/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>6830173
>Why would you save McDonalds?
ftfy

>>6830173

The24 hour breakfast would certainly help.

McGriddles are the single best thing they make. Wouldn't ever even look at a McDonald's if they didn't have those.

>>6830173
Too many cheapasses buying the mc double.

Instead, I remove 1 patty and replace it with cheese.

It's still a double cheese burger - 1 patty 2 cheeses

>>6830192
McGriddles are overly sweet. Sausage biscuit is the only good thing on the breakfast menu

>15 dollar min wage might actually cull all the mcdonalds

damn son

>>6830173
>We're losing money because we have too many menu items and we have a public image of being unhealthy. What should we do about it?
>Sir, I believe we should move forward with my new Buttermilk chicken patty initative. That will save the company!

And so they did. And then they ate their own shoes.

>>6830192

lol i will never understand how people like the breakfast menu. But sure, go make it 24h so i can actually go there before 11 am

>>6830173
McDonalds fries are SO nasty I want a no fries option for my meal. Burger King fries are so much better.

Then again, I am in Germany. Not sure if they are the same in America.

McD's
>expensive but shitty quality

literally every other burger place
>expensive but good quality

what McD's should be
>shitty food for cheap

I can get a giant-ass döner for 3€, meanwhile McD has been removing one dollar menu item after another here and started to push their garbage deluxe branding.
Nigga i don't go to mcdonalds to get "deluxe" anything.

>>6830173
The last time I ate McDonald's was over a year ago(the had a buy one get one sandwich for a penny deal)...
I took about 3 bites of the burger and I had a instant headache. I was driving and had to pull over to throw up. (I'm not the healthiest of eaters and was having McDonalds maybe 1-2 a month before this but I didn't have it for about a month before this).
Once I threw up I instantly felt better. Haven't had it since August of last year.

>>6830173

Use buzzwords like "organic", "all-natural", "grass fed", "veggie", "low fat", "healthy". Make a low-calorie menu. Advertise it everywhere. Make the dollar menu bigger. Make a vegetarian burger. Add more limited time things to the menu. Make a turkey burger.

>>6830603
>vegetables are a buzzword
uhhmmerrricaaaa.exe

>>6830173
Make the dollar menu worthwhile again. They fucked up bad when they started removing shit from the dollar menu. Also reduce prices in general because right now it literally costs $6+ for a shitty sandwich and some fries.

>>6830173
>mad fatty just wants more fries

>>6830444
Do you seriously not know how to order things from the menu without ordering the meal?
How autist are you?

>>6830611
How are you doing this so wrong.

If yall niggas don't eat the filet of fish, yall be trippin

>>6830443
You're looking down on people liking the breakfast menu, but are saying that you will go get mcdonalds breakfast more if it's 24 hours?

>>6830551
exactly this, Mcdonalds should accept themselves for the cheap and shitty place they are instead of trying to make themselves seem like a premium place.

>>6830173
They are just getting beaten out by fast casual options like chipotle and make your own pizza places as well as "high quality" burger places like 5 goys, shake shack, super duper burger etc

>>6830608

I didn't mean it like that.

>>6830656
Isn't Shake Shack more of an exclusively New York thing though?

Oh, and Kuwait or some other gulf state with a penchant for fast food and obesity

>>6830173
Allow franchise owners to actually manage their business and reduce fees

>>6830696
This

They making shit decisions like rejecting the mcwhopper event
They need to get rid of all the delux shit no one orders and the wraps and the weird chicken ball fillings
Just focus on expanding the dollar menu stuff

bring back the old pre-anti-trans fats fries

>>6830215
Not just that, but vast multinational business conglomerates will no longer be able to make a profit off of the misfortune and desperation of their workers, who will instead be able to obtain a higher standard of living

it's a win/win for everyone

>>6830780
Except those jobs just won't exist.

>>6830603
This is a terrible idea and goes with their failed marketing. They've tried to appeal to nicer shit, it doesn't work because you can't have it both ways. You can't keep the "Classic McDonalds" to retain customers but preach you're totally new.

Remember when Taco Bell also tried doing this with their fresca menu? Then Taco Bell realized people go there because it's cheap and shitty. They embraced the doritos and made bank. McDonalds needs to accept their niche and work at that. The big obstacle for them really is the price of beef. Why should I pay 8~ dollars for a combo at McDonalds while I can get much better food for the same pricepoint or marginally higher?

>>6830692
Yea and Super duper burger is bay area CA, just examples of regional burger chains that people are choosing over mcds

>>6830803
there's always a niche to be filled

>>6830772
>MUH TRANS FATS ARE GOOD
i bet you smoke too you filthy disgusting excuse for a human being.
you're probably sitting there shitfaced drunk, and high as hell, ruining your dumb ass body because you don't know how to take care of yourself, or rather, refuse to. you people fucking disgusting, i mean fuck i'm pissed. whenever i see a fucking ignorant comment like that, i fucking lose it. i mean, what the actual fuck is wrong with you? Real, non poisonous food isn't good for you? why don't you grow the fuck up, or just get lunchables and stfu like all the other man children do.
fuck you, drop dead.

Mc Donalds is doing just fine. I wish moot were still here so the shills could just be banned and these threads would stop existing

>>6830814
It they are struggling to retain business, the niche has already been filled by their competitors. Or if they all have to put up with the wage increase, touchscreens and automation will replace many of them. Less workers for more work.

>>6830803

Congratulations, you've been brainwashed by billion dollar company propaganda to believe that paying their employees living wages would cost more than an additional 10c per visit for the customer

>>6830822
see
>>6830829


a dying company investing in extremely expensive computer equipment rather than paying their workers more?

>Inb4 muh new york waiters
that's one store

>>6830772
do you mean swap back to the beef tallow fries?
Trans fats ARE bad for you, but we didn't know that til they switched from beef tallow to trans-fat fries which are shit and poo

>>6830854
yes, those, the fries of my childhood

>>6830551
same here.

I'm in new york city. I'd much rather get a kebab or gyro or chicken over rice from a cart for $5 than a 'value' meal from mcdonalds for like $6 - $7

>>6830879
but what about your complimentary refills and heart disease?

>>6830780
You do know that most McDonald's are franchises operated by families right? Most of them are forced to lay off worker becuase the higher wages are cutting into their already small profit margin.

>>6830192
This

>>6830850
>one-time investment in efficient equipment that may help their image
>a lifetime higher wage to Tyrone & Co. because he thinks he deserves more than what he makes
Hmmmm, haven't heard what they're doing in Australia yet, I presume?

>>6830900
>implying anons you're replying to know jack all about how franchises work or have ever worked minimum wage themselves
They're sheltered collegefags whose moms and dads paid their way through everything and now want to give themselves warm fuzzies by armchair advocating for policies that they think will do good but they don't really understand.

>>6830900
So the workers should have to suffer because the rich franchisees can't turn a profit?

>>6830913
>"y-you mean the rich make themselves richer on the backs of the working?"

>>6830920
yeah pretty much

>>6830913
The people running the franchises aren't necessarily rich either. A lot of them take out loans to afford the franchise fee. If you want to stick it to corporate, then get people to sell their stock.

>>6830932
Compared to their employees they're rich as shit

>>6830818
You need to calm down buddy boy, have a cigarette

>>6830952
>waaaahh I don't get paid enough to do menial work
>why do others who do more important work get paid more
>why do I never have any money I only make bad financial decisions every other day

>>6830952
And compared to the McDonald's CEO, he's poor. You know if you keep climbing the ladder there's always someone richer than someone else. What does that prove?

>>6830978
That wealth needs to be redistributed

>>6830173
Let them die, the world never needed them

>>6830962
>projecting this hard
not my fault you flunked out of college

>>6830611
americans are becoming so poor, wages are stagnant while costs have gone up, to where a 6 dollar meal is considered expensive

what the fuck?

>>6831068
You're misinterpreting the point.
6$ for a shitty burger and fries is too much. At that cost Id rather just make it at home.

>>6831076
>>6831068
you're both right though

>>6831076
i dont see how it's too much money. you go in there, they cook it, you eat, they clean up the garbage. convenient, hassle free, and inexpensive.

you want a steak? probably not your best bet, but for the above, reasonable price.

