/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>6230590
It's subjective. I really like Elijah Craig. Really anything they put out that I've tried has been great and pretty reasonably priced.

>>6230598
yeah heaven hill makes some of the best priced, consistent and characteristically bourbon-y bourbons out there. and they're not owned by one of the big three conglomerates

>>6230615
I can't get Heaven Hill in my area anymore :^(

>>6230615
Whoops. >>6230621 here. I didn't realize Heaven Hill oversaw Elijah Craig production. Weird. Never really looked into it.

>>6230615
What's the bourboniest of all the bourbons?

>>6230628
Old Grandad 114

>>6230590
Define "best".

I would vote for Evan Williams 1783. I can buy a half gallon for about $25 after tax. It's the highest-rated product at that price point. You can argue reviews don't mean anything, but have a taste and see if you agree with what people have to say. If you do, then maybe their words have some merit. Then you can see what other bourbons they like and try those.

In the beer world there are "session beers", and I think this is a good equivalent. I think something I would be comfortable drinking often qualifies for "best".

>>6230628
fukkin Grandad.

I've never actually tried American whiskey except for Jack Daniels a couple of years back (hated it then, dunno if I might like it now) and Bulleit Bourbon in a Lynchburg lemonade a couple of weeks back (specifically asked the bartender to not give me JD, and it turned out great). I can get both Bulleit Bourbon and Rye for a decent price where I live, should I go for one of them?

>>6230713
well yeah Jack is terrible.

How's woodford Reserve?

>>6230590

Old Crow

>>6230590
Knob Creek

>>6230590
Makers Mark
Knob Creek
Jim Beam
Bookers
George Dickle

>>6231188
>Maker's Mark
Mmmm.
>Jim Beam
What.

rock n rye slow n low

>>6230615
>yfw the Heaven Hill brand is owned by Evan Williams

>>6231221
Buffalo Trace never gets any love. Never seen it mentioned in /ck/.

Also, how's Jefferson Reserve? I gifted it to a friend.

>>6231221
>yfw when it's the opposite.

>>6230631
Had some Evan 1783, and hated the fuck out of it.
It tasted weird and unbalanced, like it had a hole in it, and didn't mix very well with anything. I left that bottle at my uncle's hunting camp two years ago. It's a place where a good bottle will evaporate in a weekend.
That bottle is still there, and still half-full.

>>6231253
We don't care if you're gay, but this isn't tumblr. If you want to come out, then go there.

I'm drinking some angels envy right now that i think is pretty tasty

>>6231270
>if anyone doesn't like what I like, they must be gay
Projecting much?

>>6230742
Expensive. Good, but expensive.
You can get just as good for less money.

>>6230590
doesn't matter, jap whisky is better.

>>6231326
>jap "whisky"
Pig disgusting filth. The absolute worst of all whiskeys. Even Irish is better.

Japanese plum wine? Sake? Delicious. Japanese whiskey or beer? God Fucking Awful.

>>6231336
>muh lafroog

When you grow up you might learn to appreciate nuance. Speyside = god tier. Japanese = god tier. Islay = shit tier for children who are easily impressed

>>6231336
I don't want to make assumptions, but I honestly think this is probably a mental thing.

I bet you would enjoy Jap whiskey in a blind taste test. And Japanese beer is really inoffensive, light, crisp, great with spicy food.

canadian is better

>>6231246

Buffalo Trace is great for the price, but I sometimes have trouble finding it in local stores. Jefferson Reserve is very nice as well. I'm sure your friend enjoyed it.

>2015
>Still looking for american options for whiskey

>>6231336
git rekt
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/11204872/Scotland-loses-out-as-Japanese-whisky-named-best-in-the-world.html

>>6231341
You were right up to the point about Islay = shit
you obviously don't know anything at all.

>>6231336
you're an idiot.

>>6231221
switch that around, idiot

>>6230615
to an extent, yes, you are correct, they make some really high quality bourbons and one pretty darn good rye.


Best whiskey from America?
Most would say Pappy but I am not a huge fan of wheaters, I am more of a rye-guy. Give me Buffalo Trace Mash Bill #2 or some Willet.

>>6231341
If you'd ever had anything beyond an entry-level Islay you'd know that those whiskies can be "nuanced" too. The young ones are the big smoke bombs.

