/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>6942018
It is literally an attempt to feed our overpopulated planet.

>wealthy
Mass produced shit caters to the poor.

>>6942018

My Sister works for the S&P500. She sent me pictures of the retards at Occupy.

Funny thing about Occupy was that Sabu (king snitch) started that entire movement while under the custody of the FBI after being v&. He flipped and ratted on everyone in Lulzsec, founding Antisec with the US government. Those are facts, not a conspiracy theory.

Occupy was a joke. People protesting big business, while selling shit to each other, consuming enmasse all from behind masks Hollywood sold them.

Guido Fawkes was a massive failfag and I have absolutely no idea why he's associated with anonymous. At all. After England separated from the Vatican and founded their own church, the tithings stopped flooding into Rome out of English pockets, so the Vatican sent Guido in to destabilize the newly founded free Nation. He failed, even with help from within England he still managed to fail.

Back on topic, GMO's are terrible for you. Very few "natural" GMO's exist, go away Monsanto shill.

>>6942048
What's so terrible about GMOs?

>>6942053
>stupid people eat them because the government tell them it's safe to do so.
>MFW: 20 years down the line

>>6942048
>Very few "natural" GMO's exist
Yea, except everything we eat is a product of selective breeding.

Please kill yourself

>>6942069

Not really. Hence why heirloom seeds cost more than gold compared by weight.

>>6942073
Jesus fucking Christ. Do you believe that the earth is 2015 years old?

>>6942076

No, it's billions of years old.

What's with people constantly bringing up religious arguments on this board?

Protip: Christ fags believe the world is little over 5,000 years old.

Go back to your containment board please.

>science is kewl, hail dawkins
Reddit science: the logic

>>6942069
>allowing plants to breed with each other is the same as tinkering with a plant's genetic structure to make it resistant to an weed killer that you happen to sell.

Sure. OK.

>>6942073
>>6942086
Great shit,bro

Here. This is what they give you in Anthropology 101
http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Germs-Steel-Fates-Societies/dp/0393317552

>>6942100
>allowing plants
You missed the word "selective"

>only the very wealthy have a right to a safe, reliable food supply

Prove this wrong.

Reminder that the pro-GMO posters aren't so much as pro-GMO as they are making anti-GMO people mad.

If you find rational discourse is impossible, leave the thread. Posting in response to their obvious baiting just makes you look foolish.

>>6942107
first, prove that whole foods is healthier than king soopers

>>6942018
>implying it's either "eat shit" or "hunger"
I remember a time when quality was a factor too

>>6942061
You forgot a face so i'll provide one for you
<-- you

The problem isn't GMOs. It's RoundUp, and the idea of one corporation owning the entire world's food stock.

How the fuck is putting control of our food supply into the hands of one group of rich sociopaths a good idea at all?

>>6942107
>privileges of wealth

This is actually a completely different discussion: is it possible to resolve the notion that things like housing, food, water, education, health care, security are basic human rights while perpetuating a system that drives people via the implicit threat that these things established to be basic human rights can be taken away from the least productive members of society?

>>6942107
No one has any rights. Where is the proof that you have the right to even breathe? It doesn't exist, because rights are just concepts.

>>6942101

Guns and steel have nothing to do with food, neither does anthropology...so...again I must suggest that you take your /pol/ or /b/ tier retardism back there.

Much appreciated.

>>6942134
Well, at least read something before you open your mouth.

>>6942121

>human rights

The very concept violates the very rules nature itself dictates for survival.

99% of anything that's ever lived on earth, whether flora or fauna is now extinct. What entitles the weak to the benefit of the strong? Feelings? Really...

>>6942137

I'll pass.

>>6942120
The characters to be found in every thread of this type:

>any and all kind of manipulation of plants is wrong
Divorced from reality

>"traditional" cross-breeding and hybridization is OK, but modern gene-manipulation is wrong
Luddites

>altering plants to produce higher yields/be hardier/be more drought or pest resistant is fine, but allowing companies to patent and control the resultant seed bank when the new strains mix in the wild with existing strains is wrong
Reasonable. They rarely actually post/might not actually exist

>What's wrong with allowing a company to control a seed bank? They developed the seeds, and spent money developing them. If our super-seeds breed with your normal seeds and you grow productive plants from our super-seeds, why shouldn't we get a cut?
Monsanto shareholders.

>>6942143
How was the Philosophy 101 this semester? I bet you totally convinced that faggy TA that Ayn Rand is totally right.

>>6942101

>read what I learned in my liberal arts university
>I work in a restaurant now though

I don't need suggestions from a failure.

>>6942143

>>6942152

I'm a 31yo chef, vocational training seemed more lucrative than standard academics and the careers they provide, see: >>6942153

>>6942148
Have fun.

>>6942153
You're hilarious. Where do you learn how to project like that? In /r9k/ school?

>>6942159
>being over 30
>still posting on 4chan
>"chef" posting on the "is bacon still le ebig meme?" board

Tell us where it all went wrong, anon, that we may learn from your mistakes.

>>6942162

Ad hom, back2/b/

>>6942150
I don't understand how these arguments still exist

>>6942163

I just said what you said.

Explain why you're a failure. That's a better discussion.

>>6942164
Here's a (You)

>>6942167
>n-no you.

Seriously, though, I'm happy for you that you've found your calling. I'm sure Applebee's has great benefits

>>6942168

Ok.

>>6942165
In what regard? Those arguments will exist so long as the GMO food issue exists, irrespective of whether you personally identify with any of them.

>>6942170

You rebranded what I originally stated. So again...I must insist on asking why you thought liberal arts was a smart choice while matriculating.

You should learn to stand on your own two feet and ride coat tails less anon, the world doesn't need another yes man.


:^)

Yeah, so Roundup is poisonous, or it wouldn't kill bugs. Bugs eat and spoil food. So killing bugs is a way to keep the food for humans.

Aside from the enormous wasteage in the OECD nations, preventing the bugs from eating the food is one of the ways farmers feed the world.

So is burning fossil fuels. Which is how food reaches the world's poorest people, as well as the middle and the top.

What I never hear is if the tree huggers could have their way tomorrow, how do they prevent the starvation of over a billion people?

Burn down the Taiga, the Boreal forest and the Amazon for crop land?

Because that's how much land you need to replace. And without petro, you still can't move the new food to the people who need it.

Additionally, many genetic modifications are for drought tolerance, because the same huggers are on about global warming, which they say will devastate agriculture.

I guess GMOs are OK, as long as you are not the one starving.

http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/522596/why-we-will-need-genetically-modified-foods/

>>6942159
So you're the guy who prepares other people's food for them, muttering to himself about how human rights is a myth?

Wow.

>>6942178
Math and economics double-major, champ. I cook for fun, not for minimum wage. Thanks for playing, sorry it didn't work out for you, but here's a response and an imagememe.

>>6942186

Why is 99% of anything that's ever lived on this planet now extinct if it has a right to live?

I have the patience to wait for your answer.

>>6942191

>N-NO I'M NOT A LOSER
>I C-C-COOK FOR FUN!!!
>STOP BULLYING ME

whatever you say anon...no idea why you're trying to impress people on the internet.

>>6942185
The concern will always exist, or at least exist in the near-term about how something that kills bugs doesn't eventually kill us if we're being dosed with it over the course of our lives.

Obviously, pesticides are generally well-tuned to kill bugs, but "it's poison" is something that will always make people nervous.

The key to resolving the discussion will be openness and education, not demagoguery.

>>6942173
> GMO food issue
The issues are luddites and big business practices.

Op here. How do I delete this?

>>6942192
>why do things die?
Are you actually asking why living beings aren't immortal?

I suppose it's tangentially-related to genetic modification.

>>6942134
Freals, though. Read it.

>>6942192
You asked a stupid question and yet you expect a non-stupid answer. Sorry, anon, that's not possible anywhere, let alone 4chins.

>>6942206

No I'm trying to figure out why people deserve to live more than 99% of anything that's ever lived on this planet.

You said "human rights" when in fact nothing is guaranteed safe passage through life on thus dust ball...

So again...I will ask...what makes people special when everything else that's ever lived here is now dead?

>>6942209

I'll pass.

>>6942219
See
>>6942221

Just because you think you're better than dinosaurs doesn't make it true. Why should you aide others survival?

I think you're just soft emotionally speaking.

>>6942202
that's two questions: "is the value of a new technology worth the price we pay for it, and how confident are we that we even know the full price in the first place?"; and "does corporate responsibility exist beyond its need to create profit for its shareholders?"

>>6942150
We do exist, man. We're just a tiny fucking minority, because common sense and a system of ethics rarely exist within the same people.

>>6942225
Why are certain people so content with being morons?

Is ignorance really bliss? Why would you not want to constantly learn throughout your life?

>>6942225
Not who you're talking too, but GG&S is a great book. Diamond is a geography professor, not an anthropologist.

>>6942249
>Is ignorance really bliss? Why would you not want to constantly learn throughout your life?

If you dig your heels in on a position, you can always feel righteous if you don't know how factually correct your argument may be. If you're constantly learning, then you'll feel like an asshole when you remember how stubborn you were about something you were obviously wrong about back then.

Of course, people who are lifelong learners tend not to stubbornly cling to an argument since they've spent their lives seeing how just about every argument eventually gets poked full of holes.

