/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>6639177
Nope, you're just a bottom feeding pleb

>white wine

What a useless fucking liquid.

>>6639179
Expected this. Yes, I know, I'm a girl.

I love a good cab. I drink a bottles every month. If it wouldn't affect my health I'd drink it every day.

>>6639177
do you like bitter dark chocolate?

>>6639209
Yeah, love it. Heard that some people on /ck/ like to drink red wine while having a piece of dark chocolate in their mouth. Should I try that?

Just don't think of it as a "sweet" drink like you can with white wines. Red wines can be really good if you get into the headspace that it's its own flavor.

>>6639213
it's worth a try.

one difference in red and white besides the color of the grape is that most white wine is fermented with just the juice while red wine is the fermented with the skins of the grapes. This is where the color actually comes from. You get something else with it though which is tannins. Tannins have a very peculiar mouthfeel, very similar to bitter chocolate. Putting the two together may help you get used to that.

Try a medium bodied zin first. Cline Lodi shouldn't be too hard to find

>>6639177
get some bitter chocolate and nice cheeses, possibly some nuts too
compliments it well

im a big fan of port wine, you can get a decent bottle for 11-14 bucks here and itll get you pretty fucked up too if thats your thing. Its good if youre with company that youre trying to fuck as well.

so much bad information in this thread

for me it's the opposite - i've always enjoyed red wine as it has a nice "savoury" taste

i (personally) think it's harder given X price-point to find a good white wine than it is to find a good red. i've had very few white wines that i've genuinely enjoyed - and almost all of these were only enjoyed due to the food they were paired with. to find a white wine that i can drink standalone and not detest (within a reasonable price range) is nigh on impossible for me. it just (for me) has no flavour. perhaps it's because i'm a smoker and my tastebuds are ruined, but i greatly prefer strong flavours; hence red wine

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>>6639536
Lolwut

>>6639533
I'm not saying anyone should be going out of their way to drink either, but cheap red wine is a lot easier to choke down than cheap white wine

I've been known to buy reds that cost as little as $8-10/btl sometimes, but for whites I don't think I've bought anything under $20 since the last invasion of iraq

>>6639177
You have to stop wanting it to be sweet and appreciate for what it is. Once you realize that it will not taste like a white and stop comparing it to white you can appreciate it for what it is. There are some truly amazing flavors that can come from red wine. Personal favorite of mine are syrah blends. I know it's not a bordeaux but i like the mix of earthy leather and red fruit.

Try pick related.

>>6639789
>implying there are not sweet red wines
>implying op didn't say he likes dry white wines
>implying bordeaux is somehow "the best" and wine needs to be apologized for if it's not bordeaux

It's been demonstrated that if you don't like red wine immediately, you'll never grow to like it ever. Let me find the study.

>>6639797
there are sweet reds obviously. I was just offering some helpful points. bordeaux is often reviewed as some of the best wine in the world.

>giving this much of a fuck about what random people say on the internet

>>>/b/

>>6639179

Confirmed for never having drunk any serious White Burgundy, Champagne, or Riesling.

I drink a lot of red wine. Some of my favorite affordable brands are St Genevieve, Ed's (a Texas blend), Goddess and whatever else.

Cheap wine isn't always bad.

>>6639817
Yeah but it's not even the same varietal, at least you could say it's not a CdP or something...

>>6639838
A lot of neanderthals think riesling is bum wine because all they know is blue nun

It's like dumb ass california wine drinkers who think chablis is a pink sweet wine that comes in boxes

>>6639177
Why not try to ease into reds by trying light reds first? Beaujolais has very low tannins, probably the lowest I can think of. As long as you stay away from Beaujolais Nouveau and regular Beaujolais, it should be satisfying. Aside from Beaujolais, Pinot Noir is also not tannic. Aside from a few communes of Burgundy, I've never had a PN that had dominant tannins.

>>6639874
>pinot noir is not tannic
People love to over-oak pinot noiur, especially california

If you want a wine you can trust, and you don't want to obsessively memorize an encyclopedia of which wines are ok and which aren't, buy something from europe because of DOC/DOP/AOC laws. American wine is a train wreck of people doing whatever the fuck they want, which means it's sometimes great but sometimes horrific, who knows it's a surprise isn't this fun!