>>6231410
>much lagavulin
Smoke is a gimmick, deal with it

>>6231416
a gimmick? how old are you? you know this is beyond your age right? to think of peaty, smokey islays as a "gimmick" or something that will pass is outrageously stupid.

For dirt cheap but tasty George Fickle. The rye is slightly better then the sour mash.
For moderately priced Bulleit.
For something a bit higher priced but pretty damn good from a newer company High West's rye or bourye.

>>6231431
God dammed phone George Dickle not fickle

Whats a good top shelf american whiskey around the $85-100 range?

Never tried american top shelf before.

>>6231431
>Going anywhere near George Dickel rye

It's George Dickel in name only, and not all that good.

>>6231440
orphan barrel barterhouse

>>6231443
this is true, it's just LDI/MGP rye

>>6231341
What kills me is Laphroaig and Lagavulin reducing their peat to cater for vanillafags like you.

Don't like Islays? Fine. Just don't criticise people that do.

>>6231447
The only thing Dickel actually does is charcoal filter it, which doesn't go all that well with the rye character.

>>6231416
>A thousand years of malting barley over peat fires
>Smoke becomes the defining characteristic of Scotch
>"Smoke is a gimmick"

There is truly nothing that can be done to save the millennials.

>>6231452
>Laphroaig and Lagavulin reducing their peat

things_that_never_happened.tif

yum

Eagle Rare (10yrs)

>>6231458
There's a reason everyone stopped smoking their barley over peat after the industrial revolution.

>>6231463
Was it because they'd grown tired of smoke?
Better let Diageo know that Johnnie Walker double black is about to bomb out of the market.

Peatsmoke, malt and and wood are what defines a scotch whiskey. Remove any of them and you've got just a plain whisky.

>>6231459
>Generally speaking, Laphroaig peats its malt to 35ppm. Officially, that’s the same as Caol Ila and Lagavulin. However, long term Lagavulin fans would be aware that Lagavulin used to peat much higher than this – for a good stretch back in the late 20th century, it was typically around 50ppm. The decision to reduce the peating level back to 35ppm was made in the mid 1990’s, and so over the last 5 years or so (as the casks containing lower peated spirit have reached 16 years old), the vattings for each release have been carefully blended to manage the transition, so that Lagavulin fans don’t wake up one day and notice a sudden change! What I’m saying, however, is that if you can compare a Lagavulin purchased today with one that was available on the shelves, say, 6 or 7 years ago, you should notice a difference.

Go fuck yourself, kid.

Obviously the only answer

eagle rare

I'm honestly surprised that anyone else has mentioned George Dickel. Usually it seems like I'm the only person who has heard of it.

>>6230630
>>6230677
This is correct for bourbon.

Everything else has been bastardized by Beam.

>>6230590

I'm surprised no-one has posted the best yet.

All these posts and this nigga's the only one that mentioned rye:
>>6231431

My money's on pic related. Best fucking rye I've ever had.

Willett is a close second, although it's not really worth the money anymore.

Knob Creek rye is the only one really worth a damn unless you spend upwards for $40 on a bottle.

Old Overholt is the best rye until you get to Knob Creek.

I keep buying Bulleit and being consistently more disappointed each time. It's really just a rye flavored bourbon. It has the spiciness of a rye, but none of the nuance and bite one ought to expect from a decent rye.

>>6231573
Just realized that the photo was of the Col. E.H. Taylor bourbon and not the rye. Both are good, but rye is better in my book.

>>6231573

>>6231567
>>6231567

Because most people are fucking retarded.

Is Angel's Envy worth the fuss? My brother married into a family in Kentucky and they wouldn't shut the fuck up about how good AE was and the fuckers didn't have a bottle open so I never tried it.

>>6231567
Oh I'm sorry I didn't think pretty bottle, widely available, and grossly over priced qualified a bourbon as "good"

>>6231246
Buffalo Trace is my go to budget bourbon. If you can find it check out WL Weller. It's a little cheaper but similar in character.

I have a bottle of Jefferson's Reserve and like it, probably more than Blanton's. Have you tried any of their other bourbons?

Evan Williams single barrel

>>6231422
39, and while I was drunk when I posted that, I still stand by my opinion that speyside and japanese whiskies are more interesting than islay once you get over >muh smoke

>>6231452
>muh vanilla

just as bad, any single flavor jumping out = shit tier, some day you'll learn

>>6231325
What's just as good for less money? I don't drink a ton of bourbon, but Woodford Reserve is my favorite when I do. Finding something just as good for less money would be nice though.