>>6942249

>why don't people agree with everything I say

Not everyone is polarized like you, that's why.

>>6942250

Again, I'll pass. Thanks for the suggestion.

>>6942257
>polarized
Says the guy that refuses to read a book

And another thing. When I look at alternate solutions, I get things like "one rooftop garden can grow enough vegetables for 9000 people."

First of all - you don't get to dictate what "enough" means. For anybody. That's what money and taxation are for.

Second - where's my zoning variance to raise hogs, chickens, and beef cattle on my own rooftop? Oh it's because these huggers are always vegans trying to impose their food tyranny (and malnutrition) on everybody else.

The population will be 9 billion soon. How are the people of India, Africa and China going to manage their 1 million new vegan veggie gardens, and where is the water coming from?

The Yangtze? Yellow? Indus? Ganges?

>>6942134
>Guns and steel have nothing to do with food, neither does anthropology...
hahahaha

>>6942278
not that guy, but you're the one who gets emotionally invested in shitposting arguments on fucking 4chan

if you care, you've already lost

>>6942287
Well memed

>>6942289
You're the only meme here, friend.

>>6942018
>went to the best ag school in the worlt for horticulture/genetics (look it up)
>these threads make me kek eternally
ama I guess

>>6942278

>w-why won't you read muh shitty book

You're worse than a Christan evangelical, a lot of persistent as well.

As previously stated I didn't obtain a "hugs and kisses" degree from a Marxist echo-chamber, I studied something that matters in the 21st century on a global scale. I don't need to speak the language of the countries I work in. My skill-set is coveted regardless.

Why YOU chose to study the same things as everyone else within your demographic is perplexing...it's like you wanted to fail, get into huge debt and move back to your childhood home.

>>6942298
btfo the fuck blown the fo fuck blow the out b

>>6942298
Your projection is remarkable. Sounds like you work with your hands.

>>6942311
REKT'DED

>>6942311

>implying you work with you penis

Yer shit was rekt homie move on

>>6942026
Way to completely misunderstand the rhetoric. Good job.

And now, reading through the thread, I see a lot of you have misunderstand what OP was saying. Dear me, have you all remedial-tier reading comprehension skills?

How embarrassing.

>>6942317
So, what is your stance?

>>6942287
>>6942315
>claiming to have won an internet argument
>2015
m8...

>>6942315
Are you 12 and don't know what this is?

>>6942329

>imblying I ddnt
>herp derp Samefag Herrrr HERRRRRRR

>>6942331

Sure, let's go with that.

>>6942342
Noone even implied samefag

I always figured GMO hate was ignorant people resisting science and progress like they always have, and, as usual, they'll eventually be dragged kicking and screaming into the new age no matter how much they scream about vaccines giving them autism.
I don't hate these people, I just wish there was a better education system in place so we didn't have to deal with them every generation.

>>6942352

Of course not. Of course not...

Why did you study something that can be outsourced to the 3rd and 4th world?

>>6942361
Where do you get these projection skills from? Years of denial and sadness?

>>6942018
>only the very wealthy have a right to a safe, reliable food supply.
I'm OK with this. Everybody else seems quite happy eating commodity grade stuff as long as it's cheap. Those with enough money to spend sometimes choose to do better. Nothing wrong with that.

>>6942364

>implying

You're like a parrot, mindlessly repeating other things they heard somewhere a few times.

You're also funny.

:^)

>>6942385
This. Everyone deserves to eat, but no one deserves caviar. If you can put a system in place that allows the wealthy to eat the food that they can afford and prevents everyone else from starving to death, then great.

>>6942361
is this neckbeard from /g/ or /pol/

?

>>6942018
>Discuss.

I didn't realize this was university.

You should probably fuck off back to reddit.

>>6942364
Of course, he's an uneducated, short-order cook and rapidly approaching middle age. (This is where he'll probably chime in with a tall tale about having a hot wife and a house and kids and all that.)

His dreams have been stomped on so hard he's at the point where he feels life is meaningless.

How would you feel?

>>6942395

>everyone deserves to eat

Says who? Nature doesn't dictate that, we're just apes afterall anon.

>>6942324
I'm kind of a hippie at heart, though I regrettably agree with what OP is implying: until something better comes along, factory farming, GMOs etc are a necessary evil to feed a hungry planet of over seven billion. That, and waste reduction.

I heard last year, watching Food & Drink, that half of all food purchased in the UK winds up in the bin. This implies that for every gram eaten, another gram is wasted.

I don't know how true it is, but assume this: the average person in the West eats about 650g of food (uncooked weight) daily when you combine breakfast, lunch, dinner and snacks.
Given a population of sixty-four million, that's over 15 million tonnes of food in the bin annually.

Also: >>6942317
>have misunderstand
Derp.
>have misunderstood
Fix'd. Not sure where that brainfart was going.

>>6942392
Just in case you weren't aware, everything you've ever said is a repeat. That's how you learned how to say it. Ignorant remarks obviously included.

>>6942398

>still trying

>>6942406

>>6942409
*ding* Order up!

>>6942408
Don't correct yourself. This isn't reddit. We get what you were getting at.

>mfw the majority of cu/ck/s are seriously against GMOs

You guys really are fucking stupid sheep.

>>6942416
Why do you insist that I work in a kitchen? Is that what you're afraid of?

>>6942423
Joke's on him, you don't have a job at all.

>>6942395
>If you can put a system in place that allows the wealthy to eat the food that they can afford and prevents everyone else from starving to death, then great.
Right. But it also makes sense for those who can afford it to be against eating commodity grade stuff. Especially when you look st the shape of the people eating it. When cheap food is causing an epidemic of obesity among the masses those with the money to do so might well choose to avoid eating it whenever possible.

>>6942418
Reddit does that? Wouldn't know as I've never been.

>>6942018
I agree. When people make these arguments I immedialty think they're self serving elitist with no care for anyone but themselves.

>>6942405

Nope just didn't study the same useless shit the millenials studied. 70% of you move back home after graduation and have 60k in debt. That's just the average.

I DO in fact have kids, why don't you anon? Is poverty the reason women don't find you attractive or is it crippling social retardation?

Pic related, kinda.

>>6942428
Just 80k a year correcting hospital claims so your mother's insurance pays when you go in because you have gout and "depression"

>>6942409

>u won't read my book
> u ignant mayne

Shut up already

>>6942449
Wow. Being a midget AND having to go through chemo... your poor wife/girlfriend. She looks so pale and sickly in that pic. I'd hug her, too, in the hopes she'd feel better.

>>6942449
If you're going to be an actual father, you should play Half-Life 2 Episode 2 instead of shitposting and arguing on 4chan, you fucking moron.

>>6942457
You might as well step outside with "I'm an ignorant moron" written on your forehead in Sharpie

>>6942449
This is why you shouldn't post pics of yourself on the internet.

I'm not even annoyed with you anymore, I'm just overwhelmed by a sense of pity.

You look stupid, your kid looks stupid, your tattoos and shitty furniture (and kid, tbh) suggest a lifetime of stupid decisions.

I'm sure you had so much potential too.

Life is truly unfair sometimes.

>>6942461
>>6942464
>>6942469
>>6942489

>why aren't you obese like me

All I read, sorry women don't find you attractive guys

>>6942501
You're hilarious

>>6942505

Thanks. Most obese people are funny too, why aren't you?

>>6942509
Where'd your dream up the obese notion? You need some thicker straws to grasp at.

>>6942501
>undefined arms, chubby cheeks, beard to stand-in for a jawline
Dude, you're pretty fat yourself.

>>6942516

Your response is my validation.

>>6942522

Whatever you say...

>>6942523
Not at all, m8. I'd be on /fit/ if I was a queer.

>>6942528
Since you've already posted a pic of yourself, post a pic without your shirt on. Prove that you're not a fatty.

>>6942536
See
>>6942528

>>6942539

>I want to see you naked

Male hostess spotted, FoH staff are always faggots.

>>6942542
I'm not sure you understand how responses work

>>6942549
>homophobic ad hominem attacks
Thanks for confirming you're a pasty fat fuck.

>>6942549
>he works in a kitchen

>>6942557

>Homophobic

Literally a faggot, also millenial.

Sorry your libreal arts degree led you to waiting tables.

>>6942559
See
>>6942523

2ez

>>6942553

>you're not reacting the way I want
>WAHHHHHHHHH

>>6942562
The waitresses make more in 4 hours you than do back in the shithole making $8.75 for 12 hours a day, friend.

>>6942574

>implying I work in a restaurant

Not for 8 years, moved on to better things.

>>6942564
>>6942569
>I'm not retarded, I'm just trolling!

>>6942574

Butthurt staffer spotted.

>p-please tip me even though I was on my phone half my shift

TOPMOTHERFUCKINGKEK

>>6942562
>needing me to have a liberal arts degree and a service sector job so bad
My masters in computer science and engineering career really messes with your "hurr college degree ain't worth nuthin" narrative.

>inb4 enjoy debt
yeah, debt sucked, but it only took two years to pay it off

>>6942588
Where'd you come up with that?

>>6942584
See
>>6942528

>>6942580
>haven't worked in 8 years moved on to better things.
Like welfare fraud

>>6942592
Those two posts you tried to put together so eloquently did not work. At all.

>>6942590

>being this insecure.

I don't need your life story you fat faggot. You're lying anyway, not worth listening to or reading.

