/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>go to the store
>find the things you want
>put them in your cart
>go to the automatic register if you're really that afraid that some high schooler making minimum wage is going to judge you, even though he is going to see literally hundreds of people that day and isn't paid enough to give a shit about you

Super simple stuff.

you make a shopping list before going.

You walk into the supermarket.

You put everything you need into your basket.

You pay for it at the checkout.

You take it home.

Which step are you failing at?

>>7542107
I would imagine the whole "interacting with other human beings" part.

>>7542087
I deal with some shitty anxiety too, op. I hate grocery stores without self checkouts. I can shop somewhere without a self checkout once but ill never go back. Thats basically what keeps me regular.

OP, you're not autistic.

as for anxiety, you're literally fine. totally. fine. nobody is paying attention to you, and if they are, you're nothing more than a tiny, insignificant passing thought.

try going shopping and reminding yourself that you're totally fine. then feel like a badass for being stronger than the anxiety.

>>7542114
Most grocery stores, even in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, have automatic registers.

source: from bumfuck nowhere

>>7542087
>go shopping half an hour before store closes
>literally the last person shopping
>register person doesn't even give a fuck just wants to get home soon
>even if she gives you a judging look, remember that she's basically a part of the inventory

relax OP. everything will be fine

>>7542107
>you make a shopping list before going.

this is the key.

OP isn't explaining this because he also fails at making threads in addition to shopping, but the reason that going grocery shopping is hard for autists is not just the cashier interaction. The thousands of brightly-colored products crammed into a small space and the lack of organization (it's supposed to feel 'intuitive' but if you are highly logical-based it does not) of all of those things is like a scream in your mind the entire time you're in there. It's entirely possible to have a panic attack because of over-stimulation in a grocery store.

Just make a list. look up the products online first on any basic grocery store website if your specific one doesn't have a site, or right 'store brand' if you can't find/don't want a specific brand.

get in, find the stuff, leave. If you can't find something, look in two places, then say fuck it.

>>7542087
>go early in the morning or late at night
>make a list on paper (not on your phone, paper is easier to keep out and look at)
>group the items on your list based on where in the store they are
>efficiently go through the store and pick up everything on your list
>if you can't find something, panic
>if you need something that requires you to ask for help like something from the butcher or seafood, panic
>if there is no self checkout, look for old or foreign looking cashiers (old cashiers might be slower, but they don't chit chat much)
>if none of the cashiers look old or foreign, you might have to talk to someone at checkout, so panic

As someone with pretty bad social anxiety I just make sure I'm not in there long. I know exactly what I need and exactly where things are at.

I've learned the fastest sequence of grabbing my items; I can buy a week's worth of groceries in 15 minutes or so.

The worst struggle is having to go down an aisle with multiple people in it, but I'll sometimes come back to it when it's clear.

>>7542087
shop in the middle of the night at a 24 hour place or really early in the morning when a store opens

>>7542138
>remember that she's basically a part of the inventory

not to sound like an sjw, but god damn you have superiority issues.

>>7542187

yes, by all means, inconvenience yourself to avoid your problems and never grow as a person.

>>7542188

meh nah sometimes it helps to kind of "de-humanize" people to get comfortable interacting with them. doesn't mean you have to treat them like an object.

>>7542200
I thought this used to work.

I world dehuminize myself and go shopping high on DXM and Xanax it's harder to look normal on those. I think people could tell I was on drugs, plus I had to call a cab when I used to do that so I didnt drive.

It's too expensive to do but I thought it worked until people I think started to notice I was on something

>>7542118
>this
so what if you don't have a system and shop like others

>>7542200
dehumanizing two types of people like that, women and public servants, seems like a good way to not work on your own issues and instead harbor a hatred of other people. but if you say so.

>>7542225
>dehuminize
Dehumanize

>>7542225

um... i think you missed my point.

>>7542087
Just make believe all the people in the super market are programmed robots with no emotion. I don't know, don't they have pills for you peoples? Take your meds and go.

