/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>7505366
>General

>>7505413
Because my starting topic isn't the only topic allowed.

Made my third attempt at home roasting today
It actually tasted like coffee this time

I bought this taking the risk that it may be a gimmick but it's great. It's basically a French press without the plunging, making it taste a bit more clean and subtle.

What's the poor man's espresso machine of choice?

I use a perculator and it does the job fine but I want to move up

We take turns maintaining the break room at work and that includes making the coffee. We have a brewer similar to pic related. I'm gonna throw some counter culture fast forward in that bitch instead of the shit tier coffee they normally brew. Probably won't be as good as using my v60 but it should be fine right?

>>7505366
FUCKING

BLUEBERRY

COFFEE

FROM

DUNKIN'

MOTHERFUCKIN'

DONUTS

HOLY SHIT!

>>7505562
cmon american

no

>>7505562

this is what happens when you drop your kid before their fontanelle closes

where my aeropress niggas at? is the inverted brewing method goat

>mfw I have enough money saved for a rancilio silvia and a rocky doserless
The only thing stopping me is the thought that I could a save a little longer and get a rocket espresso machine.

>>7505366
>single origin
>medium roast
>scientific coffee
Gag me with a spoon.

>>7505693
enjoy your estrogen

>>7505488
What budget? Under 500, maybe if you get lucky finding something used. Under 300? You'de have to be insanely lucky with used stuff. Less than that? Don't even bother.

>>7505850
You can ger gaggia classics for fuck all

>>7505366
Working with Burundi Kiryama.

EK43 and a BDB 920xl
Water is 100ppm Mg, 50ppm HCO3 although I am thinking of upping the buffer by 10ppm or so.
18g in (18g VST basket, Pergtamp, vert/horiz taps) 46g out in 30~ seconds with 5s preinfusion and 8.5bar for the rest.
Notes of Meyer lemon, cedar, toffee, tobacco.

Very citrus forward, with a pretty prominent and well articulated acidity. Nice sweetness, but the acidity dominates and could do with a bit of reigning in. When ext% is increased it brings out darker flavors, but gets a bit dry and bitter.

>>7505713
Don't do it man. Get a used Mazzer off Ebay or Craigslist and get the Rocket. It's like building a gaming PC- buy once, cry once.

>tfw have La Pavoni I got off grandfather for like nothing that just had a broken switch connector
>tfw have a Rocky doserless and fine-tuning it is maddening

>>7505713
Save up for a better grinder rather than a better machine.

>>7505871
Including grinder it'll still be over 300 even if you're stupidly lucky. Don't bother with less than a used Super Jolley or Mazzer Mini, that's 200 right there on a lucky day. A Gaggia plus PID kit is going to be more than another 100.

>>7505895
One of my levers is an old Pavoni. It's actually really easy to repair and maintain. Got mine on Craigslist for $60 in not working condition, had it working in just a couple hours.

Don't like it much to be honest. My Caravels are my favorite by far, with the La Peppina behind them and Pavoni last. The open boiler manual lever design is brilliant for straight shots. If I ever do upgrade, even with an infinite budget, it'd be to a Strietman.

>>7505460
if you already know this im sorry but its important to let your coffee sit after roasting for at least 4-36 hours depending on the beans for the best flavor

>>7505944
That sounds wonderful, honestly. The LaPav was my first espresso machine, I was hesitant but curious about semi-autos because they're complex relativey, but then I got that. I already had the Rocky because it was a "If you can only have one for less than $400" grinder. Managed to only pay half that.

What do you have in terms of semis?

>tfw considering buying a better espresso-only grinder
>tfw having nothing but problems with the Pavoni giving acidic shots with thin crema, whereas I used to get shots that were pure crema and absolutely heavenly

I'm thinking of building an automated coffee roaster at this point, fuck the unsteady supply here and doubly fuck the fucking $19/12oz for fucking fresh coffee. Doing the math in a month I could build the machinery to consistently roast coffee and some fresh beans.

>mfw I'm actually gonna do this now because I finally have the proper motivation

>>7505978
>tfw having nothing but problems with the Pavoni giving acidic shots with thin crema
Sounds like your coffee is lighter roasted. Just put more water through it. Thin crema? Who cares. That or it's a grinder/water problem - you need more buffer and a better grinder.

Either way, roast that shit!

>>7505889
Just did some Guatemala Waykan

18g in 52g out, 24s
Super drinkable. Really well rounded. Red cherry, milk chocolate, malt, caramel.

>>7506019
What's buffer??

How many sips do you get out of a ristresso? At what rate do you take those sips?

What about a ristretto?

I tend to sip an espresso three times, and a ristretto twice. I feel like there isn't enough in a ristretto for two sips, but can't fully appreciate the flavour unless I drink it in two stages. I know some people who do both in one sip, but that seems wasteful to me.

How many sips do you get out of an espresso? At what rate do you take those sips?

What about a ristretto?

I tend to sip an espresso three times, and a ristretto twice. I feel like there isn't enough in a ristretto for two sips, but can't fully appreciate the flavour unless I drink it in two stages. I know some people who do both in one sip, but that seems wasteful to me.

>>7505850
Test test is the thread dead

Under 500, if I can find it, and under 1000

I already have a Vitamix, anything more than a grand better make ice cream and drugs too for me to justify it

Under 300 is better but I already have read I won't find anything in that price, besides my percolator

>>7506235
kek

>>7506218
Buffer is a chemical compound in water that acts as a sort of resistance to changes in pH. In my water it is the HCO3. The buffer binds with acids and changes them into similar, but different tasting compounds. Some is necessary, too much is gross and chalky.

>>7506235
Not really something I think about too much. I typically pull shots in the 50g range, so there is enough there for 5 sips or 2 or 3 pretty big mouthfuls. I stir it thoroughly and let it cool until about 40-60C.

>>7505798
Fug. but show me the proofs that plastics + estrogen

>>7506019
More likely a temperature issue, temperature management on the Pavoni is a bitch.

I feel like making cold brew coffee, mixing gelatin, and then pouring it into an ice cube tray.

What would that be like?

>>7506834
Haven't worked with one, but it shouldn't be that hard to keep it above 190f or so.

>>7505693
Right here.

Local wood roasted beans > Skerton > Aeropress > Touch of frothed milk, no sugar

Rate me /ck/

Is it normal to get sour taste with light roast brewed in a 6 cup moka pot?

I set my Baratza encore at around 13 and 14. Perhaps I should try 16?

>>7506922
Just buy it. It's not too bad.

I usually drink espresso when I feel a shit happening. About 5~10 minutes after drinking, everything goes smoothly and feels amazing.

Anyone else?

