/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>6391857

wonder bread grilled cheese with lots of butter is the food of the gods.

>>6391857
I find it good on eggs and burgers.

It typically only has two uses for the common person, A. it's great for grilled cheese sandwiches because it melts nicely, B. cold cut sandwiches, but it's mostly used for like childrens lunches since they like it, it's soft and bland, I don't know any adults though who prefer it to an actual cheese on a sandwich.

>>6391866 here

>>6391863
Yeah, forgot burgers...mainly because the already stated melt factor.

>>6391866
this cause cheap sandwiches, I buy it cause its pretty inoffensive to my 2 suburban roommates. The only one who doesnt like it is the black guy who only eats chicken and rice at home, same guy was disgusted at the idea of a turkey sandwich.

>>6391857
If you want to do a quick cheese sauce without first bechamel, and don't have sodium citrate, throwing in some american cheese will help emulsify the other cheeses in the sauce, and also just adds its own flavor.

Also, there is a wide variety of american cheese; from unmeltable plastic worse than kraft singles to deli/artisan stuff, and even ones without emulsifiers so that they are actually considered cheese by the FDA.

>>6391857
american cheese is distinct asnd has a distinct flavour.

like someone says, it goes well in grilled cheese and eggs are its natural mate

its also good on pizza, mixing in with soem soups, and finishing off some dishes with.

all cheeses are cheese

>>6391891
is velveta considered american cheese or is it something different entirely?

>>6391891
>>6391897

Velveeta isn't cheese, I also love velveeta, makes good dip, mac and cheese, or grilled cheese, very gooey and salty

>>6391894

Never heard of American cheese on pizza, and i've lived in America all my life

>>6391857
The only situation where I enjoy American cheese is on a sausage, egg and cheese sandwich from a bodega. And that's probably because of nostalgia for when a broke ass younger me would eat those sandwiches often because they were cheap and I could grab one quickly on my way to work.

In any other situation I'd rather have no cheese than American cheese, because while cheddar is god tier, really mild tasteless cheddar is useless to me.

>>6391906
>American cheese on pizza

Yeah, what the fuck man? The only time I've seen American cheese on pizza was on this Big Mac specialty pizza, but that's hardly common.

I always keep some american cheese around for grilled cheese sandwiches. That's really all I ever make with it, though from time to time I'll also put some in an omelet with other cheese like swiss, cheddar or jalapeno jack.

its good on steak with tabasco or sriracha

I put it in korean ramen

>>6391857
A single slice is a good way to make your cheese sauce virtually fuck up-proof, but no more than one slice and be sure to use plenty of real, flavorful cheese in it.

>>6392178
I bought some sodium citrate for like $5 a while back and can strongly recommend that over the american cheese method

>>6391857
>individually wrapped cheese slices
Kraft singles are not American Cheese, bud

http://boarshead.com/products/cheese/652-american-cheese-loaf-yellow

It's a variant on cheddar.

>>6392201
>It's a variant on cheddar

Oh shut the fuck up you try hard pretentious prick. American Cheese is not a variant of cheddar. It's processed cheese. Kraft singles are processed cheese slices.

There are plenty of good cheese made in America, stop trying to pretend "American Cheese" is somehow one of them.

>>6392214

You seem to think that "processed cheese" and "American cheese" are the same thing. they are not.

>>6392201
>pretending Boar's Head is worth anything
>pretending American cheese is worth anything

>>6392214
>Very early in its history, American cheese was only white in color—as it was made from a blend of cheeses (most often including Cheddar) which were originally only white. However, the later versions are often a yellow hue due to the addition of annatto, a sweet and nutty seasoning added to Cheddar and to Colby so that by the late 1800s American cheese was often simply called "yellow cheese."

>>6392218
You seem to think your opionion matters. It does not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cheese

>American cheese is a type of processed cheese.
>The marketing term, "American Cheese", for processed cheese—combined with the ubiquitous prevalence of processed cheeses in the US, versus outside it—has led to the terms American cheese and "processed cheese" being used interchangeably in America. However, the term, "American cheese" has a legal definition as a type of pasteurized processed cheese under the American Code of Federal Regulations.[5]

Just in case you missed it:

>the term, "American cheese" has a legal definition as a type of pasteurized processed cheese

Now shut the fuck up.

>>6392214
>calls someone else a pretentious prick
>for liking American Cheese
I have no idea what to do with this.

>>6392220
Are you going to present any new information or... are you just going to meme at me and assert things?

>>6392221
>Selective quoting

See >>6392223 and sit down, shut the fuck up, and cry over your shitty cheese.