>>7542228

well, i don't hate people. i also tend to hold myself in higher regard than most. but i treat everybody with respect anyway.

what i mean is that you kinda have to see them as the ways that they operate. analyze them and reconfigure yourself accordingly. it becomes natural over time, as long as you throw yourself into social situations often.

also, think more about how YOU express something, rather than how others perceive you. socialize from in -> out, if this makes sense.

Fearlessly.

If someone's standing in my way I will pick an out-of-the-way spot several metres from the item I want and just stand and wait until the offender walks away.

During normal relocation I powerwalk through the store relying on my momentum to deter people from obstructing my path.

Okay, OP, do a little exercise.

Imagine you work at that grocery store. You're tired, your feet hurt, you're waiting to go home. You don't make much money. You hate your boss and pretty much every other employee there. You have a huge test in school tomorrow.

Would you really give a shit about some random guy?

>>7542261
Shit yes
Relentlessly judging all shoppers is the only thing that gets me through my day

Price match everything at the express isle, if you don't exceed the item limit. Address all complaints by demanding immediate payment of price difference from all plaintiffs. You can sometimes turn a profit.

>>7542087
Make a meal plan.
Make a shopping list, if you can. (keep it short).
Be sure to have an alternative brand, and meal listed for each entry on the lists just in case what you planned on getting is not available.

use recipes that share common ingredients, so you will not have to buy as much

Go early in the morning (e.g. be at Safeways door as soon as they open, like at 5AM)

If you feel like your going to melt down just checkout or leave instead of trying to continue the shopping trip and throwing random shit in the cart, you'll spend too much money and or end up with a bunch of ingredients you can't make anything with if that happens.

24 hour shopping places and self checkout are nice also, however going self checkout when the machine ends up giving you an error and you have to have someone come over to fix it might be worse than going through a regular checkout sometimes.

Careful, not all self checkouts are open at the opening and closing hours of the store.

If you get in front of your cart before it's your turn to go through the checkout line it can keep people from standing right behind you.

Use a full size cart, again this is to keep people away from you, you can always stand on the opposite side.

having something to pretend to be distracted with can be good, like a shopping list, or you can always pretend to be reading the nutrition facts.

If you have to go into an aisle with multiple people it might be safer to leave the cart in a safe place outside the aisle (somewhere it's not blocking a path) otherwise you might get boxed in by other peoples carts.

and of course, if it's too much for you, just come back later.

>>7542194
No, you don't understand.

>>7542200
Yes, assigning a role / stereotype helps a lot, sometimes.

>>7542225
If you robo everyone can tell you're high, even if your not actually high anymore.

I can just imagine someone shuffling down an aisle with 10mm pupils and a can of raviolis in each hand.

>>7542321

er... i do understand, actually.

btw, i am both
>>7542194
and
>>7542200

been there, fampai. used to be a socially anxious wreck. then i wanted to be awesome.

I familiarize myself with my local supermarket so I can organize my shopping list by aisle and department

Produce, Meat, Grocery, Dairy, Frozen, Beer/Wine

If you know where everything is, just put your list in geographical order. It literally cuts the time in half.

>>7542138

>go shopping half an hour before store closes

Oh, like when the shelves are wiped clean and all the produce is gone? Despicable.

>>7542087
go during off peak hours

>>7542087
Go in really early or know exactly what you're getting and get in there 30 minutes before they close and rush. Keep your eyes down and if anyone but the cashier says anything to you just mutter "y-you too." And shuffle away.

Works every time, guaranteed.

I used to like going to the grocery store around 11 on Friday nights literally no one in there its comfy desu

>>7542471
maybe in your mom and pop store you small town dingus

>>7542321
Thanks man. Also lel, i guess people could tell

>>7542188
you do sound like a sjw

I used to work in a warehouse that supplied a bunch of grocery stores, it was really cruisy work and I was just left on my own all day.

I think the boss liked my work and decided to promote me to manage one of his grocery stores. Fuck I hated it, I'd just hide out the back all the time and drink coffee or try to find excuses to go and run errands. I hated being out in public at the time.
If I had to go on to the shop floor I'd check the security cameras first to make sure my autism wouldn't flair up when I was out of my comfort zone.

