/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Just ate a block of semi-sweet chocolate with some roasted almonds and it was delicious.
Before that I ate half a mango.
The other day I ate a green apple with peanut butter.

>>5547801

none because im not a giant liberal faggot

I don't think it's gross and I eat lots of things that are coincidentally vegan. I hate people who won't shut the fuck up about it though.

>>5547812
>chocolate
>vegan

cheeseburgers

Tortilla chips with bean dip or red bell pepper hummus.

Pumpkin seeds.

Kale chips.

Strawberries with coconut whipped cream.

>>5547801
Primal Strips.

>>5547858
God, I love those.

>>5547801
That picture is missing a big black throbbing dick topped with a little precum on the tip of the shroom. That's vegan's favorite kind of mushroom by the way.

>>5547801
>>5547858
>don't eat meat
>every food item mimics meat
Just go and die already you pathetic cunts.

Cracked pepper and olive oil Triscuits.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Peanut butter on celery.

Snap peas.

Saltine crackers with chickpea salad.

Toast with sliced avocado and tomato, with pepper, garlic powder, salt.

Toast with Earth Balance, hemp seeds, garlic powder, maybe pepper.

Earth Balance vegan aged white cheddar puffs.

>>5547904
>hemp seeds
Oh wow

>>5547916
???

>>5547801
I make these tasty oatmeal peanut butter banana chocolate chip cookies.

I mix banana, peanut butter, and a little Earth Balance with some Stevia extract and vanilla, then add oatmeal and a little gluten free all purpose flour and semi-sweet or dark chocolate chips. Then bake them for 8 minutes at 350 degrees. Very good.

>>5547904
i eat all of that besides the moon balance ones
>fuggin shill

also i eat meat because i enjoy the best protein/calorie options

>>5547901
Moron, the problem vegans have with meat isn't the flavor or texture.

Or are you just being dense and argumentative for the sake of appearing smart?

>>5548039
then why?

>>5548048
Then why what?

>>5548050
why dont they eat it

>>5548070
A number of reasons. Health-related, morality-related, disease-related.

Some vegans might not like the taste and texture of meat, but those who eat meat analogues aren't eating meat, so it's still vegan.

How come people think like you?

>>5547801
Compared to the self-righteous shit that spews OUT of any given vegan's mouth, I can't say anything they put into it bothers me.

>>5548076
I'd say because there hasn't been a vegan that hasn't been some kind of narcissistic cunt who cannot understand why other people might feel differently on a subject.

Is it made out of real vegans?

>>5548087
That's a personal problem instead of a belief problem.

>>5548091
since when is it a "belief" and not a diet?

>>5548097
It can be either, actually.

Some folks eat vegan because they believe it's a healthy diet, and some folks eat vegan because they are against eating animals and animal products.

>>5548098
why dont they like animals?

>>5548087

>>5548100
But they do, anon. Just not as food.

>>5548103
yeah vegans are just as bad as crossfiters

>>5548105
why do they think they are dirty or something like the jews or muslims do or do they think theyre holy like indians believe cows are?

im confused

>>5547801
Ovo-lacto vegetarian for ethical reasons and non-lib here. OP confirmed for cancer.

"Vegan food" is literally every single foood on the planet sans animals or their by-products. You don't get to claim it just because it fits your hipster title.

And unless you're vegan for health reasons, or you grow and make your own food for ethical reasons, then you're likely just a deluded and pretentious hypocrite who makes everybody else hate other vegans and vegetarians and you should probably re-evaluate your lifestyle

>>5548152
what ethical reasons

>>5547801
Why does it have to be a fucking "VEGAN" snack?
It's just a fucking snack with veggies you shit fags.

>>5548076
There are also ethical vegans like myself who don't care about personal health but are into it for animals and/or the environment. Health benefits are a plus but I can't really say it's for my health when I still eat Skittles and French fries.

why do people use the word vegan instead of vegetarian?

