/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>6810534
im a dumbass and forgot the link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGk-rLPNJYg

>>6810534
yes and no
on the one hand, veg, fish and rice are very good for you
on the other, they smoke or grill (or both) damn near everything, which is literally cancer

>>6810534
I lived in japan for 2 years and I lost weight.

I dont think its so much the diet. But the lifestyle. You walk a lot in Japan.

I won't say it's necessarily healthier, but Japanese cooking (except for the deep frying aspect) uses a lot less fat.They're pretty generous with stuff like sugar and salt, not to mention carbs though.

I've lived in Japan and she is sort-of correct but not entirely. She's also annoying.

>Fried foods
Yes, there are a lot of fried foods that are cheap and easily available. However only lazy NEETs and salaryman eat it more than once a week or so. No one in Japan thinks its healthy.

>bread
Yeah bread is getting really popular and displacing rice to a large degree, but honestly bread is probably no worse if not better as a carb staple than white rice when you factor in the fiber and protein.

The Japanese still eat way less refined sugar and carbs on average than Amerifats. Even with rice at every meal, added sugar is almost non-existant and even Japanese desserts are light on the sweetness.

They also eat a lot of different kinds of seafood, which is always good to have in your diet and although they don't really like having shitty iceberg salad for lunch, they do appreciate vegetable side dishes much more than we do here.

Looks like she got hit in the face with a pizza peel

>Eating more calories than you expend will make you gain weight
No shit.

>>6810597
whats funny is my roommate actually argued with me that it isn't true and that sugars are more important.

>>6810597
>b-bbut, muh genetics

>>6810612

>>6810628

>>6810612
Man, I work at a grocery store and it's hilarious to see all the fat people with their carts full of soda, chips, red meat, and TV dinners. Those are the same kind of people who complain about genetics

>>6810609
Honestly I think the whole "sugar is bad" thing is misinformation that keeps getting passed around. Since sugar and it's cousin carbs are energy dense people just assume they're inherently evil for you. Yes, to much of a good thing is always bad

>>6810534
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGk-rLPNJYg
You can over eat anything. There's no magic diet. How the fuck do you not know this?

>>6810534
look at her teeth! gross!

>>6810534
God damn this girl is hateable.

>>6810636
>too much of a good thing is always bad for you
>implying too many warm kissies from my qt gf can ever be bad

>>6810637
Modern society is all about consumption, you use right make up to look pretty, you use right clothes to look nice, you consume right products to stay healthy. Naturally people want to think consuming the right diet also makes them thin, failing to realizing it's what you don't take in rather than what you take in is what makes you fat.

>>6810643
>Mono

>>6810534

Don't the Japanese eat a lot of raw fish and such? They can and I believe often contain bacteria. So eating uncooked shit is not healthy.

>>6810643
Can be. Damn bitch I'm tryna play videogames get out my face with that kissy shit!

>>6810645
So all the stuff I don't eat is making me fat? Stupid

>>6810650
>Don't the Japanese eat a lot of raw fish and such
lol no

>>6810658

nice one

>>6810661
thx ;)

>>6810534
hahha this is cringe and kinda entertaining

it's just an easy cop out for alot of dietitians and people to say genetics. Sure there is no miracle diet or right way to eat, but it's kinda hard to take it seriously when something like " the French paradox" has now supposedly been proven to just be genetics by most people. It's the lifestyle.

Just walking everywhere is good for your health.

>>6810609
>>6810636
Your roommate is correct you fucking morons. Refined sugars go straight to your bloodstream and release insulin which is the hormone that regulates fat storage and energy consumption.

If you overdo it on sugars and carbs you become insulin resistant and it doesn't matter if you eat 500 calories a day, if its made up of carbs your body will starve your organs before letting go of the fat storage.