>>6831076
You can't make a burger and fries for $6 unless thats all you're eating for a few days

>>6830912

>>a lifetime higher wage to Tyrone & Co. because he thinks he deserves more than what he makes

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/sunday-review/americas-productivity-climbs-but-wages-stagnate.html?_r=0

>From 1973 to 2011, worker productivity grew 80 percent, while median hourly compensation, after inflation, grew by just one-eighth that amount, according to the Economic Policy Institute, a liberal research group. And since 2000, productivity has risen 23 percent while real hourly pay has essentially stagnated.

M-MUH BILLIONAIRES CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY MORE MUH BOOTSTRAPS MUH HARD WORK

>>6831112
The problem is they're not making the billionaires pay anything. They're making the middlemen-- the franchise owners-- pay. The would've been better off making a policy that forces corporate to cover some of the wage cost.

>>6831130

I know, I was simplifying it for the retards who at this time and age are still defending big corporations paying unlivable wages to their workers, as if raising wages to living standards is going to implode the economy

brainwashed retards who Trump is da best cos he speaks his mind xD

>>6831130
There actually was just a ruling with a sanitation company that has set the precedent for corporations to be considered employers of their franchisees' employees.

>>6830643
He's saying if breakfast is 24 hours, then dinner would be too, so breakfast burgers for that amerifat

>wages stagnant since '00
>biggest wealth disparity in history, SPECIALLY since the '08 crash (a minuscule elite owns most of the wealth) while paying less taxes than the middle class
>brainwashed retards earning minimum wage still defending corporations paying unlivable wages and forcing the employees to get food stamps

why are a large part of Americans so fucking stupid?

>>6831151
because if rich people don't get all the money, how are they going to give us jobs, stupid? you are clearly a teenager who doesn't understand how job creation works. also something something the niggers.

>>6831151

>wages stagnant since '00

try the 70s

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/04/17/by-one-measure-wages-for-most-u-s-workers-peaked-in-1972/

Some suggestions for a better mcd.

1. Hotter food. My food always comes lukewarm. Most times my big macs are cold or turn cold in seconds.

2. Longer fresher fries. At disney world they serve these long fresh hot fries. The pinnacle of the form. Do this.

3. Revert to 80s formulas. Go back to certain recipes, oils, and standards. Mcd isnt doing shit just because of prices.. The consumers can literally taste a decline. Go back to the golden arch days... I can taste the difference in their meat because they changed up seasonings to a more pepper based.

4. Theres two options. The regular mcdonalds where every meal complete should be 6 bucks. And the sitdown
Gourmet fare where you are served, everything larger, etc. keep the old crowd and cater to the new.

5. All day breakfast. Boom.

6. Weekly and monthly options. Go crazy. Make people show up to taste the
Meme. Offer double bigmacs with fries wrapped in bacon infused with cheese
And big mac dipping sauce. Offer punch cards where you buy an item and recieve it free (mcd membership benefits?)

7. Actually pay attention to every location. And that leaves me with the final sentence. Figure a way, through alchemy, to get rid of the oily state of the
Whole place. Im am decent white guy with fair sensitive skin. Dont want to sound rascist but i love mcd food but going inside and its like i turn into a smelly nigspic. Everything is sticky and misty because of fries... Just overall disgusting. Who the fuck would want to sit there and deal with the fumes let alone be happy working in that enviroment.. Its hazardous. You want people in the resturant? Enclose kitchens and filter something by way of ronalds magic.

>>6830173
They just need to get with the times and put these things in all their restaurants. It's 20fucking15. Even smaller places have apps and shit where you can order and pay for your shit ahead of time.
Why do I still have to talk to someone on a shitty muffled speaker to place an order?
I should just be able to order my shit on my phone and pay on my phone and the only person I have to see is the guy handing me my meal. I don't get why fast food is so behind on this.

>>6830173
>What's going on? How would you save McDonalds?

Make it a whites-only establishment.

Also, add a curry dish. And a lamb burger.

>>6831146
>so breakfast burgers for that amerifat
You still make zero fucking sense

>>6831226
>Make it a whites-only establishment
>Add curry

How many flyovers do you meet that actually eat curry?

>>6831215
Yeah one reason I do love 5 guys is because I can just order my shit on their app and pay with it as well. Literally all I have to do is walk in and pick up my food and leave.
I can also save my order and card for next time so all I have to do is hit 2 buttons and my order is sent to them.

>>6831245
I've never been very far left on my economic position, but I honestly don't have a solution for how to deal with automation of low-skill jobs. Not everybody has the mental capacity to be a high-skilled laborer. Government redistribution of wealth is going to become more important to maintain social stability, but where does that end? Will we have to instate a one-child policy like China? How do we keep people busy when there's no viable employment options for them?

Hard Mode: No genocide

>>6831235
Not the guy, but you're retarded if you can't understand. The guy wants all time restrictions removed from menus so that he can get burgers when the breakfast menu would normally have been open and the dinner menu normally closed. So, burgers for breakfast. Breakfast burgers.

Fuck you're dumb

>>6831300
Star Trek economy

>>6831300
Make a virtual reality where the surplus can live out their lives in fabricated reality a la Matrix style.

>>6831300
>Will we have to instate a one-child policy like China
I would be all for this tbh.
What the fuck do people need 5 kids for? Most people that have that many kids can't afford to take care of them all anyway.

Bring back the Arch Deluxe. Other than that stop making such shitty food.

>>6830900
>You do know that most McDonald's are franchises operated by families right?

So fucking what? How is that remotely relevant?

>>6831492
People like to scream "CORPORATE EVIL" when most franchise owners (the ones setting the wages) are barely making any money as it is. An increase in wages needs to be paired with lower fees and requirements for franchise owners.

>>6831517
>most franchise owners (the ones setting the wages) are barely making any money

Again. how is it relevant that they're lousy business people?

>>6831524
McDonald's can exert huge pressure on franchise owners. It's not really their fault that they can't get a good deal.

Are you advocating a certain position, or are you just shitposting? Following your logic, I would say the employees are the most lousy business people considering they aren't even paid a living wage.

>>6830192
not a terrible idea anon. bravo. sonic did the same.
>>6830551
this. i remember in college mcdonalds being relatively cheap but now it's gotten expensive. all fast food has gotten expensive. maybe it's the economic conditions of our time but fast food just isn't the bang for the buck it used to be.

also, no one thinks fast food is healthy. mcD's isn't any more unhealthy than most other burger options but maybe they could make some creative changes. imagine mcD's wiht Arby's fries.

and why the fuck is the mcrib something special and seasonal? it's a shitty processed pork sandwich smothered in sugar sauce.

>>6831540
If your business still can't make money despite paying your labor the least amount you can under the law, your business model is shit and you deserve what you get..

>>6831559
Went to McDonald's yesterday, paid $7.50 for a 10 piece chicken nugget meal. I could get a really good fucking meal at a non-fast food place for that price or cheaper... I don't really understand.

>>6831590
does BK have 10 nuggets for 1.50? plus fries and a medium drink you're looking at 4-5 tops.

>>6831581
If you still can't make a living with all the information available to us through the internet, you're a shitty person and you deserve what you get. Fucking burger flippers. Oh wait, they don't even do that.

>>6831097
Thing is, I *could* buy a cheap hanger steak for $6 or less. I always have potatoes and some veggies at home to go with it.

why the fuck would i go to mcdonald's?

>>6831110
2-3 potatoes, 1$
Bun from bakery section, 50 cents
1/2 pound of 80/20 ground beef, 2-3 dollars.

>>6831540
>>6831517

McDonalds aren't going to just lower their franchise fees out of the goodness of their hearts so Acne Mcburgerflipper can have a better wage.

However if the legal minimum wage being raised makes it impossible to turn a profit, franchisees will look to other investment opportunities and McD's will be forced to lower their fees to attract them.

>switch to good buns
>use beef that actually tastes good
>drop the MCgarbage branding
>eliminate half the menu, time consuming products
>revert to retro branding
>actually train employees

And start the whole thing on the west coast and make a big deal about it. The east coast will eat that shit up because it's suddenly chic for some unknown reason

>>6830173
Better fucking meat, problem solved. Their meat is the worst of all the fast food restaurants. It's absolutely disgusting. The only edible things on the menu are their chicken sandwiches and angus burgers.

>>6831594
are you willing to eat 10 "chicken" nuggets if they only cost $1.50?

think about that before you say yes.

>>6831110
Uh. Yes you can unless ground beef is like 10$/lb. When I make burgers the individual cost for each burger is around a dollar. I spend like 15$ at the store and I can make like 15 big ass fucking burgers. And I get expensive canadian prices, not even cheap fat american prices.