>>6942594
See
>>6942528

Look who's projecting now.

>>6942598

Kthnx

>>6942464

I don't get it but thanks for the general sadness I'm now feeling.

Eli.. ( ,_,)

>>6942591

It's your life, that's where I got it.

>>6942605
You do realize that you're talking to at least 5 different people that think you're an idiot, right?

It's time to stop and reflect.

>>6942599
still worth responding to, apparently.

>hurr you're lying
but you're not about your 80k job that you got with only a high school diploma.

See
>>6942528

Worst thread on /ck/ isn't a fast food thread for once!

>>6942621
>>6942620

>>6942620
I love these kind of threads. I love watching someone get piled-on and he starts fighting everyone so furiously he doesn't even know who he's responding to anymore.

>>6942150
Looks like this thread has totally derailed, but I'll chime in cuz it's fürchon. Normally I'd put myself in 3, but in practical terms 3&4 are the same thing. Nobody other than companies like monsanto are making GMO crops. Why? I have no idea, but I would imagine that there's a rate of diminishing returns to using super intensive crops vs more traditional methods, and that there's a lot of things that are particular to a given location that make a bigger difference with crop yields.

There's a parallel with pharmaceuticals. A few companies control the supplies of drugs (even when there are generics, because of lobbying for "quality controls", i.e., we're the only ones that can make it), and so drugs that should be cheap and supplied by a competitive market aren't.

Even if you go down the road of "genes are IP", (which is kind of insane, but OK), there are so many fucked up things with our current IP law, you have to take a breather and be like, "yeah, some shit stinks here".

tl;dr, gmos are practically only used by agricultural companies to maintain and abuse their monopoly power, so no i don't like them.

>>6942018
>trying to use class-ism to gain support for your idiotic movement

>>6942632
Pack animal mentality tbh.
Are you black?

>>6942501
I never said anything about your or obesity, Anon. All I said was that your wife/girlfriend's bald chemo head is a hard thing to deal with, nevermind that she's also an infant-sized "little person."
You're a saint for not only being with a little person and even having children with one, but also for sticking with her in her time of cancer. Good on you, Anon.
Good on you.

>>6942675
>gmos are practically only used by agricultural companies to maintain and abuse their monopoly power, so no i don't like them.
This. If the technology were being used to feed the poor I'd be all for it. But it's being used to maintain monopolies by companies that profit from churning out the kind of cheap shitty food that makes the poor obese.

That's two pretty big strikes against it.

>>6942675
>Nobody other than companies like monsanto are making GMO crops. Why? I have no idea

It's probably because it's both very expensive to develop the organism, but then also requires a lot of capital to defend that IP.

Imagine you're a company that made a great new strain of wheat. You've spent millions developing this strain and, naturally, it's your right to control who gets to grow it. But the wheat doesn't know that and spreads into every other farmer's field, including the ones that didn't pay you for the seeds.

If you're Monsanto, you start suing the farmers whose fields were invaded by your crops. You don't have to worry about actually getting a decision in or against your favor since all you have to do is delay and delay in court and the legal fees pile up. Eventually, the small schmuck farmer can't afford to keep showing up in court and he is forced to settle (and is now broke and has to sell his farm, typically to a major agri-company that you are friendly with.)

Personally, I don't have anything against GMOs one way or the other, but I dislike business practices like that.

>>6942845
That's all true, but you'd think there'd be some other business model around it, or non-profits doing the research and licensing the IP for free. I don't know how expensive that sort of research is, but it can't be that much, especially in 2015 when money is frothing into every possibly stupid venture.

So I guess my point is, since there is no other apparent business model, maybe it's not worthwhile to anyone but companies like monsanto? or that the supposed improved productivity doesn't outweigh the costs involved (or that productivity is a lot more complicated than just the seed input).

>>6942845
>You've spent millions developing this strain and, naturally, it's your right to control who gets to grow it.
That's where the logic falls apart. Because this thing you developed is a living organism that you've managed to patent the genetic code of. That's absurd.

It's equally absurd that the only reason you spent that money developing that patented organism was to make it immune to the toxic shit you also sell them to spray on the fields.

So there are really two strikes against Monsanto here. First, they used their lobbying power to get the absolutely fucking absurd concept that you can patent the genetic code of an organism written into law.

Then they used that law to corner the seed market so they could get down with their main gig, which is selling noxious poison. They've been so successful at this that traces of that poison are all over the place, and surprise, it turns out to be more dangerous than what they would have us believe.

That's just fucking great. I feel so good about this company and what they do.

>>6942880
>I don't know how expensive that sort of research is, but it can't be that much

A study from 2011 suggests it costs about 136mil USD to research and develop and 13 years before it is commercialized.

https://croplife.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Getting-a-Biotech-Crop-to-Market-Phillips-McDougall-Study.pdf

So you pretty much have to be rich to even think about getting into the game. That eliminates a lot of non-profits who are trying to do stuff for the good of all mankind.

I'm sure if you had patient financial backing, you could develop some drought-resistant crop for impoverished in exchange for exclusive mineral rights to that country for the next hundred years.

>>6942048
>GMO's are terrible for you
Please cite this claim.

>>6942620

5 retards?

That's cool, take your social justice shit elsewhere.

>>6942907
>That's where the logic falls apart. Because this thing you developed is a living organism that you've managed to patent the genetic code of. That's absurd.
>It's equally absurd that the only reason you spent that money developing that patented organism was to make it immune to the toxic shit you also sell them to spray on the fields.

I disagree. While you may have created a living organism, you created it. You built it. It's yours. If you spent millions developing it, why shouldn't you profit from it.

Additionally, the toxicity of the RoundUp ready crops is unknown to humans (though I've read that it's not all that great for bees.) The idea is solid, though. You create an incredibly strong weed killer, then create a crop immune to it. Without the weeds to take nutrients and water from the actual crop, you're increasing your yield per acre.

The behavior of Monsanto doesn't really invalidate the entire idea of the product. The company is acting unethically, it's not really the idea that is unethical.

>>6942744

>blah blah blah I'm a giant faggot

Way to stay in topic

>>6942919
GMOs are designed to be immune to glyphosate, and they're grown sprayed with the stuff. We're now finding out this shit is no good for you. So GMO crops with traces of the stuff all over them are no good for you.

Pretty simple.

>>6942919

Science. Also common sense. We don't clone people for a reason, it's unsafe and testing nature. Don't be a faggot and talk about God please.

>>6942935
Anon asked for a citation. Not your opinion of what is or isn't good for you, or what you heard of from these "we're" people.

>the very wealthy

Eat a bunch of frozen shit, don't they?

>>6942935
That's a particular GMO, not all GMOs.

Eliminating an entire idea of agriculture is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We just need to be a little more diligent about what we create, perhaps by not letting the companies that create the product also be the regulatory body of that same product.

>>6942948

>muh only certain ones will kill yeh argument
>breathing certain kinds of air will kill yeh too
>muh tinfoil hat is on too tight
>I literally work for Monsanto

^that you

:^)
>

>>6942931
>If you spent millions developing it, why shouldn't you profit from it.
Because it's a living organism. It reproduces on its own. You can own the seeds, you can own the organism itself. But owning the genetic code of it such that if it reproduces and spreads of its own accord you own that, too? That's crazy.

>The idea is solid, though. You create an incredibly strong weed killer, then create a crop immune to it.
Evil genius stuff. It's like creating a disease that only you have the medicine for. Oh, wait. Drug companies do that all the time. Restless Leg Syndrome.

>The company is acting unethically,
Agreed.

>it's not really the idea that is unethical.
Genetic code as IP is beyond the pale.

>>6942948
>not all GMOs.
In practice it is.

>>6942961
>:^)
What epic new meme'ing is this?

>>6942632

>fighting

Not really, I keep telling you to refer to other posts that clearly state me not giving a shit, then you saying: huehuehue u mad herp derp... and the like of other /b/ tier commentary.

>>6942621

I make more than 80k, you're responding to the wrong person I'm afraid.

>>6942967
What about the Golden Rice project? That's positive, meant to help people.

>>6942969

>nothing intelligent to say in response
>yew mass bay trullin' meeeee

that's also you^^^^

>>6942973
That's a PR smokescreen.

>>6942675
>Nobody other than companies like monsanto are making GMO crops
Dow and Dupond both make engineered seeds.
Not all GMO crops are the frankenseeds people make them out to be. A peanut with a fungal resistance gene from barley is a genetically engineered crop, but does it really sound that terrible? Peanuts are EXTREMELY susceptible to fungal infections and treatments can cost up to $120/acre, not to mention all the beneficial fungi in the soil these applications affect.

Glysphosate immune crops were just the beginning, genetic engineered agriculture has HUGE potential to reduce our fertilizer, pesticide, and fungicide inputs. How about a cotton plant that doesn't require a growth inhibitor? What about corn that doesn't require nitrogen fertilizer? There are a LOT of agricultural problems that can be addressed.

>>6942907
>make it immune to the toxic shit
Glyphosate is: 1. Not toxic to humans by any stretch of the imagination. Alcohol is far deadlier. 2.Glyphosate was accidentally invented while trying to develop a more effective fertilizer. 3. Glyphosate does not linger or remain chemically stable once applied. It breaks down into its base components within 3 days of being applied.

