/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>6819372
He's missing his friend

but i do.

it's summer. you just finished mowing your lawn. what do you want to drink?

an ice cold bud? of course you do.

>>6819372
It's overpriced. Costs almost as much as some craft beers while comparable (MHL) or better (PBR) beers can be had for a few bucks less.

>>6819495

>PBR better than budweiser

that's patently false. PBR is full of bullshit such as artificial coloring, sugar, and other nonsense.

budweiser is the best maro beer hands down.

>>6819511
I want AB-Inbev marketing reps to leave.

>>6819511
>Not going for the gusto.

Nothing wrong with a Budweiser, but I'm not paying that kind of money for a beer that is only marginally less offensive than h
i life.

>>6819372
I do occasionally. But frankly, too low octane. I prefer this. More bang for the buck The bastard Prince of Beers. One of the few of my herd that likes it. Fine by me. Nobody drinks all my beer. Even worse? At room temp. Yuck. Sick MF. Yeah, I blame the influence of my Britt mom.

>>6819511
GTFO Budweiser shill:

"Thank you for your inquiry concerning the ingredients of Pabst Beer. Pabst products are brewed using a blend of malted barley and special brewing corn syrup, hops, filtered water, and cultured yeast.

Because Pabst is better. I'd never say no to a Bud. The bowling alley has nothing else more palatable. But Bud has an offputting sweetness at the back of the throat and has a funny aftertaste.

I did kind of like the Black Crown variety.

>>6819583

How do they use corn syrup and still make it taste like shit

Because most cheap beers are better, and most good beer isn't that much more
There is literally no situation where Bud is a reasonable choice

>>6819583

>special brewing corn syrup

that's what i meant

>>6819566

nah, hi life is good shit. probably the best cheap beer. budweiser is a solid choice because it's so ubiquitous.

High Life and PBR are way better, even fucking shitty yuengling is better

>>6819615
How is that any different than budweiser using rice syrup in their beer?

Rice contributes no flavor, and indeed ends up watering the barley flavor down

Corn fermentables at least have a history in American beer - they were necessary because the barley that grew in the US was too strongly flavored to be suitable for making a pale lager from, thus they added corn the the mas to lower the flavor.

Corn is a classic fermentable in beer, and while there is nothing wrong with using rice, I'd rather have corn than rice.

>>6819662
I realize this is somewhat pedantic, but there is flavor to rice which comes through in the beer, but it's notably lighter and sweeter. I know what you mean, though, in that it tones down the overall flavor profile of the beer when compared to most other beers. No one who drinks those sorts of beer think of them as top-of-the-line gourmet, but I bet it's a hell of a lot better than the typical medieval beers that were brewed with similar intent; that being an inexpensive, refreshing, and more hydrating than flavor-packed high ABV drink.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~pwp/tofi/medieval_english_ale.html

>>6819397
>drinking beer when you're parched

I'll never understand this

>>6819694
Not really, rice is specifically used to increase the number of fermentable sugars without changing the taste - and indeed, it actually dilutes it because it contributes little to no flavor.

There's nothing wrong with that, I think it's used to good effect in pale lagers that use the cheaper American 2-row barley. I just prefer corn beers to rice beers.

BTW there is no mention of rice in that link you posted, and rice certainly was not used in medieval brewing in Europe.

Rice wasn't introduced to Germany until the 1600s at the earliest, and would have in no way been cheaper to use than wheat or barley. Wheat was the preferred grain for beer, to the point that there was a law against its use in beer to prevent bread prices from skyrocketing.

>>6819718
There is flavor to it, though. Like I said, it tones down the overall profile, but if you were to increase the amount of rice dramatically, you would detect the flavor that the rice imparts even more. Try some sake or eat some Jiuniang and you will probably be able to pick out that flavor better.

>>6819694
they specifically pick rice as to not impart any flavor, they try very hard to get the consumer to not realize they use rice

>>6819743
Compared to barley, it significantly waters down the flavor. Go on any beer brewing forum, that's exactly what it's used for

>>6819698
It's relaxing. Obviously you drink water too.
That first mouthful of cold beer after sweating your ass off for the whole day is manna from heaven. Doesn't matter if it's the nastiest cheapest beer either, as long as it's cold.

>>6819372
but i do, OP.

>>6819878
Except watering down and "no flavor" are what I take umbrage with. Yes, it tones the flavor down significantly, and that is the intent, but it is not the same as "no flavor". Hell, many brewers talk about the significance of their water source and it's impact on flavor, so to say that using rice gives no flavor is silly.

>>6819980
You're right, it's not totally neutral, but it is definitely there to reduce overall flavor as much as possible - even more so than corn.