>>6831709
>nuggets
>not actually chicken
all nuggets are the same relatively speaking.

>unlimited fries option

Thankfully you're not in charge of anything of financially

>>6831602
This.
I did taxes for poor people last year, and dear god they make some horrible financial decisions. Like purchasing frivolous luxury items and donating way to much of their income to their church (one guy donated $2,000. Which was 10% of his yearly income. I felt bad informing him that he couldn't deduct it from his taxes).
So by>>6831581 logic, they're shitty and deserve what they get.

>>6831336
No, your English is just terrible and makes you sound like a monkey with peanut butter in your mouth

>>6831559
>and why the fuck is the mcrib something special and seasonal?
germany has the mcrib all year

>>6830173
Who cares when we have Wendeys, or Harveys?

>>6831865
>Harveys
Do what now?

>>6831865
canadian gentleman? i had to google it.

>>6831698
First three points are garbage, but I think you're on to something with the last three.

>>6831716

So you shouldn't have any problem posting your recipes and receipts? Go ahead and educate us.

>>6831636

Can't buy 1/2 of ground beef, can't buy a single bun, go to a real grocery store and stop stealing things from mom's kitchen

>>6831623

The veggies and potatoes weren't free, you paid for them when you didn't even need them and you assume everyone had time to go home and cook in their little kitchen on their lunch break

>>6831954
>Can't buy 1/2 of ground beef, can't buy a single bun

Wut?

>>6831954
you can buy all of that single, or by weight, at any deli counter anon.

McDonalds actual problems:

1. Price of beef has blown the fuck up. Who wants to pay that much for fucking ground beef slabs? Taco Bell works because they drown their beef with all kinds of ingredients.

2. Seen as unhealthy, which is very much is. Their healthy options aren't purchased by people because people who eat that stuff just pick it up at a grocery store instead.

3. Their employees don't give a fuck because they are paid shit, have their wages stolen in many cases, and the clientele are fucking terrible people.

How to fix these problems?

1. Offer decent items that are non-beef. They need to step up their chicken game. They also need to offer better non burger sandwiches, featuring filling ingredients that aren't meat so they can maintain decent profit margins. Become the fast food Panera, for less. Offer better breakfast items, because honestly, their breakfast isn't what it used to be. The biscuits are too buttery, their pancakes suck dick, and their bacon is the fucking laughing stock of the planet.

2. Offer healthier items that people will actually want to pay for. Improve the wraps, because honestly, they're fucking gross and not healthy. Breaded chicken covered in shitty sauce and wrapped in the cheapest tortilla ever isn't exactly enticing.

3. Well, this isn't going to change unless you entice better people to give McDicks a chance.

>>6831954
>Can't buy 1/2 pound of ground beef

Nigger, what?

>>6831716
15 dollars won't make 15 huge ass burgers. You need to purchase buns, and toppings. It might make like, 4.

>>6832011
ten dollars for a pack of prefrozen 25/75 patties
two bucks for buns
a dollar for an onion
that still leaves two bucks for a beer

>>6832036
prefrozen patties aren't huge burgers. Those things shrink up into nothing.

What, you only put onions on your burgers? Lmao you are a fucking pleb

>>6832011
I don't think he's talking about huge ass burgers. He probably means thin patties like the ones at McDonalds.

McDonalds gets 10 of their standard patties out of one pound of their shit-tier ground beef. Definitely reasonable to make 15 burgs with his pricing.

>>6831725

>some outliers represent a trend

it isn't a livable wage. Period.

middle class people who support no livable minimum wage are the stupid ones, as a big chunk of their taxes goes towards social programs for people who have min. wage jobs and can't even support themselves. thus they practically are subsidizing multi-billion companies.

this is what brainwashing does to you.

>>6832092
>I spend like 15$ at the store and I can make like 15 big ass fucking burgers

simplify
simplify
simplify
simplify

two different sized burger patties max, toppings offered should be basic
chicken should be offered, but only fried and with no options
fish should be offered only as a necessity

get rid of EVERYTHING else, no fucking wraps, no shitty salads, don't try to go upscale and offer baconbuttermilkangus shit
trying to sell a 10 dollar hamburger from mcdonalds and fucking it up is what is killing mcdonalds
and that goes beyond price
streamlining shit to be as quick and accurate as possible means faster orders and happier people

I don't think anyone goes there to get a good meal or even a decent burger
they go for a cheap quick fix

>>6830913
>spot the Bernie Sanders voter

>>6830998

>>6832036
that means you're gonna get about 2oz of beef per burger and it's not even good quality burger at that

You don't even have cheese
you're a nigger

>>6831954
>Can't buy 1/2 of ground beef, can't buy a single bun, go to a real grocery store and stop stealing things from mom's kitchen

>lol what is unit pricing

yes, liberals are in fact this stupid

>>6832323
Go back to pol you piece of shit

>>6830900
you have...

no...

fucking...

idea...

if the top paid employees on the executive corporate board of mcdonalds all distributed their pay to all the bottom tier employees, everyone would make an extra 300 per year or so.

also, no one would want to be on the executive board since its hard fucking work, and few people can do it, and there will always be positions for those that can run something as big as mcdonalds. so, they'd go out of business after that first year where everyone made an extra 300.

and if you doubled employee wages, you would pretty much have to double the price of the food as well, since employee pay is by far the largest expense of fast food franchises, usually about 75%. i have experience. i've worked in middle management liason supervising, and done scheduling and budgeting and ordering. that's what its going to be the vast majority of the time.

so if a big mac costs 5 bucks now, it will cost 9 dollars after a minimum wage doubling. and then they'll go out of business.

realistically, they'll replace them with machines.

and furthermore, someone working in burger king doesn't deserve a living wage. they should just have to get by on less - as a poor person. that's how it is. tough shit. its only going to get worse if you try to make shitty misguided immoral decisions forcing people to do things with their money that in their personal judgement they shouldn't have to do, which, ironically, is how we got to this position, since it used to be that a couple roommates could both work at mcdonalds and live meagerly but be fine, have some cheap gf, etcetera, if they got fire for frying their hats, they'd go across the street to burger king.

its funny how people that pay no mind to the morality of their desired mandates and decrees upon businessmen always end up making things worse.

>>6832317

yeah good thing hybrid socialist-capitalist societies don't exist with the purpose of balancing the best of capitalism with a healthy middle class and high standards of livings

oh wait

>>6830998
lol no
fucking poorfags

>>6832349
>everyone would make an extra 300 per year or so

>>6832349

>so if a big mac costs 5 bucks now, it will cost 9 dollars after a minimum wage doubling. and then they'll go out of business.

Americlap economics everyone

>>6830920
>>y-you mean the rich make it so that a person can prevent themselves from dying by literally just flipping a burger, and that they do this for millions of people but those people are so wicked and stupid and envious and ungrateful that they demand more and more?

poor people deserve it. if it wasn't for the rich, they'd be dead anyways.

nobody deserves to have other people do things for them without having done something in return.

>>6832349
>75%

lol no
20%

>>6832358
its actually more like 60 dollars, but i was being generous.

>>6832359
that's what i would bet on.

>>6832349
>and furthermore, someone working in burger king doesn't deserve a living wage

why do americans lack empathy? why is "fuck you I got mine" America's motto?

McDonald's reinvented itself with the dollar menu, after is post super size me snafu of trying to be healthier with less portions. Now that it went from double cheeseburger, to mcdouble, to a mcdouble and fries for $2.50 as its new deal, the economy has caught up to its pricing.

Now that it's $7.00 for a sandwich/fries/drink meal, nobody wants to get that when there are so many more options. What was considered ridiculous two years ago at BK for 2 premium sandwiches for $5, is suddenly more alluring.

That and now they're trying to be more high end with their new releases of products, which is completely counterintuitive when it's supposed to be the lowest common denominator of fast food.

>>6830173
>Unlimited fries option for your meal.
Not gonna happen. Fries and sodas yield their greatest profit margins.

>>6830173
They have to start paying everyone 15 dollars an hour, of course revenue is failing.

>>6832368
you don't know what you're talking about. i've actually done scheduling. for a bakery. and ordering. so i'd look at the weekly budget and what product we needed to keep up with production. an average weekly expense budget would be about 23,000 dollars. employee wages would account for at least 14,000. a ton of flour, for reference, would usually fluctuate between 340 and 550 dollars. wages are not less then 60 percent of a fast food joints budget. and it can approach 80 percent for some kinds of places.