>Make plunger of coffee
>have a few cups over half an hour or so
>Next cup is warm, not as hot as it could be
>Have genius Idea
>Drink straight from the plunger
>Its piping hot, delicious and... forbidden...
>Think to myself:
Life was never meant to be this good

>>7505895
>>7505923
To be honest the main reason id blow the budget and get a rocket is because it's sexy as fuck imo and the fact it has a dual boiler and you can plumb it into a water supply. The second hand market isn't great where I live, there's not many grinders for sale, so I'd have to get it near retail price. I'll think about it more and look at some different grinders.

Could you see if there's any grinders you like on coffeeitalia.ie? Here's what I was thinking of going with;

http://www.coffeeitalia.ie/set-ranc-2uk.html

>>7507703
Oh also there's a bundle with the Vario grinder for 100 more but I've heard too many reliability horror stories.

>>7505923
Which kind or brand of grinder?

>>7506678
Do some research yourself mate, I'm not concerned enough about your tits to make the effort for you to be honest.

These things are overpriced junk

>>7507948
>breaks something like a child
>it's shit!

>>7507948
Did you leave it in the press with coffee grounds in it?

But yeah I'm not a huge fan of french press coffee either. Pour over is where it's at if you wanna be a hobo.

>>7507948
You scratched the inside with a metal spoon like a retard, the stress of adding hot water then turned the scratch into a crack.

>>7507209
It's basically 100% guesswork.

>>7505467
how exactly does this work?

>>7507377
>wood roasted beans
>skerton
>milk
2/10
Ya blew it.

>>7507703
Looking at the Vario-W (with the Mahlkonig burrs). If you are worried about reliability, I know they have spectacular customer service at least.

As dumb as it sounds, I think the best bang for buck is with the Breville Smart Grinder Pro. Haven't used it myself, so I am hesitant to recommend, but I've seen some very interesting results from analysis of the particle distribution (unfortunately it was with sieves rather than laser diffraction). And the BDB 920xl is awesome - I prefer it to a GS3.


>>7507866
Depends on your use. If you are doing filter most of the time, do a lido 2. If you are doing espresso nearly all the time, you'll want something electric. Avoid dedicated espresso grinders, they have a decent amount of design flaws that their convenience really doesn't make up for in home use.

>>7507396
Is it even possible for moka to underextract? try increasing grind size

>>7508617
I think it was over-extracting due to fine of a grind. I set my Encore to 16 and it's an improvement in taste.

With dark roast anyway.

>>7507948
My roommates managed to break my first 2 presses.
I replaced it with one of those $15 plastic bodum presses that look like a toy
It's lasted a year now.

>>7505693
French press is better than this meme brewer.

>>7508884
Why is that?
Because it has no option for paper filtration?
Because it is harder to clean?

They are both immersion brewers that do essentially the same thing.

>>7508734
Sour = under extraction
The solution would be to grind finer/use hotter water/use water with higher GH and KH/have more contact time/Put more water through the coffee

>>7508940
>grind finer

That's what I was doing.

>use hotter water

Pre heat it every time

>user water with higher GH and KH

Don't know wtf that is. I'm sure as shit not using tap water though.

>Have more contact time

Not sure that's possible with a moka pot.

>Put more water through the coffee

Or this.

>>7510370
Then you may not know what "sour" means. Seems to be a fairly common thing. People mix up dry/astringent with sour/acidic. Sure, some acids can be astringent, but they are different experiences. Had a friend who thought choke cherries were sour/acidic, his mom taught him they were. I had never tried one. Them shits dried out my mouth like a bag of cotton balls, but had just about 0 acidity.

16 on an encore is coarse as fuck for a mokka

>>7510370
Also,
GH is General Hardness, and refers to Ca and Mg content in water. Can be expressed as ion or ion as CaCO3. As ion, you are looking for about 100ppm, as ion as CaCO3, somewhere around 400ppm. Speaking Mg here as Ca will lead to scale build up. This stuff binds to solubles in coffee, letting you extract more.

KH is Carbonate Hardness, or alkalinity (not to be confused with being alkaline, or having a high pH). It typically refers to HCO3 dissolved in the water. You are looking for somewhere around 50 ppm as ion, or 60ppm as ion as CaCO3. This stuff bind to acids and neutralizes them and turns them into different compounds. Helps to balance out the acidity and acts as a "buffer" for the pH - resists letting it go too high or too low (tends toward around 8pH).

You generally want a 2:1 GH:KH ratio, although it really depends on the coffee you are working with. Most likely your bottled/filtered water is nothing close to this.

>>7505366
Lavazza Espresso Point machine at home and using Lavazza Tierra capsules, cause who the fuck wants to sit there and pack and clean a wand 4+ times a day

>>7510472
Who wants to drink disgusting, overpriced coffee at home?

How many times should I boil a new electric kettle?

>>7510478
Three or for hundred.

>>7510476
Lavazza. Disgusting. Coffee.

>>7505889
Nice, both of the beans I've been roasting (roastbee gas roaster) are African. Kenya Nyeri (washed) and a natural process Ethiopia Yirg. The Kenya is what I was pulling shots with today. Getting a lot of citrus out of the Kenya too.

Pulled with an Arrarex Caravel. As for grinder I've been doing some back to back shots with the Bunnzilla, Compak K10, and Mythos recently to decide which one to sell. I think I actually like the Bunnzilla best. Both of the other two will probably be up for sale soon.

15g in (which is a ton for this tiny 43mm basket), 16g out. Very thick, intense, and syrupy. Sweet and a quite enjoyable fruity acidity.

My water I need to work on. Moving to a different place soon, so figure I'll plumb it in there. Just a Pur for now. It's decent enough and a lot better than my Brita. But not ideal.

>>7505978
Just a francisfrancis x3 I got off irc cheap. First machine actually. Don't like it much at all, it's a miracle it didn't make me give up on espresso. The other pump machines I've tried I still like less than my Caravels, but I have yet to try a Slayer or other manual profiling machine hands on. Have had shots from one though.

As for roasting, after the sunk cost, it'll be a couple years for me to break even. That's still more than I can say for the grinders or machines.

>>7506235
The Caravel shots are tiny, but I usually get more than three still. I will admit that I have maybe licked the crema left in the glass on really especially good shots. Never in public or with people over of course.

>>7506360
Do you want shots, milk drinks, or both? My recommendations will change depending.

>>7510554
So surpised you checked in same time as me, was afraid this thread died

>shots
My perc spoiled me, I like to have the option of having a full cup, so it's not that I favor milk mixes, I just like volume

That said, if that doesn't help, I think both or milk are the bigger priorities over a dedicated single shot machine

Thanks for answering all this time btw, I also just come in and out

>>7510465
Where would you get the water, then?

>>7510596
Straight from an aquifer probably.

>>7510472
I'm not into capsule/pod machines but this thing is 10/10 cute.

>>7510495
Yes. Lavazza is 100% trash.

>>7510554
>43mm basket
Dude, time to ditch that machine so you can get VST baskets and a decent tamper. Maybe then you won't be forced to so deeply under extract those shots.

>>7510596
I make it.