Anyway, barbera wines from northern italy are fairly reliable in terms of (low) tannin levels

>>6639848
That's a good thing though. If everyone thought highly of Chablis and German Riesling, I'd never be able to buy great ones for under $30. The prices are already creeping up ever so slightly, but the increases aren't as severe as Burgundy (Cote d'or), which is my main interest.

>>6639879
Maybe he meant a decent pinot noir from France (Alsace is where it's at), which is indeed very light in tannins.

>>6639874

To me Beaujolais is kinda shitty, light red wines from the Loire Valley are so much better imo. OP could look into Saumur Champigny, they make red and white and both are to be enjoyed young and slightly chilled.

Also OP, if you dislike the astringence of red wine, know that it gets more mellow the longest it rests in barrels. "Real" red wines are not supposed to be drunk until a few years.
When you have a chance, try a pre 2010 Bordeaux that has been properly stored, open the bottle and let it breath for a couple hours.
There's no shame in asking a cavist about a good red wine for beginners.

Also if you can't afford french wines and as much as I like the USA, from what I've been able to experience South Africa and Chile make better wines for your money.

>>6639879
I don't even like CA wines, but balanced CA Pinot is a lot easier to find than ever. That Au Bon Climat Pinot that you see in every CA grocery store is quite balanced. Then there are a lot of smaller wineries like Flowers, Kutch, Littorai, Rhys, Rivers-Marie, and so on making CA Pinots with good acidity and low oak notes. I certainly don't disagree that there are a lot of super oaky CA Pinots; I've had my tongue splintered by my share of commercial Pinots like Meiomi and Belle Glos. However, fine wine is about the small percentage of artisanal wines, not the wine industry as a whole. Just because most domestic shelves are stocked with Wagner family products doesn't mean that CA wines are automatically unbalanced. It just means you need to explore more.

I wouldn't give so much credit to AOC laws. There are a lot of bad or unimpressive wines from AOC regulated regions too, so it's clearly not something you can blindly rely on. There's no substitute for learning and exploring different producers and regions.

>>6640011
I don't think you can fairly compare Beaujolais to Loire Reds because you'd be comparing Gamay to Cab Franc. I like both of them, but they aren't interchangeable. I specifically warned about Nouveau and straight Beaujolais because those are truly shitty. The joke is that good Beaujolais doesn't have "Beaujolais" on the label. The only Beaujolais worth drinking is the single village stuff, aka cru Beaujolais, and the price creeps certainly confirm this (it's a lot more difficult to find good ones <$20). I highly doubt a beginner would enjoy Loire Cab Franc because of the herbaceous character and high acid, so I suggested Beaujolais because it's a lot more inoffensive.

>>6640137
>I highly doubt a beginner would enjoy Loire Cab Franc because of the herbaceous character and high acid

Remember that OP enjoys white wines.
Saumur Champigny and Gamay (never underestimate gamay de Touraine) may be more up his (her?) alley than you'd expect.

Other than that I wasn't comparing them as interchangeable; I was giving my own opinion, hence
>To me
>imo

I've harvested grapes in the Beaujolais as a summer job, to this day I'm still unimpressed by the wines of the region. Granted I'm biased towards Loire Valley because I've spent my summers as a kid there, and we still have a cousin that makes wine there.

>>6639177
Try lambrusco, it's excellent

>>6639592
Goodwin point....

Don't feed the troll

>>6640011
Pinot noir from Alsace is more a "dark rosé" then a red wine... Its a typical summer wine, you drink it cold like white wines... The only red wine red whine from Alsace is "Rouge d Ottrot" , and I don't think that you will found it outside from Alsace... But just across the border in Pfalz/Germany they start to make some really nice red wines ( due to the temperature raising, red wine grapoes have better conditions, and now they have problems with white wines.. Too much sugar == too much alcohol)

Captcha : "find the wine..." ^^ ...

Is "red wine only at room temperature" still a meme?

>>6640554
The problem is that most people don't know that "room temperature" mean around 17-20° C not 35°C ...

So yes: red wines are better served at "room temperature"... Not at 10°C like white wines...

>>6640554
Was it ever a meme?

