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you forgot Rum...

a good one, picture related

>>6862838
How would that that rank?

Or Tequila, for that matter.

Bump.

>>6862645

So far as what I drink goes.

Classiness:
Rum>Vodka>Moonshine

Effectiveness/What I usually end up drinking:
Moonshine>Vodka>Rum

You guys can sip on your fuck all expensive brandies and scotches all you want. I'll keep on getting happily drunk making daiquiris with moonshine.

>>6865660
daiquiris are amazing provided you make your simple syrup and squeeze your own lime juice. A hearty layer of some kind of triple sec on top won't hurt either.

>>6865664

here's how I've been making them

>5 parts lime juice
>3 parts simple syrup
>4 parts moonshine (cane sugar, ~160 proof)
>5 parts water

I make my own simple syrup (5:4 sugar/water)
I have a juicer, but I've just been buying lime juice lately

>>6865675
I do
>1 part 80 proof rum (I like bacardi superior, but I'm poor)
>1 part lime juice
>1 part simple syrup (1:1 water sugar)
>2 or 3 cubes of ice
>triple sec on top

but that seems interesting. If I can get my hands on moonshine or high proof liquor I'll try it

>>6862645
>Scotch Whisky
Classy guy.
Idiot.

>>6865680
He means Single Malt I believe.
He doesn't know enough about drinks to have an opinion tbh.

>>6862838
what do you look for in rum?

>>6865679

don't bother with the moonshine, a good white rum is better

I just substitute watered down shine because I get it free from a buddy, saves me having to buy rum, in your case, substitute 9 parts white rum for the shine and water

Wild Irish Rose for the win!

>>6865688
a good old Rum aged in barrel is as good as a Cognac, Armagnac or Whisky... or an "vieille Prune"

you can´t compare tit with Bacardi or other Rums for Cocktails

this one in the picture is only 3000 bottles /year ( a round 120$ each)

>>6865680
Could you clarify your objection? Or do you want me to guess what's got you in a huff? I don't come to /ck/ to experience marital bliss, you know.

>>6865686
I means whisky from Scotland. Single malt was implied.

>classiness

T I P S
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>>6865977
You may not believe in social classes, but social classes believe in you.

>>6865977
Do your parents know that you post memes on a cooking board?

>>6865984
>>6865982

>>6865987
Poor?

>>6865989
kek. I own a $800 bottle of Black Tot rum. But if you think any one particular type of spirit is classier than another, you are surely a fedora/underage

>>6865991
Of course you do.

>>6862645
Don't be dissing my homeland Albania

>>6865991
And that means you have a pedigree. Moving swiftly on.

Do you believe that drinking moonshine doesn't imply anything about a person's background?

If you do, I'd imagine you would deny any class implication to just about anything, as if social class were detectable only by telepathy, or non-existent in the first place. This is called "denial."

liquors, like wine, food , clothes, etc is only a matter of personal preferences and opinions... if you prefer a rum or a cognac is on you. if you prefer spend a lot of money for a bottle of Armagnac or drink free moonshine, its your own choice

>>6866014
So what does drinking cognac imply about a person's class? Rum? Single malt scotch? Because this is 2015 and those things are all available to people across social classes. I've seen trashy hicks down bottles of Remy and trust fund kiddies slam back bum wine.

>>6866031
Well, if it's a fluke, then it's not indicative. It has to be part of their habits, which suggest they are part of a broader culture. Habitually drinking imports is an especially clear sign of wealth.

If your region has the best for an affordable price, then usually that means your region has an economic advantage over others. (Can be a self-fulfilling prophecy: "I want to drink what the hotshots drunk" is the logic you see in hip hop.) If it doesn't, then the devil is in the details of how the locals use their ingredients or how they drink their drinks. Mainly an attitude of patience and inherited non-utilitarian habits.

Quality also comes into it. If you can afford to have regular habits, and share them with others, eventually wheat gets separated from the chaff.

I made a "definitive" sounding statement because I was hoping to be contradicted and learn more about how things are perceived.