>>6392224
I'm just going to meme at you while other people present.

>>6392224
Your not pretentious for liking American Cheese, your pretentious for liking American Cheese while trying to pretend it's something it's not, you enormous try hard faggot.

>>6392225
It's a processed cheese. So fucking what? That means it's a cheese blend. Are you going to sit there and argue that Johnny Walker isn't real Scotch because it's a blend?

>you try hard pretentious prick

>>6392229
Then tell me. What is it? What is American Cheese?

>>6392232
That's exactly what I would tell you. It is not Scotch, it is blended Scotch.

>>6392238
Oh, and I'm pretentious?

>>6392234
See >>6392223

>>6392232
>It's a processed cheese. So fucking what?

So fucking stop claiming it isn't processed cheese, like >>6392201 and >>6392218 are. it's processed cheese. Kraft Singles are American Cheese. Get over it.

>>6392241
You're just a stupid neckbeard arguing about cheese. I'm not the other anon you're arguing with.

>>6392242
>see
No. You tell me. In your own fucking words, you god damned 4th grader. What *IS* American Cheese?

Kraft Singles are American. And they are Cheese Product. But they are not "American Cheese." Also, I never claimed it wasn't "processed cheese," but I'm pretty sure you don't understand what that term truly means.

>>6392243
More delicious memes! FEED ME MORE!

>>6392249
plz leave my thread i just wanted to know what to do with american cheese i dont need u memeing the whole place up

>>6392249
>No. You tell me. In your own fucking words

Why do I need to when you have the primary official definition right in front of your stupid pretentious face?

>the term, "American cheese" has a legal definition as a type of pasteurized processed cheese

Look, right there. Argue all you want, you're wrong. That's the definition. Not yours. That one right there. Kraft Singles fit that definition and are American Cheese.

>>6392254
>leave my thread
>you're memeing
Okay, kiddo.

>>6392257
>Why do I need to when you have the primary official definition right in front of your stupid pretentious face?
Because it's plain and obvious that you don't know what "processed cheese" means.

>>6392279
i'm gonna process your cheese if you post here again

>>6392257
>By the FDA's standards, Kraft isn't permitted to refer to Singles as "cheese" because this word indicates that a product is made with at least 51 percent real cheese. This is why the label reads "pasteurized prepared cheese product."
So no. Kraft singles are NOT American Cheese. Real American Cheese is all cheese. It may be processed, but it's all cheese, retard.

>>6392279
>Because it's plain and obvious that you don't know what "processed cheese" means.

Oh are we shifting the focus onto the definition of "processed cheese" to save your ass? Okay, here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processed_cheese

>In the United States, processed cheese is defined, categorized, and regulated by the Food & Drug Administration under the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations Title 21 (Food and Drugs), Section 133 (Cheeses and Cheese Related Products).[6][7] Pasteurized process cheese can be made from a single cheese (solid, or powdered), or a blend of several cheeses. Cream, milkfat, water, salt, artificial color, oils (for consistency and texture), and spices may also be added. The mixture is heated with an emulsifier, poured into a mold, and allowed to cool.
>The US Food & Drug Administration does not maintain a standard of identity for "'Pasteurized Prepared Cheese Product'", a designation which particularly appears on many Kraft products.

Any more told you're like, or are you going to sulk about the definition of the word "processed" now you fucking child?

>>6392257
The pic on the left is American cheese. Kraft singles can GTFO of the universe. They are not cheese and they are not food.

>>6392281
fite me irl

>>6392287
>Pasteurized process cheese can be made from a single cheese (solid, or powdered), or a blend of several cheeses.
>blend of several cheeses
Oh, like American Cheese? Did you know that Kraft Singles are less than 51% cheese? That's why they aren't cheese, let alone AMERICAN CHEESE.

>told
>implying

American cheese is only good for burgers.
Everything else is in the domain of Tillamook cheddar. That includes for grilled cheese, eggs, sandwiches, mexican, etc.

>>6392287
Rule of thumb-- If they have to sell it as "singles", and it's a toxic orange color, it isn't cheese.

>>6392297
>using cheddar for Mexican food
>ISHYGDDT

>>6392284
>>6392293
Fuck me you're dim:

American Cheese has a legal definition of a processed cheese.
Processed Cheese includes various definitions, some of which are legally recognised and some are not. Kraft happens to use one which is not recognised, but IT'S STILL PROCESSED CHEESE.

You don't do logic much do you?

>>6392307
No, u.

Kraft singles do NOT actually use a legally recognized definition, since they use <51% real cheese. Do I need to repeat myself again, or are you going to continue asserting your delusion?