>>6832381
justice is superior to compassion. a man deserves what he earns, no more, and no less. your emotions won't put a single loaf of bread onto someones plate.

>>6830900
>family run

You know that it costs 500,000 to open a mcdonalds franchise, and you need a operational budget of 1.5 million.

They might be family run, but they are millionaire family run.

>>6830932
>Loan for franchise fee

McDonalds does not allow this. You need half a million liquid.

>>6832390

>a man deserves what he earns, no more, and no less

oh is that right? and who gets to decide what somebody earns at X job? do tell please

>>6832389
>bakery
And I've done scheduling for 2 pizza places, a frozen yogurt shop, and a burger joint. 20% was my labor budget everywhere. For example when I managed a Domino's my goal was 18%. My bonus goal was 16% and I got yelled at for 22.

>>6832403

you deserve what you agreed to trade for. if i say, i'll give you 9 bucks to flip burgers for one hour, and you say ok and do it, you deserve 9 bucks.

do you really have no understanding of what you deserve and don't deserve? this new generation of kids is fucking ruined. they're simply not gonna make it. lots of middle class kids are gonna be lower class adults with that attitude.

>>6832414
why would you even support an argument that you had to lie to support?

>>6832390
Justice is garbage but even if you believe in it, I fail to see how getting paid enough to survive is anything but justice.

>>6831954
Have you ever been to a grocery store? Single buns are available at the bakery and you can ask the butcher to get you a 1/2 pound of ground beef. They usually make 1/2 pound packages of the stuff at the start of the day since it's a common request.

>>6832428
And if people say they deserve 15 bucks, and their management is forced to concede to that rate of pay, then they've earned their 15 bucks.

>>6830633
Yeah those are pretty fucking good

>>6832428

Found the randroid


>you deserve what you agreed to trade for. if i say, i'll give you 9 bucks to flip burgers for one hour, and you say ok and do it, you deserve 9 bucks.

lmfao.

>I told you I was going to pay your child 10c per carload of charcoal. Why are you complaining?? Your son has a job!

And when the majority of the population is in favour of higher wages but your plutocrats overlord are against it because next quarter that might put a -5% dent on the revenue, ofc the people are a bunch of lazy fucks stealing the money from a hard workin apple pie eatin bootstrappy American (who offshore the majority of their money and thanks to loopholes and accounting tricks gets to pay a lower tax % than his secretary)

But don't let that get in the way of your sociopathic Republican wet dream you fucking sociopath. No country on Earth has been able to pay a basic livable wage and have high standards of living right?

>>6832428
Stop bullshitting man. Maybe your bakery ran at 60%. but bakeries and fast food are very different beasts. Personally I think you are just full of shit.

There are plenty of ex-managers here. We've had these conversations. 20% labor fast food. 33% labor traditional dining.

>>6832442

no no, anon, you see, the "people" are just freeloaders who just want to take the Hard Working Billionaire's money! Why should he pay taxes to support a bunch of good for nothing lazies?? Let the Invisible Hand of the Free Market decide the wages, after all corporations are always fair in their judgement!

>>6830443
It actually ends at 1030

>>6832358
that's actually true. you could take a CEO's wage and it would only give employees a few dollars extra a week

>>6832428
>you deserve what you agreed to trade for.

People take and pay what they can get away with. Deserving has nothing to do with it. It's all a matter of power. Do you seriously have no idea why labor unions started? It was exactly because the attitude of "I got away with it, so you don't deserve shit."

>>6832436
>>justice is garbage

under that pretense, no actions whatsoever are objectionable, so why not just dock employee pay if you don't make enough money? after all, who cares if its unjust?

>>6832442
>>forced

through a union? go ahead and try it. sure. you're free to do so. so long as you don't use criminal tactics to prevent people from taking the jobs while you're on strike.

through violence via law? threatening to throw someone in jail and take his stuff away if he doesn't give you money? congratulations, any businessman worth a shit is going to simply leave for somewhere else, leaving even less business more poorly run in the area.

hope he doesn't go crazy and just shoot some place up.

>>6832446

yes, child labor used to be good and useful. it should still be allowed honestly. nowadays, children are fucking worthless for mining. they couldn't do it. wouldn't trust them with the advanced machinery and processes involved. just like slaves. slaves used to be good for picking cotton. now? the man with slaves has been put out of business by the man with a combine.

majority means nothing. democracy is hell. just because a lot of people want to force you to do something doesn't mean you should have to, which is what government is supposed to protect you from... the mob rule.

nobody is stealing money. its all above table. the people you're complaining about pay virtually all the fucking taxes, while employees of mcdonalds idea of taxes is actually a fat check at the end of the year.

you call me the sociopath for wanting peaceful trade over the vicious mob rule and action by violence of a bunch of envious poor idiots who 100 years ago wouldn't own a refrigerator, a phone, a car, video games, tv, a radio, music? when 60 percent of all taxes go to welfare programs for helping the poor, 80% of which the top 30% of wealth pays for?

fuck you, commie. you're what's going to ruin the beautiful country we built.

>>6832479

and the premise of the argument is retarded. it is literal bullshit. nobody is advocating paying 20 bucks an hour to CEOs. What people want is to be able to even survive with a min wage salary

>>6832487

what a sad, disturbed individual.

>>6832487
You seem to have spent some time on it, but you're still a really lousy troll.

>>6832403
>who gets to decide what somebody earns at X job

the demand for labor, for one thing.

If the demand for labor is high enough for a janitor to make $20 an hour, which has happened before, then that worker will earn said Jackson per hour.

But if the economy is in the shitter and there are more people per jobs, then the job decides how much it will pay that person.

This is not a conservative vs liberal statement, this is macroeconomics.

>>6832496
>>how could someone possibly not believe in using violence to get what you want

>>6832498
Around here Janitors make 20/hour

>>6832503
You're actually getting worse at this. You should have stopped while you had us going if you didn't have a plan for followup.

>>ignoring the fact that fast food could be automated and that fast food jobs are literally charity and welfare already

>>6832515
i'm not trolling. i believe every word of what i say. because i'm not a philosophically and morally bankrupt individual. i've been very poor before. even then, i would rather do with less then pretend i had a right to tell someone else what to do with the veiled threat of violence behind it.

now i'm doing quite well, because my ethics and productivity have endeared me to every single person i've worked for, and they have always bent over backwards to help me get ahead.

people are primarily lazy and worthless and should have to get by on what they earn. do without luxuries. be homeless. fucking whatever. not my problem. just because you want something doesn't mean you can have it.

and what the fuck does 'living wage' mean anyways? people aren't dying. what they SHOULD be campaigning for is a lowering of hygiene standards...

>>6832529
>because i'm not a philosophically and morally bankrupt individual

>>6832529
They are dying. Life expectancy for those making less than 20k a year is 20 years shorter than those making over 100k a year.

>>6832535
yeah, i forgot its really fashionable and trendy right now to not care about if something is right or wrong, and if its something i should or should not do. my b,

>>6832541

>yeah, i forgot its really fashionable and trendy right now to not care about if something is right or wrong,

>what they SHOULD be campaigning for is a lowering of hygiene standards...

either autistic or b8

>>6832540

and before the evil rich people gave them medicine, vaccines, medicine, safe food, a variety of healthy food, fortified food, and a system of law that reversed the trend of homicide being the leading cause of death, they were dying at fucking 40.

whats your point?

you think that just because you were born you deserve to have teams of people who spent a decade studying hard and learning his trade use multi-million dollar machines to keep you alive for another 20 years?

you seriously fucking think that your SUPERIORS are your SLAVES?

get fucked. for real.

>>6832553

have you ever once in your pathetic fucking life considered that right and wrong matter?

are you so god damned sheltered that you don't realize that if you lowered hygiene standards the kinds of people that can't regularly wash their clothes could have jobs? that the standards are there because of YOUR demands, and that YOU could say 'we don't care' and thus help a lot of people get jobs more easily?

these fucking kids are doomed.

they could open up some stores here in iran

>>6832560

>have you ever once in your pathetic fucking life considered that right and wrong matter?

I was wondering the exact same thing about you

>>6832560
I'm just saying a living wage is a wage that allows you to live

>>6832139
Absolutely. Menu should revert to pic related. No more fancy shit. if they want to keep the filet o fish and big mac as the two "premiums" fine. Also bring back the slogan "mcdonalds hamburgers/by them by the bag".

>>6832573
nobody is dying because they don't make enough money. even people who don't make any money at all don't usually die.