>>6819995
I'm not sure about as much as possible, but yeah, that's where my knowledge on it stops.
I did find an interesting thing when I just searched for what Busch has to say on it for themselves, but it sadly doesn't totally answer the flavor intent. All I know about the flavor intent is that the American market was big into light beers that tasted refreshing and best when served chilled, because that was a great treat when working hard out in the open in typically much warmer climates than most beer style original climates.
In any case, here's a link to the tidbit that I found interesting:
http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/bmc-rice-source.146840/page-2#post-2139883

>>6820016
Well, like I said earlier, it was for a good reason to use corn or rice to lighten the beer. The kind of barley we use in the US, at least the kind that used to grow better here than the kind preferred for beer was really really heavy and high in ferment-able sugar content.

I don't really consider it a beer to be honest. If I want something light and refreshing I'll go for as hefeweizen. If I'm broke, then a PBR.

>>6820034
That is likely a part of the factor in the brewing choices leading to the style, but I think it would be disingenuous to claim that as the primary reason for the proclivity towards lighter brews served chilled.

>>6820184
>>6820034
>>6820016
>>6819995
>>6819980
>>6819878

Both of you are pretty much right. Rice is and has always been used to cut some of the sweetness from the barley because so few hops are used. Budweiser uses a 35/65 rice/barley mixture, Bud Light uses 30/70 mixture.

>>6819372
>Budweiser
>not brewed in Budweis
american logic

>>6820388
>american logic
If not mistaken,bud is owned by AMBEV, a South American conglomerate also responsible for the Mexican piss water Corona, among others.

>>6820469

sorry, it's AB InBev, headquartered in Belgium.

>>6820481
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anheuser-Busch_InBev
Pretty interesting. And sad,really.

bitch plz

If I'm going to drink cheap shit beer like Bud, I'm going to sink the rest of the way down to Kirkland brand light beer from Costco. It's 45 cents a can and is tolerable if a little sweet.

>>6819372
How can they call themselves the king of beers? Do they have legitimation from the beer pope?

>>6820729
You can call yourself the king of anything, Just be prepared for violent revolution and beheadings.

I do though

>>6820729
no, from god.

Fuck Budweiser. They are buying up craft breweries because they are terrified of losing their market share, while simultaneously making fun of said craft breweries in their shit ads.
A female-owned brewery in California was recently sued over trying to trademark the phrase "The Queen of beers". Fuck you Budweiser and all your shit piss water beers.

>>6821041
beer god?

>>6819372
I prefer this.

>>6821112
>craft breweries
kek

actual king of beers

>>6821112
To be fair, a lot of craft beers are pretty shitty anyway and their attitude is no better than Budweiser's. They could always, you know, not sell their company, too.

>>6821715
Lmao that's like one of the most pleb of German lagers

>>6822270
Nice bait!

>>6822288
It's true though, a lot of craft breweries actually produce really shitty low quality beer.

Just because they use a good recipe doesn't mean it's a good beer. There's going to be the bad, the ok, the good, and the really good with craft beer, and unfortunately most of it is not that good and honestly in many cases it's terrible beer.

Also, checked your dubs.

>>6819511
WA LA of truth

>>6822300
You're not getting me, funny guy!

>>6822300
dubs on dubs call outs....

>>6822308
Not getting you how?

>>6819372
I prefer the banquet beer if I'm going for refreshingly mediocre.

>>6819718
Dis nigga think beer come from Germany...you stupid honkey.

>>6822327
The modern beer recipes do, you fucking retard.

Beer is barley, water, yeast, and hops. That 4th ingredient?

First used in beer in Germany in the late middle ages.

GTFO out of my /ck/ you piece of shit.

>>6822341
Get off my /ck/ dumbshit. It should be harder than a google search to prove your ass wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_beer

>derp derp I said modern.

Beer isn't modern you waste of oxygen, fedora tippin, white knight, know it all, pepe collecting, PBR drinking, YURO faggot.

#rektnigger

>>6822341
Can't argue facts pepe

I'm working on 72 ounces of Bud right now. pic relate

>>6820729
Yes, they do in fact.

>>6822689
That Bud Light Platinum is a decent BBQ beer to have on hand for the gang whenever they come over. Tastes well enough and has an elevated ABV. Cold bottles dripping freezing water and ice when you pull them out of the cooler on a hot day match up well with burgers and brats; ribs too.

>>6820661
Yes we all know that Trappist beers are great, it's just a fact. You're not special for coming into a macro thread with a beer that nearly everyone on this board already enjoys.

>drinking adjunct lager

Disgusting tbh, reinheitsgebot or bust.