>>6866031
>Single malt scotch
kek

>>6866014
As I said before, I own a $800 bottle of rum. I own several >$150 bottles of Scotch. By your definition this would imply I'm part of an "upper social class".

But guess what? I also make moonshine. I also drink PBRs and I eat Burger King when I feel like it.

It's 2015. Scotch, brandy, and champagne are easily available to the masses for a reasonable price. The reason these things used to be so "classy" and privileged was because only the super rich could afford to get champagne or cognac imported from France, or Scotch from Scotland. Nowadays anyone can go down to the liquor store and find a bottle of Hennessy right next to Captain Morgan.

Different spirits no longer have a social class, kid. Sorry to break it to you. Nowadays, people can drink whatever the hell they like. It's just a matter of preference.

>>6866124
>By your definition this would imply I'm part of an "upper social class".
Yes. However, hard liquor is a secondary kind of drink, an after hours thing. In isolation, it implies implications, but if there's no foundation of "classy" eating and drinking, then it's a roof floating in midair. Have you heard the expression, "hood rich"?

>It's just a matter of preference.
And those preferences are indicative of class.
Words are free. Anyone can use any word they want. The different classes still speak differently. The occasional linguistically "hood rich" guy wheels out the words "defenestrate," "sesquipedalian" or "preternatural" and thinks himself very fine, but that doesn’t change his habits.
Hennessy is verging on being a "hood rich" drink, to the point that it's avoided by people who don't want to give that impression.

>>6866124
Post some pls m8
Im interested in the whisky mainly

Which brands are the best per type of spirit that's also good on the pocket?

I already know these for some of the spirits:
Tequila - 1800 Reposado
Bourbon Whiskey - Wild Turkey 81

Anyone know what else is for the other hard liquors?

>>6869237
How about some of Wild Turkey 101 instead?

>>6862838
Do you mind if I copy that rum?

Rakija > Anything else

show what you have at home...

>>6869237
>81
yeah if you're a fucking pussy. Get the 101. Also
>1800
>best Tequila in that price range
hahahahahahahahaha. Just fuckin get some Casamigos or Sparkle Donkey or something.

>>6870623
>Ron Zacapa
You... I like you...

>>6862645
>Cognac
nigger drink
>Armagnac
kek
Brandy
is not classy.
>Gin
No clear liquor is classy
>Scotch
maybe
>Irish
>Classy
you can choose only one
Bourbon
Now we are getting into classy territory
>Vodka
not a chance in hell. #1 drink of homeless bums
>ouzo or any other cordial horseshit
nah my man
>Tequila
I've had some great Anejo's which I would most certainly classify as Classy as fuck. Get yourself a bottle of Don Ramon Reserve Anejo. Hard to find.
>Beringer White Zin
Some classy trophy wives drink it, so....

>>6862645
Hard liquor rankings according to FLAVOUR

Irish wiskey >scotch whiskey > Rye whiskey > bourbon > all other whiskeys

honourable mentions: moonshine and rum


all others shit tier

>>6871021
To correct you my friend:

Islay single malt > Scotch single malt> Irish pot still > quality bourbon > rye > Other Whiskeys excluding Tennessee > Tennessee excluding JD > JD no 17.

>>6871097
I like my whiskey cheap, local, and in a plastic mickey.

Is Bacardi Gold Rum any good for a cheap rum?

Only new money obsesses over 'classiness' and by forcing it they fail.

Hey guys, Grand Marnier is a liqueur, but it is 40%abv. Does it spoil or expire like other liqueurs?

>>6871131
>in plastic
How bad is the plastic leaching into the alcohol?

>>6872034
Isn't it just sweetened Cognac distilled with orange peels? I'd guess the taste and aroma could deteriorate over the years but with so much sugar and alcohol I don't think it can really go bad, especially not when stored properly.

>>6872076
How does the distillation process occur with these things? Are there pieces of orange left on the cognac?

>>6872107
From what I just read they blend the Cognac with distilled essence of bitter oranges and sugar rather than distilling the Cognac together with peels.

Makes sense I guess, since Cognac is more delicate than grain alcohol which you can just dump full of botanicals and run through the still again like they do with gin.

