/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>6008782
I'm doing chermette beaujolais nouveau for turkey day, since you canucks don't seem to get that it's supposed to be in November.

For a bubbly gift I would never give dom P. Probably marie noelle ledru, although I'd hate to carry that on a plane.

>>6008954
Sounds damn fine, I only learned that you should chill beaujolais literally last week, blew my mind tasting it like that for the first time, good choice for the meal too.


I'm looking on a Billecarte blanc de blanc for one of mine, might nick that suggestion too though, also going to get Cava and Proseco to vary it up a little- although I know fuck all about Cava

I recommend Palmer & Co Brut champagne, it's good.

>>6008954
Could you, or anyone really, recommend a solid beaujolais for someone who has never had one? I just started getting into wine a little bit ago.

>>6009031
There's Beaujolais, and there's Beaujolais nouveau. Neither is considered fancy but the nouveau has a (somewhat dated) reputation as being trashy.

Anyway I'd see if you can find any by Marcel lapierre. The quality is good, they're not TOO hard to find, and he makes both kinds. The "raisins gaulois" is quite common.

>>6009021
>>6009051
Anyone know any good rose champagnes too? Females are suckers for those things, might just settle for a rose Veuve

>>6009031
Manor du Carra is totally reasonable and tasty

>>6009615
In my experience, when there is a gender based preference for beverages, it's not a sophisticated enough drinker where they'd seriously care other than a recognizable, high status label. I'd just get whatever pushes the right prestige buttons since that's what it's really about for such people.

In addition to my specific thanksgiving day pairings (which I can't remember at the moment), I bought half a case of 2009 domaine d'en segur le rouge. I don't know much about anything about wine, but this the first wine that finally made me say "I get it!" about wine. At about $17 a bottle, that only makes it a better buy. The fruits and the tannins are very well balanced, and I think it makes this a versatile wine.

Drinking Gigondas tonight. It's pretty amazing for a rather uninformed purchase.

>>6010202
Not to play down gigondas but guigal is one of those mega brands that you basically can't go wrong with.

Any time you hear a hipster going on about how it's only good if you haven't heard of it, you can point out e guigal.

>>6008782
Perfect time for a wine thread, I just bought myself a bottle of Masi Reservation do Costasera amarone.

>>6010448
That's what I get for posting from my phone. Should say Riserva di Costasera.

>>6010448
I bought a 2-pack of 2004/2005 Bertani amarone classico early this year without knowing anything about amarone and never thought about opening it for some reason. Is amarone classico sweet or dry? I don't like port at all, so if it's anything like port, I should probably just gift it away.

>>6010524
It's dry. Basically it's red wine made with partially dried grapes - doing so makes it especially rich and intense, but it's not sweet.

>>6009718
Guess you're right , Tesco's brand rose it is then!

>>6010073
>but this the first wine that finally made me say "I get it!" about wine
I think everyone remembers that feel, it's glorious

>>6010448
God damn that looks nice, how much did it set you back though? I love Amarone but as you said, they dry the water out of the grapes in the making of it (some up to 60~%), so that hikes up the price

>>6009615
In the <$100 rose champagne category, you'll be blown away by the Vilmart Rubis, and very happy with the Billecart Salmon Rose

Heading to Paris today with wife and kid.
A bit of fun, escaping the USA during Thanksgiving;
and a bit of work Les salons des vins des Vignerons Indépendants happening.
Most of the decent -> great wines already find their way into NYC. This is one of the only chances to find out about some of those other guys.

>>6011499
>>6011508
Well I was thinking of getting Billecart like I said before, but I think the shop also stocks the Salmon Rose so I might switch it to that

Definitely going to have to grab a Blanc de Blanc of some kind though, I love that shit.

And that sounds like a lot of fun, do you work in the industry yourself?

>>6011157
Yeah it isn't cheap. That bottle was about 100 bucks- it's the second most I've ever spent on a bottle of (non-fortified) wine. Saving it for New Years Eve dinner with of and friends.

It's also not even just the loss of volume from drying that makes amarone expensive- there's a risk level to making it, since it needs the right weather during the drying as well, and bad weather can ruin it from what I understand.

>>6011986
Damn that's fairly pricey, but Amarone is top tier stuff in my opinion, not something you can buy every day but for an occasion it's perfect.

>tfw working new years eve
I'll bring a bottle of wine into work, fuck the police

>>6012450
Yeah it's definitely not something I can reasonably buy often, but it's one of my favorite wines and I will grab a bottle for special occasions and such sometimes.

I feel for you having to work new years, I managed to swing getting new years eve off for once but I'm working December 24-25-26 instead.