>>6392310
Oh cool. so if Kraft Singles aren't Processed Cheese, what are they? Now it's your turn.

This is the ingredient list for some proper American cheese. Please compare it to your bullcrap "Kraft Singles" and learn to not suck.

>>6392312
see>>6392284

Kraft Singles are an abomination upon the earth and aren't even food.

>>6392331
>it may be processed

So Kraft Singles are Processed Cheese? And American Cheese is Processed Cheese. So Kraft Singles are American Cheese. Glad we cleared that up.

>>6392312
>Oh cool. so if Kraft Singles aren't Processed Cheese, what are they?
Not the Anon you're responding to, but they're Kraft Singles. The same way Spam is Spam and Pop Tarts are Pop Tarts. They're that very specific kind of foodlike substance that has to go by its own name because it's such a degraded thing you can't consider it an example of the food is sort of resembles.

>>6392335
>pasteurized cheese product
>pasteurized cheese product
>pasteurized cheese product
>pasteurized cheese product
>pasteurized cheese product
Are you fucking blind or just retarded?

Kraft singles are processed cheese product, as opposed to actual cheese. I swear you suck more than my vacuum.

>>6392342
No, he's one of those insecure fuck ups who can't even admit when they're wrong on an anonymous cantonese cartoon board.

>>6392335
>So Kraft Singles are Processed Cheese?
Yes.
> And American Cheese is Processed Cheese.
Yes.

>So Kraft Singles are American Cheese.
No.
American cheese is a subset of processed cheese. Not all processed cheese is American cheese.

Sort of like squares and rectangles. A square is a rectangle, but not all rectangles are squares. The induction does not work both directions.

>>6392342
>prepared

You realise that's a synonym for "processed"? No of course not, you screaming retard.

Various posters frantic flailing to separate Kraft Singles from American Cheese just confirms my earlier assertion: you like American Cheese but you're too pretentious to admit it, so you desperately try to pretend American Cheese is some sort of different type of higher class product so you can feel better about yourself.

It's fucking pathetic to watch. Grow a backbone: just admit you like American Cheese and that's perfectly fine.

>>6392351
>American cheese is a subset of processed cheese

No it isn't.

>Not all processed cheese is American cheese.

Yes it is.

>the term, "American cheese" has a legal definition as a type of pasteurized processed cheese

>>6392355
>american cheese is not a subset of processed cheese
>american cheese is a processed cheese

fucking read before hitting post you faggot

>>6392353
...so then you're just blind? I mean... you want to say you're not retarded, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but... wow. Just wow.

Prepared and pasteurized are not the same word.

>>6392355
>>Not all processed cheese is American cheese.
>Yes it is.

So if imitation Parmesan is made in Sierra Leione it suddenly becomes "American cheese"?

>>6392355
>>the term, "American cheese" has a legal definition as a type of pasteurized processed cheese
Sure, if you stop it there you can justify your bullshit. You're forgetting the part where cheese MUST be at least 51% real cheese in order to be called CHEESE.

It's like this:

>the term "Rape" has a legal definition as a type of coitus
>therefore all sex is raep xdddddddd

>>6392369
>Prepared and pasteurized are not the same word.

No, they're not.
Prepared and PROCESSED are synonyms, though.

>so then you're just blind?

>>6392376
The fuck? Okay, where do you see the word "prepared" in my post that said "pasteurized cheese product"?

This is American CHEESE.

Actually over 51% cheeses and legally classified as actual cheese.

>>6392391
Right here in this post >>6392284

>By the FDA's standards, Kraft isn't permitted to refer to Singles as "cheese" because this word indicates that a product is made with at least 51 percent real cheese. This is why the label reads "pasteurized prepared cheese product."
>pasteurized prepared cheese product
>prepare

Just because you selective quote doesn't mean anyone is falling for it.

>>6392404
Are you fucking kidding me?
>cheese product
You keep insisting that Kraft Singles count as "American Cheese," omit the word "product," and then accuse ME of selective quoting? What the fuck, dude? Like what the actual fuck is wrong with you? Are you a for real autist?

Stop focusing on that word "processed." It is meaningless in this context.

American Cheese is processed cheese.
Kraft singles are processed cheese products.

That doesn't make Kraft Singles American Cheese.