Thank fuck I found a new job, now I'm just in a factory staring at a machine all night, it's perfect.

>>7542087

My only problems with grocery stores is impulse buys and the checkout cashiers commenting on what I buy. I have no problem with small talking with them, but when they comment on my choices, that is when autism mode is engaged. Thankfully I'm pretty fit, so they figure I can just buy whatever and not know I'm a former fatass with self control problems.

Also I have a real impulse problem with buying liquids. Fucking picture related.

>>7542181

I love going at morning or night. The baked goods are fresh or conversely, the baked goods are being sold at a discount before closing.

>>7542171
My fucking god this post right fucking here

I have aspergers and I'm logic based and going to the supermarket for me is a teeth grinding experience because there's just so much stuff on shelves I can't find what I need most of the time without having to ask an employee to help me look for my specific item I have an issue with, most of the time a spice or a sauce or some similar small item

And then I hate how cashiers just have to go through my stuff that I buy and I always think my character is being judged on what I buy and only one store has automated cash but they are old as fuck and bug out and freeze constantly

>>7542087
I just shop on the same days as my mom does so I can go with her and make an annoyed expression the whole time to make it seem like she dragged me along. When that doesn't work, I just go as soon as the store opens after staying up all night.

>>7542087
Either do it or don't. If you're really so dysfunctional that you can't engage in tasks necessary to survival, you should not survive. Simple as that.

>>7543273
That's pretty rude, it's not his fault.

>>7543273
You realize you're saying most of the human race shouldn't survive, right? The majority of people can't do everything on their own.

>>7543293
Yes, absolutely.

>>7543300
Unless you produce every ingredient you cook with yourself, you're part of that.

>>7543209
As a cashier I can say with confidence that they almost certainly do not care what you're buying and will not judge you based on that. An ideal transaction is one that is quick, easy, and simple. Regardless of what you buy if you come to the register with payment ready in hand and don't over-complicate things you are perfectly handling your side. You don't even have to talk if you don't want to, in fact talkers can be a pain just from talking too much, on the other hand I've had deaf customers that were great.

Customers that get judged are the ones that make things difficult or slow the line unnecessarily. It's fine if you have coupons or questions or whatever but at least be polite and apologetic about it. The nightmares are normally the ones that are just super slow mentally, or the angry dicks telling you how to do your job.

>>7543286
Yes it is. You try, fuck up hard, then adapt. That is life. Keeping others in infantile states in the name of sensitivity just enforces/reaffirms their position instead of encouraging improvement.

tl:dr fuck enablers

>>7543305
No, I'm not. I'm perfectly capable of engaging in every task necessary to survival. The fact that I peruse some more sophisticated items made possible by collaborative society is totally irrelevant.

>>7542188
>>7542228
Fuck off and go cry about it on tumblr, cunt.

>>7542087
Make a list, get what you want, and get out.

Otherwise, switch to a store that DOES do online ordering. Then they'll just deliver it and all you have to do is be in for your fucking delivery slot.

>>7542114
>interacting with other human beings
Entirely optional unless you're in a country where people insist on shoving their nose into your business. Don't even have to have run it through the checkout yourself these days.

Does anyone else avoid the sexy girl working the register and go to the teenage guy covered in pimples because they won't get nervous as fuck and fumble money, choke on words and act like an autist?

>tfw you buy condoms in a drug store and the cashier gets embarassed and shy
I thought they would be used to this sort of thing.

>>7542087
That only happens when I go in a bargain booze but don't buy anything. Then I realize how dodgy I look but I'm white and not wearing trackies so no one suspects anything

>>7544682
>go into a local off licence
>want a case of Erdinger
>there's a single 24 case on the floor with no price
>ay how much?
>cashier walks over to the fridge
>grabs a single bottle of erdinger
>scans it through then multiplies it by 24
>"the case is 84 euro"

Left and never went back. They later got shut down for selling alcohol to teenagers.