>>6832572

so name a single proposal of yours that doesn't use violent force as its primary method of action. you haven't been discussing trade unions so i don't think that's going to be what you mention.

>>6832573
A hospital can't turn you away. Define "livable wage," because right now demanding that minimum wage be 15 dollars an hour is just going to raise prices across the board and absolutely buttfuck the large class of workers that are making 20-30 bucks an hour because wages are already stagnant without additional economic burdens.

>>6832587
exactly. the effect will be to make people who were making 20 and 30 bucks an hour into poor people as well.


despite the useful idiots who push this shit claiming otherwise, that IS the goal; unilateral poverty.

the GOAL of these measures and laws... is to make, and keep, everyone very poor, and very dependant.

useful idiot marxist recruits like you see all around shouting for threatening business owners with violence for what people freely at will choose to work for don't understand this.

they will also be the first up against the wall to be shot by their masters.

this is how it has always gone...

>>6832587

>A hospital can't turn you away

they'll just give you the $20k bill for your broken arm after

>>6832582
>so name a single proposal of yours that doesn't use violent force as its primary method of actio

I can say "tax the rich at a higher percentage" but then you're going to go on one of your "POOR PEOPLE MUST SUCK IT UP LONG LIVE OUR PLUTOCRAT OVERLORDS" diatribes so I'll just enjoy my life as a middle class individual in an European country with high taxes, but very high standard of living

>>6830625
>Do you seriously not know how to order things from the menu without ordering the meal?
Not that other anon but every fast food place tries to push the meal shit. I'm so fucking tired of arguing with some person behind a counter that I'm fine with paying extra to not have fries or a drink. They still try to push it. Explain that I don't want to carry extra shit. They still try to do it. Fuck some of them don't even argue, they just give you a meal anyway.

It's really fucking irritating. It's why I rarely go to those places especially mcds.

>>6832595
Yeah and when you don't pay the 20k bill for their medical napkins and what not, they'll call you every day and send you letters in the mail and then it'll go to collections, and they either garnish your wages or keep calling you and the your credit is ruined for like 6 or 7 years.

Fuck that.

>>6832595

people get rich by helping other people and providing value to them. you realize that when a person earning minimum wage at mcdonalds goes to the clothing store to buy a new shirt, that new shirt is cheap because the person working at that store is also paid minimum wage (since both of their jobs pretty much amount to standing and cleaning and pushing buttons).

taxation is mandatory. its done to fund the programs that we as all citizens agree we all need. when you start stealing from the rich to give to the poor, you're no longer taxing, you're just putting a gun in peoples face and taking money.

pro-tip, it won't work.

>>6832620

>you realize that when a person earning minimum wage at mcdonalds goes to the clothing store to buy a new shirt, that new shirt is cheap because the person working at that store is also paid minimum wage (since both of their jobs pretty much amount to standing and cleaning and pushing buttons).

And you realize this is one of the main benefits of high minimum wage, because Stacy being able to buy more/better food, clothes and a better house with her $15/hour wage benefits the economy a lot more than CEO John and his offshore $500 million account

>taxation is mandatory. its done to fund the programs that we as all citizens agree we all need. when you start stealing from the rich to give to the poor, you're no longer taxing, you're just putting a gun in peoples face and taking money.

Republitard logic: When you take money from the poor is "taxation". When the rich is asked to pay a bit more is "theft"

>>6832595
>>20k for your broken arm

what is government enforced insurance and financing regulations for 100.

this is a microcosm of what you want to do for minimum wage workers. soon you'll be paying a metaphorical 20k for a burger. the government got involved and medical costs skyrocketed.

without government involvement, a hospital could charge 1000 bucks to set your broken limb, and make good profit.

also government regulation of college loans, making them both mandatory and un-defaultable, resulting in skyrocketing education costs.

damn, you people know how to fuck a good thing up. you really do.

good thing i'll always have mine and be able to outsmart you scumbags who want to take it from me.216

>>6832644

>what is government enforced insurance and financing regulations for 100.

What is people making $7.50/hour having to pay #500 month for insurance

>>6832587
>absolutely buttfuck the large class of workers that are making 20-30 bucks an hour
so much this
I've been busting my ass to move up to this range and now some lazy clods have a hashtag for flipping a burger and it's going to mean I'm back at shit

>>6832655
what

I don't think the ACA works like that

my policy is 250 a month, but the government is paying 160 of it. I make 8.25 an hour. People making min wage get more paid. I could also have gone for a cheaper policy and gotten the full thing covered.

>>6832663

>What is Floriduh

>>6832639
stacy will not be able to afford anything more then she can now. it will all be more expensive. it will be a break even.

but for bill, who is able to support his family on 25 bucks an hour, everything now became more expensive and his wife has to get a job, or he is unable to help his kid go to college.

net result of 'minimum wage': more people are poor. how big of a fucking idiot do you have to be to miss that.

...

the rich already pay 80% of all taxes. you should send them a motherfucking thank you card.

>>6832655

oh, you didn't know? that's what happen when government uses police to enforce an industry monopoly. but hey, maybe more government will fix it, after all, you shouldn't have to be responsible for yourself.

>>6832356
(and have all their defense budget and hard foreign policy handled by NATO AKA the USA)

Don't let that little bump in the road get in the way of the pipe dream.

>>6832670
>the rich already pay 80% of all taxes
Which is an insignificant amount of their wealth. I support no one in this discussion, but you seem to readily deep-throat the rich's cocks at every chance.

>>6832670

>h, you didn't know? that's what happen when government uses police to enforce an industry monopoly. but hey, maybe more government will fix it, after all, you shouldn't have to be responsible for yourself.

more like

>this is what happens when politicians don't give a fuck about their voters and instead of an honest overhaul of the entire broken system, a patch and a bandaid are applied and the results are less than ideal

plenty of countries with 'free' healthcare going bankrupt amirite? ask Canada

>net result of 'minimum wage': more people are poor. how big of a fucking idiot do you have to be to miss that.

lol. just lol

>>6830198
As a cheapass who only buy from the dollar menu, when they raised the price of the mc chicken I haven't eaten there sense, sometimes I forget so I go to drive through but then when they tell me the price I drive away telling them their shit food isn't worth more then a dollar

Fuck all of you $15/hr cunts. The average wage for an emt/paramedic in America isn't even that high and that's a HIGHLY skilled job. Try to teach Jamal how to do a needle chricotomy on someone who is hanging upside down and I'll give you $1000.

Before Joe burger flipper gets paid such insane rates you better make sure the skilled people who are underpaid get a boost first or niggers and red necks won't be able to compete with the new applicants

>>6832718
>The average wage for an emt/paramedic in America isn't even that high
It will be at least that high now. A large amount of the criticism to raising minimum wage boils down with people being unhappy that they're no longer earning more than other people. A cultural thing I guess.

>>6832738
you fucking scumbag, you scream about how the MOST worthless of workers deserve more, while casually and without care glossing over the fact that people who are SIGNIFICANTLY more valuable then they will now be earning the same as some useless schmuck.

you don't see a problem with paying EMT's the same as burger flippers.

holy shit. dark times are ahead. people unironically are like this.

i hope you hurt yourself and die when a undertrained clueless EMT doesn't know what to do with you, because he's only smart enough to flip burgers.

>>6832738

>A cultural thing I guess.

It's the American way. "Fuck you I've got mine" mentality mixed with Ayn Rand's fantasy land and Reaganism

Sad tbh. It could truly be the greatest country on Earth but I guess making sure the 1% owns more than one third of the economy (and growing) is more important

>>6832718
>EMT
>highly skilled

You do know that this is a GED job right? like fry cook at mcdonalds.

>>6832738
>A large amount of the criticism to raising minimum wage boils down with people being unhappy that they're no longer earning more than other people.

Or that fact that, you know, an EMT is much harder to train and replace (to say nothing of the hours, difficulty, or stress) than people who literally push PICTURES of food because they are too stupid to read "Burger with cheese" on a screen.

If you think I am joking take a look next time you pay in cash. The screen tells the "cashier" that it's "this many" quarters etc with pictures. It's beyond disgusting to think someone who might save my life after a car crash is being paid on par with the "so is dat for here ur tu gooo derrrrr" crowd.