I also bought a really nice bottle of Madeira to share with everyone with dessert- Barbeito malvasia 1959. I can't recommend trying a good older Madeira enough, they're one of the most unique wines out there.

>>6008782
>drinking acidic ethanol grape juice

>>6012618
>consuming yeast and sugar by-products of any sort

>>6012623
>existing

you guys how do i into wine

i have like a bunch of bottles but i dunno if they're really any good or not

i opened a bottle of merlot or whatever and it was gross

>>6012690
Just drink lots and you'll find whatever suits your taste. Nice bottles can be found for £5-10 in any supermarket. Live within your means.

>>6012690
If you like it, it's good; taste is ultimately subjective

Depends what level of knowledge you want to get to, just buy by grape variety until you find one that suits your fancy if you want to enjoy some wine. If you want to learn about it and enjoy it, it's a broader subject

>>6012715
wow... that was actually the best possible advice i could imagine.

>>6012690
Why not post the names of your bottles?

>>6012717
A-are you being sarcastic

>>6012718
>bottle of merlot
what else do you need to know? he's a clear pleb

>>6012851
>meme opinions
gape yourself

>>6012851
Miles pls.

>>6012721
>posting bum wine

>>6012851
>an entire grape is classified as pleb
>a noble grape no less
It seems it's you who is the pleb.

>>6014056
Next you'll be telling me you like CabFranc single varietals.

>>6014773

Not him, but what's wrong with those? It's not like Cab Sauv single varietals which are invariably made to cater to the palates of turbo plebs.

>>6014783
Sidesways, watch it

>>6014792

Nah, I think I'm good.

>>6014792

>I get my wine opinions from 10 year old comedy-dramas

>>6014819
I was just paraphrasing the film for a laugh, it was a joke, remember what jokes are anon? Think back to before you soul became a gaping pit of despair

>>6014832

>I was j-just joking you guys

>>6014835
God you must literally an autist in real life social situations

>>6014839
>>6014832

I find this reaction funny (as in tastes funny, not as in I am laughing), because the only people I have met who think quoting random movies and TV shows is a good a way of interacting with strangers are socially awkward as hell.

>>6014943
I agree, but quoting an extremely popular film that centers around wine, while talking about wine, isn't the same thing as what you're saying

My grandfather gifted my dad a bottle of 1978 Chateau Latour a few months ago, and my fsmily decided to open in last night.

Unfortunately, it wasn't stored properly the entire time, and the wine had oxidized. Cork was very dry. Shame.

He also gifted a bottle of Joseph Phelps Insignia 2006, which has been stored properly the entire time. We're going to open it later tonight.

Had a nice surprise at the supermarket the other day.
An actual drinkable wine for 3.7€, I love languedoc blends especially with mourvedre.
I've tasted a pure negrette recently too, nice not well known varietal. Very fruity with a big hint of animal, easy to drink but not very complex.

are there any charts for wine?
red, white, supermarket tier and what have you?

>>6015203

No, unfortunately it isn't instant ramen. I'm afraid you'll have to read words and remember a few things in order to make sense of it all.

>>6014961
>Unfortunately, it wasn't stored properly the entire time, and the wine had oxidized.
God damn that is really saddening, how was it stored? Hope the Insignia fairs better, any other wines that he gifted?

>>6015029
That is a bargin, don't think i've ever heard 'animal' used as a descriptor before though- do you mean meaty or gamey?

>>6015203
I have this like

>>6015225

I hate that infographic, and most of the awful winefolly infographics. They tickle my database normalization autism in a major way.

I do like corbieres though. Cheap and always interesting.

>>6015225
The bottle hadn't always been stored in a wine cooler. He also lives in an area where the air is quite dry so it must havE taken it's toll. Pretty sure he has stored everything right for the last 10 or 15 years.

He's got about 50 bottles, some pretty nice. I don't know a whole lot about wine but I know he has a bottle of silver oak from the 90's I am interested in.

>>6015225
thanks, that infographic helps :)

>>6015310
Yeah it's a bit of an information overload, needs trimming down a bit

>>6015310
Nice, has he been collecting all of his life? What's his name, address and weaknesses?

>>6008782
>weekly wine thread
After being here for over three years this is the first time I ever notice a weekly wine thread
Better yet so that you understand me clearly ... FUCK OFF!

>>6015225
Yeah i'm francophone so i'd use sauvage.
But I guess gamey is what i'm looking for.
My nose and palette is not well trained so I only notice big hints.