>>6942963
The fact that it spreads on its own is part of the problem. If it couldn't reproduce on its own, it wouldn't be as big of a deal.

>>6942978
>>6942972
>>6942970
>>6942969

Come on guys. This thread was shit for hours this morning. Lets let the shitposters go invade some other board.

>>6942935
>traces of the stuff all over them
Please see my other post.>>6942990

>>6942163
Not that poster, but I fit the bill as well, and I suspect there's a lot more like us here than will admit it. Every now and then there's some decent discussion. Mostly it's the humorous garbage amidst all of the unfunny garbage in between the interesting stuff that keeps me around.

>>6943047
If you assume that most of the original 4chan population was 18 or somewhere close to it then those posters are over or or close to 30. It's been 12 years, yo. I'm about to turn 26 and I still post.

>>6942279
Nonsensical ranting

>>6942048
>Guido Fawkes was a massive failfag and I have absolutely no idea why he's associated with anonymous
>no idea why he's associated with anonymous

Wow newfag how about you lurk more.

Post yfw the gubmint finally admits that BT corn is directly linked to Autism and no one is jailed and no families compensated

>>6943112

So anonymous is full of fail? I don't know, pic related is what I associate with Anonymous

>>6942942
>>6942942
>common sense
Common sense tells me that greater yields per acre with fungicide/pesticide/fertilizer applications are better for the soil and the wildlife.

>>6943112

>FUCK THE CORPORATE ELITE
>UNLESS THEY'RE SELLING ME MASKS!!!
>YEA.....
>YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

>>6943167
with less fungicide/pesticide/fertilizer*

>>6943167

100% of medical marijuana tested yielded positive results for both herbicides and insecticides.

The Toyota Prius is responsible for more pollution than fossil fuels alone, not to mention all the other Hybrid cars with Nickle Metal Hydride batteries that are either buried, or dumped into rivers/streams/oceans because ZERO recycling facilities exist on this planet to neutralize their content.

If you'd like to have an adult conversation about environmental issues let's just admit that people who buy those cars do so for cost efficiency with gas mileage in the long run and not because it's better for the environment. They're the same people that buy carbon offsets so they can de-forest their own property to put in swimming pools.
Go be a faggot elsewhere.

:^)

>>6943178
>100% of medical marijuana tested yielded positive results for both herbicides and insecticides.
Yeah, if you smoke dat bammer.

>>6942932
I'm not even upset with you. You're going through a lot yourself. I'd be an unpleasant twat, too, if I had to fuck a mini-sack of cancer like you do.
There, there.

>>6943199

Uh huh...

>>6943192

The products from south America and Mexico are worse.

>>6943169
Those mask wearing hipsters are despicable but if you don't remember EFG then I'm just smh tbqfhwymf

>>6943178
I don't even know what they fuck you're responding to. Where did this toyota prius bullshit come from? Everyone knows prius owners are only concerned about the "fuel economy" since the cost of these cars versus the fuel savings takes longer than the financing involved to get your money back compared to purchasing a straight gasoline alternative.

However, diesel jetta or passat gets an estimated 45 mpg (and a diesel passat held(holds?) the world record at 80+ mpg) and it takes roughly 2 years to recover the extra cost in fuel savings compared to purchasing the gasoline alternatives. Chevy Volt takes approximately 12 years to recover costs- so you'll never get ahead on that one.

I drive a 14 year old car that gets 30-35 mpg and I paid $650 for because I'm a poor college student and I commute 400 miles a week to campus. >>>/n/

>>6943210
There, there, Anon. It gets better. There, there.

>>6943340

>it gets better

Not for homosexual no, I don't know why people lie to them like that. Most annoying meme of all time.

>>6943300

>650

I spent more on tires got my Nova.

Why don't you have a job?

>>6943253

Nothing Guido Fawkes is associated with represents freedom from oppression, but exactly the opposite.

>>6943451
I spent more on my chainsaw than I paid for that car. I have 3 jobs. The car is horrible cosmetically, needed a wheel bearing (and hub, apparently), ball joints and a tie rod end. It also needed a timing belt. I paid $400 to have the bearing and a ball joint replaced and I did the timing belt myself for like $60. Waiting until winter break to get the other balljoint and the tie rod end replaced. Mainly due to the difference in my schedule and my wife's. My car is a tool, not a status symbol and when I graduate with $0 dollars in student loans or credit cards I'll save for something better. As it stands now I have AC/heat, cruise control, and a radio that does blue tooth and reads a flash drive- can't ask for much more at that price. It's also a Ford Escort, so when I hit a deer last month I fixed it for $25 at the junk yard and a hammer.

>>6943464
Kinda like what the Occupy movement demands...

>>6943507
>>6943451
>>6943300
I spent more than the value of that car on cycling apparel and shoes this season. CLOTHES. Not even counting the bike, or accessories, parts, and tools related to the bike.

Get your shit together, you violent irresponsible cagers. Or we'll have to come and take your guns away.

>>6943507

That paragraph didn't speak well to your disposition. Only autists and meth addicts tinker to that level.

Are you both of those?

>>6943464
>newfags gonna new

>>6943536

>I ride a bicycle
>get your shit together

Pot calling the kettle black there anon.

Do you have sweet pegs on the pack your gf rides on? That would be a sight to see.

>>6943561

Uh huh...

>>6943561

>I'VE WASTED MORE OF MY LIFE ON AN IMAGE BOARD THAN YOU!!!

Your parents must be thrilled.

>>6943567
Spot the road raging cager douche.

Are you going to threaten me with your gun now?

>>6943586

No, that would be irresponsible.

We COULD go shoot some deer together to unlock those primal instincts you've forgotten are hard wired into your brain.

No other feeling in the world anon.

Seriously though, how do you get around in the snow?

>>6943586

Ad hom like woah.

>MUH LIBERAL POINT OF VIEW

Protip: political parties are a divide & conquer tactic that clearly works.

>>6943599
>how do you get around in the snow?
Take the train if it gets really bad, although I may get around to trying some Nokian A10s this year.

>>6943507
>My car is a tool,

No, your car is a vehicle. You're a tool.

>>6942143

God said otherwise.

>>6943633

Which God you slovenly neckbeard?

>>6943630
>You're a tool.
This is coming from a guy that was just bragging to a college kid about how much he spent on tires.

>>6943611

Trains burn diesel... don't you care about the environment????

>>6943638
tip top kek

>>6943638

Obviously not the same person. You sure so have a keen sense of perception there, please... drop out and matriculate at a vocational school, that's your only hope for success.

>>6942295

What uni? I'm studying horticulture and considering one semester or two of exchange studies

>>6943638

>kid

You're an adult now, stop hiding under Mommy's skirt.

>>6943649
>>6943656
I'm not that college kid. I just happen to see the extreme irony in you calling him a tool, when you are obviously the tool in the conversation.

Bragging about buying tires? Fucking kill me now.

>>6943642
Electrified third rail actually, which in turn is mostly powered by nuclear and natural gas.

It would be great if more people rode bikes, but it's still more efficient to pack a thousand people into an electric train than putting them in a thousand cars.

>>6943670

Still not the tire guy, but alright.

Lets evaluate the situation then.

College kid
>tinkers with cars and electronics
>3 jobs
>shitty car
>no money
>struggling

Tweaker and possible "living out of my car" person detected. "College" TOPKEK.

>>6943652
UC Drabis

>>6943672

Wrong, all trains use diesel fuel, not all tracks are electrified.

>>6943699 (You)
Sure thing buddy

>>6942408
The waste isn't exactly "in the bin". Its mostly stuff that rots in the field before it can be harvested, stuff that rots in storage, either in warehouses or grocery store shelves.

It's not that the end consumer is wasting 50% of all food grown, it's just that the supply chain is kinda long and inefficient.

>>6942675
>>6942803
>>6942150
just popping in to let you know I'm also 3
do not feel like you are alone. also 3 and 4 is not the same thing, just because right now you cant get one without the other doesn't mean thats the way it ought to be.

>>6942298
>>calling guns germs and steel a shitty book
you must be the talk of your social bubble, i don't actually care that you're a faggot, but it is kind of amusing that one of the most defining books of our age is according to you "shitty"

>>6943703
>>you
HAHAHAHA

>>6943724

>the most defining book of my basic college curriculum is mandatory for the human populous

Sorry, liberal arts isn't my thing.

>>6943800
What's with people being proud of being dumb?

>>6943814
other anon here

guns germs and steel is fucking 10th grade tier
even worse than "collapse"

>>6943821
Well, at least you read it.

>>6943821

Shhhh Atlas Shrugged is also a defining piece of literature that changed the other anons life. Don't stifle the liberals, they tend to evacuate their bowels as a means of self defense in hostile situations.

>>6943829
>>6943821
Both are very influential, widely referenced books in the English speaking world, and you can consider yourself culturally illiterate if you haven't read them (as for Atlas Shrugged, any of her other novels will count in its place).

Doesn't mean you have to agree with them or think they're the best thing ever, but come on people. Stop acting like you're too good for pop political literature.

The problem with GMOs is that it's a corporate cuckold. What people fail to realize is that the alleged benefits of GMO seed can be easily matched with our current technology.

Hydroponics, Aquaponics, and Aeroponics come to mind as base technologies. The technology is available but nobody cares to adapt it to production because it would cost too much or doesnt have significant monetary gain.

