/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>6604521
only claim they make I give a fuck about is "enter the promo code and get 50% off"

>Better Ingredients

Subjective.

>our fresh, never frozen, original dough

They don't disclose their ingredients, so you can't be so sure.

Our original pre-prepared dough is fresh and never frozen.

>all-natural

Literally doesn't mean anything.

>fresh-packed tomato sauce

My ketchup is fresh when it's packed, too.

>100% real meats

I'm really concerned that telling people that their food is "real" is a selling point. You people should be more concerned about it, instead of letting them get away with this shit.

Also: "our meat is 100% meat" does not mean much of anything.

>fresh-sliced veggies

The veggies were fresh when they were sliced.

>quality

What kind of quality?

>slice above the rest

Eh.


No one buys Papa Johns because of these buzzwords. They do it to create an image for themselves, because they know people will go there regardless. It's the same reason McDonald's doesn't have to try much these days. Even those who hate it or say it's shit will eat there, because it's cheap and it's edible.

>>6604521
It's to make you feel good about your purchase so you become a repeat customer. Ever look at the wrappers at Chipotle? They're far worse. They say shit like: "I'm no expert, but Pasture Raised sounds better to me" and "A vote for Chipotle is a vote for fun".

You see the same kind of self congratulatory affirmations pasted all over a Whole Foods. It's to make you feel good about spending your money there so you return to spend more.

>>6604641

This. It's why you have people who are huge fans of Chipotle and legitimately believe that it's not fast food or that they butcher the cow in the kitchen. There are people who actually think it's the healthiest fucking thing for you.

Panera has the same "problem" (of course they don't consider blind loyalty a problem, it's good for business).

I don't understand what Papa Johns gets out of this though. OP's question wasn't answered because nobody has an answer to it. It's easy to see why Chipotle's marketing dupes people, but it's hard to find a single person who will read what's on the box of a Papa Johns pizza and boast about it like they do with Chipotle.

I think it's there just to be there.

>>6604521

From my time working at Papa John's, I can verify that the dough was fresh, and the veggies were prepped daily. All the rest is either buzzword bullshit or effectively meaningless.

>>6604648
>There are people who actually think it's the healthiest fucking thing for you

uh but dude
those macros are perfect

>having a pizza box to read

found your first mistake

>>6604658
Not when you're eating something as big as this as most people get.

>>6604666
Yep. The bowls and salads aren't terrible, but those burritos are in the realm of 1,000 calories a pop, according to the nutrition calculator on Chipotles website.

>>6604521
>How is this effective marketing?

I know they market heavily to NFL fans.
Just the simple little "better ingredients, better pizza" ringing in the background when watching an NFL game sticks with you. The big name QB Peyton Manning owns a franchise and is in commercials.
Most people dont read into anything thats actually said, just the shallow little saying.

Im going to be honest, when I (like millions of people) sit down on football sunday, I vegetate and snack from 12 noon to about 11PM.

I dont even watch the commercials, but the advertising truly makes you crave all sorts of stuff I would never eat during the week. (which is quickly snuffed out when I chow down on some homemade chili or something)

>>6604521
They got you to think about it and start a conversation.

Seems effective to me.

>>6604685
its because of the sour cream, cheese, and beans

you need to get your burritos fajita with a leaner meat

>>6604648
I think it's less a matter of people "falling for it" and more an attempt to make them feel good about their purchase. Imagine the situation: you were feeling hungry and lazy, so you ordered a pizza, then proceeded to overindulge in the greasy carbs, most likely consuming more than a day's worth of fat and salt in the process, most likely blowing way past the number of calories you ought to have consumed for the day. You can realize this and become depressed, but then you notice the copy on the box, which offers vague reassurance that you have somehow spent your money on a quality product. You take it at face value, because it's better than the guilt and shame you were on the edge of feeling. This means you'll be a little less likely to hesitate the next time your fat ass is feeling lazy and you're thinking about ordering a pizza.

Makes perfect sense. People like having the choices they made backed up with positive affirmations. It's really just a more sophisticated take on what pizza boxes used to say: "You're tried the rest, now try the best!"

>>6604641
Man this has been discussed a billion times. Chipotle does have some actual principles. Pasture-raised has a meaning - 'natural' doesn't.