Buy Reverse Osmosis water from the store. Test that shit with a GH/KH test kit from a pet store just to double check the mineral content as there is some variation from machine to machine. Mine came out to ~10/10 as CaCO3 (or ~2.5/8 as ion).

Then you buy Epsom salt and baking soda. Epsom salt is MgSO4 + 7H2O. Makes it about 10% Mg by weight.You want to avoid going over 400ppm SO4 for taste/shits reasons. Baking soda is about 75% HCO3 by weight.

Do the math and I add somewhere around 1g/L epsom salt, and 0.05g/L baking soda.

>>7511535
I have it and make a couple of espressos throughout the day. There's a variety of cartridges, I go with Lavazza Tierra 100% Arabica.
>>7512021
I wouldn't call it trash, I'd rate it a 7.5/10 for espresso, and a 10/10 for convenience, cause who wants to sit there and pack a wand and clean it 4 times or more a day. I didn't open a cafe in my kitchen, sorry, and my café noisette espresso is done in under a minute, almost to perfection.

>>7512065
I'd take the extra 30 seconds or so of prep. Lavazza is somewhere around a 1 or a 2/10. Would never finish a shot. And with 30 seconds more effort, I can make an 8 or a 9. I'll take that extra effort.

>>7512029
I already have a custom fit tamper for my baskets. I'm not interested in ever owning a 58mm machine unless Strietman develops a 58mm version of the CT-1. I do have some aftermarket baskets that get decently close to uniform hole size. I would like to try out vst baskets, there just isn't a single machine I know of that can use them I'd consider buying. At least nothing less expensive than a Slayer single group.

I can assure you the shots are not under extracted with the incredibly fine grind the Ditting burrs let me use and the 25 second preinfusion period.

>>7512065
Ok what the hell does "pack a wand" mean? The only want on an espresso machine is the steam wand and you don't pack anything in there.

>>7512123
>At least nothing less expensive than a Slayer single group.
Breville Dual Boiler 920xl. Mondo cheap, and can do pretty well anything but consistent volumetrics.

And there just is no way to make a 20%~ ext shot with a 1:1 ratio. No matter how long your preinfuse or whatever, it just won't happen. Speaking from experience with an EK43 with thoroughly aligned burrs. You are probs hitting the "first hump" around 16%.

>>7512050
Jesus christ.

As always, I will be relaxing with a classic latte: a teaspoon and a half of Nescafe in my mug, a splash of boiling water to make an espresso, then top up with semi skimmed and microwave for 3 minutes. Heaven.

>>7512153
>inb4 people get mad at you for enjoying a thing

>>7512134
I know about the BDB. I've researched it plenty. I could have one on my counter by Tuesday afternoon if I wanted. I'm not at all interested in owning one.

I do plan on picking up a refractometer soon. Maybe one of the atago ones if they're similarly accurate to the VST.

>>7512134
>>7512123
Actually, in the cheaper than a Slayer category, maybe a Vesuvius if I got to try it hands on first for a week. I don't want to give up the pressure profiling to the machine so readily though, I'd much rather a fully manual needle valve if it's a pump machine. Or better yet just keep to the fully manual direct lever.

I think there might be a couple other fully manual profiling machines cheaper than the Slayer as well, but I haven't looked in to them at all.

>>7512226
>>7512207
Ah, if pressure profiling is that important then you are pretty stuck spending big bucks. I really don't see the value in pressure profiling. Preinfusion, sure. But the difference between an ideal preinfused shot and an ideal pressure profiled shot is much smaller than the difference you'd get from going from a strada basket to a vst or using good water or aligning your grinder.


The Atago PAL-Coffee seems to be pretty solid, at least from what I've seen from Socratic coffee and the rest of the community that has tried one. Make sure you get the TDS one.

>>7505693

inverted method is indeed goat, it's strictly superior imo and the only reason to do it the other way is if you're scared of flipping a canister of hot liquid over for some reason

>>7512285
Yeah, if the BDB didn't have preinfusion I'd have never researched it thoroughly since I'd have dropped the idea at that line alone. But I still wouldn't want a machine I can't control the pressure on.

One of the most tempting thing about the Strietman CT-1 to me over my Caravel is the IMS baskets it comes with. My aftermarket Brooks baskets are decent, but most likely not IMS or VST quality.

Lots of other things too of course, not just for the baskets. There are only a couple small things I don't like about it or I'd have one already. Still might just sell the Mythos and k10 and buy a Strietman anyway.

Alignment is actually quite good on my grinder already. I tested it and it came out perfect without having to shim with foil, at least with the black expo marker burr chiming method. Bunn gets a lot of shit for shitty diners using their brewers, but frankly they build some damn good stuff. I know Socratic has done some studies on the Ditting 804 and they quite like it over there, I don't see any reason it any of it wouldn't carry over the the Bunn with their burrs.

Water I'm basically waiting till I move since no point installing a RO system here and ripping it out in a month. The bottled stuff and manual remineralization really isn't a bad idea though.

>>7512351
I can respect all of that. I'm still a bit dubious of the distribution results they post for their grinder test as they are using sieves rather than laser diffraction. So far the best looking espresso result they got came from the Breville Smart Grinder Pro, which doesn't do great at coarser sizes. Hard to believe, really. That and Matt/Chris (who are working on some grinder research rn) seem to think the results are pretty meaningless.

And I couldn't see any reason that the Bunnzilla wouldn't be as good as the 804, except for maybe some machining tolerances (which can make a big difference, but you found it to be in good alignment) or motor RPM.

Maybe I should try some more ulta-short shots like you have been liking. It has been a while since I've bothered to dial one in at a 1:1 or anything close. Most of my stuff has been in the 1:3 range lately. It still theoretically makes sense that it'd be nearly impossible to get high extraction with so little water, but data over everything.

The water that I posted about costs like 2 bucks for 19L, so it's pretty cheap to try out.

>>7512370
Perhaps the short shots are a combo of:
Unevenness due to basket inconsistency - even between IMS and VST people have seen a 2% difference in ext. So I can imagine that something even worse could drop your max tasty ext% numbers by a huge amount.

Or it could be a water problem. A low GH high KH water would definitely favor lower extractions, as it will mute the acidity pretty heavily, and turn anything with a higher extraction into a dull/dry/chalky mess. The tap water here is around 200/150 ppm ion as CaCO3, and it is pretty much impossible to make anything taste good with it, but definitely tastes much better at tighter ratios and lower extractions.

Also, care to explain why pressure profiling/control is such a driving force for you? I really haven't noodled around with it enough to have a strong opinion. (here's an interesting post about it though: https://www.pilotcoffeeroasters.com/blogs/the-fix/33778116-i-havent-changed-my-grind-size-in-six-months - they have great espresso at this place, although I did try it a year or so before this article was posted)

>>7512370
The espresso making process does reflect the measurements well for them though, being able to take it much finer than their ek for shots. Doesn't do the super high sweetness thing as well as the ek despite that. I think the ek kind of falls into it's own category, not bimodal like most espresso grinders, but not quite unimodal like the Ditting 804 or Compak R120 and so on. Something about the fines it produces.

