/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Dunno, it's gone up in price a lot in the last few years, as has seafood.

you probably shouldn't be eating so much meat anyways

fuck that, it's like $3 a lb for me but i just shop at the closest place to my apt (walmart lel). that's why i buy chicken thighs for 99 cents a pound

>>6183179
just buy the pack of pre-made patties

>>6183211
those come in packs of 10 and it's still $1 per 4 oz. which is almost the same price

Buy at cheap mexican demographic type groceries like fiesta or even a mexican meat market. Shits at least 2 or 3 dollars cheaper or you can get better discounts of other meats that help balance out your spending. I personally only by ground beef for meat sauces and pasta and opt to make homemade fried chicken sandwiches for my burger fix. Or I eat whataburger and leave it to the semi professionals.

>>6183223
do you have any recipes for emulating a Spicy McChicken

>>6183191
>you probably shouldn't be eating so much meat anyways
Confirmed dyel skelly

>>6183229
http://chasingsupermom.com/2012/08/copy-cat-fast-food-spicy-chicken-sandwich/
ignore the stupid website name the recipe is good though

>>6183179
Because raising cows is expensive and getting even more costly

>>6183242
then how do you explain america's obesity epidemic

>>6183229
My favorite thing though is making a knock off of whatburgers honey bbq chicken strip sandwich.
I make panko breaded strips for easy crunchiness.
whatever honey bbq sauce I have atm
monterrey jack cheese and some texas toast that I toast with fresh butter so goddamn good

>>6183243
Intake of ridiculous amounts of carbs. Beef is not inherently fattening since proteins are very sating. Cheap sources of carbs like HFCS are a much bigger culprit

>>6183243
Because they don't always eat real cow beef. Most of the time they eat filler parts smashed together and called "beef" and it takes longer for our body to digest the artificially foreign shit we just forced it to break down Same with most chicken in usa.

>>6183243

uh yeah because ground beef is why everyone is fat.........

>>6183179

a Mcdicks patty is 2oz uncooked(1.8oz cooked) and a Mcdouble is $1.19 so yeah you right, nyucka

i bought ground veal the other day for like 3 bucks less a pound
then i made delicious veal burgers

>>6183179

>buying meat in a tube

Come on anon. It's not even meat that's SUPPOSED to be in a tube.

>>6183251
>>6183253
>>6183261
fuck you guys that was a failed joke equating americans to cows

>>6183179
3 years of widespread drought has made cattle more expensive.

>Used to work at a Krogers
>One day going through the frozen isle I see preseasoned packages of ground beef
>$1 a pound
>Set almost 20 of them in the freezer in the back
>Buy them after my shift
Those things are fucking delicious for a $1. I still have one or two left

>>6183179
1. McDonalds burgers are not juicy.
2. Beef has gone up in price because of drought conditions for the past few years in a lot of the beef raising states
3. Grain prices have also gone up.

I love that supermarkets sell 'soon to expire meat at reduced prices. I went to Walmart at 7:30 this morning and there were 10 packages of ground beef at $1.50 per lb. because they expire on Thursday. I'll probably freeze 8-9 and eat the rest tomorrow.

>>6183261
>>6183253
>>6183251

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24815945

>>6183488
>correlation != causation
>"However, the heterogeneity among studies is significant"

>>6183550

>>correlation !=causation

that's like the catchphrase for denial

>>6183488

>fatties down hamburgers and chicken nuggets because they have the food preferences of children
>this mean meat makes you fat

ok

>>6183554
Troll harder, m8

>>6183562

vegetarians are also pretty consistently shown to have lower BMIs then meat eaters so there's probably something to it. fattier meats like red meat tend to be more calorically dense and not as filling as people say

>>6183550
>>6183562

>instead of saying "oh, I guess ground beef can possibly contribute to weight gain"
>>NOOOOOOOOO. MUH HAMBOYGAHS!

>>6183566
>vegetarians are also pretty consistently shown to have lower BMIs then meat eaters
They also run a high risk for anemia and blindness while being deficient in several nutrients, but whatever

>>6183580
It's called critical thinking, something very important when discussing scientific studies.