>>6822407
>Iran
all you beer swilling freedom fedoras owe your lifestyle beverage to Iran

>>6822757
How did you know it's bud light premium, they have different colors?

>>6822887
Fucking stupid law with no basis on taste, it was a law designed to prevent bakers from going bankrupt with skyrocketing wheat prices.

>>6822407
I don't give a fuck what you think, you're wrong about the drink we consider beer these days. Ancient beer would have been and is indeed quite a different beverage. The Germans invented beer as we know it, you piece of shit idiot.

>beer
why not just piss in a cup of ice?

>>6822999

>>6823003
Because my piss isn't alcoholic.

...who am I kidding? the amount I drink, my urine might actually be higher ABV than Bud.

>>6823003
We have more defining tastes. Beer and piss may taste the same to you (I'm puzzled how you know this) but it doesn't to us.

>>6823006
Please leave and fall asleep in a minefield.

>>6823072
In summary, you're fine with paying for bottled garbage water as long as it gives you a buzz.

>>6823076
Welcome to 4chan newfag

Good news everyone, only 3 hours until I can buy more alcohol and I still have a beer left; I'ma make it.

>>6821715
Hadn't had that spirit here since 1929.

>>6823041
I know this feel

>>6822288
Maybe not bait. City were I live has three "craft" brewers. Two are swill, one is marginally OK. All three are 2x the price of any decent import.

>>6822325
Not a bad hangover cure. 2. 24 oz. light, with just enough alcohol to take the edge off, with some spicy food or a greasy cheeseburger. I usually keep two for Sunday mornings - well afternoons. No point lying on an anon board. : ).

>>6822407
yeah, at least as far back as Egypt or the Sumerians, probably further.

i was 20 when i had my first beer
it was a miller lite in jay's bedroom
bill and jay were there

>>6821715
>implying

>>6819372
when i was 15 i got my first blowjob since i had the nerve to order a budweiser in a mexican restaurant and the girl i was with thought it was the most impressive thing she'd ever seen.
i know it sounds weird but im from a really uptight, tight ass christian area and she was a good girl who was a little sheltered. anyhoo ive been a fan of budweiser ever since.

>>6822903
Persia, not Iran, though same location. Current Iran bears as much resemblance to ancient Persia as Ancient Rome to current Italy.

>>6822907
Premium comes from pedigreed horses.

>>6823003
your thinking of Keystone ice.
A whole lower rung on the ladder. Just above 3% in plain white cans labeled beer..Think swamp water with a tablespoon of rubbing alcohol. The Keystone, that is.

>>6822999
The trips confirm it

>>6819372
Probably because it tastes like shit.
American pale shit.

>>6822999
Nope. You are wrong. Deal with it faggot. Facts are facts nigger.

>>6824097
And the facts are that modern beer was invented in Germany, because that's the first place hops were used as the bittering agent.

"However, the first documented use of hops in beer is from the 9th century, though Hildegard of Bingen, is often cited as the earliest documented source."

"The first documented hop cultivation was in 736, in the Hallertau region of present-day Germany, although the first mention of the use of hops in brewing in that country was 1079."

>>6822999

only when I see the same three digits in a row at the end of a posting number

bring on the bud!

Errybuddy know us black folk inbented beer and den da white man took it away from us

>>6824122
I'm on a fucking roll today

>>6819511
No go fuck yourself shitty cheap pbr is made of better ingredients than bud the reason you pay more for that garbage is so they can continue making those dumb super bowl commercials everyone loves

>>6824122

>Beer, or more specifically, ale, is one of the oldest beverages humans have produced, dating back to at least the fifth millennium BC and recorded in the written history of ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia.

Came from Germany eh?

Fact. Not opinion. Fact.

>>6824177
You are one dense piece of shit.

Modern beer has four ingredients:

1. Malted barley

2. Water

3. Yeast

4. Hops

Stop being retarded. Hops didn't even grow in the middle east, matter of fact, they're native to a band that stretches between France and Southern Germany.

This whole discussion has been about modern beer, you fucking dense motherfucker.

>>6824190
Beer is one of the oldest drinks humans have made. Suck a dick retard. Made in Ancient Egypt. B.C. how do you not understand this? It is common knowledge idiot.

>>6824190
Open google. Type "when was beer invented"

>you are proven wrong

The end.

>>6819372
Because I live in democratic republic and bow to no king or queen.

>>6824210
You're wrong, as usual.

>>6824190
Did it for you, results:

>In Mesopotamia (Ancient Iraq), early evidence of beer is a 3900-year-old Sumerian poem honoring Ninkasi, the patron goddess of brewing, which contains the oldest surviving beer recipe, describing the production of beer from barley via bread. It is [like] the onrush of Tigris and Euphrates.