This might not be relevant to the thread, but reading it makes me glad I'm portuguese and not only have great wines (my preferred kind being red) but also a very decent knowledge of them without being an Enólogo.

I had this last night.

>Americans can't appreciate something unless it has bags of sugar added in

Not surprised.

I don't really care for red wines, but white is alright. Is it effeminate to drink white wines? I usually just drink beer instead at restaurants.

>>6640886
What year was it?

I drinking my goon sack now, lol

>>6639177

I buy 2 bottles of Shiraz for £5 each and drink them as quickly as I can to get pissed.

>>6641093
2001

>>6641130
Do you own a Global knife, by chance?

>>6640886
I have a box of 6 "Esprit de Pavie" in my cave.... The first bottle i oppened was bad :(

>>6640976
>Is it effeminate to drink white wines?
Yes, men should only drink lafroog

>>6641218
That's the way to do it

>>6639177

Red wine is ONLY wine.

>>6641371
it's pronounced:
>laff-rogue

>>6641287
Yeh mate.

Went to a claret wine tasting today, shit was nice

>>6642411
Well, what was the lineup?

>>6642411
Will britbongs and other mincing prancing homosexuals please stop calling it "claret"? It's like fingernails on a chalkboard.

>>6643929
Brits very existence is like nails on a chalkboard.

>>6643929
What else should we call it ?

>>6643929
>WAAAAAAH WAAH MOM THEY'RE SAYING STUFF ON /CK/ AGAIN PLEASE MOOOOOOM

>>6643945
How about what everyone else in the world calls it?

There is no justification for calling it claret, claret as the term was originally meant hasn't existed for hundreds of years.

>>6643953
>The name was anglicised to "claret" as a result of its widespread consumption in England during the period in the 12th–15th centuries
What is it like ALWAYS being wrong, Faggot?

>>6643967
Please answer honestly. Are you a homosexual?

>>6643972
I am in fact gay.
What is it like to always be wrong? Do you ever wonder why you can't be like all the other boys and girls?

>>6643967
Apparently you missed EVERYTHING ELSE with that backstory. Read more, you're wasting my time.

>>6643976
> It is a protected name within the European Union, describing a red Bordeaux wine, accepted after the British wine trade demonstrated over 300 years' usage of the term
Wrong yet again you dumb cocksucker. Kill yourself now.

>>6643978
Repeating a mistake for centuries only makes you more stupid. Claret means clear, and refers to a rose wine that hasn't been made since practically the middle ages. You're wrong, you're a faggot, end of discussion.

>>6643990
People are still going to call it a claret. They will go to bed happy tonight and you will still be angry over something that isn't going to change.

>>6643996

as an American I have only heard the word "claret" used in British fiction but I know what it is

>>6643996
>people
>bonglords
Pick one

>>6643996
And ISIS will still destroy ancient statues and rape little girls, you can't stop it so we should just be happy about it right?

>>6644022
You must lead a sheltered life.

>>6644188
Nobody cares, Frenchie. You don't even have a real language.

>>6644255
>mfw language is a french word

>>6644354
No, it comes from a french word.
It's not frogspeak though.

Well this thread just took a sharp turn to autismville.

>>6641413

are you attempting to be an ebin troll or something?

I've been enjoying Italian reds recently, stuff from the valpolicella region in particular.

>>6644380
Yes because brits were too retarded to make the correct sound without butchering the word's spelling.

>>6639177
Very easy to pick up shitty wine. And no, price doesn't point you in the right direct. Although a seemingly bad wine can be turned around with aeration.

>>6640574
everything is a meme. We all internets now.

>>6639177
>drink bordeaux, only the expensive stuff isany good, good with meat not strong cheese
>rioja good with everything
>malbec horrid strong tasting
>south african ditto
>pinot noir funny chemical taste
>barolo quite clear tastes a bit liek strawberries

I still have many wines to taste

>acquired taste

stop, this isn't a real thing

>>6645548
>pinot noir funny chemical taste
Protip: if the label actually says "pinot noir" anywhere, it's new world garbage. Good pinot noir has an appellation name on it, or is spelled "spätburgunder"

>>6645600

Yes it is, you massive, autismal cunt.