>>6017220
Personally I find that once you notice one particularly pronounced taste or smell, you can sudden notice it in other things even if it's much more subtle

I remember never smelling oak on wines, but once I noticed it in a wine with very pronounced american oak, I could notice it everywhere, I suddenly I 'got' french oaks

>>6008782
This. I personally love this recent discovery...

pic related

I BOUGHT MYSELF SOME FLIRTY BIRD BECAUSE BIRDS SEXUALLY AROSE ME

I WAS NOT DISAPPOINTED.

wine is for faggots

still trying to develop a palate for wine. i'm very new to wine, but this was the first wine i've particularly enjoyed (pic semi-related, only a 2012 vintage)

>>6018383
I fucking love Grenache blends, it's such a flexible varietal and can give things a such a perfect nose. That one sounds like it's powerful as hell though, definitely sounds like one to decant before drinking, how much does it set you back?

>>6018554
If you're feeling that you might want to try something from the right bank of the Bordeaux region. With Bordeaux reds it's all about blending 5 particular grapes (technically 6 but never mind that) in order to get very balanced and top notch wines. On the right bank of this region it's very Merlot centered, so although you get the likes of CabSav adding a bit of power and structure, the blends are predominately Merlot and so they retain that softness that Merlot brings to the table, and don't go overboard on tannins

>>6019137
> suggesting a cab to someone new to wine
Those things are too sweet for the uninitiated, especially if they are trying to train their palette.

>>6019144

Are you some kind of retard?

Rhetorical question, don't answer.

>>6018513
Then you should probably go buy a bottle.

How do I stop being a wine pleb, OP? I usually just get a random chianti.

>>6020148

False premise. You're a pleb because you're a pleb, it has nothing to do with the wine.

Just drink your chianti.

>>6020152
p-please

>>6020154

But I'm serious. If you think a drink is going to make you "classy" you're setting yourself up for just being a pretentious ass who no one wants to drink with.

If you want to get an encyclopedic knowledge of wine, read a lot of wine books and drink a wide variety of wine. But that's not going to make you "classy" any more than sipping lafroog is going to make you a distinguished gentleman.

>>6020159
What's the point of drinking wine if you can't be pretentious?

oh great. the weekly /ck/ cringe thread.

Last bottle of wine I had was gardo & morris, pinot noir. It was good.

>>6020174
>new zealand wine
>good

Pick neither

>>6020159
This.
People *can* improve, but such an outcome is rarer then teeth in a hen. Just accept the fact that you'll never be "better". It's really the best decision to kind of just give up.

>>6020171

It tastes good and makes you feel good?

If you set your mind to it, you can be pretentious about anything. Just look at any craft beer thread.

Does mead count? Anyone try this before?

>>6020192
I've had it. Was interesting. Would not drink on a regular basis though.

>>6020178
shows what you know

>>6020216
>it's good because parker said so

Other people's opinions are not knowledge.

>>6020148
You can start by upgrading to the classico riserva.

>>6020259
Ah thank you. Finally a useful person.

>>6020222
I have no idea what/who parker is. great point though, bro

>>6020178
I've actually had some clos henri bourgeois sauvignon blanc from new zealand that was pretty good. Even though their best are french wines.

>>6020178
I've actually had some clos henri bourgeois sauvignon blanc from new zealand that was pretty good. Even though their best are french wines.

>>6020277

Everyone raves about NZ sauv blanc. I just don't get it.

>>6020294
You know there's more to a wine then varietal and country. How was it made, what was the soil, what weather,etc.

Anyway just because people rave about it doesn't mean you have to like it.

>>6020311
>You know there's more to a wine then varietal and country

Sure. For instance the loire area of france makes all kinds of great tasting styles of wine made from sauv blanc, I guess because of the varied geology and traditions.

And then there's NZ. Soil, vinification, and microclimates all conspire to make $30 bottles of pic related.

I'm not an expert, maybe you can explain it to me.

>>6020325
I don't know m8, I don't taste many wines from NZ but the one I mentionned was a french winemaker from loire who bought some land in NZ and transported his knowledge there. So I guess that plays a bit.2

>>6020294
neither do I, but they have some fairly good riesling and chardonnay and very good pinot noir,

>>6020347
>2014
>still treating the french like the gods of winemaking.

I mixed some turbo yeast in a bottle of Welch's, I'm looking forward to drinking it in a couple days.

>>6020372

Not that guy, but just as I wouldn't look to anywhere else but a few parts of Northern California for zinfandel, I wouldn't look to anywhere else but a few parts of France for sauv blanc.

There's always someone in the world who is best at something. Let's not be so spineless as to pretend we can all be winners, because that's not how life works.

>>6020192
literally reddit the drink

>>6020372
I'm not treating them as the best. Its just that of the few NZ sauv blanc i've tasted, that's the only one I liked.

>>6020372
>saw bottle shock on Netflix and is now an expert on wine

eatshit.jpg

>>6020384
>>6020387
>>6020403

this is why /ck/ shouldn't discuss wine.