There are no pieces left since oranges don't defy gravity like that to float through a still.

>>6872174
That's pretty nice. So I guess the only real problem Grand Marnier would have would be evaporation killing the taste.

>>6869438
pooty poot detected

>>6872034
Liqueurs can spoil??

Also where is absinthe in this ranking?

>>6872034
liqueurs expire?

>>6872542
>>6872548
Some cream liqueurs expire and they have best by dates IIRC. Not sure if Grand Marnier is included in that category since it's not a cream liqueur. It's distilled essence of fruit with sugar and 40 percent distilled alcohol.

>>6872277
Grand Marnier is a Cognac liqueur. Even if you open it, it will last indefinitely so long as you keep it standing and leave it in a dark, cool area. You know, just like Cognac.

>>6871916
>by forcing it they fail.
Not if they force the right habits, and then completely forget about the fact that they were forced.

Too bad decent cognac is ridiculously expensive compared to other spirits.

>>6872720
Is there no cheap cognac that's good enough for normal drinking nights?

>>6862645
Since when was gin classier than whiskey?

What about Calvados?

>>6872679
That generally only works if people have been brought up that way though.

>>6872552
most liqueurs will last you a good long time even if you leave the god damn cap off, don't worry about it, they're practically made of preservatives with all the sugar and alcohol.

(don't leave the cap off though, and do keep them in a dark, cool, dry cabinet and don't be sloppy with them so they go all crusty around the top like my rather old bottle of midori)

>>6872873
This is the kind of post I was hoping to get.
My rationale was that it is less common and more closely associated with urban cocktail culture than, say, country music.
That's just a rationale, though: I'm open to correction.

>>6873254
True. But art and literature have completely spoiled me for ordinary living. May as well "upgrade" my everyday habits to match my tastes, so that they look more natural. I have to pretend to avoid seeming pretentious. Ironic, isn't it?

>>6873578
So you need to drink single malts in order not to look pretentious reading literature?

I'm not sure it works that way, m8.

>>6873584
Just as well that's not my plan.

>>6873611
Please elaborate on your plan.

>>6873657
Seem like an urban member of the upper middle class.

That's basically it. Might throw in some pretensions to aristocracy if I get bored. Will I play Ottomar Kretzulesco? Only time will tell.

>>6873020
It's an apple brandy

>>6873947
Why will you seem pretentious if you don't do this?

>>6873947
>Seem like an urban member of the upper middle class.
So you're aspiring to the simulation of boring new money plebs who have nothing to do with the arts whatsoever in order to look less pretentious?

Is that it? You don't need brown classy gentleman liquors for that.

>>6869237
>Which brands are the best per type of spirit that's also good on the pocket?
>Tequila - 1800 Reposado
>Bourbon Whiskey - Wild Turkey 101
For Gin at similar price points, it has to be Tanqueray London Dry Gin.

>>6870702
>Bourbon
>Now we are getting into classy territory
Not that I don't enjoy a good bourbon, but are you really trying to say that cognac isn't "classy" while bourbon is? Just because cognac (primarily Hennessy) is glorified in rap lyrics, that doesn't necessarily discredit it. Like how Gucci and Armani are still considered luxury brands despite being referenced primarily by rappers.

>>6875099
Rappers, like nouveau rich Russians and Chinese and such ultimately all look towards old money Europeans as the ultimate example of living the life.

>>6872870
Raynal VSOP brandy is made in Cognac and has that flavor that's specific to Cognac grown brandies. Start with a good one and move on to the cheaper stuff when you can't taste the difference in your drunken stupor.

>>6875099
>tfw you'll never be a bourbon king

>>6875190
Is Paul Masson or E&J Brandy any good?

>>6875675
Just find a Calvados or something

>>6862645

Armagnac > Cognac > Calvados > Scotch Whisky > Other Whiskies > Other Brandies > Vodka

A couple months ago, I wouldn't have rated Cavados so high, but it's really grown on me.

>>6875897
I had that one in Normandy last fall. Very nice. Also really enjoyed pic related.