>Muh Germany
>Muh Modern
You are wrong. Deal with it.

>>6824214

Nope, retard. You are just autistic. I'm 100% right. See link.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninkasi

>German my ass

>>6824228
>Wikipedia

>>6824233
It is an established fact.

Jesus you really are retarded aren't you?

>>6819372
Was great in college

>>6824242
>>6824228
>>6824217

Dude, my point was about modern beer, how retarded are you?

You are the one in the wrong here. Nowhere did I make the claim that the first malted alcoholic beverage was invented in Germany, I said modern beer was.

>>6824217
Fucking autistic retard

>>6824242
WTF are you on about???
I never said otherwise, in fact I don't recall EVER thinking anything to the contrary let alone typing it. You fucking fuckhead.
DON'T EVER FUCKING DISAGREE WITH ME OR YOU'LL BE FUCKING SORRY!

>>6824461
This isn't me.

>>6819372
My pastor in Wisconsin told me that all beer and wine came from Jesus.

>>6819372
>budweiser
>king if beers
GET THE FUCK OUT NORMIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
THIS IS NOT BEER ITS A MIXTURE OF PISS AND WATER JESUS FUCK HAVENT YOU HAD A REAL BEER IN YOUR LIFE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>6824451
Fight! Name a time and a place.
I'm more than willing to travel to settle this.
Name it, Faggot!

>>6824474

>>6824473
>pic related
He likes "craft" beer.

>>6824441
This guy is right.

>>6824483
No.

>>6824487
Seriously get the fuck out you retarded troll

you faggots wouldnt know a real beer if it hit you in the face

>>6824497
There's been plenty of really good beer posted here dude.

>>6819372
because light adjunct lagers are for hipsters and faggots who cry about ipas

>>6824502
i was talking to the pissbeer posters.

>>6824523
Don't be euphoric, there's a time and place for pale lagers.

>be 1995
>grandpa is famous beercrafter in our village
>been makin beers for generations, but never made in bigger batches for sales, just for family needs
>eveyrone loved his beer, it was really fucking good
>i was still around 14 years old
>promised myself I will not let my grandpops recipies be forgotten and I will continue on his legacy in beercraft
>now im 30 mattering my own stuff
>totally forgot about my promise and never asked for recipe or how to make that beer
>last year grandpa had a stroke, is sick
>doesnt remember anything for more than 15 minutes
>he's very sick
>tfw i should let go of that dream...

>>6824573
He had to have written the recipe down, or look at old order receipts for ingredients. A good brewer documents batches to reproduce good ones.

>>6824487
Yes he is. Anything before that time was brewed without hops. They may be fermented grain beverages, but wouldn't pass for what we call beer today.

>>6824581
he used to grow everything his own in the backyard. Even if he wrote down the recipes god knows where they are now.

>>6824591
>Moving Goalposts.

It was beer then. It is beer now. You are wrong. Beer was made in ancient times. That is a fact. You are wrong. Go ask your mum to make you some tendies now faggot.

>>6824607
He specifically said modern beer, silly.

>>6824607
From the very first response, I said modern beer.

Get the fuck out, fucking faggot.

>>6819718
Is the first post. Where is "Modern Beer" mentioned?
>>6824635
After you got BTFO thinking beer was invented in Germany?

>Wonder who is moving those goalposts?

>>6824635
I hear the sound of goal posts moving....

>>6824707
>>6824716

Try some reading comprehension.

The discussion was about the use of rice in beers, and more specifically, the use of rice in pale lagers.

I was responding to this context, and said what you see in that post - that rice wasn't introduced to Germany, the country where the modern ale, and absolutely lagers, came into being.

Nowhere in that first post did I say anything about where the first beer ever came into being.

Next post:

>>6822327
Implies I said anything about where the first beer ever came from. Notice, again, in my OP I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHERE THE FIRST BEER OR ANY BEER EVER CAME FROM, we were discussing the use of rice in pale lagers.

Next post:
>>6822341
"The modern beer recipes do, you fucking retard. "


YOUR READING COMPREHENSION IS SHIT

>>6819511
sugar is a perfectly legitimate ingredient for beer and you have to be completely ignorant to think otherwise.

>>6821715
True story. I went to high school with Pschorr's great-great grand daughter. She fit the German stereotypes since her family got free beer from the Pschorr brewery and her father owned a meat factory in Germany, so they got free sausages and meatloaf as well. It was through her that I learned that there were beers other than PBR and Miller.

>>6826384
Not for pale lagers.

>>6819495
>>6819616

>people actually enjoy PBR ahead of oldstyle and schlitz