Us government kicking cattle ranches off there land for a few decades

>>6183582

lol why are you so defensive about it. nobody cares if vegetarians go blind or have 2 inch dicks or squirt milk out of their gyno tits. all the study is saying is that people who dont eat meat tend to be less fat than people who do eat meat and that maybe the meat has something to do with that fact

>>6183566

yeah because they are more likely to pay attention to health in general, since actively making any sort of dietary eliminations requires effort and at least a minor amount of research, as opposed to just blindly shoveling garbage down your throat

Also I've personally found fattier meats to be very satiating, but I can't speak for everyone

>>6183587
>why are you so defensive about it
Because you can find studies to justify damn near anything, and just blindly linking to a single meta-analysis without thinking about things is how shitty broscience is spread.

>all the study is saying is that people who dont eat meat tend to be less fat than people who do eat meat and that maybe the meat
The assumption is related to BMI, not the relationship of LBM to bodyfat ratio, so to assume consumption of meat makes people "more fat" is bogus considering a high frequency of protein deficiency among vegetarians which lends itself to lower musculature.

>>6183607

actually the study found higher association for waist circumference than bmi, meaning fatness. do you got studies showing meat consumption with less obesity/overweight? not saying it doesnt exist but it seems to be mostly meat = fatter

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24257164

^ this one even adjusted the data for both physical activity and total energy intake and meat eaters were a bit fatter

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257829/

^ this one says animal sourced food is a partial cause of the global obesity epidemic, especially as it replaces traditional foods like grains and beans

going to keep looking for favorable studies. otherwise that guy's failed joke might actually be right, cheap access to fatty ground beef is probably one reason why america's so fat

>>6183179
Ground beef is expensive now because of the record high temps and droughts last year. This led to many ranchers being forced to slaughter more than they would have normally to save on feed costs. If you noticed, last year beef was very cheap.

If you are looking for better prices on meat try going to stores that have a deli and wait for sales. At my local Albertsons (Cali Fag here) sometimes they'll have managers special buy 1 get 2 free deals.

>>6183179
>5$ a pound
>expensive

a sincere fuck you
from a yuropoor

>>6183179
>The only benefit is that my burgers won't taste like horseshit

You're right, anon, idk why anyone would ever make their own.

>>6183179
Where do you live?

$5 a pound for ground beef is absurd. It's generally is about $1.89-$2.00 where I live (Austin, TX), but I shop at our local chain, HEB. We do have Krogers in the area, but HEB is more convenient to get to.

>>6184352
mcdonald's burgers are good

>>6184365
california

>>6184365
fuck you guys. i just converted it and i pay more than 8$ for one lbs of mixed ground meat (beef/pork)...

>>6183850

don't you guys make more money though, relatively?

Hmmm, maybe I should stop complaining about $3 per lb... Although beef seems to be getting cheaper not more expensive. It'll never be 99 cents a lb ever again. ;_;

>>6183179
Buy one get one free. It's $2.50/lb

Get your beef at Costco. $3.7/lb, but you have to buy 6 pounds.

Or, some of them have organic angus beef; that's $5/lb also, but obviously much better than Kroger pink slime shit.

>>6183223
you are so hopelessly southwest

hullo friend

>>6183179

blame the grinders' union
their pay is over the top

Wow, this thread is blowing my mind a bit. I think I pay the equivalent of around $10 for a pound of mince. Two or three dollars is incredible. Or rather, the level of automation that must be involved is incredible.

I wonder what the numbers look like actually. If you get about 500lbs from a cow, charge $2 a pound, and it's slaughtered at eight months, you're effectively earning about $4 a day from the cow. That's enough for half an hour of a minimum wage employee's time, so you could hire a guy 9-5 and break even if he looks after 16 cows.

That's a lot better than I thought actually. It sounds a reasonable number if you have to muck out and feed them yourself, and if you've got machines doing that you could probably handle 50 or 60.

>>6184769
wait whoa

youre telling me that your economy allows for a pound of beef to sell at $10/lb?

thats so damn much
where are you?

>>6183566
So people who categorically have to pay attention to what they put into their mouth are less likely to be obese than the general population? Big fucking surprise.

>>6184787
UK. But $10 is for upper middle tier beef, the cheapest stuff available actually is about $2.50, which I was surprised to discover just now.