>>6232158
I don't know about the prices in your area and I'm not the guy who said "expensive but good" (I just don't think it's very good), but I'd rather a lot of bourbons than woodford

Four roses is a good one

Is there a whiskey for something that likes fruity drinks?

I've heard good things about Woodstone Creek, but I've never seen it in stores.

Pic is the best one I've had the chance to taste so far.

>>6232148
Please stop posting you literal mongoloid.

Let's take a look at an entry level Islay, say Ardbeg 10. I get peat, some sweet almost barbecue or English blend pipe tobacco on the nose with some vanilla in the background, the palate is the that same sweet sweet smoke and peat, with some lime and vanilla - holding it in your mouth you start to get some pepper and some anise, and the finish is more smoky peat.

Doesn't sound one dimensional to me, and that is just the standard 10 year offering. People have different tastes shitlord. And if we are talking about standard, entry level releases, then pretty scotch from pretty much everywhere else is more interesting then Speyside - Islay, Highlands, Cambletown, the Islands - don't know about the Lowlands because I admittedly haven't had any.

And if we move away from the standard, entry level bottles then pretty much every distillery has at least one if not more great single malts. Fucking saying "X Region is the best!!!11!!!! EVery other region is shit and you are shit if you like it!!!!1!!" just makes you a stupid piece of shit.

>>6232220
>entry level
>entry level
>leet speak
>I've never had lowland
>all things are equally good and having preferences makes you stupid

You seem really keen on proving that I'm wrong even when you have to contradict yourself to do so.

I'm sorry that I insulted your vagavulin. Nothing quite like the wrath of an islay fag. I bet you like blue rare steak.

>>6232220

> Ardbeg 10
> entry

I'm not saying it's the best either but its price point alone doesn't really lend itself to "entry level".

>>6232232

The fuck do you even have against smoke that you spend so much time arguing against it

>>6232379

Smoke is fine, it's just a flavor. It's just that smoke is usually one of the first things that people latch onto when they first start exploring liquor that isn't sailor jerry, and they usually go overboard and can't shut the fuck up about it.

Sherry cask is another one that people get overexcited about.

Then you can just look at stuff like Bowmore Sith Lord Darkest to see where these things get taken to their logical conclusion and everything goes terribly, terribly wrong.

Single notes are like the IT department. When they're doing their job right, they don't make a spectacle of themselves. When they do, it's because they're not doing their job right.

In conclusion, get it out of your system in your 20s, then drink Japanese.

>>6232500
>In conclusion, get it out of your system in your 20s, then drink Japanese.

You seem to be implying that all scotch is one-dimensional smoke-water, which is quite false. Scotch whisky and Japanese whisky and all other sorts of whisky can be very good and complex. Find and drink what's good regardless of region. Though it's funny you mention Bowmore, because Bowmore Legend stands out to me as being extremely one dimensional. Kind of sweet, lots of peat smoke, and nothing else. Seems like what you might want to drink after being too drunk to be able to appreciate something more detailed.

>>6232220
>pretty much everywhere else is more interesting then Speyside

There are a lot of semi-boring Speysides but a lot of good ones. Glenfarclas is one of my favorites.

>>6232379
>I'm not saying it's the best either but its price point alone doesn't really lend itself to "entry level".

Ardbeg 10 is priced pretty average for a 10 year old, at least in my region, and 10 year old tends to qualify for "entry level". Not that I think that makes it inferior, because in general I don't think that the exponential increase in scotch price that come with increased age at all corresponds to the quality of the product in most cases.

>>6232584
>you seem to be implying that all scotch is one-dimensional smoke-water

That's the conclusion you drew, erroneously, through no fault of my own.

Also Bowmore Legend isn't Bowmore Darkest.

>>6231447
More people need to know about MGP. Templeton, Bulleit, Redemption, even fucking Whistlepig is all the same distillate and most likely aged in the same building

For best American whiskey I would have to say Four Roses
Elijah Craig
for Bourbon

Sazerac
For Rye
and
Lost Spirits
for Scotch Style

>>6232601
So I get what your saying that the juice all comes from MGP/LDI, but a lot of these places do have there own ageing warehouses and they do have there own distiller staff controls not just the mash bill, but also where the grains are sourced.