When I was eating pizza more often, I liked Papa Johns because of their gimmick with the pepperoncini and garlic butter with each pizza.

People are stupid, and will believe anything.

>>6604685
I just checked the burrito I had yesterday. While it only clocked in at 765 cal, which isn't so bad for dinner the damned thing had 2800mg of fucking sodium in it!

>>6604752
The Garlic Butter is better than the actual pizza.

>>6604737
I'll grant you that, but in the end it's still feel good marketing, principles or not. Chipotle and Papa John's are still selling high calorie, high sodium fast food. If anything Chipotle is more filthy from an ethics perspective because they work very hard to promote the illusion that their fast food is somehow a healthy and environmentally aware choice, and no fast food is either of those things.

>>6604791
If a fast food corp that cares a tiny a bit about the environment/local farmers/etc. takes some business away from others that don't care at all, I don't see how that could be bad.

As far as restaurants go Chipotle doesn't seem that unhealthy. They make more ingredients from scratch than many sit down places that just ship everything in frozen and let you assume they cooked something when really they microwaved you a twenty dollar tv dinner.

>>6604636
>I'm really concerned that telling people that their food is "real" is a selling point.

This is what bothers me about a lot of food advertisements.

>>6604803
>As far as restaurants go Chipotle doesn't seem that unhealthy.
I got a fucking vegan burrito (an extremely modest order in light of their other offerings) yesterday that had 400mg more than a day's recommended dose of salt. In one fucking meal. To me that does not qualify "not that unhealthy".
>If a fast food corp that cares a tiny a bit about the environment/local farmers/etc. takes some business away from others that don't care at all, I don't see how that could be bad.
The question is whether or not their actions are in any way meaningful. The environment doesn't care about anyone's intentions. If Chipotle's principles amount to nothing in the grand scheme of things than they're actually causing harm by squandering legitimate public concern on meaningless gestures instead of promoting positive change.

>>6604821
>To me that does not qualify "not that unhealthy".

Sodium is far less dangerous than you seem to think it is, unless you happen to have a medical condition that makes you sensitive to it.

>>actually causing harm by squandering legitimate public concern on meaningless gestures

I blame the ignorant people in the population who are so easily mislead.

>>6604821
>promoting positive change
isn't replacing some of the regular fast food with something better a positive thing? too much salt isn't a big deal as far as the horrors of fast food go. As far as improving livestock standards and trying to get more organic food in the store, those are good things.

I mean they could attempt to dismantle fast food as an institution but I don't think that's going to work.

Granted, they make a big fuss out of the changes they do make, giving them a better reputation than they deserve. But it's not complete puffery like papa john's.

Not trying to derail with tendies shitposting but their tenders and honey mustard alone beat any other fast food ones out there. Easily better than McD's and Burger King, and about equal to Wendy's.

I've always wondered this. Not just about PJ's but all advertising. I'd like to think it doesn't work on me, and I'm sure everyone else would too, but there's a reason it's such a huge industry. Things like this, and slapping Guy Fieri's face on a spatula, and Wendy's and McDonald's reinventing the way their stores look in an attempt to be seen as higher quality food, all seem like complete wastes of time and insults to intelligence to me but I'm not the guy getting paid millions to develop this stuff so I guess I don't really know.

>>6604767

It's vegan, too :D

>>6604845

Wendy's has tendies!?

>>6604687
What gets me buying Papa Johns is the price. They have plenty of decent options, even though their pizzas can be salty as fuck with watery sauce. I tend to get thin pizza to avoid that, or when I'm not in the mood for their crust.

They have so many online deals up the ass that it's enough to get people to want to go there. It's a strong 5/10 pizza, though.

I wish they would change their shit. It's not like it's a bad thing to make your pizza more appealing. It's like, you put a gun to my head with the deals the least you can do is make it a more pleasant experience.

>>6604832
You just summed up their marketing in a nutshell, and it seems you buy into it. I do not. I do not see how selling people "better" garbage is somehow noble. You're still selling garbage. Including a few local/organic ingredients and some pasture raised meat sure sounds good, but it makes your supply chain less efficient, increasing your carbon footprint. And for all they crow about helping local farmers they sure are dependent on Mexican avocados, which makes them just as (if not more) "helpful to the Knights Templar, a ruthless drug cartel that controls the avocado trade.