>>6183622
>Compared to those who consumed no red meat, men and women in the highest quartile of red meat intake showed an increase of 0.17(95% CI:0.08-0.26, P < 0.0001)and 0.12 kg/m(2) (95%CI:0.02-0.22, P < 0.05) on BMI and increase of 596 g (95%CI:329-864, P < 0.0001) and 400 g (95%CI:164-636, P < 0.0001) on body weight, respectively, after adjustment for potential confounders (age, income, education, smoking, alcohol, physical activity level, community urbanization index and total energy intake).

So in other words, once you factor for other variables, it's a difference of about half a kilogram. Big. Fucking. Deal.

>>6183243
Top kek

> all these spergs missing the joke

>>6184817
>>6184787
Also apparently I'm completely retarded and cannot read weights. It's $10 for a kg, so more like $4.50 a pound.

yeeeeah... the expensivest i can get at the local supermarket is 11.1$ per lb.

>>6184829
aaaaaah now it makes sense

that was alot of money for some cow

>>6184834
literally just paid that for porterhouse the other day
>inb4 hurrr bones n shit

>>6184822

I think the point is to show that even among a group that naturally eats little red meat, even with the same energy intake and physical activity level, the meat had some kind of obesogenic quality. If instead of the Chinese we're looking at Americans, it'd make sense that people eating lots of beef would be noticeably fatter. Forest for the trees, as it were.

>>6184854
sadly, i'm not kidding you when i say that this would cost me 28.2$/lb here...

>>6184865
It compares the 1/4 of the population who eat the most red meat compared to those who don't eat any. Now, I don't actually claim to know the numbers, but I'd imagine that the highest quartile of chinese would be about average for american(or european, for that matter). Even if it isn't, that's still not a huge amount. I can't actually be bothered to read the entire study, but the abstract didn't mention anything about bodyfat, it was comparing total weight and BMI only, which could easily be explained if meat-eaters in general have higher muscle mass.

>>6184879
That truly sucks. Where do you live? I'm in Boston, which is NOT a cheap city. In fact, I even went to an over priced grocery store and got that price.

>>6184886
in switzerland. so it doesn't shock me at all. infact, i got the prices from the mid-tier grocery-shop here. there are some high-end-shop but i don't even dare to look at those prices. it'll probably be around 40$/lb or even more if it is, you know, bio, grassfed, slow-food stuff.
but then again, the social aid you get here is about 1600$/person so go figure what the average wage is...

>>6184929
Isn't that exactly why people live in Italy and commute to Switzerland? Lower cost of living, but higher wages for retardedly simple jobs?

>>6184945
we have a lot of that, yes. from italy, france,austria, luxembourg and mostly german. swiss-people are not very fond of that fact because it lowers our wages since the people from outside do the jobs for less money, so the average wage goes down whilst our living-expenses stay the same.

What do you guys think about pork burgers

inb4 bbq

I believe ground beef is so expensive because of water shortages in the midwest leading to less grazing area.

>>6184365
>$5 a pound for ground beef is absurd. It's generally is about $1.89-$2.00 where I live (Austin, TX)

It's cheap where they raise the cattle.
>youdontsay.jpg

>>6183179
What about the meat counter? Ground beef is usually pretty cheap at them.

>>6185197
Alternatively, anon could buy chuck, and mince it himself. Takes about as long to mince it with a knife as it does to use a grinder, then clean it. Also, coarser mince tends to be more satisfying.

>>6184769
Not to mention the parts that get tossed in for ground beef tend to be the parts of lean muscle that are less in-demand as whole portions. Not to mention the golden 80/20 is more fatty than typical adipose pockets on lean meat.

Suffice to say, the cow is going to average about 8-9 dollars a pound retail

>>6185451
Also, I'll try better to start my sentences with more diversity in the future.

Buy your own and grind it; most places give you fat for free, so a $3.99/lb rump or chuck roast comes out to $3.40/lb and you can control fat content and composition

>>6183179
>it is fucking $5 a pound
That's not expensive. You're talking about fucking meat. If the government weren't subsidizing it the cost would easily be twice that.