It would be as retarded as saying
>Kraft singles are made from milk
>Brie is made from milk
>Kraft singles are Brie

>>6392416
>Whine whine

>the term, "American cheese" has a legal definition as a type of pasteurized processed cheese
>In the United States, processed cheese is defined, categorized, and regulated by the Food & Drug Administration under the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations Title 21 (Food and Drugs), Section 133 (Cheeses and Cheese Related Products).[6][7] Pasteurized process cheese can be made from a single cheese (solid, or powdered), or a blend of several cheeses. Cream, milkfat, water, salt, artificial color, oils (for consistency and texture), and spices may also be added. The mixture is heated with an emulsifier, poured into a mold, and allowed to cool.
>The US Food & Drug Administration does not maintain a standard of identity for "'Pasteurized Prepared Cheese Product'", a designation which particularly appears on many Kraft products.

The word "product" is meaningless. Kraft Singles are processed cheese.

I like using them for burgers for convenience.

>>6392433
Actually, product is incredibly meaningful. It's a word they added, because they are not legally allowed to call it cheese.

You're literally the only anon ITT who is arguing your side, and you've got at least 3 anons who have come through to tell you that you're being stupid. You're not even fucking American. Why would I expect you to know what American Cheese really is?

>>6392446
>You're literally the only anon ITT who is arguing your side,

Sometimes it's lonely being the only voice of reason.

>Why would I expect you to know what American Cheese really is?

Are there we go with the pretentious No True Scotsman again.

>>6392433
>The word "product" is meaningless.
Legally it isn't. They have to call it "cheese product" because there isn't enough cheese in it to call it cheese.

Kind of like a wine cooler. You can't call it wine, because it isn't really wine. But it has wine in it. So you call it wine something. "Cooler" sounded better than "product" at the time. But there are plenty of bottles of watered down, flavored wine sold as "wine products" as well.

>>6392433
>The word "product" is meaningless.
da fq u tlkng bout

>>6392452
>>6392449
>Legally it isn't. They have to call it "cheese product" because there isn't enough cheese in it to call it cheese.

They could call it "cheese flurgblarg" and have the same effect. "Product" in that definition has no legal meaning.

>>6392455
ah the autism finally shows up.

>>6392448
>Sometimes it's lonely being the only voice of reason.
>everyone's crazy except me

>Are there we go with the pretentious No True Scotsman again.
I never said it's impossible for you to know real American Cheese. I just said that I shouldn't expect you to know American Cheese any more than I would expect you to know a good monkey brain from a bad one. It's not your culture, so you wouldn't have much of a reason to be exposed to it. That being said, any American who grew up with American Cheese would instantly tell you there is a difference between real American Cheese and Kraft Singles.

They may not know what the difference is, but they know there's a difference. I've come here and shown you what that difference is: Kraft Singles largely use other milk products to supplement the expensive cheese. They then bind it all together with gelatin (note: Kraft Singles are not legally allowed to use the designation "cheese"). American Cheese, on the other hand is a pasteurized blend of cheeses to create a genuinely unique flavor and texture.

Fuck you, europoor.

>>6392455
>"Product" in that definition has no legal meaning.
Sure, they could use anything they want to make it "not cheese." In this case, they use "product," so in THIS case, "product" has a whole hell of a lot of meaning.

>>6392467
>That being said, any American who grew up with American Cheese would instantly tell you there is a difference between real American Cheese and Kraft Singles.

Are the FDA not American now?

>>6392455
What the use of the word "product" indicates here is that it is something made with cheese, but there's not enough cheese in it to call it cheese.

Yes, they could have made up whatever word they wanted. In fact they did. The word was "Singles".

>>6392475
Did you read the FDA code?

Here, I'll make it easy on you:
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfCFR/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPart=133

>Part 133.173 (5)
>The weight of the cheese ingredient prescribed by paragraph (a)(1) of this section constitutes not less than 51 percent of the weight of the finished pasteurized process cheese food.
>not less than 51 percent
It's not cheese, m8

>>6391857
only if you can find the ever rare american cheese that's made the traditional way. murkan cheese started out as a recycling measure, instead of wasting all those bits of random cheese you had left over you'd melt them together into a new block and that was what was to become known as american cheese. the processed and individually wrapped shit isn't even real cheese

>>6391857
Army base stew

>>6392504
>all those bits of random cheese you had left over

i don't understand.

Funny how this devolved into a shitpost thread about how american cheese should be defined.
Can we PLEASE try to stay on fucking topic?

>>6391857
I have never liked this shit. Even as a child I found it disgusting. IMO it has no place anywhere.
I remember being in elementary school and watching some kid take a bunch of slices of american cheese and molding it into a ball and eating it like an apple. That's all I think of when I see the stuff.

>>6392525
It IS on topic. If you don't even KNOW what American Cheese *is*, how do you expect to know what its "time and place" is?