I fail to see how a few dubious gestures make a business as nefarious as fast food somehow laudable. I almost prefer the puffery on the Papa John's box because at least it doesn't sound like thinly veiled hypocrisy.

>>6604521

I delivery drove for a few of them back in college and most of that is true or a buzzword.

>it starts with our Better Ingredients

Most veggies are the same as any other pizza joint. Their sausage quality sucks though and never order the beef, it goes bad fast and it's nasty. Better, no but similar yes depending on what toppings you order.

>our fresh, never frozen, original dough

True and their dough is decent.

>all-natural

Meaningless buzzword

>fresh-packed tomato sauce

When I worked there we got a big can of sauce then mixed it with a seasoning packet which was basically Italian seasoning + salt. Not the best sauce but I've had worse. They used to have this limited time chunky sauce for a limited run pizza and it was legit good but no longer.

>100% real meats

Real meat means nothing. Like I said sausage and beef are crap there. Pepperoni is about the same everywhere unless you buy some quality stuff yourself.

>fresh-sliced veggies

True sliced everyday.

>quality

Quality compared to Pizza Hut or Caesars. Since Domino's changed up their pizza it's almost identical to Papa John's. If only they had better tomato sauce it would be a solid chain pizza joint. The one here has a $5 Tuesday night deal so for that price you can't beat it if you're in a lazy mood or no time to cook.

"All natural" is just one of those buzzwords ready to prey on the feeble minded who think they can live forever on avocado enemas and that bread is poison. Dog shit and botulism are "all natural", so I take those claims with a grain of salt.

>>6604901
In my experience quality pepperoni means some form of salami and salami is simply inferior to pepperoni when it comes to pizza toppings.

>>6604899
How do we determine when restaurant food isn't garbage anymore though? Most restaurants -- not just fast food, all of them-- do the same kinda shit. What's better, improving some things and being called a hypocrite for not improving other things, or improving nothing?

papa johns won't even show three ingredient list

papa john's is actually my favorite delivery pizza, the dough isn't cardboard, and dat sweet sweet garlic sauce.

>>6604939
The best restaurants are the super upscale places with only one location, and the cheaper places that have more than one but less than 10 locations. The other places either aren't good enough to expand or some MBA fuck has gotten involved and A/B tested all the flavor out of the food.

>>6604901
>Real meat means nothing
Doesn't it mean the meat isn't cut with soy, or I dunno, cardboard? Both occur.

>>6604648

What is that gross Negroid doing putting his hands OVER the protective glass screen. Fucking filthy octoroon.

>>6604939
>How do we determine when restaurant food isn't garbage anymore though?
You don't. You put your blinders on and eat it anyway. Because few of us have the dough to eat at places like Blue Hill on a regular basis (if at all). Basically if you're in America and you're eating something convenient and affordable it's a safe bet you're eating garbage.

>>6604966
How do you know that more expensive restaurants do indeed have better quality food?

>>6604984
or maybe it's better to say, more environmentally friendly food. The food might taste better but how is that relevant to something like carbon footprint?

>>6604984
I used Blue Hill as an example because they serve food from their own farm. It's a very safe bet they have better quality food. Pic related.

papa john's is sub-domino's tier, if there is a restaurant out there serving saltier shit than papa i haven't seen it

>>6604988
More of what I'm talking about. This is what Chipotle would like you to think they have behind them.

>>6604521

Had this shit pizza once in Billingston, MT about 3 years ago.
Expensive and shitty and everybody working seemed to be sick with something.

Never again.

Just ordered a cheesesteak pizza, chicken parm pizza, wings, and brownies.
Their pizza is awesome. They've only been around here for a year.
Way better than dominoes, Boston Pizza, Pizza Hut, Pizza 73.

Boston Pizza is great, but it's too expensive and delivery takes an hour and a half so your pizza is shitty when it finally arrives. I only get pizza from there when I dine in.