It is a bit tricky to get longer shots on the Caravel, but because of the piston's center o ring it can be done without disturbing the puck like many levers have problems with. Think I'll have to see how that goes for my next shot. I do have some different hole size baskets (a .25mm and a .3mm) so with that and the dose amount I can probably make something work without having to do a full second pull if I needed to.


>>7512390
The pressure profiling is a somewhat different but very close reason to that article. By being able to control the flow directly, it's maybe once a month or less a shot ends up in the sink. Even new dramatically different beans or the same beans over a week later. I can compensate for so many other variables during the brew itself, rather than having to do it in the grinder.

If you don't mind me asking, wouldn't be any chance you're one of the St. Louis people from one of the other coffee threads a bit ago would there? I'd guess not by the pilot thing since they're Canadian, but could be some interesting equipment / technique comparison on the off chance you are.

Got pic related on sale.

Besides the "you MUST use all steam before powering down the apparatus" it seems to be decent.

>>7512423
The St. Louis thing I ask because of the water by the way. The CCR for the city puts the water at 98-200 mg/L of CaCO3 with an average of 140. Chalky mess indeed. But I do filter it and it doesn't scale like it does out of the tap after I do. My Pur filter is very noticeably better than my Brita too.

>>7512423
Makes sense regarding the profiling - lets you work out the kinks as the shot is happening. I end up not making a ton of espresso because of how wasteful it is to dial in. When the difference between a nice extraction and an over extraction is 2 or 3 grams in the cup, it can take a few shots to really find that sweet spot.

I fully disagree that the EK's goodness has anything to do with its fines. The amount and particle distribution of its fines are not substantially different than other grinders. Even in that graph on the perg's site, it's such a tiny tiny difference, even with the x axis being a logarithmic interpretation (which greatly over emphasizes the small end) I'll attach a picture of the linear version of the same graph and it becomes pretty readily apparent why the fines are not the cause of the difference. Any grinder is bimodal, as they all involve some fracturing of the beans which will lead to the ultafines (below 100um or so) to splinter off.

There is unfortunately little info on the R120 that I've found, although the article I read found that it had nice clarity but maxed out around 19.7% ext. That to me says that it most likely has a really thin peak and then a lot of deviation aside from that most likely in the larger range. Lots of stuff right around the same size, lots of boulders. So the boulders don't contribute much except some simple sweets and acids (which would probably increase the "clean" nature) and the stuff that does contribute a lot is right around the same spot. Where the EK looks like it has a wide peak without many outliers. So it's a big more spread out within the peak, but a lot closer together in general, which would give higher sweetness and higher max tasty ext%. But really I have a hard time saying anything that generalizes about a model of grinder based on one chart with one coffee. Before I aligned my ek43 it would max at about 19% - not even max tastiness, just straight up max. Now it is much higher.

>>7508133
You put the coffee in the carafe, pour water on it, let it sit for four minutes and pour it out through the filter. It's like a French press without the plunging.

>>7512482
Another interesting thing about the 804 results they found was in a later test they did, where they isolated the samples from a given sieve size and tested extraction yields within that sample. They found pretty big deviations in extraction with the 804 compared to the EK43. Which I think is hinting at why the sieving method is inferior to the laser diffraction method. It gives you 0 insight into the distribution within the gap between sieve sizes.

And I'm in Alberta, or it would have been fun to compare results!

>>7512495
Also, looking at this graph it seems absolutely crazy that there are any particles that large (0.8mm) coming out of the ek at an espresso setting.

Also interesting to compare the shape of the peaks in that graph. The EK43 has a fairly unique looking slope. It has a very steep incline on the side where the finer particles are, and a much more gradual slope on the boulder side. The K30 is pretty even on both sides. Perhaps it's that that lets it be so sweet - fewer bits that are finer than the top of the peak, which allows you to get more from the bigger ones.

I take it you guys are pretty coffee elitists.

I've always drunk freeze dried coffee from the supermarket and i've started buying grinds from a coffee delivery service and bought a french press. The coffee tastes a lot better, but i still drink it with milk and sugar. Is this taboo among coffee drinkers? Without it it tastes so... watery, and very bitter

>>7512524
Just drink it how it tastes good to you. Fuck anyone who sells/makes you a cup of coffee and then gets mad when you do with it what you please.

I mean, it sounds like you have a ton of room for improvement. Good coffee won't be like what you described. But you're the one drinking it so do it in a way that tastes good to you.

>>7508884
A fuckton less sediment in an aeropress, and better for single cups

>>7512531
I don't know jack shit about coffee, but i'm a software engineer so i pretty much live off it, i'd like to educate myself a little.

I'm using pact coffee to get my shit. No idea how it is in respect to other coffees.

>>7512524
>Without it it tastes so... watery, and very bitter
I think you'll enjoy it more once you drink it black for a while. Supposedly there's a bit of a transitional phase for people used to milk and sugar.

>>7512575
Any good way to go around this? Or do I just suck it up and accept I won't like my coffee for a while.

>>7512482
What was your alignment process anyway? Same marker and touching the burrs method or something else?

>>7512524
it sounds like you're addicted to sweets more than the coffee taste.

>>7512649
I think you'll just have to learn to like it. I wouldn't really know though, I've always drunk it black since I have a dairy allergy and I hate sweet stuff.

>>7512649
Try taking it slow if you really want to switch to black. Try picking either milk or sugar to get rid of first. Start using less of it.

Keep at it for a couple days, at least, with either milk or sugar gone. If for example you can't stomach it after 2-3 days with no sugar but with milk, switch to normal sugar but less milk. Maybe try the process with different beans. Don't worry too much if it doesn't work out. Maybe you just don't like coffee itself that much in general, and that's alright too. There's always caffeine pills if nothing else.

>>7512649
I just started taking less and less sugar until there wasn't any point trying to put in less than half a tea-spoon. But this wasn't intentional I just stopped liking sugar in it.

has there been an upgrade on the basic moka pot design? i mean something that creates even more pressure, for a blacker espresso?

>>7512886
The thing about moka pots is they're cheap and serviceable.

I don't think any company would want to improve upon the brewing without making the device more expensive and the parts less replaceable.

>>7505532
Yes, nothing wrong with drip as long as you use good beans.

>>7508940
>Because it has no option for paper filtration?
Yes, more of the oils get through, leading to a fuller richer taste

>>7512711
>>7512720
>>7512752
Thanks anons. I have black coffee when we run out of milk at work, so it's not like it's unbearable to me. I'd just like to be able to appreciate the coffee itself a little more. I'll start reducing the amount of sugar and only put in a drop of milk.

Is anyone familiar with Pact Coffee? I dont know if it's just a UK thing, trying to get a bead on if it's worth keeping my subscription if there's better coffee to get. Costing me £6.95 ($10~) for a bag which lasts for about 25 coffees.