>>7544590
Go during the middle of a weekday when the highschool girls aren't working. Sweet old ladies love me because I don't get nervous around them and make decent small talk.

>>7542120
agree, also am from bumfuck nowhere

man i lived in a small town and after some weeks that started to kill me.

now i moved to a bigger one and crowd anonymity takes care of that. that and just avoiding or ignoring any human possible contact.

OP I have/had the same problem as you with shopping, but it is getting better. When I am very anxious I just bring my MP3 player and have a white noise track that is long and basically blocks out all the other people's voices. Also, bring a list, even if you don't need it so you can just stare at that if you get uncomfortable, HTHs.

Wtf is wrong with you people?

I mean, seriously. Man up and do what you need to do.

Fuck, I'm terrified about the future of the world if we continue to coddle this bullshit.

Grow the fuck up. The world does not give a shit about you. Deal with it and do what you need to to survive and contribute to society.

You want to matter to the world, do something that matters. No one give a shit how it makes you feel, we couldn't care less about your "internal struggles" all that matters in the real world is actions, not intentions.

Do something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4PE2hSqVnk

You do realize that you are being judged harder here than you ever will be by people in public?

The only people I even notice in stores while I'm running errands are hot girls, and I forget about them almost immediately after I leave.

>>7542087
I can handle it fine unless some random child just starts screaming their head off. I have to leave when that happens because it just freaks me out so bad. I usually just shop at night and have a friend drive me and go with me.

>>7544765
An anxiety disorder isn't a rational thing that goes away with understanding that it's not important to anyone else what you do. It's not about wanting to be coddled, it's about your brain actively trying to avoid doing that reasoning that would lead to "oh yeah this is no big deal".

Posting shit like this and telling people to harden up doesn't and can't actually do any good.

t. recovered anxiety disorder sufferer

>>7544805
Dude it's all your head just get over it XD just be normal like it's me easy

>>7542087
I go very early in the morning or during a weekday and do it really fast.

>>7544805
I understand that someone. Has made you feel like it was okay to believe this, and I'm sorry they did that to you.

But consider this for a second, 20 years ago very little of this shit happened.
40 years ago none of it did.

Humanity has not changed that much physically in the last three generations.

This kind of shot got shamed or beaten out of our grandfathers, and in families that are not afraid to bring kids in line, we still don't have these problems.

You are like this because your family/friends/ teachers allowed you to be like this. If they had done their jobs and made you acclimate and normalize to society, something as simple as fucking grocery shopping would not be a struggle for you.

I don't blame you. I blame the way you were raised. I hope to god that the damage done is bad enough that it keeps you fucks from breeding and spreading this shit to another generation.

>>7544867
>20 years ago very little of this shit happened. 40 years ago none of it did.

[citation needed]

>>7544867
>But consider this for a second, 20 years ago very little of this shit happened.
>40 years ago none of it did.
>Humanity has not changed that much physically in the last three generations.
Gee it's almost as if fields like psychiatry and medicine evolved or something.

>>7544888
Ask a goddamn old person.

There's your fucking citation.

The 20 years ago one I can be your old person. I was a young adult then and I can honestly say if someone in school had acted like this 30 years ago we would have beat the shit out of them for it. 20 years ago in college, there were a couple people starting down the path of what would become Emo, they were socially outcast. We should have done more to grind them down, I'm guessing one of them is the reason you are the way you are.

Back in the eighties, being the little kid in the grocery store, we were polite to adults, helpful with the shopping, kept our voices down, and did what we were told or we got our asses whipped. End result, we know how to behave in a grocery store.

Fifteen years ago mothers pushed your generations screaming asses around in a cart making everyone else miserable because she was unwilling to "put artificial limitations on her special little genius". Now we have a thread of those special little snowflakes commiserating on how hard it is to exist within 3 feet of another human.

This shit is totally not /ck, and I'm sorry to have derailed your little confidence building hugfest, but damn it guys. Try acting like fucking adults for a change and maybe you will get the hang of it.

>>7544909
You call this an advance?

