/ck/ - Food & Cooking

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black

If you have your coffee any other way than black, you need to remove your DNA from the available gene pool.

>>6936491
I find that some coffee is too shitty tasting to have black, especially if it's at work and has been sitting out for a bit

>>6936491

>2015
>not drinking cafe Americano
>being this pleb

Is it worth buying anything on amazon if I have prime? Should I just stick to going to a grocery and seeing what they have there?

>>6936498
>diluting proper drink
>calling others pleb

>>6936549
>drinking espresso straight
>thinking you know anything about coffee

>>6936552
Enjoy you're watered down expresso beverage while I'm over here enjoying a properly prepared true man's drink.

>>6936574
Ask an Italian if they drink espresso straight up

they don't

>>6936581
yes they do (with a packet of sugar)
and neapolitans drink a cup of water before it

>>6936478
>fancy
I think that's the keyword there.
I tend to agree, but I won't get pissy if someone decides to do it because they want to. Foam art isn't going to ruin the drink, so long as they don't spend minutes on it or charge me for it. But then, the majority of "critically acclaimed" coffee shops and restaurants are more about atmosphere and gimmicks than food done well. different strokes for different folks

>>6936478
I'm a Hario weeb so I've got v60 gear for my coffee. Wanting to get an electric burr grinder so my grind stops taking 4 minutes. Volume and ratios all matter when making a cup, and it changes with every roast, it's up to you to find the right combo. I usually just eye-ball everything except for my coffee:water ratio.
Drinking madcap coffee from grand rapids, mi.

Help please

I tried three times yesterday to do Japanese iced coffee (brew hot coffee directly onto ice) and I failed all three. Each time it came out really fucking bitter and watery.
I use a Hairo V60 and filled up the filter about 3/4s. Poured freshly boiled water on top and let it drip. Every single time it came out tasting like ass.

First I tried decaf and it tasted horrible. Then I tried twice with 'Colombian coffee suitable for all coffee makers' from Waitrose. First time I took the water off slightly before the boil, and next time I let it boil for ~30 seconds before pouring.

Am I doing something wrong or just plain stupid?
The annoying thing is that I managed to make a good cup of hot coffee a few days ago but I can't remember what I did differently.

>>6938275
>freshly boiled water
Found the problem you pleb.
Use 81-85 degree of water.
Also i found that Japanese iced coffee usually taste very mellow and smooth, so i use a medium roast at max, dark roast is a no-no.

But seriously your water temp m8
And decaf, holy shizzle pls stop

>>6938393
>brewing coffee with lukewarm water
Is this some kind of joke?

>>6938404
Are you just russlin my jimmies?
Please tell me you're only trying to rustle my jimmies

>>6938393
80 degree kelvin?
80 degree fahrenheit?
80 degree celsius?

>>6938432
>>6938404

Bad trolling and legit mental retardation.

>>6938432
I thought we live in civilized country
Celcius ofcourse fam

>>6938393
How do I know if it's 81 - 85 degreees? I don't have athermometer

>>6938831
Well if you really like coffee you might want to invest a 10 dollars thermometer. Or you can boil it and let cool down for a couple of minutes (depends on your room temp).

But seriously, Hot scalding boiling water will burn your coffee and make it bitter. THATS why your coffee is bitter. Seriously dude.

>>6938899
>But seriously, Hot scalding boiling water will burn your coffee and make it bitter. THATS why your coffee is bitter. Seriously dude.

...wow

>>6938942
I wont even bother to explain the concept of relation between water temperature and overextraction to you

>>6939005
>implying the problem isn't in the kind of roast he's buying

lel oh lel

>>6939014
I already highlighted the roast in my post above you double retard

>>6938393

>>6939026
i see your reading comprehension is about as shitty as your writing

you HIGHLIGHTED that the main reason for his coffee turning out bitter was his temperature

are you a foreigner of some sort or just the product of our ever shittier public schools?

>>6939048
You are as dumb as i feared.
Of all the point that i suspect that might cause his coffee to turn bitter i specifically suggest that he use lower temp water and to not use a dark roast (since he didnt provide information of what his roast is, and IF his only roast turn out to be dark roast, lowering temperature will also help to smooth out the bitterness, which also further support my point)

Are your reading skills only limited to reading the headline font in newspaper?

>>6938442
Not everyone lives in ex-communist block countries, Africa, or China where they use Celsius.

Only civilized countries use Fahrenheit. The home of the brave, the land of the free... 'Merica.

>>6936574
>banging dudes
>hey im a real man too!

>>6939072
>You are as dumb as I feared

*tips fedora* muh gentle sir

you are dumb AND smug, no wonder this country is going down the shitter

might as well take my money and run

>>6939098
>post numerous times
>does not provide 1 (one) constructive post to the discussion at all
>call people fedora

>>6939098
>no wonder this country is going down the shitter

I appreciate my barista doing the layered latte hearts. I think Latte art is neat, but all I can find to make an image folder is a shit-ton of japanese people drawing their waifus.