>>6604990
But that just isn't true. Pizza Hut and Papa Johns are not in anyway good pizza but they are the best of all the major chains that deliver. Little Caesars dominates the bottom end by being extremely cheap but still edible. Dominos is in this weird space where its barely better than if not equal to LC but much more expensive despite being less expnesive than PJ or PH. Theres literally no reason to ever order Dominos unless you want one of their side dishes.

>>6605047

I moved to NC but whenever I visit my sis in Boston we go to Pizzeria Regina in Allston which is like a 5 min walk from her place. That stuff is awesome, but a bit expensive....like everything else in btown.

>>6604521
I don't know but I do know papa johns is delicious

>>6605073
I think we're talking about different things.

Just arrived. Yum yum

>>6604871
McDonalds' recent marketing attempts have not succeeded, actually. Their business has been veeeery slowly contracting for a little while. There are occasionally news articles about stuff like how their attempts at upscale brands failed.

they can't get anyone to take them seriously in an upscale way because lolmcdonalds. They can't improve food quality or go with even cheaper prices because if they get more traffic in the door at the expense of some money their capitalist overlords will shit themselves.

Their leadership is practically panicking because admitting that the company became so enormous and profitable that peaking and declining was inevitable isn't really a thing that investors will want to hear.

>>6604694
or you could just take out of the sour cream, cheese, and beans

>>6604759
Even in themselves?

>>6604521
>How is this effective marketing?
I don't know but it's better to shill on /ck/ isn't it?

>Fun Fact: Pappa John's pizza dough contains more sodium than any other pizza chains.

>>6604694
The tortilla is 300 calories

>>6605307
not to shill(but time to shill) you should try baja fresh. we seve better and healthier food. nothings frozen, we don't own a microwave, veggies cut almost every day, steak/chicken/shrimp/grilled and fried fish are all cooked and prepped fresh at the resteraunt every single day. the only 'not' fresh thing i can think of would be the carnitas which we get in bags from corporate. the beans are soaked overnight in seasonings from corporate/water and cooked in the morning before we open. we fry the rice first and then put in in the rice maker with the tasty shit, it makes it taste SO much better. we had a newguy skip the frying process once and it tasted so much worse we threw that shit away and started again. we got a bit of a fucktarded menu and our food's a little overpriced imo but like all objectively better food you pay more i guess. if your a fucking asshole we'll charge you for everything like we should but if your a nice guy we're actualy allowed some leeway with pricing (i can give 10% off and not charge for all kinds of shit) so we can make the enjoyeable people return more often and 'cultivate a better environment for customers'.

oh and fuck chipotle they don't have free chips, we have unlimited free chips even for the occasional dirty homeless guy who can't afford anything and just wanted to use our bathroom.

>>6605384
>baja fresh
My only problem with Baja Fresh is that everything tastes like shit.

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>>6605422
what specificaly tastes like shit and in your opinion how do we make it better?

>>6605459
Everything. Stop serving shit ingredients.

>>6605459
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>>6605459
How do I describe it? It's like the word "fresh" in the name of the place is a serious misnomer. Everything tastes kind of synthetic to me, even the tortillas. I suspect it's the "seasonings" you add to the food - I'd be willing to bet industrially produced "natural and artificial flavors" are the main components in them aside from salt. There's really no other way to make stuff you cook up fresh yourself taste like it came from boxes and cans.

Your food looks right. It looks like fresh stuff. But it tastes as fake as McD's or Taco Bell, which is actually quite an accomplishment, just not a good one.

>>6604648

Chipotle is GMO free and, quite literally and measurably, different and healthier than any other fast or fast casual food establishment

>>6605579
>Chipotle is GMO free
Some of their ingredients are locally sourced and organic as well. But it's still high calorie, heavily salted fast food, so claiming it's healthier is like a drunk switching from beer to vodka because it's more "pure". He's still a drunk, and you're still eating fast food.

>>6604805
It's a tactic to imply something about their competition. It makes people think "is this something I need to look out for?" and "Well if they say it it has to be true or it's false advertising"
McDonalds: 100% all beef patties (Implies other places dont use 100 percent beef)

it's the same shit as saying "Toenail clippings free guaranteed or your money back!

>>6604657
This. the 100% real meat is most likely real meat, except shitty cut meat.