>>5548171
what do you mean for the animals?

>>5548103
How do you know someone likes French cooking?

They might make a thread on /ck about French recipes and snacks. What assholes.

do you guys put olive oil in your hummus, or no?

>>5548152
Are you seriously this retarded?

>>5548164
It's a snack that excludes animal products. It's obviously easier to say "vegan". Why is this a hard concept to grasp????

>>5548160
All life is sacred, bru

>>5548177
Originally went vegan after watching undercover investigations of factory farms, like this: www.meatvideo.com

Then it took me a few years to fully acknowledge that it wasn't only factory farms that abused animals. http://www.peacefulprairie.org/PPS-Lit/Farming_Screen.pdf Was difficult to accept because at the time I was working with local farmers and I was actually considering becoming one myself. Their disrespect for the animals did start to bother me though and I realized I was in the wrong field.

But in general it's just ridiculous to eat animal products and people mostly do it out of habit because it's just always been that way for them. For most people there is no reason to eat animal products and it's been pretty well established that it's healthiest to eat little to no animal products.

>>5548204
>well established that it's healthiest to eat little to no animal products
sources that arent davesvegannews?

I eat meat mostly for the taste though.

>>5547827
How is chocolate not vegan?

>inb4 you think milk chocolate is the only chocolate

>>5548184
No.

>>5548220
There's no shortage of good tastes in vegan food.

I have a ton of sources. Could take me a while to gather them and no one would even read all of them, so for now you can look through this. http://badassu.net/100-scientific-reasons-to-not-eat-meat/

There are many more studies they left out though, and ones that have come out since that page was published, mostly regarding cancer.

>>5548239
>badassu.net
"Life Lessons to Make You into a Badass"
Find Your Place in the Universe

yeah like i said reliable sources

>>5548256
Holy shit are you actually this retarded? Look at the sources listed, moron. My god.

>>5548256
That article is actually full of references to USDA studies and other reputable sources.

Or, are you just being deliberately obtuse? Am I being trolled? Is this what being trolled feels like?

>>5547901
>>5548048
>>5548070
mfw people are taking the bait

>>5548276
See, "trolling," as you've attempted in this thread, is thought of as a funny process, with some sort of payoff. People are led to believe something that you do not mean.

In this case, however, you simply make a poor argument and people call you out. This is not trolling, but rather just being a fool.

>>5548283
how can you tell, on an anonymouse forum, who is who?

pro-tip: that was my first post in this thread.

All vegan foods use pesticides, don't delude yourself. It's not the 14th century, no company is gonna plant thousands of acres of produce and invest millions into it only to have 40% go to waste.

>>5548292
I just assumed that since you were defending the previous post and assuming it was "bait" instead of garden-variety dumbness, that you were the previous poster.

My mistake. There are just two dumb people.

>>5548294
That's blatantly untrue.

>>5548239
It's a bit misleading though. The biggest and most consistent claim against meat being unhealthy is commonly linked to burned/charred pieces of meat rather than the meat itself. Boiling, stewing, or other methods can circumvent the effects and some meat, particularly those with less fat such as poultry or seafood, have little if at all.

The healthiest diet would be the one that offers the most variety, and having meat is part of that. When diets over fixate on one in sacrifice of others, it naturally limits your nutritional sources (and for me one of the smaller source of happiness in life). We're omnivores for a reason and our bodies have adapted quite well to many things.

I agree meat and carbs is typically overemphasized in the western diet, but that doesn't make either the bad guy. If there's anything to shun, it should be those who are outright hostile- whether against vegetables or meat.

Favorite vegan snack is probably french fries with ketchup, or popcorn. I'm vegetarian though.

>>5548308
Keep thinking that.

>>5548313
No. Most claims about meat being unhealthy have nothing to do with how it's cooked. It's what makes up the meat, like proteins. IGF-1, Neu5Gc, arachidonic acid, as some examples...

Don't talk about nutrition ever again.