>>6939110
>>6939136
try again flyover

this country is going down the shitter because of people like you voting for demagogues like the donald

>>6938393
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>>6938442
>>6938831
>>6938899
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>>6939005
>not using boiling water
The only way you'll overextract your coffee (due to heat) is if you're brewing with a pot on the stove, i.e. you're using a method that adds heat after the point where the temperatures of the boiling water and room temperature grounds have equalized to somewhere around 85-90 C, depending on your coffee-to-water ratio. If you are overextracting it's likely due to too fine of a grind (or an uneven grind with a lot of very fine particles) or too long of a steep. Or maybe you're just a pleb and think that any hint of bitterness in coffee equals overextraction.

Here's what happens when I make coffee with my French press. I measured this with a thermapen:
>pre-heat the french press with boiling water for 1-2 minutes while grinding the beans
>pour out the water, pour in the grounds and bring the kettle to a boil again
>water temperature as it leaves the kettle: 98 C
>water temperature as it hits the coffee: 95 C
>water temperature after the pour is finished (5-10 seconds): 92 C
>water temperature after 30 seconds of extraction: 87 C
>water temperature after 4 minutes of extraction 80 C

>>6939172
This is fucking pathetic.

Buy a coffee maker and be done with it. You can't taste the difference, it's all in your head.

>>6939014
>>6939026
>>6939048
>>6939072
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>>6939110
>>6939136


Tip top kek

I will try with lower temperature water tomorrow and post back if the thread is still alive.

I always thought that for regular coffee the temperature didn't matter but for decaf you were supposed to use a lower one.

>>6936581
Yes they do. At the end of the working day, it's common practice to stop at the bar of a cafe to have an espresso.

For breakfast, however, it's always cappuccino.

>>6936498
>>1990+25
>>not drinking coldbrew
Get on your shit fam

>>6936478
With some coffees, I think espresso tastes too weak, so I'll make a flat white. I'll usually just go with drip coffee though.

>>6936478
Is that article referring to the idea that milky espresso drinks taste better when fully homogenous and that latte art contributes to an uneven flavor gradient and increased bitterness (which dulls the taste buds) for the first few sips because the crema is resting on top primarily?


>So, /ck/, how do you make your coffee?
Generally with a v60-01. Grind it pretty fine on the EK43, dump some boiling water on it, stir like a mad man, wait, get them real nice swirls on. Occasionally do some espresso on my Breville 920xl. 10s preinfusion, tap-style distribution, 1:2.5ish brew ratio. You know what it is.
>Should volume matter, or just ratio of ingredients?
Ratio is what is important extraction/flavor wise. Start w/ ratio, adjust to desired volume.

>Is a flat white even worth bothering with, and why is the answer no?
Not big into milky drinks (have to make them all the time though) so it is not my jam. It is also ill defined. Not the worst milky drink because it is at least small, would prefer a cortado. Makes me suspicious of the character of the person who orders one.

>What beans you're using, do you roast yourself,
Right now I have a blend of two lots of pacamara from Phil n Sebastian that I'm finishing up, as well as a constant stream of stuff that I'm working on w/ a local roaster - rn it's Guatemala Waykan and Colombia Cauca Regional Select. Have done some roasting, it's fun when working out a profile, and pretty tedious/meditative/chill for production. A nice change from interacting w/ people 24/7 now and then.

>>6938275
You need a scale - v hard to eyeball without getting drastic differences. Try grinding finer and using a bit less water though.

>>6938393
>use water that is bad at extracting important flavors
When will this meme die. Boil it - especially for pour-over.

>>6939207
>spend more money to make the same quality or slightly worse coffee
Gr8 advice

>>6939172
>>6938393
>>6938404

OK so I took everyone's suggestions into account and tried again with normal coffee.

I figured out the main problem, which was that I was misinterpreting the meaning of a 'cup'. So I was putting one/two spoons of coffee per cup, as per the manual, without realising that a cup is not the same as a mug, but in fact about half.
So I doubled the amount of coffee that I used.

The first time, I used freshly boiled water (let it bubble/boil for ~5 seconds to make sure it was boiling.) Poured it onto the grinds very slowly and let it drip.
It came out OK, but quite bitter for my taste.

Second time I made Japanese-style iced coffee. This time I used half the amount of water and put half a cup of ice into the coffee pot.
The main difference here was that I boiled the water and then waited for the bubbles to go down, then poured it on when it was not-quite boiling.

It came out way better. Not bitter at all and tasted much more like coffee.

So it looks like whoever said that you are supposed to pour it at less-than-boiling was right.

Anyone tried cold brew? I did it twice and both times it tasted like shit

>>6941736
>Your brewer should maintain a water temperature between 195 to 205 degrees Fahrenheit for optimal extraction.
>http://www.ncausa.org

We have the internet. Fucking use it

>>6941736
> I boiled the water and then waited for the bubbles to go down, then poured it on when it was not-quite boiling
This leaves you with water about half a degree f below the boiling point at your elevation. This was not the cause for your better results, instead it was that you changed your brew ratio. Less water through same amount of coffee = less extraction. You were just over extracting before.

>So it looks like whoever said that you are supposed to pour it at less-than-boiling was right.

You actually found the opposite to be true.

>>6936478
>Is a flat white even worth bothering with, and why is the answer no?
It's a great drink in the morning if you happen to find yourself in Australia (or NZ). The few times I've been there that's what I've had, and it was good.

But living in the Northeast the cap I had yesterday looked like OP pic, and it was also fucking delicious.

Once you're on the level of good beans, ground correctly and brewed in a proper steam pump machine at the correct temperature the other details don't really make too much difference.