Now some of it is bullshit tier, but a lot of it is really good stuff. Like High West Distillery and Bulleit use Four Roses for there bourbon juice which is cool.

Kentuckian here.

Maker's Mark is shit yankees buy when they think they're getting good shit but they're actually just getting shit.

>>6232934
calm you nips, son

>>6232895

>High West

Tried their double rye?

Michter's, Willet, Whistle Pig

Bourbon can be great, but I find rye to have some more character, especially at cask strength.

>>6232592

>That's the conclusion you drew, erroneously, through no fault of my own.

I disagree, your writing is poor.

>Also Bowmore Legend isn't Bowmore Darkest.

I know, I mentioned it as an unrelated thing you made me recall.

>>6231309
No, pretty accurate, actually.

>>6233175

Absolutely nothing in that post suggested that all scotch is either one dimensional or "smoke water"

Your reading skills need improvement

Old crow. Not kidding. Fight me.

>>6233161
That High West Rye is fucking god tier. Willet is slammin as fuck too.

>>6233652
Not the Rye., The bourbon.

>>6233161
No only there Campfire Rendezvous and Bourye
Love the Campfire.

>>6232934

Get it if you can find it.

>>6230590
why is it called 46 when it clearly says it has 47% abv

>>6233814
46 refers to the number of chromosomes in a human cell. It's a sly reference to the fact that some guy spit in your whiskey.

>>6230590
>that faggot in the reflection
is that you, op?

>>6233831
Enhance!

Jesus fuck, whiskey in NY is fucking expensive. $50 for a 1L bottle of Knob Creek 9 and $60 for a bottle of Laphroaig 10.

These damn well better taste decent because this was all of my alcohol money for the next month or more.

>>6232148
>>6232232
>>6232500

try fucking octomore you shit fuck
or are you too poor to afford it?
that's good >muh smoke scotch that blows everything out of the water

>>6231460
shit is like rubbing alcohol.

>get a bottle of bowmore 12 years for christmas
>get around to opening it
>smells like medicine
>tastes like medicine
>"smoky"

This shit is just outright disgusting. What the fuck do I do with this bottle?

>>6234556
you fell for the trick that whiskey is actually good.

>>6234567

So what? pour it down the drain?

>>6234579
mix it with something, idk.

>>6234584

So what can i mix this with that will make the smoke go away?

>>6234600
It's kinda hard to make it go away, but try buying some Drambuie. 50/50 Bowmore/Drambuie. A good cold weather drink.

This will always be my go to bottle

>>6234613
>A good cold weather drink

speaking of which, anybody got some recommendations besides hot chocolate? Its going to be -40c here tomorrow.

>>6234556
Sip on a little over the next 12 months. By the time the bottle's gone, you'll have acclimated yourself to the taste.

Well since the scotchfags already ruined the thread, I'll post my favorite non-American whiskey.

>>6233337

I disagree, you need to work on making your writing more precise.

>>6234626
Canada? I like hot cider with some cinnamon and nutmeg, maybe with some brandy or rum. I heard hot toddies were good too, but I never got to try one.

>>6234556
Might make a good regift.

>>6234628
If anyone ruined the thread it was the antagonistic anti-scotchfags getting riled up about opinions.

>>6234633
Yah, Canada. Not even the north either, just Toronto.

>>6234628

I find that Canadian whisky seems to hit a good balance of quality and price. Not anywhere near the best whisky by a long shot, but by far the best at the $25 price point.

>>6234626
>>6234642
>Its going to be -40c here tomorrow.

No. The lowest tomorrow NIGHT will be -23. Who the fuck told you it was going down to -40?

>>6234679

Wind chill

>>6234650
The regular Pendleton is a pretty good value whiskey, but 1910 is a little more top-shelf.

>>6234690
>Wind chill

Is not temperature. And will you be standing in the wind while you drink?

No.

>>6231565
>Old Overholt
meh, I much prefer Bulleit for my rye.

For bourbon, I can get a fifth of Woodford Reserve for $23 here, so I go with that or OGD 114 if I can find it.

>>6234529
I love Octomore, ever tried Ardbeg Supernova?
I also have a bottle of Lost Spirits Leviathan II
which is peated at 110ppm which is amazing too.

