happy? Airfare and a personal invite?

All you keep doing is talking about Tesco because...well I don't know. You have a strange fascination with it.

In fact you have a strange fascination with supermarkets in general, for a Frenchman. Nobody said you can get every single British cheese in every single supermarket; and you can't get every single French cheese in French supermarkets either, so did you have a point?

>Now the original points were that English cheese is widespread in France and that lots of English cheeses are available in supermarkets.

That wasn't the point. Nobody mentioned supermarkets until you got here with your supermarche fetish. Besides which you've already admitted that you _can_ get British cheeses in your French supermarket, so again...did you have a point?

This just yet another "Butthurt Frenchman who can't admit they're not the center of the cheese world". It's so stereotypical I can imagine you wearing a stripy jumper with a string of garlic around your neck, sat at your computer. Could you pack it in?

>>7770914
I mentioned supermarkets because where else do you buy cheese in England?

Nearly all the food shopping you do in your country is in supermarkets. I chose tesco because it's the biggest supermarket chain and I didn't feel like going through all the websites to make a point that to anyone who wasn't a defensive buttblasted Englishman would be obvious.

Its compete bullshit that you can get loads of cheeses in England. Sorry.

But hey, you have lots of nice beer ;)

>>7770943
>I mentioned supermarkets because where else do you buy cheese in England?

...a Cheese mongers? Farm shops? Farmers markets? Direct from the producer via. the internet?

>Nearly all the food shopping you do in your country is in supermarkets.

No but please, tell me more about the country I live in. I guess because you've literally posted a picture of your local supermarket I can just assume all the shopping you do is in a supermarche? Cool.

You chose Tesco because you're a lazy Frenchman who thinks he knows more about Britain than you actually do, and have an insecurity about French cheese that compels to defend its "status" at all costs; even if you have to lie and pretend to be stupid to do it. That's pretty sad, mon ami.

>>7770907

>Because what's the point of having a great diversity if you can't go to the shops and buy them?

are you kidding me

we have cheese shops

you go to those

obviously our cheese culture is not as well represented in mainstream supermarkets; it still exists and is robust. this strikes me as a no true scotsman - 'sure you have a lot of cheese, but you don't REALLY have a lot of cheese'. go to a specialist cheese shop, especially in a heavy cheese producing region, and you will find a lot of british cheese available to buy.

>>7757615
>That
>British food

Where the fuck did you go? A trailer on the side of the road in Kent?

>>7770959
>>7770961
I said most people shop in supermarkets. This is definitely true. hell it's true in France as well. Most people can only buy a few English types of cheese. Unless you go one of the more obscure routes most people will only ever think about our realistically be able to buy like ten types of English cheese at the most. Basically English cheese culture amounts to lots of Cheddars with different names, some brie, Wensleydale, Stilton, red Leicester, double Gloucester and that's pretty much IT. I bet those cheese shops have mostly that.

>>7770994

>Most people can only buy a few English types of cheese.

unless they are into cheese and go to a different shop you bellend. no one is being denied their british cheese.

>>7770994
Meanwhile, here you don't even have to go to the market (which is every Sunday and Wednesday) to be exposed to 30 or so different types of French regional cheese. You're right to say that cheese is not well represented in supermarkets and I'm glad you agree with me but even your markets and cheese shops, which aren't very common (not by French standards) won't have that many cheese types.

I appreciate that you both live in your country but I lived there for three years. Cheese culture doesn't compare.

>>7770989
The original pic was actually taken in Australia.

>>7771006

i'm acknowledging that the cheese culture is less visible but i'm saying that's what's misleading you into thinking it doesn't exist.

you always get some fuckstain thinking he's more well travelled than everyone else and mouthing off about stuff he hasn't actually much experience with.

>>7770994
>Basically English cheese culture amounts to lots of Cheddars with different names, some brie, Wensleydale, Stilton, red Leicester, double Gloucester

So your argument is "Those are literally the only British cheeses I can think of right now so it must be true"?