The point is: OP decided to meme and shit all over /ck/ with is "huehue murrican cheese is shite" without even knowing what he's fucking talking about.

>>6392525
>Funny how this devolved
Not really. OP pic is shit tier cheese product. No one is going to seriously be talking about the merits of such a poor product, because aside from "it melts" there really aren't any.

So it makes since that things would devolve into "is that shit really even cheese?" Which kinda answers OP's question.

ITT: Eurocucks BTFO

>>6391866
>it's great for grilled cheese sandwiches
DONT
EVER
DO THAT
EVER!

>>6392608
>Cooked bread and cheese is an ancient food, according to food historians, popular across the world in many cultures; evidence indicates that in the U.S., the modern version of the grilled cheese sandwich originated in the 1920s when inexpensive sliced bread and American cheese became easily available.

>>6392614
It doesn't matter about where it comes from or what people traditionally used.

A grilled cheese is 100% more superior if you use actual cheese.

>>6392617
As has been stated ITT, American Cheese *is* real cheese. Kraft Singles are an abomination.

>>6392617
>A grilled cheese is 100% more superior if you use actual cheese.

That depends. It's certainly great if you use a soft cheese that melts well. But a great number of cheeses don't melt worth a shit, which makes for lousy grilled cheese sandwiches. The texture of the melty cheese is a large part of the experience, and a lot of cheeses just separate into an oily mess at those temps.

>>6392630
Just preference I guess.

I like using cheddar, it doesn't melt great but that's what I like about it.

(I'm staying out of the great Kraft singles as cheese debate, but....)
If you like Kraft Singles, buy the Kraft Deli Deluxe instead, you'll thank me later.

>>6392635
why?

>>6392651
It tastes better, melts just as good, and has a less plasticy appearance and texture.

>>6392659
Good reasons.

But I meant why stay out of the kraft singles as cheese debate?

>>6392617
Not if you're a poorfag. American cheese is way cheap.

I'd rather save my good cheese for other applications.

>>6392651
Because it's actually cheese unlike the singles.

>>6392662
Oh, because it's an endless loop of people who either hate it or love it and it never really goes anywhere. Personally, I don't love it or hate it, I use it occasionally, but I also eat pretty much all cheeses, from Limburger and all the Blues I can get, down to Kraft Deli Deluxe and everything in between. So, I have no dog in this fight.

>people saying american cheese isnt food

what is it then

i can put it in my mouth, chew it, and digest it

it has calories and other nutrients

it is not poisonous

what am i missing here?

>>6391857
I eat them individually for nostalgia. That's about it, I hate their melted texture.

>>6392671
The reason I wonder is because you suggest using the deli delux over the singles. It just so happens the deli delux fits the legal definition of "American Cheese," while the singles do not.

>>6392704
Yeah, that's true, but I really just suggested that because it tastes better and melts the same. Not because of the legal definition.

>>6392718
What I'm saying is: you're benefiting by the definition of cheese here. Kraft Singles aren't cheese. Kraft Deli Delux is cheese. That's why it tastes better. Because it's cheese.

>>6392729
Well, then my suggestion that people switch to the Deli Deluxe should be a no-brainer. I think would be especially benefitting to people who particularly want Kraft (because you know there are people who are just autist/weird enough to only want kraft american cheese).

Its okay in fast food but not on everything else.

cheese bourgoris. I make awesome cheese burgois

Deli bought American cheese is pretty good. But that's sliced from a big block like any other cheese, not sold in individual plastic sleeves.

>>6391857
It melts really well.

>>6392201
>tfw the boars head products all went up at least $3 in my store
at least volpi genoa is still cheap

>>6391857
white bread grilled cheese. thats the only time. Sometimes on a cheap burger.

Only acceptable on burgers and grilled cheese sandwich. Even then you're better off just getting some provolone.

There is nothing redeemable about it.

Worse, everything it touches becomes nearly inedible.

It has the Midas touch of shit.

>>6391894
>American cheese
>on pizza

How did the ghetto find out about 4chan?

>>6391857

Nothing's absolutely Haram, as long as you like it.

I'm okay with it on the odd grilled cheese or burger, but most often prefer real cheese.

Is Provolone real "cheese"? What about Swiss and Munster?

>>6393625
Pork is.

>>6393313
holy shit... that's a major hike

>>6394912
better loop

>>6394912
>>6394947
do americans really do this?

>>6395004
No, but mexicans do

http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/mexico-combatting-worlds-fattest-country-label

>>6395014
Canadian mozzarella master-racist

>>6395021
Gross. What did you do to that cheese?