>>5548332
Arachidonic acid is an important cellular signalling agent. It also makes up ~20% of the fat in your brain and is used in treatment of Alzheimer's...
Your body also synthesizes/breaks down IGF1 all the time (regulated by the same pathways as insulin, stimulated by GH) and it's pretty important for growth (recombinant IGF1 is used to treat dwarfism).

I'm sure that excess amounts can be harmful, as with anything, but your body certainly needs both of these molecules (either synthesized by the body or from a dietary source) and can break them down in reasonable amounts perfectly well.

>>5547801
vegan food is either

1. Boring as fuck

2. Tastes like shit

Most vegans are pretentious faggots too.

Being a female vegan also makes your tits saggy and your ass flat.

>>5548332
go on... you actually seem like you know what you are talking about.

>>5548039
>like the taste of meat
>don't eat meat

its nature, just fucking eat it

>>5548450
If PETA's retarded propaganda (put hot naked chicks in a cage in a public place for some reason) is anything to go by, you're wrong on the female vegan front.

Falafel and shit is pretty good too.

>>5548455
see >>5548409

Vegan food isn't gross. It's just more restrictive. I can eat any vegan's favourite dish, be it cheesecake or black bean burger, but they can't do the same.

>>5548466
I guess I was gonna ask is the issue that arachidonic acid is a precursor to a lot of inflammatory chemicals in humans?

>>5547916
you don't like that?

>>5548070
>>5548050
>>5548048
>>5548039
>>5547901
>>5547858
vegan here. keep in mind that there are some of us who don't like all these fake meats and substitutes.

I eat lots of fruits and vegetables and thats what I love. I don't like anything that tries to be meat, and I don't like meat either.

some people do like that. I don't.

thats my point of view.

>>5548184
olive oil is a very important ingredient in hummus for me.

>>5548294
you silly misinformed person.

I love how /ck/ has a good vegan community because vegans are forced to learn cooking by default

so how many years have you been vegan, anonymous? do you still eat anything non-vegan? I still eat seafood

>>5548239
Some of these sources don't even match up to his summaries.

>Even when looking at endurance athletes, meat eaters’ arteries are thicker (from atherosclerosis plaque) than your average vegan

>Source:Homocysteine, circulating vascular cell adhesion molecule and carotid atherosclerosis in postmenopausal vegetarian women and omnivores. Atherosclerosis 2006 184(2):356 – 362.

>The present study aimed to compare the presence and severity of carotid atherosclerosis (CA), and the blood levels of Vitamin B12, homocysteine (Hcy) and soluble vascular cell adhesion molecule-1 (sVCAM-1) between 57 healthy postmenopausal vegetarians and 61 age-matched omnivores. Carotid atherosclerosis, as measured by ultrasound, was found to be of no significant difference between the two groups. Yet, fasting blood glucose, low-density lipoprotein cholesterol, and Vitamin B12 were significantly lower, while Hcy and sVCAM-1 were higher in the vegetarians as comparing with the omnivores.
>The findings of elevated Hcy in vegetarians indicate the importance of prevention of Vitamin B12 deficiency.

>>5548488
>and I don't like meat
humans are genetically programmed to like meat, its not a matter of opinion

http://strawpoll.me/1988532

Vegan snacks?

>Take naan bread
>Microwave it for 10 seconds to make it nice and soft
>Spread hummus all over it and cut it up with a pizza cutter

That's pretty much all you need

>>5548517
that's not even good bait anon. why don't you just stick to having a cool discussion and stop trying to be a cool troll, those guys are jerks anyway and bothering other people is all that matters to them, so don't embitter your life trying to become something you are not. I pity those who have fallen.