Psychiatry may be more prevalent now, but I would be hard pressed to see the results of that expansion as an improvement.

>>7544867
>But consider this for a second, 20 years ago very little of this shit happened.
40 years ago none of it did.

>Humanity has not changed that much physically in the last three generations.


every single statement you made is mindless and shows not a single trait of reflectivity or empathy. stop generalizing and seriously consider getting help.

>>7544909
>Psychiatry is a rigorous medical field with defined metrics instead of just classifying via recognized symptoms.

He's right you know. Since you're allowed to be a little bitch, you don't get any exposure therapy, and continue to be a little bitch. Find your bitch balls and go to the grocery store.

>>7542087
jesus christ is every fucking user in this site a socially inept autist?

>>7544930
>>7544937
I agree with you to some extent.
Just pointing out that claiming social anxiety didn't exist because your dad would belt slap you from time to time is pushing it.

>>7544919
Nice anecdote, faggot, but where's your actual citation?

>>7544919
Slow down Travis Bickle and accept that this is not your fucking generation and not every single problem is solved by beating the crap out of it. nowadays people have mental problems and some of them involve being in public. realize that your world view and angry rants are just the result of your abusive upbringing in your generation.

>>7544919
>implying social anxiety didn't exist 50 years ago

Ladies and Gentlemen, the president of the old persons is writing in this thread. please offer him a seat and help him with his bad memory.

>>7544919
If it did exist, how would you know? You would never interact with those people because they avoid social interaction at all cost. The only reason you see them now is because they have the internet.

It's like saying there were less gay people 50 years ago. It's just a completely unverifiable statement either way.

>>7545003
Too obvious/10

>>7544976
>your abusive upbringing in your generation
kek, he got fingered by his dad

>>7545010
Not trolling. Care to add to the discussion?

>>7544996
Of course it existed in times past, but never to the level that it does today.

It comes down to socialization. 50 years ago there was no internet. there were no video games. in other words, there was nothing to do sitting in your room all by yourself. The only real source of entertainment was to go out and do something with other people.

The reason that social anxiety is so much more prevalent these days is that people grew up staying at home sitting in front of the TV, internet, or phone and thus didn't have as much opportunity for social interaction.

>>7545003
>>The only reason you see them now is because they have the internet.

The internet is what creates, enables, and perpetuates those kind of people.

>>7545020
It's a nice theory, but still completely speculative. There is evidence that NEETs have existed throughout history, the most famous one I can think of off the top of my head being Emily Dickinson. There's no way to estimate what proportion of them exist compared to today. I just don't see the point in speculating, or furthermore even caring about these people. They barely exist either way. Let them waste their lives if they want to. It doesn't help anyone to throw spite their way.

>>7545003
I'm not saying it didn't exist, okay I said "not at all 40 years ago", sorry hyperbole.

Granted, there have always been hermits and spinsters, people who just withdraw totally, but up until recently those were extreme outliers. Like maybe one or two in a town. Legends formed around them they were so rare. These are the mountain witches and creepy old men in "haunted houses"

Now it is everywhere. In my son's Cub Scout den, out of a dozen boys, maybe four of them are not medicated and under the care of a shrink.

At one point, while the rest of them were talking about pokemon cards, two of the worst were sitting around having a serious discussion about their medication and dosages. 9 year olds.

This is a problem.


As for all of you pointing out that I'm the old geezer yelling for you to get off my lawn, you can make a lot of excuses for your generation, I only have to say one thing about mine...

My generation functions.

>>7545047
>There's no way to estimate what proportion of them exist compared to today

Sure there is. It's called talking to people older than yourself.

>> I just don't see the point in speculating, or furthermore even caring about these people

Fair enough, but what's wrong with having a discussion about something?

>>Let them waste their lives if they want to.
Of course.

>>It doesn't help anyone to throw spite their way.
I agree. But who said anything about spite? I wasn't trying to pass judgement or anything, I was simply explaining.

>>7545051
>>My generation functions.

Ok I lied, I have a second thing to say about my generation.