>>6395028

nothing. how the fuck is it gross.


there's garlic, marble and mozzarella.
I bet you will insult my ribs i made too.....

>>6395028
>Gross.
underage detected

>>6395028
can you explain yourself son? What do you not like? i don't get it

>>6395062

I don't like to speak for other faggots, but I think he's referring to the mixture of cheddar and motz' which is a appalling blasphemy

>>6395044
Of course I will.

Let's start with the pizza:
>preshredded low moisture mozzarella
>large chunks of horribly distributed garlic
>what the fuck is that? colby? jack? on a fucking PIZZA?
>dat nasty red ring of sauce

Now for the ribs:
>swimming in sauce (probably store bought)
>cooked on a fucking sheet tray?
>looks broiled then baked rather than smoked

>>6395058
Are adults not allowed to use this word? Would you rather I used a meme?
>Absolutely Disgusting
There ya go, kiddo

>>6395062
It's not pizza, and it's not pizza cheese.

>>6395070
you are wrong about everything though.

>>6395077
Do tell. Am I wrong that you're using low moisture mozz? Am I wrong that you're using large chunks of horribly (rather than evenly) distributed garlic? Am I wrong that you cooked those ribs on a fucking sheet tray?

>>6395095
Not that guy, but those ribs obviously weren't cooked on the sheet pan, otherwise it would be a lot filthier and be covered in juices. The sheet pan was obviously a transfer device from the grill/smoker/whatever he used to cook them.

>>6395070
you are wrong about everything but the garlic. garlic was a last minute tasty decision. and that worked out fine with me. So go fuck yourself you silly child.

>>6395108
this was obvious. thanks for clarifying for the young ones with us.

>>6395114
Then tell me the benefit of using shredded mozzarella. I've worked in at least 5 high end pizza places in NYC, and none have used shredded mozzarella. The only places that I've seen use it are slice shops.

>>6395120
Im down with you. Too much hate. There's a shadow on you son.

>>6395120
>I've worked in at least 5 high end pizza places in NYC

Well, well, aren't you just the prince of New York? GTFO, scum.

>>6395120


>I've worked in at least 5 high end pizza places in NYC

lel

>>6395021
what is this cheese and why does it look like poo

>>6391857
It goes great in coffee.

>>6395124
done*

>>6395125
No, but it certainly gives me more qualifications than some neckbeard using store brand mozzarella packets.

Anyone with similar qualifications can verify what I'm saying: no self respecting pizzaiolo will use shredded mozzarella.

I made an assumption, because the only pre-shredded mozz I ever see is "low moisture," and no one in their right mind would shred fresh mozzarella.

I remember making unfunny jokes with my sister and call American cheese "bullcheese", how embarrassing.

>>6391894
>All cheeses are cheese
Yes, but some melt, some fry, and some are made from castoff milkfat from making lowfat milk.

Nobody with any respect for themselves and everybody else around them would make anything with this disgusting goo.

>>6395896
what if it's real american cheese?

>>6395134
It's anon denying he used low fat pre-shredded mozzarella on his "pizza" that he rolled out with a fucking rolling pin.

>>6395909
I've not once heard of american cheese not coming presliced in a plastic package from the cheese isle.

>>6395915
>>6395909
Even real american cheese is made from castoff milkfat. Its not real cheese.

>>6395896
Sometimes rarely I make grilled cheeses with them but any more than one or maybe two make me feel subhuman

>>6395922
I love how America has the absolute most artificial and cheap cheese named after it. It's just sad.

>>6395914
>rolled out with a fucking rolling pin.
top faggit move

>>6395915
>>6395922
Have neither of you read this thread? It's not particularly long.
>>6392351
>>6392449
>>6392487

>>6395928

What will really blow your mind is that it was invented by a Swiss, Walter Gerber.

>>6395930
Seriously, anyone who can't hand stretch pizza dough might as well be the same idiot who clutches his chef knife with a death grip and uses a cutting board with his paring knife.

>>6391894
>all cheeses are cheese

No they're not. You're a nigger that can't fucking cook, has no sense of taste or built an immunity to the poison you serve.

I've seen one of my mom's boyfriends do that shit growing up and my sister's babydaddy do that shit and both were fucking shit in the kitchen. SHIIIIIIIIT!

>>6396045
I think you're taking what he's saying out of context. He's saying that all cheese has its appropriate applications.