>>6873965
Because a blue collar guy with a hick accent looks ridiculous if he claims to enjoy the music of Chopin. It's assumed he doesn't really have the background to appreciate it, and is just trying to show off. That among other things. I can't be who I am while remaining who I was born.

>>6875028
Choice of alcohol is only a small aspect. And I have "granddad was a surgeon/judge/architect" upper middle class in mind. It's achievable, and I don't need too much money to do it.

>>6875897
I think unconventional or niche liquors are mostly class-neutral, maybe eccentric in an English aristocratic kind of way.

>>6876725
wow ..

>>6876725
>Because a blue collar guy with a hick accent looks ridiculous if he claims to enjoy the music of Chopin. It's assumed he doesn't really have the background to appreciate it, and is just trying to show off.

you clearly have no exposure to the classical music world, there are tons of rural hicks that ended up as classical musicians because there was nothing to do in their hick town. maybe less so these days with the internet rotting all the kids' brains, but my parents' generation and my generation sent armies of students to big city conservatories to try to become internationally famous soloists (of course most of them ended up assistant concertmaster and becoming someone's trophy wife, but that's just how these things go)

>>6875931
>>6875897
Does a Calvados home made by a Norman grandfather counts as moonshine?
The strongest alcohol in supermarkets is 50% rum, then 40% fruit alcohol, (Disinfectant and burning alcohol is denaturated.), a friend's calva is over 70%.

>>6877164
you know that most alcohol is watered down before selled?

and if he has 70% that's mean that he don't throw away the first part of the alcohol ( higher % less water)and the last part of alcohol (less taste)/who comes out of the distill

a good. distiller kerp only the middle part ( best ratio Alkohol/taste/water around 42-47%)

>>6876915
It's just kind of like some sort of, you know, thing, right?

>>6876924
You're describing the standard meat grinder of labour. They may as well be gardeners or shoe shiners for the purpose of this argument; neither imply great appreciation for flowers or fine footwear. This is about liking something you don't get paid to give to someone else.

>>6877241
>neither imply great appreciation for flowers or fine footwear
You're one of those people who affects an "appreciation" for classical music because he thinks it makes him sound high class

If you actually appreciated it you'd know more about it than name dropping "the blue danube" or "the chopin"

Mildly embarrassing, try not to do this again

>>6877252
>You're one of those people who affects an "appreciation" for classical music because he thinks it makes him sound high class
So, you're saying that if I were perceived as being high class, my taste in music would no longer be considered pretentious?

>If you actually appreciated it you'd know more about it than name dropping "the blue danube" or "the chopin"
I'm not autistic enough to lecture on my favourite early baroque composers in a thread about liquor's social implications. You are autistic enough to expect me to.

>>6877276
>perceived as being
Review the definition of pretentious:
>Pretentious: attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.
Key word: actually

As opposed to "perceived as"

So no, what makes you pretentious is your fixation on what others perceive of you. Not whether you can successfully convince me that you care about classical music.

>>6877285
Yes. I'm glad we're cleared that up. I am going to deceive people and reap the associated benefits; I will not be perceived as rocking the boat or threatening them. So basically I'm golden.

I think I'll pretend to have had a tutor for piano to disguise the fact that I form my own judgments in taste.
Independently evaluating things makes people nervous - what if you evaluate them? But I can pretend my interest is just a quirk of my upbringing, not "my fault," not a sign of independence. *Shrugs theatrically.* Well, gosh, that music just reminds me of the good old days, y'know?

Also, I've downloaded that Bourdieu book. I intend to cadge as much useful information from it as possible.

>>6877164
moonshine is just a generic american phrase for illegally distilled booze.

>>6877310
>yfw you read the book to become more pretentious and you inadvertently become cultured instead
Your plan will fail, pleb.

>>6876725
Actually, it's personalities that are out of the ordinary and seemingly contradictive that are interesting. You just want to turn yourself into a boring predictable cunt because you are scared of scrutiny.

Seems like a bad way to live your life.

>>6862645

all you need is whiskey.

>>6877328
I'm up for either.