The "misinformation" are the studies sponsored by the grain and sugar industries to contrive false evidence that low-fat low-calories diets with high levels of exercise is the only way to lose weight. News Flash: America has been on a non-fat low-fat kick since the 80's which is directly correlated with the current obesity epidemic. Americans also on average consciously exercise for the purpose of losing weight more than any other country in history yet we are still only getting fatter. We also eat LESS calories than we did in the 60's and 70's.

"energy out" cucks like you are the reason people will never wake up to the real poison that is sugar and refined carbs and we will stay stuck in a cycle of blame with no results

>>6810902
this. watch fed up

>>6810902

>and it doesn't matter if you eat 500 calories a day, if its made up of carbs your body will starve your organs before letting go of the fat storage.

thanks for completely changing the point you were arguing with to argue against it.

>>6810921
>changing the point

This is EXACTLY on point you chunk of human garbage. The arguement was HUR DUR ENERGY IN ENERGY OUT, GUYS, EAT LESS CALORIZ LOLOLOL

They done studies on mice and rats that show that on a minimized diet of low calories made up of carbs and sugar, the rodents were STILL gaining weight despite being in a calorie deficit. When they looked at their organs they saw that the high levels of glycogen was signaling the body to break down internal tissue and organs to make up for the deficit in order to store more fat.

There are also studies with infants on similar calorie formulas where one is low-fat high-carb and caused obesity in FUCKING BABIES as opposed to normal fat formulas. Babies CANNOT exercise, babies CANNOT be put on low caloric diets due to how fast they are growing.

Children for the same reason are developing type 2 diabetes which was unheard of 20-30 years ago. Children are as active as has always come naturally to them and once again, cannot be put on strict calorie deficits because they are growing at a rate that requires many calories or it risks stunting their development.

ITS FUCKING SUGAR IDIOTS GET IT THROUGH YOUR FAT SKULLS.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/08/09/coca-cola-funds-scientists-who-shift-blame-for-obesity-away-from-bad-diets/?_r=0

>>6810948

so change your diet and eat less.

wow, that truly is a revolutionary thought.

>>6810951
>eat less

You must be legitimately retarded if that's what you gleaned from that. The only thing you need to do is minimize sugar to less than 50g a day and total carbs to less than 200g. The amount of fat, protein, and fiber left in your diet will have you feeling so full after a small amount of food, you wont need to count calories.

If you are already a fat shit with insulin resistance, you need to go on a ketosis diet to fix your faggy girl hormones and eat less than 25g of carbs a day and NO SUGAR AT ALL until you stop being a fat mess of slop, then you can slowly go back to adding slow-burning carbs to your diet.

>>6810964
You sound like a faggot.

Besides the countless evidence backing up calories in vs calories out. I've done experiments where my diets were almost entirely carbs or almost entirely fats, etc.

The fat loss is identical. The water loss and definition shown isn't, however. I've reached 10% bodyfat on a diet that was 80% carbs (ice cream, cookies, chips, etc). Lmao @ you fat faggots srs

>>6810964

And yet youre still a fat piece of shit.. People arent going to gain weight on 500 cals of carbs a day thats just ludicrous

>>6810991
And here's a picture of me after eating a large pizza and ice cream cake.

m-mm-muh carbs!

>>6810964
>25g of carbs a day and NO SUGAR

Except carbs turn to sugar.

Nearly every japanese meat dish is deep fried.

the 'japanese diet' is a meme by americans who think they eat raw fish day in and day out with a side of rice.

>>6811019
They usually eat fried fish not deep fried fish. Land animals are expensive there for obvious reasons. If anything, they deep fry vegetables.

>>6811019
You should try visiting Japan sometime, Chad.

>>6811016
Not as quickly, any diabetic will tell you why they can't have sugar without it killing them although other carbs are OK.

>>6810998
Look up the data before talking out your ass. You probably will slowly lose weight, but if those 500 calories are mostly carbs your organs and tissue are going to suffer first.

>>6811028
The last worthy visits Americans made to Japan were Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

>>6811037
No one said anything about only eating 500 calories/day you fucking cunt. 500 calories is about what a 3'2" 60 lb 4 year old needs in terms of calories every day lmao. You don't know anything. You're fat as shit. You look like shit.