Sure okay. The only French cheeses I can think of right now are Brie, Camembert, Roquefort and Roule.

Well damn, I can only name 4. French cheese culture must be shit.

>and that's pretty much IT.
>I bet those cheese shops have mostly that.

It isn't. You're butthurt and guesses aren't an argument.

>>7770994
>he thinks farmers markets are obscure

This is a fucking troll thread. You can get any kind of food you want in britain. Our supermarkets are better stocked than most in europe. You obviously didn't try a good curry either.

>>7771010
Well I never said it didn't exist. You're basically agreeing with me.

But it's tiny. Especially from my frame of reference. This is the point.

>>7771011
Hardly guesses. That's what I saw in your country. If you had spent any time in France you would know we have lots more cheeses than what you sarcastically said.

Now tell me what English cheese you had last. I'm sure it's one of those that I listed. Be honest.

>>7771029
Or hell, tell me the last time you ate an English cheese that I didn't list!

I'm eating tomme de brebis right now. One of the many types of cheese that are readily available :)

>>7771029
I tried Lincolnshire poacher and Dambuster.

>>7771033

I'll give you the poacher, are you done kind of cheese nerd? Dambuster is just another cheddar.

>>7771032
>tell me the last time you ate an English cheese that I didn't list!

I have Cheshire in my fridge right now.

>I'm eating tomme de brebis right now.

How nice for you. I couldn't name that cheese in >>7771011 so I refuse to believe that you can buy it. I think that's how your argument goes?

>>7771033
Laverstock Mozzarella is pretty dam good as well.

>>7771040
Pbbt, you're just a cheese nerd. Most people in England have just cathedral city in their fridge.

>>7771048
I see we've reached the full no-true-Scotsman stage.

>>7771033
Oh, and Hereford Hop, I really likes that one.

>>7771051
It's true though.

>>7771054
Shhh, no tears now. Just look at this supermarket pre-packaged cheese that only a "cheese snob" would buy, while you eat your definitely not-snobby-at-all-because-you're-French cheese.

Try not to cry on it too much, the salt tears will affect the flavour.

>>7771068
Gross. It probably tastes like cheddar like 80% of your boring cheeses.

Is it pleb of me to say my favourite English cheese is the Cornish quartz cheddar that waitrose sells?

>>7771098
Thanks to the butthurt frog this is now a cheese thread I guess.

>>7771085
Try not to be so obvious about your buttpain there John Paul.

>>7771098
No, liking cheddar is understandable. It is the everymans cheese, versatile to the point of ludicrousness.

There is a reason it is the second most bought cheese in the world/

>>7761540
man I used to live in Nottingham, near West Brigford, really miss how many great places there were in Nottingham now

>>7770994
>I bet
there is no wagering at 4chan, Grandpa

>>7757806
>im my country we have shitty restaurants that are intentionally shitty to rip off you fat Americans.

No you don't Abdul.

>>7767857
you need eat that with some good ass bread and some fucking dope nigga mustard

>>7770531
>being this uninformed and this self-assured

wew

>>7757615
I know what you mean. I went to a London restaurant and asked for a ham sandwich, and then the fucking nutter started screaming about snackbars and ran after me with a sword. I tried telling him that he got the order wrong, that I wanted a ham and cheese and not a snackbar, but the crazy fucker wouldn't listen and ran me out of the store.
I think he was Italian, so this might be a little unfair to use his restaurant as a comparison for all of London's.

>>7767326
Nothin wrong with spoons you twat

>>7757681
My girl

Well bugger me in me bloomers, this thread is still alive?

>>7770531
You went too overboard in covering up the little mistakes that reveal yourself as an American.

>>7770547
Its funny because Britain has more cheeses than France.

>>7770587
Like I said, you went too far in trying to not sound American that you made sure that you didn't talk like a Frenchman. You fucked up, yank.

>>7757615
If you want good British food you need to go to a good restaurant