GMOs make money, feeding people doesnt.

>>6943844
>this close to 1844
defending shit literature

>>6943844

>if you haven't read Ayn Rand you're a bigot and loser

How much do you get paid to shitpost on 4chan? This is a genuine question, it's actually concerning me that someone could actually support this type of ghost written material as something profound and meaningful.

Please...Explain yourself.

>>6942018
I don't see the issue with GMOs.

They wont kill everyone, those who survive will develop a resistance to any negative side effects and we will have a more robust society with an ample food source.

>>6943852
hybrid or gmo cereals/feed are actually a huge yield boost

I agree with the advanced growth medium techniques and china is already starting to adopt them. Not to be a college boy but the ceo of general hydro visited a class of mine and he really expressed how china (with their huge soil deficit and population growth) is really looking into that technology. So much so that they are investing in UV resistant plastics to do hydro outdoors.

>>6943856
>if you haven't read Ayn Rand you're a bigot and loser
What the fuck are you even smoking over there? How many layers of crazy do I have to reverse engineer to even come close to understanding where that came from?

>>6943853
There's a lot of shit literature out there, but considering how many disturbingly influential people cite Ayn Rand as a huge influence in their life, you would do well to have read one or two of her novels just to see what they're all about. It's not that hard, I finished Fountainhead in a couple of days. It's pretty hilarious especially the sex scenes.

>>6943874

You said I'd be "culturally ignorant" for not giving a fuck about something you find "deep" and "insightful". Neither of which is the case. Ayn Rand is pseudo-intellectual garbage mass manufactured for the pleb market during "cultural revolution" time in American History.

>you would do well to read

Nah, he's good bro. Just because you like something isn't license to have an autistic fit over other people not liking it.

One day you'll grow up and realize how stupid yoire acting. That's not tonight though, so sit there with your sense of superiority over others for having read shitty books that practically no one likes.

>>6943869
I fuckin love this picture. The western world believes themselves to be saviours of water yet they only care about the ocean if a beloved fictional character dies of oil spills rather than the birds and fish affected, yet we still see this women who advertise to save the ocean as our saviour, blonde, blue eyed and beautiful, even though they're being controlled by a perversed version they imagine of a fictional character. 10/10, would hang in my bedroom.

>>6943894
Way to miss the point. I don't find it deep or insightful any more than I find the World Series deeply fulfilling. It's still a very influential book.

You don't seem to grasp the concept of "cultural literacy". It is knowing that the Chicago Bulls are a basketball team. It is being able to differentiate, by ear, between Frank Sinatra and Tony Bennett. It is understanding instinctively what kind of people read The New Yorker vs. The New York Post.

In order to have cultural literacy you have to expose yourself to things, even things you don't like.

Stay stupid, moron.

>>6943894
>>bigot
>>the same as culturally ignorant
you are fucking retarded. being stupid doesn't make you a faggot or an asshole, being an asshole and a faggot makes you those things, you faggoty asshole

>>6943912

>being triggered this badly

Lol.

>>6943911

>you don't like what I like, so you're stupid

That's the only point you're trying to make

>>6943930
>I just got blown the fuck out so I'm just gonna dig in my heels and insist that the argument is what I thought it was about
And keep on being proud of it, stupid.

>>6943873
Some uses of GMOs are better than others and thanks to that there are plenty of scientific articles people can cite in either position.

I'm lazy so if I can change nothing good.

>>6943933


How many times are you gonna use nigger memes ITT to prove a point no one cares about?

>I won the argument
>literally no argument
>I beat you anyway NEENER NEENER FAGGOT

^that's you.

:^)

>>6943942
>shitposting intensifies
Why don't you go find the scotch thread so you can regurgitate something you read on buzzfeed for the hundredth time. You're clearly out of your depth when it comes to cultural issues.

>>6943930
>>6943933
Can we agree Ayn Rand is shit and nobody should be subjected to it and even retards who take boom boom high school courses are still better off than the kids who take AP courses in high school.

>>6943955
Sure, it would be great if we stopped getting senators and presidential candidates proclaiming how her wisdom changed their lives. But in reality, that's never going to happen, so if you consider yourself an informed citizen, it's obligatory to understand what kind of garbage drives their thinking.

But of course, cultural literacy is for sheeple and if you've even read 1 word of the Bible, you're a Christfag or some shit.

>>6943949

>if you don't like what I like then you're a retard.

Read The Turner Diaries. It's an amazing book that shaped the world in ways you couldn't possibly comprehend. Nice ad hom though, original thought is dead in your world I suppose.

>>6943949

Industrial society and the future is also an amazing novel. Don't be ignorant and shy away from of it because it disagrees with your core values as an ANTIFA member.

>>6943967
Thanks to you i can be culturally literate too. Thanks faggot, didnt know what I was missing in my cultural literacy. I guess I should read about SJWs and bruce jenner oh my bad... caitlyn jenner she's a hero didnt you know.

>>6943969
Which US senators have publicly claimed that The Turner Diaries guides their thinking?

How many Treasury Secretaries have said authors of race war fantasy books changed their lives?

>>6943976

Don't forget to check your privilege while you're at it.

http://www.checkmyprivilege.com/quiz

>>6943974
The unabomber was actually a really interesting guy, and I would in fact recommend reading that, but Ayn Rand first.

>>6943981

None in the States I'm afraid.

Shame too as it's a thumping good read.

See... based on the content of the novel you're refusing to read it. It's a lot more lax than Mein Kampf, give it a try. See if it affects you in a positive way before crying about social injustice like you've been conditioned to.

The Turner Diaries is actually banned in all public learning institutions for some reason. The Stolen Village isn't though, odd.

>>6943987

>interesting

He was a savant level intellect without the retardism mixed into it. An intellect parallel to that of Einstein and Hawking, factually speaking.

>>6943992
Mein Kampf is unreadable ranting though, I tried reading it in high school and there are only like 3 or 4 passages that are actually entertaining. Maybe it reads better in German.

Rand novels are light reading, if you can't crank through one in short order you are actually just straight up illiterate, forget about the cultural aspect.

>>6944001

>books written to make you think=bad
>books that are easy to read= good

You're calling me culturally ignorant and retarded huh....

Good puppy....

>>6943935
so lazy that you are referncing to "can't re-seed"/"bred with pesticides"/"I'll trust michael pollen on this one"

side note why do so many pies need identified

>>6944003
>books written to make you think=bad
>books that are easy to read= good
And yet I said none of that.

I can see why you are so poorly educated about culture now. It's because you can't mentally process anything beyond simple declarative sentences, and thus it serves no purpose for you to try to read original material referenced by journalists and politicians. Instead you make a list of "good" and "bad" people and everything falls neatly into place from there.

How disgusting.

>>6943983
Thanks faggot.

Back to topic the idea of cultural literacy is a fucking joke and you should drop it from your vocabulary. There are no defining values to what is or is not culturally significant. What you should worry about is your literacy cause you seem to lack the conventional wisdom to think for yourself.

The real question becomes whether you think an agricultural system built on corn and soy is so fucking clever. I say it is, but I'd rather not eat the food that comes out of it if I can avoid doing so.

And thankfully I'm just wealthy enough to be able to do so most of the time.

>>6943216
I'd imagine so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhRJnuCrAoM

I'd like to know where they bought their medical marijuana samples for 100% of them to be contaminated.

>>6944003
Spudz Mackenzie R.I.P in peace

Bleak house is very hard to read but a great novel
I agree with you on all fronts

>>6944015

>you don't agree with my political platform thus you're a retard

Keep saying it, just because I don't like the books you read and it offended you doesn't provide license for this type of autistic meltdown. Seriously it's getting embarrassing how much you have to put someone else down to bolster you own opinions of yourself.

Yes, Rand is easy to read an understand, she wrote about cultural issues at the time of the Hippie era, where overnight people were transformed from productive members of society into drug addicted savages. That's why you identify with writing like that. It's the Harry Potter of the "political" novel world. It's fantasy as well, her personal opinions of the world around her and how she would rule the world if given the opportunity basically. That's it.

It's trading one opinion for another, difference being is that you're openly refusing to read literature based on the perceived inflection in the content you skimmed through.

THAT is ignorance, not what I am doing. The more you speak you're sounding like an irate female. The only person in the world I know that can carry on this horribly about being put in their place is my wife. She stamps her feet and cries about being wrong too, that's why I started hitting her. Not trying to be edgy, I literally beat the fuck out of my wife when she gets out of hand. Has transformed out marriage into something I construe to be more plausible than the social constructs modern society forces on people.

It's time to grow up lad, really.

>>6944026

Every state that it's legal in I suppose.

I'm against most of those things because I care about the earth

soil quality is incredibly important, and modern industrialized agriculture neglects it for the most part since we have cheap npk fertilizers

we need to de-urbanize a bit tbh. we can't change our farming techniques and nothing else unless there's a huge population decline, we would also need more farmers. I live in rural south dakota and rural flight is a huge problem. people think they're too good to be farmers, so everyone moves to a larger city in their 20s

there are tons of aging farmers with no one to take over their farm after they die, so they'll just be bought up by already large farms which will further compound the problem

we also need to bring back victory gardens

>>6944038
How many times have I stated that I dislike Ayn Rand already? And yet, because you are incapable of thinking critically about anything at all, the only way you can counter my accusation that you're ignorant is to say that I'm "autistic" because of a "fact" that is the complete opposite of the truth.