>>6234636
>open bottle of liquor
>regift

I'm a fan of Weller 12, but I've had to do a bit of scrounging to find it lately (Central KY). Eagle Rare is also excellent. At a much lower price point I'm also fond of Buffalo Trace and Four Roses small.

>>6235010
>Old Weller

Mah nigga. Better than OGD at about the same price. Bottle is fucking weird shaped though, hard to grab onto when you're drunk.

>>6233795

>big bottom

My nig, BB 91 is the best oregon whiskey I've tried yet

>>6233820
>spit

Anybody try Four Roses single barrel before?

Never tried bourbon before, would this be a good intro?

Living in Louisville, I have a ridiculously large amounts of bourbon to choose from, but I consistently go for Very Old Barton. It's such a well-balanced bourbon for its price.

Yes, there are objectively better ones, but those are usually several times more expensive than VOB. This is a great bourbon for the everyman.

I'm kind of a whisky nub, does the proof affect the final taste in any way? Does lower alcohol per volume imply a diluted product?

>>6235697
Different aging and distilling methods can affect the proof of a liquor, so it isn't necessarily a sign of diluting.

As for taste, generally the stronger the proof, the more noticeable the alcohol taste. This can be mitigated by aging methods to mild/balance the flavor, but only to a certain proof. Eventually, the alcohol is gonna trump everything else, but this usually doesn't happen until about 50% alc. (100 proof)

>>6235697

'proof' is just the ethanol% on an archaic scale that holds no meaning these days.

the ethanol% decreases over time, so older bottles cannot be diluted as much, and thus yield less bottles per cask. Add in evaporation as well, and thats why top shelf is so expensive. Eventually, the whisky will age to the point where the whisky absorbs enough favour from the cask to become "smooth"; where you almost cannot taste the ethanol anymore, any everything that comes out is pure flavour. THIS is what makes top shelf so good.

Everything is pretty much cut to 40~60% before bottling.

>>6234639
>the only true scotch is from lafroog
The ones who ruined the thread are the ones who lost their marbles over people liking longmorn and yoichi which are not manly enough for low test betas to safely enjoy

>>6235783
>the only true scotch is from lafroog

Did I say that? Did anyone in this thread say that? Is this even frequently said around here at all, or is it a strawman trotted out by people who want something to bitch about?

It's true that people talk about Islay often, but nobody goes all "muh lafroog" outside of a small set of circumstances where they're clearly being ironic. But there's little irony in it in the first place because this isn't something commonly said in earnest as it is.

Also as far as I can see neither Longmorn nor Yoichi have even been mentioned in this thread. I'm guessing you skimmed it at best and then decided to make a post containing the word "lafroog" because you wanted to shitpost.

Yes I'm mad, because whiskey threads might be nice if they weren't always blown up into shitfests over nothing.

So I got a bottle of Knob Creek bourbon, and it is the most "oak" tasting thing I have ever drank. It is borderline ridiculous. Smells like oak, tastes like oak, finishes with oak. It isn't overbearing and there are other tastes too but still.

>>6235664
Well Four Roses has won distillery of the year the last 4 out of 5 years in the US. But honestly If you interested in understanding a little more about alcohol and not just drinking always start at the bottom of the range and work you way up.

This also helps save you money if you dont like a distilleries products.
And if the bottom of a Distillers range is shit the top is probably just overpriced.

But Ya i love Four Roses Yellow Label, and the Small batch as well as the Single Barrel.

>>6235906
Trace the discussion back, and you'll see you're the skimmer. I've probably posted at least 15 times ITT so far.

>>6234650
Alberta Premium is my go to cheap whisky. Don't know how widely available it is outside the country though

>>6235697
Yes. It is basically a sign of quality, if it is barreled above 40%. Obviously there are exceptions. I also disagree >>6235720
Most of the best tasting whisky will be high proof. Because especially in America single barrel and Cask strength bottling are the high end.

If your paying close to a hundred or more 45% should be the minimum most of mine at that price are 50%+. This is less true for Scotch I would say for it 200 dollars plus.

>>6236071
I've followed the thread, I haven't seen any mention of those whiskies and my ctrl + f isn't detecting them. I think you're lying, but feel free to prove me wrong. And even if you've mentioned them in some way that somehow I've failed to detect that is separate from the fact that you're a "lafroog"-strawman posting shitposter who makes knee-jerk meme-posts to people who disagree with you.