>>7512886
you would probably need to make it air tight with a vent that only opens at a specific pressure. That would cost a bit which is probably why we dont have it

buy a percolator or something

>>7512886
A proper espresso machine

>>7512905
So I put the good coffee in the brewer at work and even used a little more coffee than the presized packs it comes with and the coffee came out very bland... Nothing at all like brewing with the v60.

>>7507377
Decent poorfag setup/10

>>7507377
>>7515872
>tfw perfecting the poorfag latte

Hario V60 + Hario Skerton + fresh locally roasted beans (surprisingly cheap) + hot milk foamed in a €7 french press

tfw can't drink coffee anymore cause I get palpitations and start sweating from coffeine

>>7515992
>coffeine
lol

Try decof?

>>7516013
Yeah that's what I'm having on most weekends but it doesn't really taste that good.

Gook gook gook.

There is literally nothing wrong with getting a large drip brew from Starbucks. It is literally often the best option.

>>7516600
Nothing wrong unless you drink it black and dig the taste of brewed charcoal. One thing I'll give Starbucks, the shit wakes you up.

>>7516838
Starbucks uses lighter roasts for their drip. It's way more flavorful than what you'd get in an average French cafe.

>>7516845
Right, but it still has a charcoal flavoring, shit's burnt black. It does what you want coffee to do though consistently, wake you up, I'll give them that. Got me through University night classes without a problem, never failed.

Is it okay to do second infusions with my french press like I do with tea? I have been, and I'm liking the taste.

>>7516017
true. caffeine is like 60% the taste of coffee

I've been drinking several 6-cup moka pots every day for the past year. I can't drink regular strength coffee now cause it's so weak in comparison

>>7515992
>>7516017
Try coffee and chicory, it's got about a third less caffeine.

I've tried maybe 5 different commercial bottled cold brews and pic related is by far the best.

I've been sipping their concentrate straight from the bottle and it's smooth and delicious. I think their non-concentrate stuff would be way too weak though.

>>7517803
This would be my second favorite. Anyone else try cold brew with hops?

I got mine for free and love it, but I definitely wouldn't pay $4 a bottle they charge for it.

>>7516040
My negron.

>>7507377
Did you really have to mention that the beans were wood roasted? Pretentious hipster/10

>>7505693
Makes no difference tbhfamily. I have tried both and the only difference is that the normal method is much more convenient.

>>7505366
is it bad that my shit is the same consistency and colour as that liquid?

>>7507444

Literally what I do every morning. I have never had to shit outside my home for two years now.

I'm struggling to justify a Rancilio Silvia when my V60 makes excellent coffee already.

>>7507444
Yes, I wake up and fire off a shot of espresso with a splash of milk, in a few minutes I'm on the toilet with a big smile on my face.

>>7519487
>needs drugs to use the bathroom
are you 80 by chance

>>7519495
I don't need it, it just comes out smoother.

>>7519447
Don't bother with home spro unless you have plenty of money to spend.

Don't get me wrong, it's nice to have. But it isn't worth the extra thousands when compared to a V60 or the like.

>>7519991
Yeah I guess. The thing that's putting me off is the warm up time since its looking like my v60 is quicker even with manual grinding. I'll focus more on good coffee beans for now. I just wasn't expecting to like the hario as much as I do since I found my moka pot and french press pretty meh.

Is the EK43 worth it?

>>7507377
0/10 for adding milk you dummy

>>7521343
Some machines can heat up pretty quick, or even be left on and ready to pull shots all day. Just need to pick the right thing.

Anyone into home roasting? I use a popcorn popper, and while websites seem to suggest that roasts should take 5-10 minutes, I'm always pulling it by 3 minutes. There also seems to be no break in between first and second crack, making city+ roasts hard to hit. Any suggestions?

anyone here ever work at starbucks? i just applied there

>>7522327
Try a varyac. Get two and you can control the airflow and heat to draw out the duration. Fluid bed roasters are typically faster than drum roasters. Try different batch sizes.

>>7522333
Shit coffee, great place to work.

>>7522463
dope hope i get the job then.

>>7522463
>varyac
Holy shit these are kind of pricy.

>>7522327
Yeah, Roastbee gas drum roaster.

Popcorn poppers are just difficult to get good results from.

>>7522713
How much is that going to cost? Their website says "price on request."

>>7522932
if you have to ask, you can't afford it

>>7522932
Expensive. The Huky 500 and Quest M3 are similarly priced to it. The kaldi is the cheapest at like 375 for hand cranked or 530 for electric.

The only thing cheaper that's any decent is a behemor, and I personally wouldn't get one of those. Not enough control.

>>7517803
>only 8 servings per bottle

Bro do you even vacuum extraction

I can't stop drinking coffee at night. It's so comfy. I don't wanna stop.

>>7523607
>Acidity in coffee is bad
The fuck is this?

>>7523624
Dude who makes it has a sensitive stomach and can't... stomach normal coffee.

>>7523607
>the more caffeine the better

>>7512886
use a pressure cooker

>>7523631
The acidity in coffee has just about 0 to do with the stomach problems associated with coffee. Some of the byproducts of roasting cause the stomach to produce more acid. The acidity that contributes to the flavor is pretty much negligible. Coffee is nearly always 5pH. If the person can have like 3ml of lemon juice, they can have a cup o coffee (if it were the acid in coffee that caused the problem).

>>7523827
Feel free to email him about that.
Posting it here accomplishes literally nothing.

>>7523851
I enjoyed his informative post to be honest.

>>7523827
Hmmm.
I love coffee and I get an upset stomach sometimes.
What should I take? An antacid?

>>7523992
Yes.

>>7523549
>>7522941
That's what I figured. I started roasting to save a little cash on coffee.

Any kalita wave users here? Gonna pick one up for fun.

>>7524858
With how much I drink it'll be a savings in the long term. But I mostly do it for control and being able to keep many pounds of different greens in stock to never run out. And mostly because I enjoy it.

>>7523992
Don't put diary in it if you're doing so. Also look in to cold brew.

I think I might get a Strietman CT-1 with my tax return this year. Can't think of a machine I'd rather own below the Slayer tier prices.

Couple things I wish it did different, but it's the closest machine I've seen to perfect for me.

>>7525641
>2016
>Not giving your tax return to charity
I bet you're a fucking white male aren't you, you privileged bastard.

>>7525646
Privileged as fuck.

I make a shot of espresso a poor african-american obese transgender refugee if I can find one.

GET BOOSTED

whats good cappuccino machine

Wow I fucking love drinking mud every morning.

Thanks French press.
Where would I be without stained teeth and thick black silt at the bottom of my cup?

>>7528926
Consider switching to Turkish coffee

I'm about to go to a cafe and get an espresso for the first time. How can I drink it without looking like a total noob?

>>7529160
>'one espresso please'
>exchange payment for goods
>put in mouth

wala

>>7529160
Avoid pouring it into the eyes or nose. Your mouth would be ideal.