You must be very frustrated now. I bet you'd really like to hit me.

>>6944058

Not really, I'm laughing at what you say. I don't hit people that don't deserve it, being a retard isn't reason enough for me to strike someone.

>I didn't say that a-anon
>I did, but I don't think you were paying attention
>Y-yea...YEA! I DIDN'T SAY THAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THAT AUTHOR IS !!!ONE!!!

^that's you

:^)

>>6944068
>I don't hit people that don't deserve it, being a retard isn't reason enough for me to strike someone.
Translation: I may be a dimwit but I'm not so dimwitted to think I can punch my monitor, so I'll pretend to take the moral high ground.

Also, link the posts where I said I liked Ayn Rand, dimwit.

>>6944058

>you're ignorant is to say that I'm "autistic" because of a "fact" that is the complete opposite of the truth.

True, Autistic people have one discernible talent besides crying.

Correct you are.

>>6944075
see
>>6944038

>Seriously it's getting embarrassing how much you have to put someone else down to bolster you own opinions of yourself.

Keep going, it's funny.

>>6944085
You linked your own post, dimwit. Try again, or punch your screen if you need to relieve some of that frustration.

>>6944075

You're protecting the works of a lesbian communist more so than your own genitals and masculinity. That's proof enough.

>>6944091
Are you going to start saying "cuck" now?

Is that what you make your wife do, before you punch her?

>>6944090

I know, I had to remind you of what I said. Keep calling names, it's actually quite funny to see how low the road is you're willing to travel in defense of a dead woman.

That's like...bleached white knighting right there.

>>6944093
see
>>6944038

>Seriously it's getting embarrassing how much you have to put someone else down to bolster you own opinions of yourself.

The same shit on repeat, you're starting to get boring lad.

>>6944095
It takes a big strong man to admit you were wrong like that.

Pat yourself on the head, if you can muster the coordination.

>>6944097
Speaking to yourself in the second person when under emotional stress is something mentally unbalanced people do.

>>6944100

I'm not admitting to anything, there's no right or wrong in an opinion based discussion. You're that insecure that you have to be right even in matters of opinion huh...

That's fine, you can be right, your liberal nigger loving opinion is better than my own. I'l drop what I'm doing right now to read the books you recommended.

>>6942150
If your prize poodle fucks my lab, it's not my fucking responsibility to pay you.

>>6944109

Sure, let's go with that.

:^)

>>6943555
>>6943536
>>6943695
College student here.
I never said I was struggling or that I had no money. My wife makes 70k/yr. I get about 13k/yr non-taxed and make about 10k at my jobs over summer/winter break.
I never said I tinker with electronics either.
Guns and ammo are two things I spend money on in lieu of paying out the ass to a repair shop every time a vehicle has a problem. Enjoy paying $500 for a $100 repair.

>>6943852
>Hydroponics, Aquaponics, and Aeroponics
These are good for growing certain plants. Leafy greens and lettuces, mainly. Others can do well, but they're picky sometimes. Also, to maintain proper water temperature in a temperate climate, these systems do much better in a greenhouse of some sort. Row crops like corn, beans, cotton, rye, wheat, barley, canola, sunflower, etc will never be matched production wise by soil-less growing techniques.
>nobody cares to adapt it to production
But they ARE adapting production by modifying the plant. Round up ready crops allow for effective commercial scale no till crop operations. NO till operations have the potential to cut nitrogen applications by up to a third due to the higher organic matter and biological content of the soil. Farmers have a vested interest in maintaining their soil health, as yields have a tendency to slowly decline with current growing methods.

>>6944296

What's it like to have passed on the "Daddy" pants onto your wife?

Does she enjoy being the man in the relationship?

Damn... you could make more money jacking off on cam4 than what you're doing now... that's only 1hr a night lad.

>>6944446
What the fuck is your problem
Not even the guy you're arguing with

>>6944475

I am not arguing with anyone LOL.

You seem butthurt, is that because your wife pegs you or what?

>>6944446
alright i'm aware i didn't read the thread and shit but fuck you.

this girl cheated on her boyfriend with me. but she was 23 and this dude was like 52; which automatically is a red flag.no exaggeration this dude was fucking 52.

needless to say this is no longer happening but i just though i would share.

>>6944446
That's a beautifully smelly pile of ad hominem

>>6944480
I knew a kid like you in elementary school, out of nowhere the most weird, inappropriate sexual nonsense would just fly out of his mouth
We found out later he was getting raped by his dad
Sorry about your life :(

>>6944488

>implying any woman anywhere is selfless enough to pay for everything while her husband "finds himself" in schooling.

TOPMOTHERFUCKINGKEK

>>6944496

> i knew a kid like you
>implying you're capable of speaking to others outside of a computer world.

>>6944446
Sorry about your penis size, bro.
She wouldn't even come out the house when I found this guy in the driveway earlier today.

Wow, wouldn't be /ck/ without a 24/7 GMO shill thread.

>>6942018
Nothing here but first world problems.
Organic food may taste like 1% better but it's mostly feel good sanctimonious bullshit perpetrated by soccer moms.

Wow some shitposter was responsible for like half of this thread and just got #rekt

>>6943707
I'm sure you're right.
There is the whole thing of demanding perfectly straight carrots, for example.

Whenever I plant carrots, they come out about as crooked as a box of fish hooks, some with multiple tines or whatever they're called. And they're never as thick as store-bought, either.
Despite being malformed, you know what? They're a kajillion times tastier than any store-bought carrot I've ever had. And that got me awondrin': where do the malformed carrots go?
So I did some research. Many growers take all their non-straight carrots and chuck'em in the bin. Why? Others whittle them down and they become "baby-cut carrots." That's why baby-cut carrots taste better, I guess: because they're whittled from those delicious, Cthulhu-lookin' motherfuckers.

So what about the parts that get shaved off? Into the bin they go.

What I find quite silly about it is that agribusiness doesn't much use the scraps and stuff as green manure/fertiliser. Just seems silly to send it off to landfill when it's perfectly usable as green manure.

And I'm sure the same is true for several other crops besides carrots. It's like how the most delicious strawberries are always the grossly malformed ones while the perfectly strawberry-shaped ones tend to be bland in comparison.

>>6945559
>What I find quite silly about it is that agribusiness doesn't much use the scraps and stuff as green manure/fertiliser.

They do, kid.

>>6945559
Reading your attempts to sound "cute" is like fingernails on a chalkboard.

Please punch yourself in the throat for me kthanksbai xd xd

>>6945639

And you are? Hah, never again.

1. There's nothing wrong with GMOing the shit out of things.

2. It's wrong to use pesticides with no restrictions and without study

3. That being said, we should study GMOs more for both their benefits and to make sure it is all ok to eat.

4. Monsanto isn't the only company making GMOs, and they likely aren't the most evil. The most evil companies are the ones you don't hear about until it's too late.

5. Companies trying to do evil shit and monopolize the food supply need to DIAF.

>>6945559
Even that waste isn't actually just thrown in a landfill. It either gets composted, used in products that don't require good-looking ingredients, or used as animal feed.

Very little that's not actually rotten gets completely wasted.

>>6945725
This. The bulk of food waste in the US is at the consumer level. Companies wouldn't do that. It's more profitable to re-package waste as school lunches and animal feed.

>>6946369
>The bulk of food waste in the US is at the consumer level.

Right-wing extremist lies.

>>6945702
Dick In Ass Forever?

>>6942408
>until something better comes along, factory farming, GMOs etc are a necessary evil to feed a hungry planet of over seven billion
nah. that shit mostly exists because of capitalist greed and the desire of even the poorest people to eat animal products at every single meal.

we have PLENTY of food. most of it is just getting thrown away or concentrated into animal flesh.

>>6946593
>god forbid poor people eat things that taste good, they don't deserve access to the fruits of technology and capitalism, they should like the fucking swine they are
that is what you are saying

>>6945702
GMOs are specifically a tool for monopolizing the food supply. that's the primary draw of putting a patent on a crop.

even if they're safe to eat, patented plants are inherently evil because of contamination with wild plants. they can claim they own any plant that is touched by the patented genes.

People really want to hold on to this rosy fantasy of GMOs being something other than a tool for evil. nothing good will come of it.

>>6946616
Contamination of wild plants doesn't happen though. If you discover evidence to the contrary, we'll threaten to cut funding to your department, effectively shutting it down, causing massive backlash by the senior university leadership. Also, thugs will come visit and say you should join the other side, and make insinuations that that your children's lives are in danger.

>>6946616
>GMOs are specifically a tool for monopolizing the food supply. that's the primary draw of putting a patent on a crop.
No its not, its fucking expensive to develop a new crop with the over the top regulations they face, they need to be able to protect their intellectual property otherwise no one will pursue new better technology. Its ridiculous that you think other companies will not develop their own strains, these patents are not on the general idea of genetic modification any company is free to develop a competitive crop (though the government makes sure this takes a long fucking time).

Do you not support the existence of patents at all, or just not believe they should be awarded to companies you do not like?

>>6946643
none of this has ever happened

>>6946647
You mean his claims were a fabrication, or you're just too ignorant to know of the case in question?