>>6832754

maybe, just MAYBE

this means EMT's are underpaid

but that's just not possible right?

it's just those lazy poor entitled people stealing away from hard working billionaires

>>6832754
>you fucking scumbag, you scream about how the MOST worthless of workers deserve more, while casually and without care glossing over the fact that people who are SIGNIFICANTLY more valuable then they will now be earning the same as some useless schmuck.
Both will presumably have enough to live. Do you honestly, from the very bottom of your heart, tell me you need more? Because then you're lying, by definition. You can not see money for what it is, you see it purely as acquisitive power and feel outraged about people who work less being given more than others. But $15/hr is nothing. It is only enough to go by. The answer is not to keep people in poverty out of spite and a sense of self-importance, but to demand higher wages, which people will logically do in the same way you're doing now.

>>6832769
30 hour training course and an exam. Take classes mon-thurs, exam on friday, and you are ready for the saturday shift.

>>6832769
hey, i've thought about it, and i think you're right. you're all right. i'm converted. socialism here we come.

i have a great idea.

a really great idea.

what if..

what if we paid everyone a HUNDRED DOLLARS AN HOUR

WHY DIDN"T WE THINK OF THIS BEFORE

MAKE IT LAW

MAKE ANYONE WHO REFUSES TO OBEY GO TO JAIL! CONFISCATE THEIR PROPERTY! KICK THEIR TEETH IN!

>>6832738
You don't understand the problem them. If I make the same pulling someone out of a car that's freaking out because they're next to their brother who is semi-decapitated, as I would flipping burgers, why wouldn't I go flip burgers? Why would mcshits not hire me (or another equally skilled person) over some hoodrat who can barely read?

All wages would have to be proportionately increased to account fit all, which raises inflation, which puts us at square one. Economics is clearly more compared than you understand

>>6832754
The MOST worthless of workers are actually the managers. They already get way more than they earn.

>>6832785

oh look, hyperboles

somehow wanting to have a full time job without having to get food stamps equals to pay "hundreds of dollars an hour"

I wonder what business do you run that allowed you to go from poor to rich, seeing as you have the debating skills of a 12 year old

>>6832795
i love this meme.

managers work harder then any five of their staff put together in the fast food industry. and make like, 75% more.

the workers have it better than the manager, which is fucked.

>>6832799
>>6832799
no really, IMAGINE, if we just paid everyone 100 bucks an hour, there would be no poverty anymore!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/sunday-review/americas-productivity-climbs-but-wages-stagnate.html?_r=0

>From 1973 to 2011, worker productivity grew 80 percent, while median hourly compensation, after inflation, grew by just one-eighth that amount, according to the Economic Policy Institute, a liberal research group. And since 2000, productivity has risen 23 percent while real hourly pay has essentially stagnated.

FUCKING POOR PEOPLE STILL EARNING THE SAME AS 15 YEARS AGO DESPITE INFLATION, WHAARRHGGLGLBLBLB GET YOUR POOR FILTHY HANDS OFF MY TAX FREE CAYMAN ISLAND MONEY

>>6832794

>compared

Okay Mr Eisenstein

>/ck/ - Business

you morons have no idea what you're talking about.

You all sound like a couple store managers trying to save their Grade-D health inspected restaurant while the neighborhood around you becomes yuppie central

>>6832783
You forget the real reason people are against a raise to 15/h

They make less than 15/h and cannot accept that they are impoverished. Supporting an increase means that they need to admit to themselves that they need help. They have to admit that they have a shitty job. That they failed at life.

>>6832783
>Do you honestly, from the very bottom of your heart, tell me you need more

What business is it of yours what he wants to do with the money he earns?

Tell me why you need more than a concrete block studio apartment and enough grain for three bowls of gruel plus a multivitamin per day.

>>6832768
Minimum wage does not translate to a good life, it's enough to live, period. It is more like a guarantee that you won't end up on the streets begging for scraps. Even the EMTs in the example will benefit from it, they'll get paid $2.10 more. The problem is that people can't stand seeing others who they deem as lesser live as comfortably as them. It is too deeply engrained that everyone should be a completely self-made and independent man in American culture.

>>6832802

cool hyperboles dude,

you're still retarded because you cannot even support your Randian bullshit nor counteract my points

post more fallacies and dank memes, you might be able to convince fellow Republitards

>>6832808
>you morons have no idea what you're talking about.

Projection 101

>>6832810
>Tell me why you need more than a concrete block studio apartment and enough grain for three bowls of gruel plus a multivitamin per day.
I don't. Did I tell you otherwise? However, that's also taking my post out of context.

>>6832604
wat

I've never seen this and I don't remember the last time I got a combo. I always get dollar menu shit or just a sandwich.

>>6832813
One person saves lives. Another taps pictures of hamburgers. Both will now earn the same wage (setting aside the harm to the purchasing power of people earning $15-20 currently).

You say it's because they're underpaid. I disagree about burgerdrones being underpaid. A machine can and will do that job soon.

EMT's should be paid more, yes, but do you not see the peril in pulling the floor up for the people who are living on level 1, so to speak?

I know the good answer is to raise everyone's wages because we're all underpaid somehow, but that's in the abstract. Just making any unskilled work now worth $15 is going to have a very disruptive effect because it will now cost more to do business.

I know you think you're advocating for good but it's really no different an outcome than the snide /pol/ hyperbole about paying everyone a million an hour--bottom line is you're just going to make life harder on people who now have to pay the difference in their raised wages in order to buy milk, which is now more expensive either because the grocer's workers are being paid more under mandate or because there are total Jews working there who raise staple prices knowing people can "afford" them.

That's the natural outcome. Open an econ book and tell me I'm wrong. Please. I would love to live in the world you describe, but we both know that's not going to happen. Short of total price controls and a massive re-ordering of the consumer economy, a min wage hike is just going to hurt those earning a cut above minimum wage now, as well as those who earn minimum wage with beyond-minimum wage skillsets.

>www.komonews.com/news/local/Restaurants-add-surcharges-hike-prices-to-a-298542821.html

What will you do short of trying to regulate what restaurants and businesses are allowed to tack on as surcharges to make THEIR bottom lines? How will you respond when all do this because their prices haven't declined because suppliers are in a sector insulated from wage inflation?

>>6832897
>2%

I thought you said they needed to double prices to increase pay

>>6832897

>>Short of total price controls and a massive re-ordering of the consumer economy

its called Venezuela.

you have to have 'hook-ups' to get toilet paper or butter.

>>6832897

>2% surcharge
>b-b-but prices will double!

>A machine can and will do that job soon

A machine would replace the worker regardless of a wage increase. Automation is thing you want society to steer towards. But lowering hygiene standards or just saying fuck you to the lowest class is not good for your society, regardless of how mad you are.

>>6832924
lowering hygiene standards is FOR the poor people.

nothing will ever make them happy... jesus christ, if you own a refrigerator, you're basically rich, you realize that, right? people want to live beyond their means. not on my dime.

you know why McDonald's is fucking up?
people are starting to get fed up with carnism
their menu need to go vegan

>>6832932

>if you own a refrigerator, you're basically rich, you realize that, right? people want to live beyond their means. not on my dime.

it amazes me that he thinks this is a solid argument

>Well you aren't begging for change in the streets! why do you think you deserve a livable wage?

>>6832932

>lowering hygiene standards is FOR the poor people.

No

Lowering hygiene standards will be horrible and cause even more segregation between the poor and rich. Hygiene, current standards and not your retarded pigpen idea, needs to be attainable on a living wage because we are supposed to be a first world country in the twenty-first century, not africa.

>>6832942
lel

more living wage bullshit. as if you're dying on minimum wage. fuck no you're not.

so we put you into apartments, and you're still begging.

how about we just kill the poor? then, we no longer have a poverty problem.

>poor people should just have lower hygiene

its like you looked at 1300s europe and said, "i want me some of that"

>>6832910
Did you not read the article? While I'm not claiming prices will double, a 2% increase in bill prices for a 2 dollar increase of wages means that before it's all said and done you're looking at a 5% increase in a baseline of eateries. This isn't including any eventual increases in other goods or services (grorcery stores, for example) that ultimately nickel and dime people who don't make a ton doing more skilled labor. You're looking at people like teachers, clerks, etc who aren't significantly over this threshold and hurting them the worst. Ultimately it's the consumers that will offset the cost and anything locally obtained will change to reflect this. It's only even reasonable because there are comparatively high wages in certain sectors. You're essentially hurting your middle class workers the worst.