Do I agree with his application of American Cheese to pizza and soup? Hell-fucking-no. Do I agree with the sentiment? Sure.

i like it on sandwiches sometimes. i work at a deli and get asked all the time for american cheese which we unfortunately don't carry. maybe someday. so people do like it, /ck/ is just autistic. i don't care for those plastic wrap kraft singles but a proper deli sliced american cheese is like no other. if you don't have a deli Kraft sells "deluxe" american slices which are good enough, its the right idea.

>>6391857
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpUMYQe6uHY

>>6391857
I just bought one of those huge boxes of Kraft singles about 30 minutes ago. I like them on grilled cheese, hamburgers and some sandwiches.

I also enjoy some of the finest cheeses. I have an immensely diverse palate. I feel sorry for those with narrowed taste.

>>6391857
It does if it's Land-o-Lakes sharp American. I don't know how they've done it, but they've made American cheese have actual flavor and texture. It's fucking amazing.

>>6396119
They do have a use (I use Lucerene, not Kraft. Kraft is too salty) for greasy spoon food and certain sandwiches. I don't even mind if some like to use it on a potato or their eggs.

Anything beyond that, we'll have to fight about it.

>>6395120
>implying slice shops are not good.

please /ck/ get off this high horse with pizza. everyone can like something different. There is not a damn thing wrong with motz of pizza

>>6397965
Some slice shops are incredibly. The average slice shop is not good. To claim a significant amount are would be like claiming "McDonalds is actually just as good as Five Napkin if you give it a chance! Everyone likes what they like."

It's simply not true. The typical slice shop will cut plenty of corners: they will keep their ovens relatively cool (comparatively), they may use pre-stretched dough, they almost always use pre-made dough (I've personally only experienced 3 that make their own), they almost always use cheap sauce that's cut with water and sugar, they nearly exclusively use low moisture mozzarella (as opposed to fresh), they typically trend toward a cheese blend cut with cheaper cheeses to lower the cost of mozz, they pay the cooks minimum wage to keep their margins high enough to operate... should I go on?

You *will* not get a comparable experience out of a $2.50 slice of New London style pizza as you will out of a $18 11" woodfire margherita.

>>6395120
If you bring up real pizza the fatties from the Midwest and South are going to jump all over you because anything that doesn't resemble Pizza Hut or frozen pizza (without at least three toppings on it, preferably all meat) makes them feel uncomfortable. So does the idea of Italian food from Italy, and cheese that can't be bought wrapped in plastic in a supermarket and any restaurant that isn't a chain.

You can't win this one. Better sensibilities cannot prevail when it comes pizza in the landlocked parts of the country. They think you're silly for not putting cheese or extra flavor in the fucking crust, which then is ideally dipped in ranch dressing.

>>6398036
Makes sense.

I have inlaws in WI, and made a pepperoni pizza for them (from scratch) per their request. They "liked it okay," but wanted "more cheese." I explained that adding more cheese would cause the fat from the pepperoni to mix with the moisture from the cheese and sauce to make a sort of soup in the center of the pie, to which they responded, "that's the good part."

>>6398060
that really is the good part tho brah

>>6391857
On Burgers, or with bacon and cheese on a bagel.

>>6398060
Don't deny cheese from Wisconsin residents. You're taking your life into your own hands otherwise.

>>6398021
>slice shop
is this a common vernacular?
New York?

i really REALLY hate yellow cheeses.

but the local dollar store sells a version of this with jalapenos in it, and that tastes awesome in grilled cheese with tomato and roasted red bell pepper soup. just add some sriracha to the soup.

>>6398060
The Midwest and the South are where the big industries are food processing. Lobbies for this industry have huge sway over the regional politics, and the landscape is dotted with chain restaurants and supermarkets selling pretty much only products from BigAgra.

For many residents their first taste of pizza was Pizza Hut. That's their standard. Pizza is supposed to be greasy there, preferably with extra (low quality) cheese and lots of bread to "fill you up".

They had no Italian-Americans to suggest otherwise, and plenty of cheap cheese and processed meat products with which to create a pizza version of a fatty's wet dream. And they're still working on it, adding chicken and BBQ sauce to the equation, in addition to ranch dressing.

Finer sensibilities cannot win against this mentality. I know. I have in-laws in WI and MN. You should see what happens when they set out to make spaghetti (hint: it involves Ragu sauce from a jar and a green can of "cheese").

>>6398082
I've never heard it and I've lived in major metropolitan areas in five states.

>>6398081
Wanna know something ironic? They use margarine almost exclusively.

Topkek

>>6398082
Lived in NYC and Boston.

Pretty common phrasing for both, especially among cooks (my primary peer/social group)

>>6398119
>Pretty common phrasing
I've always said "slice joint". "Shop" sounds more New England.