Also the barrista will ask you a few questions as to how exactly you want your shot, but that's before drinking.

>>7529160
It's fo-pa to make any grimacing faces

>>7529160
don't even bother
the barista will know you've never tasted espresso before and will be silently judging you

Pizza

>>7528926
Probably in some sauna sucking dick

What does everyone think of the new Baratza Sette announcement?

>>7529735
what?

>>7529790
A new espresso oriented grinder

How do I make a good cafe mocha?

bump

>>7505488
Gaggia Classic and Lido E is about the bare minimum

>>7505713
Look around online you can get a CC1 and a good grinder for under 1k. Way better than a Silvia that you will probably end up modding and a barely passable espresso grinder like the rocky.

>>7506360
See post about. the Crossland CC1 + grinder combo is probably the best you can do under 1k IMO. Maybe an Astra Pro.

>>7530165
I recommend using only reverse osmosis filtered water in one of those. Hard water will eventually clog it

Im using a Cuisinart em-100, how bad is that?

Local Ethiopian medium roast, cause the dark roast at this place has no origin, though I prob prefer the dark roast.

~40 grams in

>>7529160
>>7529191
>>7529197
>>7529207
>>7529215
I just stood there and swallowed it all in one gulp. Nobody seemed to disapprove. Only problem was I then started licking all the creamy bubbles out of the bottom of the cup while making little grunting noises. I couldn't help it, it was so delicious. The lady who served me looked disgusted.

When I went to the toilet an hour later I saw in the mirror there was a little dried out drop just below my nose. Definitely tasty, but I'll have to get it somewhere else next time.

What types of food do you guys like to combine with your coffee?

I find light and medium roasts go best with sweeter foods like pastries and hot cereal, dark roasts with sandwiches and meat.

>>7530437
Two favourites are pecan plait or lemon cake.

>>7530437
I usually have black coffee on its own between meals. Sometimes I freeze coffee and put it in nicecream.

>>7530437
A cigarette.

>>7530437
Pastries, donuts, and oatmeal

>>7530195
All espresso machines need regular maintenance like descaling and back flushing. RO water isn't recommended though. Look up the SCAA water sheet or google "the insanely long water FAQ"

>>7530195
>>7532895
Or read the Water for Coffee book.

Bialetti master race reporting in

Current blend is 50% Brazil Fazenda do Sertao, 33% Sumatra Lintong Opung James, 17% Burundi Bubanza Ngara, roasted to full city/full city+ range

>>7530165
Cheap espresso machines suck. If you can't or won't pay $400+ for a decent one, you're better off getting a moka pot

>>7532986
Moka pot a shit.

>>7534399
Paper filters a shit.

>>7534423
Enjoy your silt

>>7534399
But pour over is nothing like espresso. Moka pot coffee is

>>7534430
Gotta drink life to the lees, breh.
No time for emasculated coffee.

>>7517803
>cold brew
most terrible coffee meme ever.

>>7528926
>caring about staining your teeth
then don't drink any wine, tea and coffee

>tfw you try to be as non-pleb as possible while remaining very lazy

>>7534399
>>7534423
>>7534430
>>7534439
>>7534444
Isn't it past your bedtime?

>>7534433
Lol no, it's not even remotely close to espresso

>>7534618
>not recognizing dank /a/ memes

Lurk more.

Hey guys I'm pretty new to 4chan and was wondering if you guys could tell me how to reply to a post? Thanks.

>>7534633
Insert the French double chevron character into your post: »
Then manually type out the post № number: 7534633
Don't copy and paste, that hasn't worked since the site redesign.

people in this thread are dumb
I bought a good espresso machine from Macy's for 99$ it was a de longhi and has a steamer/foamer too. and you get get a grinder for like 20$

I usually buy Starbucks coffee and espresso whole bean and grind at home and make white chocolate mochas and macchiatos. Starbucks because it's strong af. but for taste I get some stuff from international markets organic fair trade try different kinds every time.

>>7512050
You take your coffee fucking seriously. I work at a water store and get free reverse osmosis water and also alkaline water (the kind that is basically mineral water, not retard kangen water). I use alkaline kind for making my coffee and its a game changer. you need some dissolved solids in the water to help the coffee extraction. Good stuff anon

>>7512932
I would recommend looking for whole beans from a place that has freshly roasted them. Most will have a roast date on the bag. Once the coffee is a little over month old a notice it turns blacker and starts to taste more bitter and less of its natural flavor. It will be a little more pricy but trust me, It is a true game changer if you are into coffee.

FRESH ROAST

>>7517803
Have you ever tried stump town cold brew?

I've been making coffee with local roasted beans forever but I got a present of this Lavazza stuff yesterday.

Holy shit this caffeine buzz. Feels great. What gives?

>>7534869
It's Lavazza, of course it's going to be good. It's one of the more popular coffee brands in Italy, right next to illy. The Rossa isn't even their high end, but creates creme some people like, try Lavazza Gold most US super market should have it.
>>7512021
>>7512107
Stay poor.

>>7534916
The local stuff is nicer but the caffeine content must be really high. I'll try a few different types.

>>7534869
I believe the red Lavazza has a bunch of Robusta in the blend which has near twice the caffeine content of Arabica, which would explain why you're going fast.

>>7535029
I see. Cool stuff.
>which would explain why you're going fast.
kek

>>7534690
Lol, that isn't close to a good machine, delonghi is complete shit.

>>7534916
Lol what? Poor? Man Lavazza is like twice the price of the stuff I buy or more. And it's trash even if you somehow found a bag roasted the week of purchase.

>>7535287
You're ridiculous, don't even name what you drink and then go on and on bash Lavazza, "cause my freshness" If you knew anything you'd know they pump the bags with what gasses and it stays fresh for stupid long like the day they bagged it up and sold it wholesale. I guess Italy doesn't know anything about coffee, considering its popularity there and elsewhere in Europe. Keep up the good work, one day life will pan out for you.

>>7535325
Single origin espresso roasted either by specialty craft roasters or home roasted in my own gas drum roaster.

Lavazza is garbage that's better as compost than coffee. You're like someone going on about how McDonald's is the best burger in the world since it's the most popular in America. There are plenty of Italians who make decent coffee, the big commercial operations do not.

The gasses do not keep it perfectly fresh either, and even if they did it wouldn't produce a decent shot.

>some guy claimed to like lavazza
>people are actually falling for the bait
This is why coffee threads around here are shit

>>7535385
Thanks for the laugh. Typical.

>>7534916
>stay poor
Funny.
I have an EK43 and use coffee that is probably about 4-8 times as expensive green as that coffee lavazza uses. You're just clueless m8.

Lavazza is low tier garbage.

>>7535325
Italy really is decades behind as far as specialty coffee goes. Sure they invented/popularized espresso coffee. But that was a while ago, and things have changed a lot.