>>6946602
eating the tastiest food is a luxury. it's incorrect to say we CAN'T feed everyone at the present time. luxuries aren't necessities.

also it's not like eating shit-tier Monsanto meat/milk at every meal is that great anyway.

>>6946645
patenting genes is really dangerous territory. it's a threat to food and environmental security.

I think the plants we depend on for food should belong to noone.

>>6946654
>also it's not like eating shit-tier Monsanto meat/milk at every meal is that great anyway.
eating beef/pork fed by corn is very much better than what the vast majority of the human population can afford to eat frequently

>>6946663
>patenting genes is really dangerous territory. it's a threat to food and environmental security.
How?

>>6942150
3 wouldn't be a problem at all if the current GMOs were sterile. I just can't understand why they apparently aren't, other than neglectful laziness and/or intentional evil. It's the biggest problem with these crops and nobody's talking about it. It's always the red herring about GM vs. hybridization or other hazy moral arguments.

>>"traditional" cross-breeding and hybridization is OK, but modern gene-manipulation is wrong
>Luddites
well, with modern manipulation you can bypass natural safeguards regarding which genes are allowed to combine. we are extremely arrogant to think we can bypass this with no weird consequences.

>>6942150
>when the new strains mix in the wild with existing strains is wrong
this isn't a thing

>>6946715
It is. Corn especially, because it pollinates by wind.

>>6946709
>with modern manipulation you can bypass natural safeguards
This isn't how it works, and 'natural' is a meaningless qualifier. There is no mechanism by which one mysterious mother nature prevents certain genes from combining other than the fact that bad genes will result in non-viable offspring

>we are extremely arrogant to think we can bypass this with no weird consequences.
This appeal to a religious like belief is entirely illogical, just because there is a chance that something bad could happen doesn't mean we should never try anything, you sound just like the people who are afraid to fly because there is a slight chance of a plain crashing

>>6946721
Wild corn does not exist, so no, it is not possible for GMO corn to contaminate wild corn

>>6946703
You don't see the problem with farmers perhaps being unable to grow food because their balls are in the grip of the corporation who owns not just the seeds, but the genes in the seeds? Also, since those farmers fell for the PR pitch and switched over 100% to the patented crops, they stop saving their heirloom seeds and those species go extinct. Vast biodiversity dying is bad, doncha know.

>>6946734
>you don't see the problem with farmers perhaps being unable to grow food because their balls are in the grip of the corporation who owns not just the seeds
they can use old fashioned seeds

Its like any other consumable you buy, you are not entitled to get that for free in perpetuity because you bought it once

>>6946733
Heirloom corn, then. Yes technically what we know as corn was created via breeding from man, but most of it does not contain patented genes. instead of "wild" you might as well just say "non-patented". the crossing of the two is indeed happening now.

>>6946734
>Vast biodiversity dying is bad, doncha know.
this happened long before GMOs were a thing, also please recall most heirlooms are not good or desirable, and the few that are still exist and despite not being grown on most farms are not truly in danger of going extinct, it does not keep much effort maintain them

>>6946745
Wild means growing in nature, not agriculturally. If these GMOs were a threat to take over wildly growing plants that would be a huge issue, thankfully that is not the case and they are specifically designed not to be able to grow in the wild.

As for it crossbreeding with and taking over other fields, this also has not been shown to occur and is another misguided fear

>>6946742
Once you stop saving the old-fashioned seeds (the ones you can have in perpetuity for free), you lose them forever. Why would you support a system that forces people to lose their ability to have free seeds?

>>6946759
>Once you stop saving the old-fashioned seeds, you lose them forever
then save them, problem solved. What a ridiculous reason to support banning new technology. This is like saying we should have banned DVDs because it would kill VHS players

>>6946754
>they are specifically designed not to be able to grow in the wild.
They still can though. GM canola is growing like a weed in Japan near the seaports, for example. It's an issue, it's just that nobody cares.

>As for it crossbreeding with and taking over other fields, this also has not been shown to occur
Such crossing has occurred though. Monsanto's been sued over it and won.

>>6946759
>Why would you support a system that forces people to lose their ability to have free seeds?
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. If the old seeds are so good people will keep using them, and if there is any value to them at all at least a minority of farmers will maintain them. Farmers are free people, thankfully we are not a communist culture where the government mandates farmers all use the same seed

>>6946768
>Such crossing has occurred though. Monsanto's been sued over it and won.
no, no it has not. The only case where it purportedly happened was proven to be a hoax

>>6946772
This is like saying predatory loan places aren't forcing anyone to do anything. Technically true, but once biodiversity is lost, we all pay. GMOs encourage monocrops and make it very hard to keep saving traditional seeds while keeping them uncontaminated.

>If the old seeds are so good people will keep using them
Farmers tend to choose attractive temporary increases in yields over longterm sustainability. They're falling for a scam, basically.

>>6946759
the fuck anon? no one is forcing farmers to use gmo, they do it willingly becaus results. and no one is stopping you or anyone else from collecting heirloom seeds to protect them from extinction. also any doomsday preppers who plan for the long haul will have a stockpile of heirloom seeds. so if you actually gave a shit you'd be seed saving instead of trying to force farmers to do it for you

>>6946703
>How it's dangerous

Put simply, if I own the food seeds' genetic code then I own all the food seeds. What happens when I decide no one gets any more?

>>6946781
Farmers in India aren't going to think about saving their seeds, they just want the bigger yield, any other environmental consequences be damned.

I can save seed myself but I'm not going to encourage a corporation that causes billions of poor farmers to NOT save theirs. Because that negatively affects the planet I also live on.

>>6946779
>This is like saying predatory loan places aren't forcing anyone to do anything
except it is not at all like predatory loans because they are offering a great and useful product.

Its more like getting mad at Apple for not replacing your laptop when it expires. Its just unreasonable to expect them to provide stuff to you for free just because you bought it once
>and make it very hard to keep saving traditional seeds
This argument makes no sense, it is incredibly easy to save them if you desire

>>6946781
I think a lot of of this idea of "farmers" needs to go away from the discussion since it's really a major agri-corporation, not Farmer Jed tending to the crops.

>>6946785
>What happens when I decide no one gets any more?
Then your competitors will be very happy. You act like Monsanto is the only company researching and producing GM crops, or that they have a patent on the science of genetic modification. You can only patent a specific gene, and there is an endless variety of diversity that we can engineer into plants once the luddites get out of the way

>>6946785
>what happens when I decide no one gets any
then people find an alternative or wait for your patent to expire

>>6946787
poor farmers
myth bruh, most farms are corporations and even those who aren't have a choice, you're trying to take away that choice which in places like india would result in far more people going hungry than already do, so fuck your it's my planet to ideology

>>6946788
Actually it would be more like Apple holding the data you have on the cloud hostage unless you buy a new laptop every year, and a couple of iPads, and an iWatch, and...fuck it, just give them money.

>>6946799
>then people find an alternative or wait for your patent to expire
or starve

>>6946787
>I'm not going to encourage a corporation that causes billions of poor farmers to NOT save theirs. Because that negatively affects the planet I also live on.
Except these crops are better, so it actually is a dramatic improvement to the world. This is like lamenting the death of dial-up internet once broadband became the norm

>>6946788
>they are offering a great and useful product
A temporary increase in yield in exchange for the purchase of both seeds and tons of mandatory herbicide isn't that great. The Roundup Ready system is a pesticide treadmill. It's designed to take advantage of people and get more and more money from them. You can say that if people allow themselves to get gypped, they deserve it, but there are serious environmental consequences to their mistake.

>>6946802
so you're proposing we do something proven to lower yields and increase costs to prevent people from starving?

>>6946805
>A temporary increase in yield in exchange for the purchase of both seeds and tons of mandatory herbicide isn't that great
Then don't buy it.
The fact is, it is great and that is why it has become so popular, it allows you to grow more, better crops on less land with less labor

>>6946802
there are two kinds of people who use doomsday what if arguments, those with ulterior motives and the fools who believe their fearmongering

>>6946809
It's great for a little while. The idea here is to constrain rampant capitalism for the sake of future security/sustainability.

Outside the pesticide-treadmill factory-farm system, monocrops suck shit and will fail to feed us, that includes you.

>>6946817
yeah bruh, they're designed that way on purpose to prevent the crossbreeding you're so worried about, and even at that level of suck they're still more productive than heirloom crops

>>6946817
monoculture is hardly related to GMOs, it has been an issue for a long time and GMOs if anything have the ability to break it as competitors develop competing crops with different new genes

I know it is cool to hat capitalism, but it is capitalism saving us here

>>6946808
GMOs aren't preventing people from starving. At least not now. Most of them are grown in America to feed our mcdonalds cows and make our vegetable oil.

But overall, GMOs are going to be worse for feeding people. With the high-intensity agriculture that goes along with them, eventually the soil gets trashed and then you're really fucked.

>>6946827
none of this is accurate

>>6946827
>GMOs aren't preventing people from starving
bullshit man, farming like every other business is supply and demand, but with farming demand far outstrips supply so anything that increases yields is in fact combating world hunger

you're pissing me off man, you keep making me stop eating my apples and cheese to tell you how wrong you are

>>6946817
Monoculture isn't exclusive to GMO. Why the fuck do you think potato famines happened?

Most industrial (I say industrial, but most are families even if they are industrial) farms plant different crops every season, basing it off nutrients absorbed by different varieties.