All of the arguing in this thread is ignoring the issue. All of these news stories being linked cite record profits/productivity but stagnant wages. Figure out a solution that actually encourages less wealth disparity besides raising minimum wage and this won't be an issue since everybody will be making more. Instead I'd wager you'll be negatively impacting business slightly because what used to cost Bob, the middle class worker, 25 dollars a week for his morning coffee routine is now going to cost him closer to 27. So Bob decides he'll have one less coffee a week because his wages haven't risen.

>>6832969
Then we sell their meat to McDonalds! Swiftburgers, at a Modest price.

>>6833002
you should be allowed to sell your meat, in life, since you can't use the meat now, but can't use the money then.

i'd take 200 bucks for my meat rights.

>>6832993
Oh no a 100% increase in wages is gonna cost 5% increase in cost. How will people ever be able to afford to buy things? It's not like they are making twice as much.

>>6833016
100% increase in minimum wage workers only. The trained workers making only slightly more than that suddenly absorb the cost. Why are you saying that a McDonalds worker deserves that money more than the guy who actually is trying to help society?

Reform education to deal with wants and needs of the labor market so that a highschool graduate can also be immediately certified in welding, plumbing, or other trades while others go onto college. Don't pass the buck and shit on the people who make slightly more and aren't on welfare. You're cannibalizing the middle class to try to improve conditions for the poor.

>>6833050
pretty much most people that are qualified for trades go do trades.

the fact is that only so many people are smart enough to do certain jobs. many, many people are utterly worthless, and mcdonalds jobs are big businesses charity towards them. you can live on 8 bucks an hour. you can't raise a family. and you shouldn't be raising a family. and if you do, ideally, you all die. spend your time improving yourself, not living beyond your means.

anyone can live on 8 bucks an hour.

>>6833050
Middle class makes 35-55k a year. They will still be making more than the poor.

>>6833063
>anyone can live on 8 bucks an hour.

Anyone can live on 0 bucks an hour. Just go find some berry trees near a river that has fish.

>>6833079
that's essentially my point.

why don't more people do this?

because you want to be a movie star or something?

get real and go live life.

>>6832391
>take out a loan for $1 million
>millionaire

Fuck, I never knew it was that easy...

i literally did live in the woods for a year or so.

if you don't want to work at mcdonalds, go live in the woods.

>>6830173
Taco Bell has the best breakfast
>dat steak crunchwrap
Fuck the rest of the menu, that thing is amazing.

Jack in the Box is second

fite me

>>6833090
Because all the land is owned and people will go to jail for trespassing

>>6833079
>Anyone can live on 0 bucks an hour. Just become a criminal.

Let me know how that works out for you buddy.

>>6833094
McD Requires 500k liquid. can''t just loan.

>>6833102
there's lots of state owned game land.

lots of wilderness.

just stay hidden.

>>6833110
A loan provides cash. Cash is as liquid as you can get.

>>6833100
>fite me
fuck off back to reddit

>>6833116
Nice projecting faggot. Never been there.

I don't know how. Every McDonald's I know is always packed no matter what time it is, where the Burger King across the street has like nobody in the drive thru. Are their prices just too low to rake in a profit?

>>6830813
>six shops in SF alone
>not a single one in the east bay
Fuck it, I guess I'm going to McDonald's.

>>6833114
No one loans you half a million unless you have at least a million in collateral.

>>6833194
I get the feeling that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. A McDonald's franchise opportunity and a decent house could easily pull that off.

>>6833077
This isn't being disputed. You're hurting middle class skilled laborers in favor of labor that lacks any skills, though. You're just redistributing wealth in a way that hurts and lowers the economic viability of the middle class, contributing to an increased widening between rich and poor as those middle class workers find their finances increasingly restricted.

>>6833063
Face it, most unskilled jobs are slowly fading away just like a lot of unskilled factory work is/was. Getting as many people who are barely worth anything enough into some sort of trade, even if it's easy as fuck, is well worth it to the country's bottom line. Even retards can put up sheetrock. I totally agree with you otherwise, but you have to realize that our educational system was originally created to essentially divide highly skilled workers and basic labor. Now unskilled work is scant and we have an issue.

>>6833202
McDs doesn't allow home equity credit to finance their franchises. You need cold currency. You could borrow against a mortgage free house, or use other collateral such as land or a stock portfolio.

>>6830173
Fucking make shit be decent. American Mcdonald's tastes like shit. Brazilian Mcdonalds has great fries and pretty good burgers. It's also always full here, even with the economy tanking and prices skyrocketing.

Alternatively, i guess they could try more gimmicky things like special fries and special burgers. Those attract more people than you'd think.

>>6833213
>middle class
>skilled laborers
I don't think the middle class is what you think it is

>>6833229
>A skilled worker is any worker who has special skill, training, knowledge, and (usually acquired) ability in their work. A skilled worker may have attended a college, university or technical school. Or, a skilled worker may have learned their skills on the job. Examples of skilled labor jobs include software development, paramedics, police officers, crane operators, painters, craftsmen and accounting.

Not all skilled labor gets six figures. Generally the higher the skill the higher the wage, but this isn't always true.

>>6833229
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/skilled-labor-vs-unskilled-labor-46154.html

Here's some reading for your retarded ass.

>>6833232
>software development, paramedics, police officers, crane operators, painters, craftsmen and accounting.

all of those people are outside the middle class.

Middle class is things like mcdonalds manager, emt, mall security, costco cashier, vending machine refiller.

>>6833243
Do you even know what the middle class is?
http://www.businessinsider.com/middle-class-in-every-us-state-2015-4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_middle_class
http://www.financialsamurai.com/definitions-of-a-middle-class-income-do-you-consider-yourself-middle-class/
http://money.cnn.com/infographic/economy/what-is-middle-class-anyway/

>>6833248
>Do you even know what the middle class is?

Yes, households making 35000-55000 dollars a year.

>>6833255
Maybe in 1998

>>6833255
middle class is at least 100k plus. even more if you have kids.

35-55k/year is poverty tier

>>6833255
>[citation needed]
By your metric a lot of public school teachers are upper class.

>>6833259
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_middle_class

Household income distribution
middle 20%
35000-55000

The data is from 2006 not 1998

>>6833264
>middle class is at least 100k plus

kek

>>6833272
From your same fucking source.
>As social classes lack clear boundaries and overlap there are no definite income thresholds as for what is considered middle class. Sociologist Leonard Beeghley identifies a male making $57,000 and a female making $40,000 with a combined households income of $97,000 as a typical middle-class family.[31] Sociologists William Thompson and Joseph Hickey estimate an income range of roughly $35,000 to $75,000 for the lower middle class and $100,000 or more for the upper middle class. Many social scientists including economist Michael Zweig and sociologist Dennis Gilbert contend that middle class persons usually have above median incomes.

>>6833265
I would hope so, considering most of them have masters. Also teacher's salaries don't truly show their income, as they work 35 hour weeks, and 190 day years. Plus excellent benefits and pensions.

>>6833272
>>6833243
>As mentioned above, typical occupations for members of the middle class are those identified as being part of "the professions" and often include managerial duties as well, with all being white collar. There is great diversity among the occupations found among those living the middle-class lifestyle, and the appropriateness of some occupations being placed here will depend on each individual's personal outlook. The following is a list of occupations one might expect to find among this class: Accountants, Tenured Professors (Post-secondary educators), Physicians, Engineers, Lawyers, Architects, Journalists, Mid-level corporate managers, Writers, Economists, Political Scientists, Urban planners, Financial managers, High school teachers, Registered Nurses (RNs), Pharmacists and analysts, etc...[8][35]

>>6833278
Confirmed for knowing fuck all about the public school system. A minority have their masters, work on average of 53 hours a week (there's more to the job than the minutes within the classroom) and get shit benefits and pensions unless you are in a state that is heavily unionized, which varies greatly. Considering how much training they have to go through a year and how arduous and high risk the work is from a litigious standpoint, they aren't exactly making bank and smoking cigars. They are middle class through and through.

>>6833277
Beeghley is an idiot. To be above the middle class you would need to be in the top 5% of incomes. This is completely skewed.

Thompson and Hickley are worse, they have the middle class extending to the 99th percentile.

Gilbert's model would atleast make sense if it used traditional labeling, instead of removing the upper class and putting in a second working class.

35-55 or 30-62 are the only true options, depending on if you say low mid and high, or low lowmid mid midhigh and high.

>>6833288
>Minority
In Virginia you can no longer be a teacher for more than 3 years without a masters (older teachers were grandfathered in with bachelors requirements). My understanding is most states are running on similar models.