However, the tomato sauce is probably fresh packed - in plastic bags loaded with sugar.

>>6605620
that is true. papa johns sauce is way too goddamn sweet.

>>6604737
most cows are pasture raised though.

pasture raised and corn finished is how the big feedlots have been operating forever

>>6605083
Why do you hate your plates so much?

>>6605583
being high calorie isn't the problem with your typical fast food restaurant, it's the ingredients. chipotle has a lot of calories because they give you a huge serving. if one were to go to the grocery store and buy meat, cheese, and tortillas, and eat that, that'd be about the same thing you could get at chipotle. mcdonald's on the other hand, good luck making that at home. you don't know their fillers, additives, and flavorants.

>>6604658
>counting macros
literal scum. A calorie is a calorie.

>>6605682
Macros are about proportioning nutrients, not calories, my retarded easily-triggered friend.

>>6605682
it's an oversimplification. at the very least, how much fat/protein/carb you eat heavily influences how likely you are to stick to a caloric limit. American diets fail because they focus more on calorie counting than eating patterns.

>>6605676
>you don't know their fillers, additives, and flavorants.
You are correct, and I agree such things are best avoided.

But I can assure you the meals I make at home do not casually sail over 2000mg sodium while containing 14g or more of saturated fat and delivering well over 1000 calories. That is junk food. Yes, it's junk food made from a better class of ingredients, Ingredients that could be used to make something that wasn't junk food. Chipotle makes them into junk food.

>>6605720
are you sure?
do you have the equipment to test the nutritional content of your food?
I'm not even trying to be combative, but the way I cook, and everyone I know cooks, is pretty slapdash. I don't know what is in the food I make, as far as fat and salt is concerned

>>6605720
Your definition of junk food could be applied to any restaurant, not just fast food in particular. Even a homemade Mexican joint will have a lot of fat and salt. Moreso if they're legit and use lard for everything. When I think of why fast food is unhealthy, I think of trans fat, corn syrup, and the aforementioned crack-like additives that make it impossible to stop eating. The only thing that makes Chipotle 'fast food' is that...it's fast.

papa johns is over seasoned shit

>>6605734
On the slat front alone Chipotle is 2-3x higher than my home cooking. Then again, most restaurant cooking is.

And I don't serve meat with sour cream and cheese on top of it at home, so there's that, too.

>>6605384
interenet marketing pls go

>>6604521
I believe it's from papa johns, that's the only thing on that box I trust.

>>6604657
Maybe your Papa John's had higher standards than the one I worked at but those mushrooms are sure as shit not fresh.

its just another testament how awful the food industry is.

a pizza place shouldn't have to advertise it uses 100% real cheese and actual sausage, if it does you should have second thoughts about why they have to advertise that in the first place.

pappa johns could advertise they use 100% real cat shit on their pizza and people would still buy it as long as comes with 3 gallons of garlic butter.

>>6604521
Why don't you believe any of it? It's all just normal stuff pretending to be special.

"Fresh packed tomato sauce! It wasn't left sitting around for no reason after being made in the factory. They packed it straight away!"

"100% real meat! None of that more expensive artificial stuff for us, no sir. It's real meat. 100% of it!"

>>6605972
>butter

>>6605978
To be fair meat can be stretched with meat-flavored 'other'.

>>6604521
my fucking research advisor would get us papa johns every time we had to grade exams for his class

This took place in downtown chicago of all places.

>>6604666
Honestly, when I get chipotle it's the only thing I eat all day, besides a snack later (as in, steamed vegetables or something because that shit is delicious).
Same for the rest of my family actually.

>>6604691
>They got you to think about it and start a conversation.


I'm pretty sick of hearing this. OP is literally the first person I have ever heard talk about the writings on a box of pizza.

Papa Johns tastes like utter garbage and is by far the worst chain pizza. That sauce is disgusting.

>>6604803
>They make more ingredients from scratch than many sit down places that just ship everything in frozen and let you assume they cooked something when really they microwaved you a twenty dollar tv dinner.

A lot of their stuff is not "from scratch". Barbacoa, steak, and plenty other ingredients come in bags. Their produce is chopped fresh, however, which I guess is a plus. The juice they use for the rice comes in a bottle, they're not freshly squeezing lime juice on it like some people think. There's a lot over there that is pretty typical of fast food restaurants.