My family will plant sorghum one season and peanuts the next, followed by corn (for livestock). Then soy, then hay, then skip and let the field run wild. Then repeat. Some of them are GMO, some not. It is all based around soil tests on what they plant.

As far as pesticides go, some seeds make it to where you use less pesticides.

>>6946823
>monoculture is hardly related to GMOs
Sure it is. Diversity is something that helps create a little self-sustaining ecosystem on a farm, to keep everything healthy. There's less reason to use more than one variety if you can just spray shit by plane over your endless field of GM corn and still have it all survive. But once you no longer have the chemicals, you're toast.

>>6946839
Fucking rotation, you've obviously never been around farming for income.

>>6946839
>But once you no longer have the chemicals, you're toast.
or you can just move on to a different strain.

You are acting like once you plant a GMO seed you can never plant another variety on your farm ever again

>>6946837
>Monoculture isn't exclusive to GMO
Didn't say that, but GMO encourages monoculture. At least the way we do it now does. In theory you could have a balanced ecosystem of hundreds of GMOs, but I don't think we're smart enough for that if all we could think to make is Roundup-Ready (TM)

>>6946843
I don't see why you would want to be locked into a system where you depend on the corporation to make new plants to save your ass, rather than just breeding your own to suit your specific location and needs.

>>6946848
>if all we could think to make is Roundup-Ready (TM)
but that isn't all we have made

The real problem here is the barrier to release new crops is incredibly high thanks to over-regulation, so that only very large corporations can even attempt it

>>6946849
>I don't see why you would want to be locked
you aren't locked into anything, you can do whatever you want. No one is saying old fashioned seeds should be banned, you are the only one advocating locking people into anything, and unfortunately that things is the past

>>6946848
No?

People did it MORE back in the day, until rotations were set and researched once we had the tech to measure soil. Almost all farmers send soil to ag universities to test every season. Must I again cite the potato famine? What about the boll weevil and cotton? I don't really know of any successful farm that doesn't do it, or at least let the field grow wild every couple of seasons.

Because you do this, you lose less nutrients and thus use less chemical fertilizers (or zero). Most farmers I know use natural fertilizers because it is cheaper.

>>6946852
We shouldn't encourage an attempt to make old-fashioned seeds obsolete. After a point, you wouldn't even have to ban them. They'd simply be gone. Or at least, extremely reduced in number and impoverished. You don't want that. Then we'll truly be locked in, or at least most of us will be.

Owning all the seeds in the world -- or at least the most commercially important ones -- is literally a supervillain tier plan.

>>6946866
once again no one is stopping you from saving and collecting seed stock so you can become the savior of modern farming when monanto is finally revealed as the great satan

>>6946866
>We should ban cars, we shouldn't encourage an attempt to make transportation by horse obsolete

This is what you would have been saying 100 years ago

>>6946861
>People did it MORE back in the day
Monoculture like we have today wasn't possible before cars and planes. You couldn't get the same variety of seed as other people across the country, so you had your own shit that you saved, just for you.

People dying because they depended on just one food (potato) is a different thing from what I was talking about, which is loss of *varieties*.

>>6946866
Again, you are acting like Monsanto is the only biotech company in the world and has a monopoly. The industry is extremely competitive, and unless Dow and Conagra suddenly go out of business this is not a serious concern

>>6946892
>Monoculture like we have today wasn't possible before cars and planes
Yeah, but it was much more of a problem 30 years ago before the advent of genetic modification techniques. In fact GM crops are helping the problem, and have much promise in eliminating it

>>6946893
It doesn't matter who owns the crop, buying patented seeds is inferior to having free ones.

And eventually, there may not be a choice anymore, because it is profitable to take away that choice.

>>6946903
if it were inferior then agribuis wouldn't buy it, and you don't create choice by banning choices based on doomsday scenarios

>>6946903
Where is the incentive to develop new, better seeds if you can't own them?

>>6946903
you act like pre gmo farmers did their own seed collection/saving, and that simply isn't true. the seed part of farming was spun off into a thriving category long ago, because of the time and effort involved even pre gmo most farms/farmers bought seed rather than having their own stock.

>>6946909
Brah, it may seem superior now, but look past your nose. You do NOT want to give up your ability to have free food you grow yourself. It's not like GMO seeds existing poses no threat to non-GMO seeds, so you are playing into the hands of those who want to own YOU.

>>6946912
Whatever benefits the new crops happen to provide, I suppose. Same motivation for all the traditional breeding people have done.

>>6946866
Monsanto has never sued over seed genetics. It is a lie.
>>6946892
Just read this and a genetics textbook and shut your mouf.
http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/05/04/gmosmonoculturebio-disaster-time-to-revise-simplistic-ideological-narrative/

>>6946919
dumbass no one is preventing you from seed collecting, in fact heirloom seeds for home growers is big business, so either collect seeds, get into the seed business or shut the fuck up about choice

>>6946922
>implying traditional breeds weren't closely guarded secrets, precisely because there was no recurring benefit in sharing them

>>6946922
It costs orders of magnitude more to create a GMO than it does to breed up some new variety of something.

If you can't have sole rights to your new seeds, there's nothing stopping some farmer from just buying one generation's worth of your seeds and then sell the next.

>You spend billions developing a new corn variety
>Farmer Dickbag buys 5 bags of your seeds, grows the corn, lets it all go to seed, and now he's got 5000 bags of seed he can sell.
>you paid billions to get your seeds
>he paid $200

>>6946932
>no one is preventing you from seed collecting
maybe not me, but bigtime farmers are being discouraged from doing so when they just buy year after year. and the fewer seeds are saved, the fewer are available to BE saved. so, people choosing not to save hurts us all down the line.

>>6946922
>Same motivation for all the traditional breeding people have done
traditional breeding allows patents too though

Why do you think honeycrisp apples cost more than shitty red delicious?

>>6946943
They won't all stop using normal seeds. Especially as long as there is a market for "organic" food.

>>6946943
god you're a dense fearmonger, I'm going to go take a bath now, until I get back I want you to spend the time considering the fact that maybe you're wrong

>>6946943
this is just an entirely unfounded fear

>>6946941
>there's nothing stopping some farmer from just buying one generation's worth of your seeds and then sell the next
And? You're implying varieties of organisms are something someone should be able to legally own.

>You spend billions developing a new corn variety
That'd be your own loss.

>>6946949
You realize non-organic food can genetically contaminate organic food? After which the normal seed may no longer exist.

>>6946892
Potato famine happened because they depended on one genetic strain of potato, achieved through selective breeding. They could not resist the blight.

>>6946953
Loss of variety is a legit thing that's ongoing. Inventing a handful of new GM varieties wouldn't keep pace with the number of varieties that are abandoned all around the world to grow the New and Improved ones. Thankfully we at least have seed banks.

>>6946963
>what is a seed vault

>>6946958
>That'd be your own loss
Exactly. Meaning no incentive to actually make new GMO's. You need to be able to make your money back reasonably quickly or your company dies. It'd be impossible to get a return on investment for your billions of dollars when Wal-Mart can sell your new wonder-seeds for $15 a packet.

>>6946977
You don't need all that much variety really. We have way more than we really need.

>>6946978
>what is a seed vault

Well, it's not a reliable source of anything if your new crop is contaminated as soon as it's back in nature.

>>6946958
its no different than owning a piece of software, a song, a drug, or the process of manufacturing a machine

>>6946977
>Loss of variety is a legit thing that's ongoing
it is literally becoming less of a problem because of GMOs

>>6946978
>Meaning no incentive to actually make new GMO's
So? You make it seem like just because the technology is available, we must subsidize it. Progress or helping anyone isn't guaranteed, and the potential dangers are many. Making it easier to capitalize on patenting seeds will result in more distinctly non-humanitarian bullshit like what we've already got.

>>6946983
You're worried about a blight wiping out all of a particular crop right? Like the Potato Famine.

How exactly are the seeds you've recovered from the vault going to be cross-pollinated by the GMO version if all of the GMO version is dead?

ITT: armchair agronomists

just shut up and fucking eat it and stop quoting food inc

>>6946983
>if your new crop is contaminated as soon as it's back in nature.
this doesn't happen though

Also keep in mind that a farm field is not nature, in nature humans subside from hunting, gathering and scavenging. Agriculture of organic crops is no more natural than growing GM crops

>>6946991
>more distinctly non-humanitarian bullshit
Like saving 600,000 lives, mostly children, a year?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rice

>>6946989
why do you say that? each new GM variety is very expensive to produce, so there aren't that many in comparison to heirloom varieties which easily go extinct for free.

>>6946997
That old card. Nigger, "improvements" like that are a small fraction of what GMOs are actually used for and will be used for. They are a control tool and that's not gonna stop. Monsanto gives as much of a shit about helping brown people as Nestle.

>>6946998
1) We can learn the genome of whatever heirloom variety you want to protect. Then it doesn't matter if all the seeds of that breed are lost. We could always GM it back into existence.

2) Because GMO's are so expensive to develop, companies will be very unlikely to let any of their GMO breeds go extinct. Because they spent so much on them, they will try harder to protect them.

>>6947011
>is worried that GMO's will be used for shitty business practices
>instead of complaining about those business practices, he complains about GMO's
You're as bad as the faggots who blame the gun whenever someone gets shot instead of blaming the gunman.