>>6832387
> literally not understanding what revenue means

>>6830173
Reduce and simplify menu. No one goes to McDonald's for "premium" anything.

Kiosks to replace cashiers.

Online ordering.


I don't really care though. I usually only have McDonald's 2-4 times a year, if that.

>>6833295
Hmm turns out it varies quite a bit by state, though you're right that lots of them do require masters. They also require so many hours of continued education. Either way, anyone claiming a public school teacher to be in the upper class is a nut.

>>6832595
>>6832616
>>6832620
>>6832644
Medical dude here.

Actually, one of the primary reason why healthcare is so expensive in the USA is because the AMA is in collusion with medical colleges and tightly regulates the number of students who can qualify for their medical board examinations.

By limiting this number, they ensure that those people who make it will receive an exceptional wage and receive very little competition. It's actually a really good gig if you're a doctor. I shot off to head into immunology research though.

My point here is that if you wanted to fix that you'd have to deal with a variety of institutions including governmental meddling, insurance companies, and the widespread opening of collectivist hospitals which all drive up healthcare costs for the consumer. It's a multi-faceted issue and I don't really think it should be brought up in the context of this issue.

>>6833320
I started at 60k
Some of my coworkers make 100k or more. Teachers can make decent bank.

>>6833331
In japan physicians don't need a doctorate to practice, they just need a bachelors and a license.

>>6830192
>McGriddles are the single best thing they make
They don't even have meat on them anymore. They're just the buns. You have to buy another sandwich separate.

I was so pissed last time I ordered one, got home, and realized I bought tasty bread.

>>6833338
Then you live in a very highly taxed and probably unionized area. They can also make poverty-tier amounts for some of the worst work. They are by all means middle class because their wages are set by taxes. It more or less keeps them in check.

>>6833362
Nah brah, Virginia aint no union state. We got the right to work.

>work at McDonalds
>make 16.50 per hour as manager
>canadian
>able to live rather decently on my own, with spending money for vidya
>sales have been up 15% each month past 3 months
>people call in sick constantly, so wage expenses are down 5%
>I am being trained to order from our supplier
>beef is all 100% legit
>chicken is all 100% legit
>fish is... Fish. Real fish, just a kinda mesh of whitefish
So, is this some kind of american thing? The whole "McDonalds is baaaad" thing? Obviously I can't support a family like this, but I'm just waiting to get my apprenticeship for plumbing, and i'll be damned if this isn't good enough right now.

As for improvements? Make it so drivethrough has a minimum purchase of $5, before sales tax. Way too many people come through for "just a jr chicken" or "large dollar drink"

Run a new ad campaign starring Moon Man.

>>6831559
I grabbed a burger and shit from wendy's the other night for $9.

I remember I use to be able to fill myself for a $10 back in high school and get a frosty to make myself feel sick.

Glad to hear I wasnt misremebering/being nostalgic

>>6833341
I'm in a Japanese laboratory right now about an hour away from Tokyo.

While what you say is true, that degree still takes 6 years followed by internships and board examinations.

>>6831135
why do you think that all jobs deserve a living wage?
why does minimum have to equal living?

>>6833426
>why do you think that all jobs deserve a living wage?
You must love welfare.

>>6833426
life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. ring any bells?

>>6833435
>>6833449

see

>>6832932

apparently he isn't b8ing

>>6830820
>Calls OP a shill
>Proceeds to be a shill

Shillception

>>6831728
>not the guy

pot meet retarded kettle

Holy fuck. When did tumblr invade /ck/?

Why would anyone eat at mcdonalds when wendy's is a better version of it?

>>6833344
No, you just got shit service. That's why you check the bag before you leave.

>>6834417
This

>>6834417
This is so strange to me, because here in the Kansas City area and in northwest Arkansas where I grew up, Wendy's was the nigger's choice of fast food. Indeed, it was always manned by nigs and served food that was a lot worse than McDonalds.
Hell, you only saw Wendy's on "the wrong side of town."

McDonalds was kind of everywhere, but at least in the suburbs it had white teenagers working there and they never got your order wrong.

You guys must live in some seriously shitty areas if McDonalds is as bad compared to other fast food places as you say it is. Here on the great plains, the only places that are cleaner and nicer for fast food are Chicifil-a and Freddy's, our local version of steak and shake that's ten times better.

>>6834432
Please keep your shitposting in /pol/

>>6830173
honestly its a result of overfrancising.

there is litterally no way they can sustain the revenue needed to keep open the number of stores they do. I honestly hope they go out of buisness, but even if they stay around, theyre going to have to take the hit and reduce the number of stores. the people in charge of running the empire knew this was inevitable, but theres no easy way to break it to the whiny investors and stock holders that theres nothing they can do to stop the decline.

That's McDonald's problem. I don't see any reason why I would care.

On economics and minimum wages: There's countries in the world (see northern Europe for instance) where this works. I would not want to work if I can't live off my salary. Fuck that. That busines should just perish in the first place. If they can't pay emploeyees, they should not hire them. Period.

And then we're all working so hard now so that we hopefully won't need workers in the future. Or at least not as many. It's the aim of western economies to get rid of workers. So if that same economies rely on a strong, well-paid workforce in order to buy that economies' products, it's bound to fail. Just a shit system. Only surives a bit longer than communism.

>>6830173

Bring back super sizing. Period.

And that whole "I'm Lovin' It" catch phrase is stupid/ghetto as hell and needs to go.

We barely see Ronald McDonald anymore. What happened to him and his friends? Not "modern" enough for today's society of faggots and openly accepted transgenders and zoophiles?

The brown, yellow, and orange color scheme on their wrappers was rather iconic. Why do you continue to run away from what once made you so great?

Healthfags are ruining this restaurant franchise equivalent to how feminazis are ruining today's video game industry. There's really no point in explaining how the two relate.

The food quality is shit. We all know the burgers are chemically induced, cheaply made from the cheapest parts bullshit. We ALL know this. No one wants that crap and your decreasing sales should indicate that to you.

When you add a new food item, you overcharge and fuck it all up for you and the person that's buying it. $1.95 per spicy wing? Really?? No wonder that bullshit flopped hard.

Last but not least, breakfast should be served ANYTIME. Lunch should be served ANYTIME. Dinner, ANYTIME. I have to wait till precisely 11:55am to order a mere cheese burger?? Why wait for your shitty burger when I can go down the street and order from a different fast food chain that serves them round the clock??

>>6835540
>/pol/: The post

>>6830829
Congratulations, you've been brainwashed into thinking corporations won't raise the prices AND automate anyway just to fire everyone responsible for the wage hike out of spite, and never lower the prices so they make a killing anyway.

Never underestimate the pettiness and greed of corporations.

>>6830850
>a dying company investing in extremely expensive computer equipment rather than paying their workers more?

A touchscreen menu ordering system is an investment of about $25,000 per store, and can replace 4 employees.

It will have paid for itself after 3 months of operation in the savings of not paying those 4 employees their $15 an hour wage at 176 hours per month each.

>>6831151
How, exactly, are you going to take their money from them?
What happens when they all pick up and leave for India?

>>6835581
This.
They'll save more money in the long term and customers will be happier since they won't have to deal with Jamal and Tyrone when they're ordering.
>tfw this will also capitalize on the NEET market who hate interacting with other human beings

>>6831097
6 dollars a day
7 days a week
42 dollars a week
168 dollars a month
2016 dollars per year. on mcdonald's, no less.

that's a really dumb way to spend your money. leave it to modern /ck/ to actually defend a fast food corp, though.

>>6831559
McRibs are seasonal due to yearly and monthly fluctuations in the price of pork.

>>6833426
because we need people to keep living so they can keep doing their jobs because economics.

>>6834553
This.
You can't maintain endless growth and endless numbers of new locations at investor-fantasy rates forever.

>>6833426
Not every job. But every full-time job.
If it does not, there's something wrong.

>>6833426
Why does the top manager of any large company make more money than somebody cleaning the toiltets?
More responsibility? No, If the CEO fails, he gets paid triple the money than when not failing.
Cleaning the toilets is hard work that I would not like to do. Pay those people higher than the CEO!

>>6833341

Medical school in Japan can take up to 8 years.

>>6833426

If your business can't pay a living wage to it's employees then it should go out of business. I don't give a shit what kind of job it is, but if it's full time then there is no reason for it to be so low. Back in the 50's even minimum wage could get you your own 1 bedroom apartment. The 50's was the greatest era in American history. Would you not want to live in the American dream?