>>6183451
this fag knows whats up

>>6185482
>the gubmen makes it all beddr
If the government would just stay the fuck out, it would be $0.50/lb, jackoff.

I agree, it is expensive, but over here it's around 3/lb. Where the fuck are you?

>>6185515

It'd also be like 70% horse meet, 20% cow meat, and 10% human meat

>he eats meat

>>6185527
Oh, because without government regulations, companies would just totally and completely drop their standards? Don't be such a fucking idiot. There are PLENTY of manufacturers who CURRENTLY rise above government standards. Who's to say they wouldn't continue in a day when the government fucks off? If it puts them in a higher tier and they make money off it, why the fuck not?


>>6185531
Did you come here just to shitpost?

>>6183622
>chinese study

Into the trash it goes. Chinese "Scientists" literally just make data up when they don't get the outcome they want.

>>6185515
Hardly; I'm not sure you understand the role of the government in procuring goods for foodstuffs

The farm bill alone is essential for the sustainability of agribusiness in America. You subscribe to the free market by living in an industrialized world; this same market mandates that the pay for living in a remote community in the fabled "flyoverland" must cover the expenses associated with the location

Enter the market for crops, perfectly inelastic and usually not capable of providing a living for farmers (and that is barring natural phenomena which all but guarantee net loss). Yet the market requires such goods for the production of other products

Without the farm bill (representing just one of hundreds of ways the government ensures the continuity of the market) consumer goods would be wrought with inflated prices and volatility

>>6184769
>hire one guy 9-5 to look after 16 cows

For the majority of the cow's life, it needs next to no attention at all. A herd might need to be fed during the winter months, but that just involves dropping of a few rolls of hay every now and then. Most small scale cattle farms I've seen involve one guy working a whole herd in his off hours. A large amount of the costs for that kind of farming is just the land.

>>6185540
At least they aren't as bad as sociologists.

Any argentine people here have any input on prices? I know good argentine beef is supposed to be pretty much top quality

>>6185535
because they could drop their standards to rock bottom and Americans would still eat their foods

>>6185622
OHHHH, is that why companies like Whole Foods are tanking?

>>6185548
Pasture is cheap. If it was decent land, they'd be growing crops on it.

>>6183179
>5$ a pound
>expensive

>>6184365
GO SPURS GO

>>6187496
GO SPERGS GO

>>6183179
Do you realize how many mcdonalds burgers a pound of beef makes?

Buy a larger cut of beef and grind/mince your own.

>ground beef
$2.99 per pound for 10 pounds
http://www.consumermeats.com/details.php?id=2165&c=32&s=&pqn=&name=Fresh--ground-beef-70/%-lean-10-lbs-bulk
>buns
$55.25 for 96 buns
https://www.foodservicedirect.com/product.cfm/p/154410/Rotellas-Kaiser-Corn-Meal-Dusted-Hamburger-Bun-4-inch.htm

McDonalds burger patties are about 1.6oz each.
One pound of ground beef (16oz) can make 10 burger patties.
Divided $2.99 (price of one pound of ground beef) by 10 (number of burger patties in a pound).
>each patty costs about 30 cents

Divide $55.25 (cost of buns) by 96 (the total number of buns).
>each bun costs about 30 cents

30 plus 30 equals 60
>the total cost of materials for one burger is about 60 cents
Use your government cheese and stolen sauce packets if you want anything else on it, you fucking poorfags.

>>6183179
Its on sale $2.99/lb for 85% Lean this week. Being best American on Super Bowl week is bretty fucking awesome. Onions, jalapenos, and cilantro are also on sale!

Costco sells a tasty 88% blend for 2.99/lb. I would consider that the best deal in time considering the other places where you can get 2.99/lb are usually 70/30 which is pure fucking grease and nastiness, but I guess some people like that.

>>6183243
Because cows are eating cows

>>6183179
>>6183187
Because ALL beef is expensive right now.
It started when the ethanol mandates for gascame down about 10 years ago. They use corn for ethanol production-corn that used to be sold as cattle feed. This drove feed prices up drastically and lots of smaller ranchers cut their herds because they couldn't afford to feed them.
Then there was a corn crop failure in the Midwest a couple of years ago. Feed prices went up drastically AGAIN, and AGAIN smaller rancher cut their herds down.
Now we've got another problem-the domestic cattle herds aren't big enough to satisfy domestic demand-we are now importing beef from overseas. So prices are high because that's what it takes to get beef to you AND make it profitable for ranchers to build back their beef herds again.