A lot of their claims are about where they get the food from, and not what happens before it reaches the restaurant. This isn't saying that it's bad that they stuff their shit in a ReTherm and serve it to people, but I think it's wrong to give the impression that the cow was butchered there and that they picked their produce this morning.

>>6608144
>Barbacoa, steak, and plenty other ingredients come in bags.

But it comes in raw. The food is actually cooked on the premises shortly before it is served. Most "fast food" products are pre-cooked from the factory and the restaurant just heats them up.

>lime juice
The one I used to go do would squeeze the limes fresh and strained it through a sieve into a squirt bottle. You could see them making it behind the counter.

>> think it's wrong to give the impression that the cow was butchered there and that they picked their produce this morning.

Agreed 100%. But to me, the simple fact that they actually cook the meat on the premises shortly before the food is made puts them miles ahead of the typical fast food joint were the burger patties or the chicken was cooked in a factory 1000 miles away and then reheated to serve it.

>>6604953
It means that the meat you're eating is real. It doesn't mean that it's not a bunch of shit mashed together. Hell, they could throw soy in it and still say that their meat is real.

By "meat", they don't mean each individual piece of sausage. They meat 'meat' in a general sense.

I like how I can leave 4chan for a couple months, come back, and people are still crying about Chipotle.

>>6605579
>different and healthier than any other fast or fast casual food establishment

Please visit other casual food establishments, then.

>>6605676
>if one were to go to the grocery store and buy meat, cheese, and tortillas, and eat that, that'd be about the same thing you could get at chipotle.

And the seasoning that they have in their bags before it's water heated and served to customers. Don't oversimplify what they do over there, because you're leaving a lot out. Are you an employee there? Do you demonstrate 13 characteristics? I didn't last long there because they would grill me constantly about corporate culture and ideas. Everyone had this cult mentality over there.

>>6605972

A good guideline to follow is to not eat anything that has to tell you it's food is real. Why would you give money to a company that does this? Food advertising is in the worst state than it's ever been, considering we have to tell people our food is real.

I worked at a Papa Johns. The dough is fresh and hand tossed and the vegetables and even some of the meat is cut in store. However, the sauce is just canned sauce.

>>6605978

I didn't say I didn't believe in it, I just don't fall for it. I know their ground up shit-quality meat is 100% meat. Meat is meat, regardless of quality. I know that their veggies were fresh when they were cut.

>>6608165
>Agreed 100%. But to me, the simple fact that they actually cook the meat on the premises shortly before the food is made

Taco Bell cooks a lot of their ingredients in a retherm, the same as Chipotle does. It really doesn't make much of a difference. It'd be like saying "the shit I took today was better than the shit I took last week".

>>6609796

Stop posting images of your boyfriend, Mike.

Also, I laugh when people say things like "fake meat". Meat that's been ground up and/or re shaped is still meat. My friend once went in circles with me arguing that hot dogs aren't actually meat, finally his point ended up being "it's not meat, it's buttholes and snouts and stuff" to which I just stared at him like a moron.

>>6608175
It's better than people praising it up and down.

>>6609811
>to which I just stared at him like a moron.

You didn't say "that is still meat" and end the argument while also educating him at the same time?

>>6609814

By that time I was just done with his idiocy all together.

>>6609925
I'm not here to judge, but I hate when someone just lets someone else remain stupid when all it takes is a few words to educate them on something.

>>6604871
You just proved you're susceptible to marketing, just as everyone else is. I used to think the same but I realized that often marketing is used to implant the idea or fact of the brand in your head. You're aware of Guy Fieri, Wendy's, and McDonald's due to marketing, even if you have zero interest in those. I have no interest in local car dealerships but I'm very aware of them due to all the fucking commercials they aired when I watched TV, and one day if I decide to buy a new car, I may just end up going to one. One day when you're looking for a tacky gift for a friend, you may buy him a Guy Fieri spatula.

>>6604521

What if they marketed honestly?

>Pretty good pizza but pricier than most, but it's cool because we throw in some garlic sauce and a banana pepper that go really well with it.

>Papa Johns!