>>6020384
Any suggestions on a good zinfandel wine? I've tried once a cheap primitivo from puglia but I guess it isn't comparable.

>>6020417
>b-but muh judgment of paris!

Don't be like that, anon. You can just admit you were wrong.

>>6020419

Storybook Mountain Maycamas is my favorite that I can actually afford.

Ridge makes some really good stuff, but they can get pricey.

>>6020421
so far I've been ascribed opinions based on bottle shock (?), parker (?) and jop, of which I only know what one is. My point all along has been that there are shit winemakers in california, new zealand and france, and there are amazing winemakers in california, new zealand and france. Others in this thread, however, have argued that how good a wine is is determined by its origin. Who's right again?

>>6020445
> Others in this thread, however, have argued that how good a wine is is determined by its origin.

Why don't you point out these posts so we can see how badly you misinterpreted them.

Is English your second or third language?

>>6020432
much thanks

>>6020445
Not that guy, but I don't think anyone here is saying every bottle of wine from a particular region is always good. Each variety shows differently in different regions, and people develop preferences for a particular region's influence on that variety. I interpreted the above posts to mean that one anon prefers CA zins and another dislikes NZ sauv blanc.

>>6020485
I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THAT IDEA. EVERY TIME I BUY A WINE FROM THE ALDIS REGION, IT IS VASTLY SUPERIOR TO THE GIANT EAGLE REGION WINES. PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE PRICE. MOSTLY BECAUSE IT REMINDS ME OF CLOACA.

DO NOT MISINTERPRET ME. NOT ALL WINES SHOULD INVOKE THE TASTE OF THE BEST PART OF A FOWL. THAT IS ONLY FOR RED WINES.

Drank a bottle of Beaulieu Vineyard Rutherford 2012. Was on sale for $24 (saved about $20).

Personally enjoyed the $9 bottle of Blackstone better.

What are some of the differences between cheap and expensive red wines?
I'm drinking $7 red wine at the moment but I don't really know why as the only decent thing about it is the strong initial taste, followed by an awful chemical tasting finish.
Can I fix this by buying more expensive wine?

What wine can you cook lentils with?

>>6021091
You shouldn't taste that awful chemical finish after $15 or so. As for the strong initial taste, it all depends on the type of red.

This is probably off topic but I don't know anywhere else to ask.
is there any discernable taste between two equally priced cognacs and brandys?
I'm definitely using them for cooking but I might drink it if it is good enough.
Also what relation do fortified white wines have to port? Do they all have a smooth taste?

>>6021091
Drink wine from different varietals and different regions with different price ranges. Find what you like. You now know which wine you enjoy.
A 50$ wine can taste like shit compared to a 15$ wine. As long as you don't go off too far on the low end where its usually shit. Idk about the US but here in Belgium good wines usually start at around 7€ or around 8$.

Had an '02 LBV port by Warre on Thanksgiving

was so fucking good that I couldn't stop huffing my glass, it was like honey

also the cork disintegrated into dust when we opened it, most of it falling into the bottle. Had to filter the entire fucking thing so we probably killed the remaining shelf-life

>>6020386
I knew choosing that picture would get some *tips*.

>>6021774
Fortified wine in general is just awesome and really underappreciated IMO. I'm a huge fan of tawny port and older madeiras particularly.

Trying to get into wine, can anyone give me a quick rundown of the basic differences between Merlot, Pinot Noir, Cabernet Savignon, and Zinfandel? I think I'll stick with red wines for now and branch out when I'm more experienced. I have a bottle of Freemark Abbey merlot right now. I like it, but I don't really have a frame of reference, so it's difficult to compare, or describe it's taste.

>>6022090
Nope, no tips. You're just a fucking pleb.

>>6022753
Why not start with white wine? Reds have tannins that can be off-putting to new wine drinkers. If you must start with a red, Pinot and Merlot should be easier to drink than Cab since Cab is more tannic. Pinot Noir is lighter and more tart than Merlot but least tannic. I'm not familiar with Zins so I won't touch on that.

I like the red kind.

>>6022963
Definitely not out of the question. It would probably do me more good if I tried some white wine to expand my taste. Thanks for the help.

>>6022795
>that'll be one fedora + tip

Any good value red wines that you can buy in Australia?

>>6023554
Anything good would have to be imported, but I don't know what the tariffs are like there. Probably pretty bad based on the amount of ausfag whining that happens on the gearfag/consumerist threads on every board on this site.

>Recommending sparkling wine for Christmas presents edition

My buddy the chef always recommends Moet White Star. I enjoyed it. I don't have a lot of wine knowledge but I like to think my palate is reasonably developed. It seemed drier than most of the stuff I've had randomly, which I appreciated.