>>6639177
I recommend you try a shiraz. In my experience those are fruitier and "lighter" than other reds, so that might be a good place for you to start.

>>6645627
Lots of regional Burgundy labels say "Bourgogne Pinot Noir," so it's not just limited to new world Pinots.

>>6645654
Literally prove it.

>>6639201
They say a glass a day can actually be beneficial to your health. Just saying

>>6645663
lolwut

fruity yes, light no

>>6645548
Did you literally drink one of each category and generalize the entire region/varietal?

Whites are much harder to make taste good, people with the best palates often prefer whites.

>>6639848
Assblasted Canadian (BC).

>>6639879
Another assblasted Canadian. Face it, you're wine sucks walrus ass. Come to California and try some real wine.

>>6644396
Fucking raw parade of fail.

>>6646129
It's a work in progress. Doesn't mean I won't try more south african wine or malbecs or that there weren't a lot of riojas that I found to be a bit meh.

>haven't been into wine much my entire life
>decide to buy two after checking out a hundred-ish online
>one tastes like every other wine, expensive or cheap
>the other one is much better

I guess I'm a port wine kind of guy.
Maybe I can't enjoy wine at all.

>>6647018
>I guess I'm a port wine kind of guy
Looks like we win once again.

>>6646615
>>6646602
That's hilariously specific and also wrong. I used to live there. CA wine is mostly garbage. There are a few good wines but so what, the same is true of many places. It's like Wisconsin being proud of their cheese, you people just need to accept the reality and not the fantasy pushed by some industry group.

>>6647086
HEROIS DO MAR

>>6646615
>Cali
>real wine

I like a lot of things about Cali, but your wine isn't one of them.

>>6647086
How come port wine tastes stronger than the other wines?

Regular wine is just so.. There's not enough strong flavor to enjoy in small quantities. It's like it's made for drinking to quench your thirst rather than enjoying a small sip.

>>6647283
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortified_wine

Port is closer to something like Martini than regular red wine.

>>6647285
Ooh, fortified wine, I see.

Is this something you can mix yourself or does it require aging together for a while?

Would be fun to mix things together till you find the taste your looking for.

>>6647290
No, you're paying premium for an imported beverage which was made by pouring brandy into a bottle of red wine ;)

They're mixed before fermentation, you dolt. You could have just read the wikipedia article I linked.

>>6647018
You may in fact be my nigga. If you like port, see if you can find some quality Madeira. It's a fortified wine like port that can be amazing as well. Portugal is king of fortified wine.

>>6647299
I just got home!

>>6647302
I'm definitely gonna try out more port wine.

We have a few madeiras over here. One of them was the one I was looking at to get, but I figured I'd try one in the lower price class which was the Kopke.

Best wines coming through

>>6647299
>They're mixed before fermentation, you dolt.

Uhm, no. The spirit is added AFTER fermentation has started, but before it has finished.

If the spirit was added at the very beginning it would never ferment at all--read your own article. The added spirit kills the yeast. Therefore it is obvious that it cannot be added at the beginning, otherwise there wouldn't be any fermentation.

The process is that the wine is fermented just like normal. After the majority (but not all) of the fermentation has taken place the additional spirit is added.

Wine is only good for a light buzz and quality tops out at the 15 bux mark. Only retards pay more.

>>6647457
>bux
Opinion discarded

>>6647457
>holds up spork

>>6647338

Subjective. Spanish reds are all exquisite and there is a nero d'avola from italy that is one of my favorites

>>6647538
I just hope people keep ignoring Portugal because their wine is super fucking cheap for its price due to its lack of popularity and "prestige".

>>6647500
>I pay for my rancid grape juice exclusively with Krugerrands

>>6647559
I don't ignore it but as far as I can tell, aside from port they only really do full bodied dark tannic reds, which I rarely drink anymore. Let alone any whites except vinho verde.

Probably if I had known about Portugal when I was a new drinker and that was all I was interested in, I'd have loved the stuff. But these days I go for medium to light bodied reds since I'm not eating steak and hamburgers 7 days a week anymore. I don't know if they have the geographic diversity to support an enormous range of wine styles in the way that France does, for example.

As for vinho verde I usually get the obligatory bottle at some point during the summer.

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