Wild Turkey 101 is probably my favorite bourbon. The only time I drink Jack is if I want to get drunk.

>>6230628
Old crow

>>6236484
>sipping on 101 proof whiskey
>getting drunk on 80 proof whiskey

>>6236507
Let me rephrase. I get drunk on WT101, but when I just want to get trashed with some friends it's JD.
Jack is the lowest quality whiskey out there so you can drink it guilt free.

>>6236528
>getting drunk on crap whiskey
>thinking it doesn't get any worse than JD

>>6235010
I tried Eagle Rare a few weeks ago and thought it was totally mediocre. not all worth the price

>>6236542
It is like $35. Not expensive or anything. I have never even bought a bottle under $25. And I loved it personally, my friends did too. A hell of a lot more then Buffalo Trace.

>>6236539
Sorry if I am misinterpreting your epic greentexting but are you calling WT101 a crap whiskey?

>>6236370
Scroll back to the argument about Japanese and Speyside styles being shit garbage and balance whisky = vanilla bombs.

>well memed friend tips federa

Welcome to the shitpost capital of the internet

>>6236581
Are you actually delusional? Some guy came in shitting on everything that wasn't Speyside or Japanese. Nobody mentioned Laphroaig or Islay being better or anything like that.

I agree that /ck/ is a horrible awful place full of shitposting, but it is the fault of the delusional contrarian fuckers who vehemently oppose the imagined boogeymen of, lets say Islay scotch or IPAs and the nonexistent obsessive fans of these things who are allegedly shitting up the discussions.

>>6231336
The first post that made me join this thread was this one. Smokefags confirmed for starting shit and then getting butt blasted at the inevitable outcome
>implying I'm going to scroll all the way the fuck back down there to quote your post properly

>>6231452
>Lagavulin reducing peat

LIES! LIES AND SLANDER!

>>6231341
Awww, look at the little kitty. He doesn't like Islay scotch. Next we'll tell me that Lowland is better then Highland...

Only manbabies drink Jura or Speyside because it's sweet. If you like Jura or Speyside, get bourbon for gods sake and save on the import!

>>6234556
The 12 is pretty much worthless in every way, but the sith lord darkest makes an outstanding base for cocktails. Not for drinking though, it's a two note gimmick.

>>6236634
I like some Islays, I just don't lose my composure over it like a tween girl tasting nutella for the first time. It's a recognizable flavor, wow.

>sweet

Confirmed for babby palate that latches on to sherry cask trash

>>6236649
What? That I think Jura and Speyside are sweet? Those two regions produce soda pop compared to my glorious Islay.

And really, if I want fucking sodapop whiskey, I'll drink bourbon. Scotch needs to have BITE!

To keep on topic, people have said that Elijah Craig is pretty good whiskey and I agree. I am looking for a good rye, though.

http://www.abc.virginia.gov/Pricelist/STRAIGHT_RYE_WHISKEY.html Any of them on this list any good?

I want the scotchfags to leave. Go shit up your own thread.

>>6236662
No, that you only think bourbon and sherry cask whiskies are made outside of lafroogistan. Because you gravitate to unbalanced, obvious flavors.

>>6231460
so what DO the DTs feel like?

>>6232934
You say this like it's profound.
It isn't.
This has been common knowledge for decades.

>tfw when mythical $30 local craft bourbon actually exists and is pretty damned good

this is my answer forever

>>6236662
Michter's Rye and Lot 40 are the best of that bunch. And for the price I'd get a few bottles of Lot 40. It's $60 in SC

>>6239593
>drinking whiskey from a wimpy wine glass

>>6239624
>wimpy wine glass
>not recognizing a nosing glass (albeit not a proper copita, pic related)
SHOTSHOTSHOTS or Rocksfag detected

>>6239727
>Not using a glencairn

>>6239755
I own a few Glencairns because they're near-impossible to break and thus great for hosting, but because of that...

>fucktarded ergonomics that forces your fingerprints to smear all over the bulb which impedes judging color while warming the pour too quickly

They're durable for festival/public tasting/barroom use, but in every other aspect, stemmed nosing glasses like the Copita and the Bugatti glass are better, especially when master distillers themselves use them for tasting and examination.