>>6811037
You low life propagandist

>>6811057
>>6811054

Found the Coke shills.

>>6811087
Lmao he doesn't even know how many calories the average adult needs to lose weight so he just pulls an arbitrary 500 calories out of his ass without taking into consideration physical activity and weight.

LMAO

>>6811037

jesus dude you are a moron. any adult human will lose weight fast as fuck eating 500 calories of just carbs a day.

OBVIOUSLY you are going to be malnourished. that wasn't your original argument; your argument is that you can somehow magically gain weight on 500 calories of carbs per day when that is just hilariously false.

stick to one point. we're not talking about dying because of malnourishment, we're talking about whether or not you can gain weight on 500 calories of carbs (since that was the assertion you made earlier).

>Trend diets

>>6810948

>This is EXACTLY on point you chunk of human garbage.

no it isn't. you responded to 'if you eat too much, regardless of what it is, you'll gain weight' with 'if you eat a tiny amount of carbohydrates you won't burn fat'. this is exactly off point. if you can't address an argument pertinently don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

>sugar is bad, carbs are bad

I had a friend throughout all of high school and college who ate absolutely fucking nothing but candy, bread and ramen, and that fucker was so thin he could turn sideways and become invisible. We used to call him Twiggy. I had to watch my diet because so much as looking as a slice of cake would add five pounds to my waist; but he would binge on nothing but sugar and carbs day after day. He wasn't anorexic or bulimic.

>>6810902
>cuck
opinion discarded

>>6811694
>muh anecdotal evidence
>muh personal experience

Lrn2Science fgt

>>6811694
I used to be that way, then I really hit puberty

>>6811694
i have friends and family like that
im quite jealous

>>6810948
Refined sugars are bad for you but thermodynamics are a thing and you can't create something from nothing.

>>6810902
>Americans also on average consciously exercise for the purpose of losing weight more than any other country in history

Come on guy, I agree that sugar is bad but you really lost me there

>>6811694
Meh, he probably didn't eat enough calories to make him gain weight. Assuming he was about 130lbs, he would need roughly >1,500 calories to not be maintaining or gaining weight, assuming he did no other forms of exercise besides masturbation.

From memory:
Ramen is about 300 calories
Bread is about 80 calories per slice
Candy (we will use sour patch kids) is 150ish calories per serving, so that's only around 300 in that bag.

So his typical day might be (assuming skinny nerd appetite):
Ramen x2 = 600
Bread x 4 = 320
Sour patch kids x2 = 300

Total = 1220 calories. Under his maintenance requirement and enough to make him lose weight, even in his sedentary lifestyle.

>>6811694
>>6812754

the only thing to be jealous of is that they have low appetite

All they eat is shit, but they don't eat all that much overall. People just perceive it as them eating a lot because they say that they "eat whatever they want" (and they do, they just don't want very much), and because they see them eating a lot of things that are considered unhealthy. If all you eat is fucking candy and no real food, you can eat a substantial amount of candy.

>>6812793
http://www.caloriecount.com/calories-maruchan-ramen-noodles-chicken-i113056

>>6812793
I meant >1,500 calories to not be maintaining or losing weight***
But after actually looking it up for that weight it's closer to 1,800.

So he could fit even more ramen noodles in to his day and still be losing weight.

>>6812795
i live off of rice, veggies, chicken and fish, but still need to exercise constantly to keep my weight down. I guess my portions might be big, but I'm also 6'5''.

>>6810534
>sumo wrestlers
they eat healthy stews, but they eat a lot.

you can eat mcdonald's burgers and fries every day and not get fat if you don't eat too much. you'll have lots of diarrhea and other health problems, but you won't be fat.

>>6811145
I saw and kind of agree with the other dudes point. But this point is more valid. If the whole carbs=no weight loss is the case then couldn't starving countries stop starving by just eating like 2 granola bars a day? It really sounds ridiculous tbh.