>>5548524
>naan bread

excellent delicious bread but criminally overpriced wallet raping scam

>microwave it

its ruined

>hummus

Yes hummus is so good... wait WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO THAT HUMMUS! YOU RUINED IT BY ADDING IT TO MICROWAVED FOOD

>>5548537

>not using a microwave on principle

>>5548524
fixed

>make my self some pita bread with organic flour
>toast it up
>chop celery, carrots, garlic into small pieces
>mix into hummus with salt pepper and olive oil
>spread on bread
>?????
>youtube.com/watch?v=vca_cKHuiAg

>>5548542
besides turning everything I put into it into denutritionalized cancer promoting chewing gum, i rather just heat my stuff back up on the stove or in the oven.

>>5548552

All the years I wasn't vegan I never realized how amazing and versatile hummus is. You can pretty much put it on anything. People ask how I do without cheese and hummus is really the answer.

>>5548560

Did you notice I said "soft?" That's what you're going for with 10 seconds in the microwave. Works with tortilla shells too. Other heating methods will dry it out, which is fine if that's what you're going for.

I can't tell if I'm being rused, maybe I am.

>>5548568
you are, retard

>>5548568
no roozes bruces gooses I just copy the flan way of doing it and oven it with some water to soften and warm it. no hyperocsillation of water molecules for my food

Fried zucchini.

>>5548560
>denutritionalized
you mean denatured. and it doesnt how you heat it, when you heat/cook you denature proteins. you need to stop reading mommy blogs.
>oxygen is carcinogenic
>you take on more radiation from eating one banana than you do from living within 50 miles of a nuclear power plant
>eating veggies doesnt inherently make you healthy
i swear every unemployed mother is such a retard when it comes to actual health and nutrition

>>5547901
It's kind of like lesbians having buzz cuts and hairy legs.

>>5548409
It pains me that you think you're making a point...

>>5548640
>>denutritionalized
>you mean denatured
I don't think either of you know what you're talking about

>>5548409
these people choose not to practice proper nutrition because of things they dont understand. i dont think dropping this kind of knowledge on them is productive. these are the kinds of people that dont microwave their food cause "it gives you cancer"

>>5548660
>things in meat are bad, eg. x, y, z
>actually x + y aren't bad
>lol wats ur point

Great debating skills guy.

>>5548640
and why would you ever want anyone to take your advice?

oh wait thats because you're a liar.

going to eat extra vegetables tomorrow.

>>5548667
denaturation isnt a very difficult concept.
heat denatures protein. are you trying to say it doesnt?

>>5548332

I don't know shit about nutrition, but at least I know how to read and form my own conclusions.

> http://badassu.net/100-scientific-reasons-to-not-eat-meat/

1. Neu5Gc- From mammalian origin, but isn’t found in poultry and negligible amounts in fish. Likely from excessive red meat consumption. Also, in the paper that was linked, it was discussing moreso of Neu5Gc as an immunogenic response rather than a cause or link to cancer. Of course, it also says that accumulation of Neu5Gc helps tumors escape immunosurveillance response, but this can be used as a form of detection and therapy for the fact that humans don’t produce it naturally. Thus, if we are able to find where the anti-Neu5Gc antipodies cluster together, we can detect it quicker and create a more beneficial therapy.

2. AGEs- Again, primarily from charred or burnt pieces of meat, more specifically red meat. Which can be circumvented through other moist forms of cooking like boiling and stewing. Interesting to note that one of the studies containing a table of selected foods has French fries contaiing more AGEs than canned tuna or microwaved chicken. They also claim oils and nuts were high in dAGEs too. Suppose the fat contact as well as the cooking method plays a rather large part.

1/?

>>5548675
I believe it is healthier to reheat my food in the oven or stove rather than microwave it. that is the way I do it and you will not change my mind.

>>5548690
2/?

3. This study is quite misleading, actually. The study simply finds that the typical omnivorous diet is too high in fat and protein compared to vegetarian diets (which, yeah, it would be since meat and dairy products are the biggest contributor to both) and that is what contributes to negative views. But it was done in a limited trial, over two weeks, and concluded with participant surveys. This could easily be explained by the perceived health benefits from social and cultural constructs, rather than anything biological. Like a psychological placebo effect of ‘I’m eating so healthy~’. And I’m assuming their participants are from random population, which means they’re likely to eat like crap to begin with which emphasizes the placebo effect even moreso.