They have shit quality green coffee. They over roast by a ton. They sell it pre-ground which means you are stuck with whatever grind size they picked. It also means that it is guaranteed to be stale the day you buy it, and if it isn't it will be within a few hours of opening it. There's no way around that, and even nitrogen flushing only prolongs shelf life until you open the bag.

Once again, you're clueless.

>>7535667
I really hate to sound like I'm siding with the lavazza idiot, because he's an idiot, but it's probably worth remembering that the overwhelming majority of the coffee consumed by Americans is shit-tier just the same, so are you actually judging the Italian version of Folgers against the finest of the finest American coffee roasted in 8 oz batches by tattooed white girls with art history degrees and sold for $24 a pouch? That seems a little unfair.

Been using a 100$ Breville Roma (with unpressurized basket) for about a year now. Wanted to upgrade for quite some time but its hard to justify spending 1-3K on a coffee setup.

Anyways, I found this machine on Kijiji. A local distributor of espresso machines claimed it had been used for three weeks before the pump failed, and was returned by the customer under warentee. The manufacturer doesn't want it shipped back to Italy so instead they listed it as-is for roughly 30% of original price.

Anyways it turns out the machine had about two years of scale and one of the valves was stuck. Some citric acid and 30 minutes later the machine was in working condition again.

>>7535778
On the plus side, I now have a 1.8L HX E61 machine, but I'm pretty sure somebody was lying to somebody and now I'm not sure if I should replace all the group seals.

>>7535781
For some reason the previous owner really wanted to unscrew the power switch and scratched the front panel. I'm not sure why they would want to remove the power switch because it doesn't achieve anything.


The rest of the machine is in excellent condition so I'd like to repair this surface if possible.

What espresso machine would you get for $2k or less?

Assuming you already own a top end grinder.

I want to start drinking good black coffee, where should i start? thinking about getting an aeropress, is it really as good as i hear it to be?

Pourover setup and a Hario handmill probably familia

>>7536190
french presses are about as good as aeropresses, and more versatile for tea and cold brewing, as long as a little silt doesnt bother you
Both are a very crisp tasting brew. When I started drinking black, I added a very slight sprinkle of salt to the coffee. It cuts the bitterness by miles

>>7535791
>I'm not sure why they would want to remove the power switch because it doesn't achieve anything.

Probably wanted some retarded novelty switch.

>>7536235
French press is literally the opposite of crisp. The only way to get less crisp is with boiled unfiltered coffee.

>>7536235
i only plan to make 1 serving at a time so i guess aeropress is worth it then right? and can i actually make an espresso with it or is that just a meme?

>>7536248
ok friend
>>7536250
Yeah youd probably be better with an areopress

>>7536259
ehh i think il just get a generic 20$ french press at a local store instead of something i have to order online for 40$

>>7536351
>>7536259
well unless the aeropress actually can make an espresso, then i could make lattes and cappuccinos...

>>7536250
>>7536370
You can not make espresso with it. But for a latte it plus a bellman stovetop steamer will be really close. Not so much for a cappuccino.

>>7536250
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehFa6wJUWj0
How to make an espresso with an aeropress.
It works really well.

>>7537419
Not an espresso in any sense.

Thinking of trying Happy Mug. What should I get? The espresso blend, Indian, and Pacific blend all sound neat. I'll be brewing in a moka

>>7536351
$40 in terms of coffee equipment isn't much at all. Consider that you can't really break an aero press and that they're actually fun to use. Plus french press is for silt drinking fags who have never tried anything better. I've retired mine from coffee making and now only use it for making frothy hot chocolate for my girlfriend.

>>7536044
Rocket. Just pick the best Rocket machine you can afford.

>>7510370
I thought the water wasn't supposed to go over the valve? That's what it said online and on the packaging.

I don't really know shit though, I don't even grind my beans fresh when I use mine

>>7538549
>I thought the water wasn't supposed to go over the valve? That's what it said online and on the packaging.

FUCK DA POLICE

But nah, nothing bad happens if it goes over valve.

I think it's only a bad sign if some water is displaced when you put on the funnel (with the grounds).

>>7538385
what do you use for coffee making then?

>>7538736
He's a paid Aeropress shill.
He's here every single thread pushing that shit without fail.

>>7538736
>>7538744
Hario v60 or kalita wave.

>>7538807
is it actually any good? seems just like any other manual drip coffee, or is this just some hipster shit?

>>7538834
I really like it. I enjoy the entire process of making coffee with it and cleaning is literally throwing a filter into a compost bin. Taste is good, especially if you put effort into making it. I'd at least consider one they're not expensive.

>>7507396
I had the same issue. Try again with higher temp.

>>7538976
i mean wouldn't the quality of the coffee be almost identical to any generic auto drip machine?

>>7538834
All manual drippers are roughly the same. Your brew device really won't make a ton of difference.

>>7538385
>Silt. Drinking. Fags.

>>7538566
>creating a potential pipe bomb every time you make coffee

>>7538148
>tfw no happy mug because no debit card
Any coffee would probably come out delicious. Although a lighter roasted coffee might be too acidic in a moka pot. I would probably pick something with chocolate in the tasting notes if I only had a moka pot.

>>7539592
memebrik

Guys, in your experience, what is the best way to brew coffee and give the best results.

>>7539650
Do they not sell those gift cards that act like non-refillable debit cards in your area? It'll cost like $6 to activate but it might be worth the extra cost if you fill it with enough funding to get more than one pound of coffee.

>>7539196
No they taste different. Probably the only machine similar to the pour over method is the chemex ottomatic. I get that the paper with coffee in it is the same principal but nothing else really. Not all espresso machines and french presses are the same etc.

Pour over offers control over a lot of things like pour rate and water temperature which do change the final cup. Honestly just look at some seattle coffee videos on the pour over.

>>7539825
What the hell do you mean "best", each method is very different

The only objectively bad choice is automatic drippers.

>>7540292
There is literally nothing wrong with automatic drippers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j4Q_YBRJEI

>>7539196
No not really. The same way you get different results from different espresso machines and french presses. The difference with manual pour overs is you get to control more of the variables like water temp and pour rate. Probably the only machine with similar results to a manual is the chemex ottomatic.

>>7539650
You don't think the pressure valve will open if there's water?

bought myself a shitty espresso machine
how i make good coffee?

>>7540292
>The only objectively bad choice is automatic drippers.
Rude.

>>7540292
They're better than worst percolators?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCu8v9V8EY

>>7541060
The moka pots pump out anywhere from 1.5 to 2 bar, that's anywhere from 22 to 30psi.

What if there's some ground coffee in the water, or some other fine large particle that clog the valve, grinds packed too tight or very fine, pressure builds up from the grind shooting up and solidifying in the collection chamber opening, then what? The moka pots pump out anywhere from 1.5 to 2 bar, that's anywhere from 22 to 30psi.