Also, I think another thing to definitly take into consideration (which has been mentioned many times ITT) is physical activity. A lot of people in cities without much public transport end up DRIVING to work for an hour, then SITTING at a desk for 8.

>>6812816
The problem is that the people who live this cubicle lifestyle are drinking iced coffee and eating a breakfast sandwich on their way to work. That's already half their day's calories. Then they head over to grab a couple slices of pizza for lunch with a soda. Now we are at about maintenance level of calories where they wouldn't gain or lose weight. But then dinner is a Hungry Man meal, which pushes them several hundred calories over maintenance and they are in the gaining weight range.

Most of the meals served in Japan are relatively smaller portions. In general people there eat smaller portions.
If you eat large portions you run the risk of consuming a lot of calories.

Also if all you're eating is kastu dons and ramen, yeah no shit you'd gain weight.

I don't get why people have the notion that healthy meals=infinitely low in calories

>>6812793
Wrong. Two servings of ramen per package and he would eat one or two of them a day, several rolls or sandwiches, bags of Hershey's Kisses or Reese Cups. This guy was one of my closest friends for about eight years, I was around him all the time and he binged like a pig on this shit day after day.

>>6812828
> iced coffee makes you gain weight

>>6814592
I forgot that flavored iced coffee with cream and sugar, which is what the typical person orders, has 0 calories.
Lol fucking retard fat fuck.

>>6811009
It's funny, the only people who think sugar is bad are fat people.

>>6814619
you only said iced coffee, not flavored dunkins bullshit. get yo shit together anon

>>6814622
????
Everyone knows sugar is bad

>Inb4 fatass

1,9m 70kg (Dyel trying to build)

>>6814622
Sugar is a shit tier carb

They are a veggie loving nation I will say, the amount of vegetables the constantly eat must account for something.

>>6810534
The main problem with the American diet as opposed to every other diet on earth is portions.

>>6814773
the more you look into other countries food cultures, the more you realize this. Except England.

>>6810534
that is one creepy ass looking weeb. I bet she stinks and is a general nutjob and her mom never loved her. I discard her opinion because of how ugly she is

>>6814782
Speaking of Americans and calories

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/08/09/coca-cola-funds-scientists-who-shift-blame-for-obesity-away-from-bad-diets/

>>6814787
this. Plus despite what she claims she is clearly eating huge amounts of their food and probably snacking.

Lol. More America obsessed. Everytime you foreigners post shit about us from your grass huts, I feel like I'm in a celebrity gossip magazine.

>>6814768
What you eat literally has nothing to do with weight. Only how much.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-blog/junk-food-diet/bgp-20056173

Japanese "food" is rancid.

>>6810534

I'd ask how it is that she's actually really cute, but I can't stand hearing her talk, but that's most women IME.

>>6815116

go outside

>>6810649
w...wut anime?

>>6810534
it's like that girl from the middle got her braces taken off and learned to apply make up

People lose weight when in Japan because the Japaneses portions are as small as the average asian dick. So of course get thin, they are eating way less food.

>>6815341
A lot of people still don't seem to accept the idea that portion size actually affects weight. Like that guy way up thread ranting about sugar.

>>6810534
Tradiaion jap food is healthy,

but when I went there, ther was tons of fried stuff and bread (pastry) items at all the grocery and convenience stores

>>6810534
fish fish fish rice rice fish rice seafood rice seafood fish
with some alga

yes it's healthy

grease-dripping grilled pork isn't japanese diet

>>6815448
Deep fried food is part of the traditional cuisine of Japan/

>>6815456
That's not healthy at all. Being deficient in nutrients is just as unhealthy as being fat.

>>6814787
same

It's mostly rice, root vegetables and fish. If you don't dress it up too much, it'll be bland but it'd be pretty good for you, sure.

>>6815482
>I don't know what there is in alga

>>6815471
I never said it wasn't.

But they didn't know about frying until the pourtgeuse came.