>>6398096
>You should see what happens when they set out to make spaghetti
Precisely why I don't let my wife cook. I'm slowly letting her take over certain nights for dinner (when I'm extra tired or working late), and only dishes that I've personally overseen for her several times.

Sounds controlling and autistic, but it's more that she'll revert back to her upbringing and dump bbq sauce in tomato soup for some reason.

>>6398130
Possibly-- Boston is where I'm from. NY is where I learned to cook. A lot of slang words around the country (like "joint") don't catch on here, and vice versa.

>>6391857
It's made out of wood
It can live for over a hundred years

>>6398138
And my family is all NYC and Philly, so "slice joint" was common when referring to a corner place, "pizza place" when talking about a pie joint.
>>6398133
>she'll revert back to her upbringing and dump bbq sauce in tomato soup for some reason.
That's so fucking true. My brother in law is a pretty good cook, and he travels lots for business. They guy knows good food. He'll hit the specialty shop for pancetta for when he makes bucatini. But when it's time to make "his" spaghetti he reverts straight to the Ragu sauce, the green can cheese, canned olives and all kinds of other bullshit products, even though you'd think he'd know better.

I asked him why once. His response was "tradition". It's what he grew up with. Same reason some folks can't make a grilled cheese without white bread and yellow American cheese (preferably made by Kraft).

A taste for shitty things, positively reinforced in childhood is hard to outgrow. Look at a generation of young adults still eating chicken nuggets.

>>6398209
>Look at a generation of young adults still eating chicken nuggets.
I fear I may fall into this category... unless, of course, you mean the frozen chicken nuggets by ore ida. That's disgusting. I do, however, find myself craving fried chicken tenders every once in a while, and will separate the tender from a breast (often 3 or 4), bread it,t and fry it at home. Even though that only happens once every couple of months, the cravings tend to last a couple of days, and I find myself eating fried chicken for 2 or 3 days.

>>6398244
Fried chicken is delicious. There's nothing wrong with wanting some. Same goes for white bread, cheddar cheese, pizza or whatever. Part of the reason bland, cheap, degraded versions of these foods are popular is because these foods are so good that even shitty versions of them taste great to people who have never had good examples of them.

And that's fine. You can only base your judgment about what's delicious on your experience. And if your experience is limited to the supermarket and chain restaurants that's all you know.

Where you lose me is when you know better but choose things like wonder bread, Kraft singles or chicken nuggets. I get it if you're a stressed out parent with a fussy child in the house. But as nostalgia for the days when you had shitty taste as a kid? I don't get that.

>>6398307
Yeah, no one should eat those things... especially a stressed out parent with a fussy child.

>>6398329
"Should" is hard to define. For many Americans degraded bland processed foods are the norm. Sliced American cheese is a default on sandwiches for many people in this country. Plenty of adults eat shit like frozen pizza and fast food themselves, so they see nothing wrong with feeding it to their children. Those who prefer something better but have to deal with the gigantic pain in the ass that having a fussy child can be can cave in pretty quickly.

Like I said, it's a matter of experience. If you don't know any better I'm sure Kraft singles are wonderful. If you do, yet you're still eating them I have to say I don't get it.

There's a German dish from the 50s called Toast Hawaii, it's bacon on buttered toast with an slice of pineapple on top, covered with a slice of murricheese and then baked. Other than that, I have no use for it.

>>6398119
Cook here, other side of the country
I wonder if it is a cook thing, too. Most of the guys I know will say things like "go get a slice" and we all know what is meant. We always refer to the intended destination by name, though.

I only use fat-free Kraft singles

>>6392617
nope
greasy kraft and wonderbread abominations purchased at a diner are the best grilled cheese in the universe

no matter what hipster shit you slap together you cannot beat real grilled cheese.

>>6391857
cheap burgers (use actual cheese whenever the meat you are using costs more than 2.50 a pound)

grilled cheese
egg sandwiches
cheap club sandwiches

>>6392223
we also call young cheddars american cheese.

also processed cheese range in actual cheese content, and the specific name on the product will tell you how much exactly. you can have processed cheese that is 100% actual real cheese

By definition, if it's called "Pasteurized process cheese" then it is at least 51% real cheese (Often a blend of Colby, Cheddar, and some others) with the rest being other dairy products, spices, or preservatives.
If it's "Pasteurized process cheese product", then it is less than 51% real cheese and can't legally be called "cheese" without adding "product" immediately after it.

You could always just use those whey cheese product slices instead of American Cheese and produce similar melty creaminess effects with a slightly better processed product.