I'm talking out my ass, but now picture the collection chamber clogging, pressure builds up, steam nowhere to go, water is covering/past valve, grinds start going through filter into water below, they clog the safety valve, pressure builds up and nowhere to go. If the water weren't past the valve, no possibility of grinds clogging the valve, right? It'll exhaust, but if grinds end up in mix they may clog it.

>>7541142
I have seen grinds in the water (post brew), so that is a concern.

>>7541168
Ok now, water past valve, grinds can clog it, not past valve, maybe they can't. Some asshole even made a video about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osQ1Zb5fYZY

Who here lazy? The strong setting is a little weak for my taste but you can adjust the water down and get it nice and strong. does a great job with my Jamaican Blue and I dont have to get up early to fuck with it.

>>7541114
Pre ground Starbucks is the only way to guarantee nice coffee from espresso machines.

But jokes aside just get fresh coffee beans and a cheap grinder like the hario skerton. This means freshly ground coffee and adjustable courseness so you can fine tune your shots.

>>7538392
If this is the best pump machines have to offer in the 2k range I was right to assume I'm uninterested in ever leaving levers.

Thanks for the reaffirmation, will continue as planned.

>>7541231
I have no idea if they're the best I just really like them.

>>7541205
I got one too, it's noisy. The insulated pot is great too, keeps coffee hot for quite a while, and there's no heating element needed on the bottom to keep it that way, so that's a plus. I just use it a few times a year or when I have people over, who am I kidding, I have no friends and no one loves me.

>>7541214
>cheap hand grinder
>for espresso
The Skerton is nowhere near adjustable enough for espresso purposes, on top of the fact that grinding fine enough for espresso on a hand grinder would be a pain in the ass.

>>7541177
Was kinda hoping it was a video OF the explosion.

>>7541279
What other options are there?

>>7541275
the bottom of the pot isnt vacuum insulated and there is a heating element but it just runs a little longer than it takes to brew the coffee to heat the coffee up to a temperature that will hold till about noon usually without cooking the coffee to a bitter mess. I really like it. It is loud as hell though I use it as an alarm clock.

It gets the job done.

>>7541324
does it take little cups or can you use any coffe you want?

what is the cheapest way to make an espresso? does a moka pot actually work well?

>>7541544
if you aren't spending $500 on a decent espresso machine then moka pot is the way to go.
It isn't espresso and it will probably be 5 minutes before some bourgeois asshole gives you a (you) saying IT'S NOT ESPRESSO IT ISN'T EVEN CLOSE TO ESPRESSO MOKA POT COFFEE HAS MORE IN COMMON WITH APPLE JUICE THEN IT DOES WIH ESPRESSO but you can make some pretty good lattes and americanos with a moka pot with a different taste han you would get with an espresso
just make sure you get a bit coarser of a grind then you would do for an espresso machine and keep the heat on medium-low

>>7541644
thanks.

>>7541651
Pic related is your poor boy cafe setup
If you have a french press you can foam milk with that too but it doesnt have the same consistency as steamed milk. I work in the middle of the woods during the summer so espresso machines are impossible.

Someone help a newfag out
I tried cafe bustelo with a moka pot and everytime I brew it, it come out tasting slighty bitter then like water after.

I just want some strong tasty coffee mans

>>7541644
Quality post. The difference between a moka pot and a cheap espresso machine is that while neither taste like the espresso you'd get a nice cafe, the moka makes coffee that's still good in its own right while the espresso machine just makes mediocre-at-best espresso. The other difference is that the absolute cheapest, shittiest espresso maker on Amazon is still nearly double what I paid for my moka.

>>7541544
>>7541644
Just make sure your hob isn't the electric type that pulses at low heats because you'll never be able to brew on it. Not a fan of moka pots at all but if you're dead set on making "espresso" shots for some reason then that's fine.

Better than a french press anyway.

>>7541832
I brew on exactly that type nearly every day without any problems

>>7541848
Wizard.

>>7541329
Little cups.

>>7541854
I also start on high heat

whats wrong with using the k-cups that u can fill with ur own ground coffee?

>>7541894

>>7541906
ebin response

>>7541894
My only problem with those stupid pods is how much waste they create. I've never tried one of the re-usable pods but if it tastes good enough then why not?

I'm pretty sure the brands of those machines use the same logic as the people who produce cheap inkjets like HP - sell the equipment cheap and make the money back from the cartridges. Taking advantage of this seems like a cool idea.

>>7541919
Except they aren't cheap at all

>>7541938
Are they not? They sell Bosch Tassimo machines where I live for 50 euro I just presumed the k-cup machines were similar.

Inspired me to dig out the espresso maker and French press in the cubpard. Gonna wash them out and break them in again tomorrow

>>7541942
The cheapest ones are $60 on Amazon. That's nothing compared to what some people here spend on their setups but you can get a decent drip machine for less, and it'll probably last longer

>>7541655
did you smear smegma on the lens before you took that picture?

>>7541753
Idk man Bustelo is ass in spite of what hipsters and your latino grandpa might say. Try tamping the coffee down to fit more coffee in, but don't tamp too hard.

Reminder that if when you ask for a coffee in your country you dont get an expresso you live in a shit tier country

>>7543876
i meant, '' if what is generally percieved as a 'standard' coffee isnt expresso''

>>7543876
What if your country is so shit tier that it thinks espresso is "expresso."

Why do I want so bad?

>>7544203
we dont call it that, just coffee

>>7508325
Prefer it to a GS3?

>>7544318
Is that a fishing rod holder or a refractometer?

>>7543876
when I was working as a barista on a tourist route in ontario canada (not far from quebec) we occassionally got french tourists who you couldnt pick out from the quebecois because they're both ignorant pricks, and holy shit would they flip shit over them ordering the wrong thing when everything was clearly marked.

still not as bad as americans who'd cry about how they can get a 2 litre soda for a dollar across the border and up here a human sized cup was 2 dollars.

any of you who work as baristas right now i hope you have a good day and dont shoot yourself until you get out of being a barista because there is no way anyone can enjoy making coffee for people who don't understand coffee

never again never again never again

>>7541753
you don't actually need any special equipment to make good coffee you just need to have a basic understanding of extraction
coffee filter in the top of a tall narrow mug still stands to be the best cup of coffee I've ever had
water repeatedly poured till foamed near the rim, lots of patience.
literally made by a hobo with mass produced gas station coffee

>>7544412
A grinder. Single dose unimodal espresso grinder. Damn expensive one unfortunately.

>>7528926
Get a better french press.

pic is all that remains from a cup out of my french press.

>>7528942
>>7539592
does anyone actually /turkish/ here? Its one of my favorite variants of coffee. thick, spiced, and sweet. I've just been making it on the stovetop, but have been considering buying a proper grinder (they're cheap as fuck on amazon) and a cezve. I may also be able to source proper turkish coffee in my city if I poke around the turkish shops

All french presses do the same shit.

It's the quality of the plunger and the metal filter that makes them more expensive.