And deep fried curry breads, potato croquettes, etc are not traditiona fyre, you fuck

>>6815639
>I never said it wasn't.
You did when you differentiated between traditional food and the greasy fried food. Even now you're saying it isn't part of traditional Japanese food by saying that it came from elsewhere and isn't their own.

Fuck, am I still teaching English to 4chan? I should be getting paid for this.

>>6815639
>until the pourtgeuse came

In the 16th century.

>>6810534
Why is a white chick talking about Japanese food?

>>6815858
Because she's living there for work or something and there's a giant audience of weebs who will watch any vlog by a white person living in Glorious Nippon.

>>6815614
You honestly believe algae is enough to supplement a diet of rice and fish? How much per day are we talking here, like three kilos?

>>6816160
not the same guy but google spirulina. its supposed to be magic or some shit.

>>6810569
>she
>>6810580
>she
>>6814787
>she
>>6814801
>she
>>6815116
>she

she looks like she needs some of muh genetics in her mouth

>>6810534
WHAT THE FUCK
That thing looks like like my cousin John in a wig. The scary part is John is in Japan right now....

>>6810569
the fuck are you talking about. they put sugar in a lot of their dishes: nimono, gyudon, oyakodon, etc.

>>6816229
Congrats on you new cousin Jane.

>>6816305
yeah im actually gonna call him and see how he'd doing in the morning. i knew he had issues, but i really hope this isn't him. its the mouth and the eyes, they look too much like him.

>>6816322
Post cousin.

>>6816322
It probably isn't since the YT vid has her talking: https://youtu.be/aGk-rLPNJYg

She just looks kind of mannish.

>>6816334
No thanks, the only pics of him i have access to are on facebook and i really don't want you people image searching them to find his info which would lead you to mine.
>yes i am somewhat paranoid


If i find out he's a fuckin tranny I will reconsider the request

>>6810534
Public transportation forces you to walk a lot. I mean a lot.

>>6816466
Currently working in a restaurant in Hyogo. Can confirm that most people are pretty thin but there's the occasional buta.

>>6816493
Didn't mean to quote, my bad.

>>6816381
Nah, dude. Even if he's gender confused, he's still family. Don't be a jerk.

>>6816381
Don't be a fucking asshole, dude. Family is family.

>>6816534
>>6816527
Why did you post basically the same thing twice?

>>6816537
I only posted >>6816534
The first one was a different anon, but I guess we had the same idea.

>>6816545
Those posts are two close together and too similar for me to believe that. Just because you samefag I hope anon disowns his tranny cousin and its leads to his eventual suicide. This is why gay bashing exists, because you samefag.

>>6810948
You can't gain weight on a caloric deficit.
That's impossible. (unless your body suddenly decided to store a lot more water weight, but that's something completely different here)


But children shouldn't be put on a caloric deficit I agree for development reasons.
But gaining weight long term is impossible under a caloric deficit, that would be like putting 1 fuel in a car, driving 100 miles and then watching your tank fill up

>>6810535
"^This. Though, genetics does play a role to some degree. Different bodies store fat and weight in different areas. Just because someone looks skinny on the outside, it doesn't mean they are healthy. This is what a lot of people call "skinny-fat"."

>This bitch claims " muh genetics " in the comments.

kill yourself my man

>>6810534
>>6810535
what a pathetic and cringeworthy attention whore

>>6810534
Japanese people simply eat less and most of the things they eat normally for lunch and dinner are decently healthy. They also walk everywhere and when they do eat unhealthy foods (which is actually pretty often since food culture is so big here) the portion sizes are much smaller than in America.

Also even having even a little bit of visible fat makes it socially acceptable for literally every single person you know as more than acquaintance to call you fat and say how much weight you've put on until you lose it. Family members are particularly mean. They nip it in the bud here

>>6816197
what are you implying? that the person in the video is trans?