>>6183179
>>6183192
>>6183223
and all other retarded amerifats in here: you don't see any problems with meat that cheap?

>>6190133
Nope.

>>6183179

I haven't purchased pre-ground beef in years, but at the butcher I sometimes go to, I think it's closer to $9/lb

Also this >>6183191

>>6185535
>>6185527
You where there, before FDA was actually given real power. You had a 10-20 year period where "beef" was really horse meat. And lots of fun stuff.
Most countries in the west experienced this during the post industrialization period. To various degrees.

>>6185545
The problem is that a lot of the lazy in farming is caused by regulation.
Barring of land isn't a natural phenomena. Its caused by farming wrong.
Irish potato famine wasn't natural, it was shit farming allowing the worst to happen.

>>6190133
>I paid lots of money for it, therefore it is automatically better

>>6185187
>It's cheap where they raise the cattle.
They don't raise them where I live, but Texas does have the highest cattle production in the US, so fair enough anon.

>>6187496
That's San Antonio buddy.

>>6190170
And yet things have progressed, and consumers have FAR more sophisticated means of keeping an eye on distributors. There are independent agencies that check and regulate shit. We don't need the gubment for that.

Meat is cheaper than it has ever been in history. You aren't supposed to be eating huge amounts of meat every meal. Making appropriate meals with appropriate portion sizes is cheaper as a whole.

>>6190170
>before FDA was actually given real power. You had a 10-20 year period where "beef" was really horse meat. And lots of fun stuff.
See the Jungle by Upton Sinclair.

>>6190444
>Sinclair wrote Socialist propaganda
>But since he did his research, he properly documented how shit the early meat farms was
>This resulted in creating what is the FDA today
>Sinclair was butthurt over the improvement of quality rather than fixing the working conditions for the low wage workers

>>6190488
True. What caused an uproar was the well researched setting for his novel. No one gave a fuck about the actual point of the book. Which was the plight of the worker. Readers were too horrified by the descriptions of butcher shops of the period to even notice the plight of the worker.

also:
>>6190428
this

>>6190201
the cheaper it is the worse.

>>6190428
>it costs less to eat more
holy shit we've got a genius in the mix. kill yourself you literally retard

>>6190531
Elijah Craig 12 costs less than Makers Mark, and yet... it's significantly better.

>>6183472
That meat is going to be super tough when you cook it. It was probably already frozen and thawed once already.

>>6190587
that's why you mince it

>>6190536

Why are you mad? Are you a mouth breathing retard yourself that can't cook for himself? Or just autistic for nuggies and tendies?

>>6183472

That's what I do, I only buy the meat that is 'soon' to be expired and freeze whatever I don't use immediately.

Used to work there. Glad thing they pulled out of Vegas for good. This store was shit. The prices were terribly high for a place that advertised themselves as selling for for a lesser price.

>>6190726
>Glad thing they

Eh.. Good thing they**

>>6190726
Foo4Less is the one that says you save because they don't have any bag boys right?

>>6190569
>Elijah Craig
not him but ima now try elijah graig

>>6190737
I got some 12 year shit on sale for $25 once... far better value than Maker's, which, btw, cuts it with wheat.

>>6190726
I agree. Their prices didn't match their store name. Smart&Final had cheaper groceries in my experience.

>>6183179
I can never find ground-chuck fresh for cheap.
It's like $14 for 3 pounds.

>>6190733
The kids that push the carts and sweep the floors are the baggers at some places. Otherwise it's the customers who bag their own groceries.

>>6190726
I go to Ralphs, and the same items are marked up more than what they are at Food4Less

>>6183223
Ahhh, the fragrance of trenbolone on cheap imported beef.

>>6183179
I know it's like around 6$ for the kind I get (93% lean), but it's worth it. I have 4 of those tubes in my freezer

>>6192057
>93%

that shit is dry as fuck

>>6183240
Why are mom-blogs so cancerous