>>6877329
Yes. But when you're not under scrutiny, you can get away with more. More latitude is given: you "lend" to a friend with no expectation of getting paid back, but if that friend became destitute, suddenly you (anyone) would feel uncomfortable. Free to those who can afford it, very expensive for those who can't. I also unironically enjoy being respected for my insincere qualities, just as if they were sincere qualities. It's all the one to me.

>>6877458
>uncomfortable
(about giving another "lend," especially if they asked or fished for one)

>>6877458
Keeping it real is ultimately much more rewarding tbh.

Hard liquor is only 80 proof and up, right?

>>6869237

all cuervo is shit

hell, if you want cheap price get sauza or herradura. both decent tequila for a low price. beats the shit out of nasty ass cuervo.

even shit tier montezuma, especially if you're mixing.

>>6878157
What's wrong with Cuervo? Not smooth enough?

>>6862645
Only blacks drink cognac. I used to work at a liquor store in college, and they were literally the only people who bought that shit. It's not classy at all.

>>6878193

it tastes like they added sugar or some shit to it. you want a really good tequila, you can get one for under 50 bucks. try el tesoro de don felipe reposado. they manage to distill it to proof, not distill it up and cut it back down with water.

the flavor is amazing. i also prefer the reposados. the anejos take on too much a whiskey flavor for me.

>>6878245
>they manage to distill it to proof, not distill it up and cut it back down with water.
Wait, but isn't this what almost every whiskey and brandy does?

>>6878275
>distill it up and cut it back down with water.
Wait, but isn't this what almost every whiskey and brandy does?

>>6878202
maybe in USA... that about 5% of the market of cognac.. totally irrelevant

>>6878245
>el tesoro de don felipe
They still make that stuff? I used to love it back when I drank tequila but I never see it anymore (this was in the 1990s)

>>6878457

yeah. can be hard to find. have my local liquor store order it for me.

>>6878545
What a shame. Seems like all the good tequila has been replaced with various hyped up fake brands invented by dirtbag CEOs and pop stars.

>>6878457
Going to try and check out if my store has that and some mead.

>>6875110
Do they drink much cognac? Always had the impression that they got loaded on single malt whisky in an armchair by the fire while wearing a plaid robe and scratching a dog's ear. (Very specific image but what can you do.)

>>6862645
I drink vodka because it's cheap. Should i just say fuck it and drink well before I off myself in 3 months?

>>6879722
If you're really going to kill yourself, yeah, might as well. If it just makes you feel good to think you're going to, but you'll never end up doing it, then no. The long term health effects of hard drinking are increasingly uncomfortable as life goes on. It's not worth it.

If you plan to off yourself, struggle through the emotional/mental pain and you'll find something better down the path most of the time. People with real terminal illnesses want to live, but they can't. You can.

Women problems aren't worth dying over, since getting married = divorce and alimony 70% of the time. Raising children costs way more money than you get back through sending them to college and buying them healthcare.

Close to half of men will never pass down their genes worldwide, so don't fret about not fucking anyone.

Shitty family problems can be rectified by going through work and ignoring them. Earning cold hard cash solves this problem.

If you can't get a nice job, find a trashman or security guard job, then impress your bosses to send you to their fucking admin office for a secretary job. Or get an internship.

If you think your university is about to fuck you at the end of this semester, fucking study harder and don't fuck sluts. Go ask your professors for help at the end of every class. If they're not heartless, they'll help you.

If you don't have a date to the prom or your childhood infatuation got fucked by some jock, work that day and earn mad cash and save the money. Aim to put it in savings account or something. She wasn't worth it she'd have slept with someone else even if you did bang her.

If you can't access your unemployment aid money, contact your county/state representatives to help you immediately. They can speed up the process.

I can't solve your problems for you. No one on this thread can, except you. Isolate problem, determine proper path to solve problem, apply solutions to solve problem. This is my post to prevent you from offing yourself. That's all I can do.

>>6879727
Drinking well probably means drinking good whiskey, brandy, and cognac which are expensive, which means less alcohol consumed overall, because not enough money to buy it.

>>6879658
Brandy after dinner is a time tested richfag tradition.

>>6879995
GB seams to be the biggest market for Cognac in Europe... ans GB is not famous for bis gangsta rap scene...