>>6812797
>http://www.caloriecount.com/calories-maruchan-ramen-noodles-chicken-i113056
>380calories
>said 300

dude was pretty close from memory

>>6817023
>Nip it in the bud
>nip
eh heh heh eh

>>6816830
Hope this is proof enough. I mean, I know you're going to say it's shopped or whatever, but that's the best I can offer unfortunately.

>>6817265
I put a slice of provolone on my Korean friend and said, "look! a cheese nip."

>>6810964
Except I can easily overeat on protein and fat, and 200g of carbs is a ton. You're a dumb dumb.

>>6816949
Why are you even trying, he clearly doesn't believe in thermodynamics.

>>6817778
200g is .02% of a short ton, retard. Yeah of course you can overeat if you're a fat shit with no self control. It's just a guideline to help you, not an infallible, dogmatic instruction. Personally I try to keep carbs under 100g most days but that's just me.

200g of carbs is more than a kilo or about 2.5 lbs of potatoes. That's a lot. In terms of veggie you can probably have 10lbs before getting 200g. If you stay away from refined sugar it's very hard to gain weight on carbs.

>>6817815
>refined sugar
any refined carb really

>>6817817
What are refined carbs apart from sugar? White bread? It's not very calorie dense either. The problem with white bread isn't the calories just that it lacks any fiber or micronutrients of note.

>>6817822
90g of carbs in 100g of flour

You ever seen those Japanese girl scat videos? I'd hate to have shits like that all the time. Too much rice.

>>6817828

Yeah, and 100 grams of flour makes a lot of bread. Bread is mostly air.

>>6817828
And how much flour can you eat? 200g of flour will make 2 medium thin crust pizzas. That's still a lot of bread for a day. Even if you're making a flatbread like roti which has no air you'll get more rotis than you can eat from 200g of flour.

>>6817832
Its chocolate. All scat videos where the girl actually eats it are all fake.

>>6817838
or like 3 pancakes

>>6817832
Its chocolate. All scat videos where the girl actually eats it are all fake.

>>6817859

So they put chocolate up their ass and shit it out straight into the mouth of somebody else?

>>6817873
Yes, they do enemas and things to clean out their butts beforehand. Its still gross so they get paid good money, but its safe.

>>6817846
or 1 red baron classic crust pizza.

>>6817859

I wasn't even talking about ones where they eat it. I'm talking about the ones where it's just a spy cam in a toilet and the girl shits out a turd the size of my fist.

>>6817898
Oh, those tend to be real. My wife is Japanese is she always takes massive shits

>>6817902
Pics and vids of your wife shitting

Pls

>>6817929
Usually the toilet has a massive shit streak in it, so I would take a picture, but shes been trying to clean and be a better wife since I stay out so often and told her it was because I don't have much reason to come home

>>6817798
But your post said that if you eat that macro-nutrient breakdown, you wouldn't have to count calories. That's obviously wrong, and what I was pointing out with my post.

Japanese-Amerilard here, I've pretty much kept the same diet (rice to fill me up, meat, usually fish to add taste) when I moved to America.

However I walk a lot and bike to get to places. I rarely drive my car. I weigh about 150 lb

I thought the really fat people in mobility scooters was an /int/ joke until I actually saw one. They really disgust me.

>>6817220
>implying he's not

>>6818062
Wasn't my post but I've seen similar guidelines on certain paleo/primal diet sites. It's a bit overstated because it's not easy to overeat on proteins and fats because most people will get uncomfortable after a little while. Some people, though, don't experience this (read: fat fucks) and they will still need to pay attention.

How much walking on the daily are we talking about for these nips?

>>6818231

trap or not, I'd still eat japanese food with her in japan, she's kawaii :3

to be on topic though, I don't really know anything about what the japanese actually eat, but I imagine they're big on rice over there. I've been told that they use tomatoes quite different from the way one does in north america, like in desserts and such. I can't attest to any of that as fact, I've just heard it.

>>6818082
Fat people in mobility scooters usually balloon after they get their mobility problem, rather than having a mobility problem merely because they're fat.

>>6818231

Ugly women do exist anon. her mom probably had a manjaw too