We are apparently, for the most part, really bad at raising functional kids.

Sorry about that, if it's any consolation mine are turning out pretty well.

For example, I can send my 12 year old into a grocery store with cash and she can get the things we need while I stay in the car to let the 4year old stay asleep.

>>7545051
I agree with you about over-medication, but would argue that our generation's dysfunction is a direct result of our parents' generation being completely dysfunctional in the internet age. There is perhaps the biggest generational gap in modern history due to the staggering pace at which technology has developed in the past 30 years.

I think if the pace of technology stagnates, it will be easier to raise functional kids.

>>7545020
>Of course it existed in times past, but never to the level that it does today.

any proof, Sir? you throw things like that out there as if they were given facts. And no, being old doesn't count a citation.

>The internet is what creates, enables, and perpetuates those kind of people.

See, that's were you wrong. The internet is often the only way for these people to interact socially in any kind of form.

>It comes down to socialization. 50 years ago there was no internet. there were no video games. in other words, there was nothing to do sitting in your room all by yourself. The only real source of entertainment was to go out and do something with other people.

putting the blame on video games, tv and cellphones is generalizing and simplifying a problem that is much deeper rooted.

>>7545020
>It comes down to socialization. 50 years ago there was no internet. there were no video games. in other words, there was nothing to do sitting in your room all by yourself. The only real source of entertainment was to go out and do something with other people

>what are books and drugs

Social isolation has been a thing since forever. You are wrong.

>>7545078
>any proof,
No, just observations as a result of talking to people throughout my life--both younger and older.

>>The internet is often the only way for these people to interact socially in any kind of form.
First off, the internet is not the same as face-to-face social interaction. People say things online they wouldn't dare to say in real life. They also have the ability to avoid confrontation that couldn't be avoided in real life. It's no the same thing. Though I do agree that it is a social outlet for those people, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Second, the problem would not exist anywhere near as much as it does today if not for the internet (and other means of entertainment that work without actually being in the presence of another human being).

>>putting the blame on video games, tv and cellphones is generalizing and simplifying a problem that is much deeper rooted.
Agreed 100%. But I think it captures the gist of the problem very well.

In years past there were few, if any, opportunities for entertainment alone. As a result kids had no choice but to socialize with others. As a result of that they weren't traumatized by insults and had no problem ordering a pizza or shopping at the market.

Since then we've had too many children who went home while both parents were at work. They sat their ass in front of the TV (or other device) instead. As a result they did NOT get ample socialization, and suffer for it as adults. It's not the fault of TV or Video games or any other single thing--it's the fact that recent generations had a ton of free time and plenty of ways to fill that free time that didn't involve other human beings, which is a condition that didn't exist until fairly recently in human history.

>>7545110
Nobody is claiming it never existed beforehand, only that it's much more common now that it was in the past.

>>7545020
People like Kierkegaard were pretty autistic, however most never became famous because of their social retardation.

I go with my backpack and heelies, and if I get too nervous I deploy the smoke grenade I have in my backpack and roll out the door

>>7545119
>>any proof,
>No, just observations as a result of talking to people throughout my life--both younger and older.

Oh, ok. Please leave topics like this to actual researchers instead of introducting your confirmation bias and treating it as fact.

>>7545067
yeah? and what happens if your kid grows up to be a social outsider? what then? of course, you make sure that this never happens with 100 percent success rate. and if it fails your contingency plan is to give him the same rant and a healthy slapping? you spout out misinformation and nonsense that will last for more "functional" generations to come.

>>7545124
Claims with nothing to back them up.

>>7545124
>Nobody is claiming it never existed

That's my fault fellow old bro.

I said "40 years ago none at all" forgetting that I was talking to literal autistic anons who would absolutely take it literally, focus and obsess on that single point and ignore the rest of the discussion as they tilt Quixotically at that semantic windmill.

>>7545146

LMAO, amateur mistake

>>7545146
Don't forgert your overly simplistic opinions, cringeworthy statements and lack of sense to back anything up you came up with. except for the argument for being old of course.