>the link doesn’t even mention arachidonic acid...
4. Arachidonic acid is an essential fatty acid for the brain, muscles, and liver. Btw, despite that note, there are mixed studies that state supplementing dietary Arachidonic acid may be beneficial, the lack of which stunts growth and immune response and the excess leading to cardiovascular or neurological issues. All agree that there is a balance.

>>5548686
make sure to post your super vegan meal to instagram and facebook. so the nsa can see, were all so interested in your diet

>>5548694

3/3

5. Abstract that was linked didn’t even mention meat, just a high-fat diet effecting serum cholesterol and increased coronary artery risk. Again, high-fat meals may cause your arteries to have fatty plaque. This isn’t against meat, but against excessive high fat diets.

If the rest of the list is as skewed and biased as the first five, I’m quitting now. There’s no point if you’re not going to even read the articles and conclusion to your own damn sources.

The key to nutrition is balance, moderation, and variety along with good exercise to make sure your body is in top physical shape to make the best use of it. Meat can be eliminated, but that narrows down the variety and nutritional sources. You can argue moral and ethical reasons for vegetarian, but don't pull the health card without knowing full well that humans are omnivores. Claiming all meat is bad all the time, when we have developed an evolutionary history of eating it and thriving in it, is simply your own bias.

>>5548693
it will not make a food unhealthier or healthier but more often than not oven or stove would taste better, so by all means continue

>>5547801
It's mostly not too bad, in some cases it's better than the traditional recipe.
It's exclusive, that's what bothers me. People act like it's better when they have eliminated half of the range of food that they once had to choose from.
Tell me this doesn't look delicious.

>>5548675
You fucking morons. You don't understand anything about IGF-1 or arachidonic acid. Just because it's in our bodies and just because we use it doesn't mean it's beneficial for us.
"Protein intake, especially animal protein, is known to be the major dietary determinant of circulating IGF-1 levels. When we consume animal protein, the body increases its production of a hormone called IGF-1 (insulin-like growth factor 1). IGF-1 is one of the body’s important growth promoters early in life, but later in life IGF-1 promotes the aging process. IGF-1 has been shown to promote the growth, proliferation and spread of cancer cells, and elevated IGF-1 levels are linked to increased risk of several cancers.3-7 Our society’s obsession with over-consuming protein is a contributing factor to our epidemic of cancer. In addition to the issue of IGF-1 and cancer, excess protein may negatively affect calcium stores, kidney function and bone health, and promote cardiovascular events.8-10"

>>5548709
but is it gluten free?
>gluten fad is almost as bad as vegan

>>5548715
3. Chitnis MM, Yuen JS, Protheroe AS, et al: The type 1 insulin-like growth factor receptor pathway. Clin Cancer Res 2008;14:6364-6370.
4. Werner H, Bruchim I: The insulin-like growth factor-I receptor as an oncogene. Arch Physiol Biochem 2009;115:58-71.
5. Davies M, Gupta S, Goldspink G, et al: The insulin-like growth factor system and colorectal cancer: clinical and experimental evidence. Int J Colorectal Dis 2006;21:201-208.
6. Sandhu MS, Dunger DB, Giovannucci EL: Insulin, insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I), IGF binding proteins, their biologic interactions, and colorectal cancer. J Natl Cancer Inst 2002;94:972-980.
7. Kaaks R: Nutrition, insulin, IGF-1 metabolism and cancer risk: a summary of epidemiological evidence. Novartis Found Symp 2004;262:247-260; discussion 260-268.
8. Frank H, Graf J, Amann-Gassner U, et al: Effect of short-term high-protein compared with normal-protein diets on renal hemodynamics and associated variables in healthy young men. Am J Clin Nutr 2009;90:1509-1516.
9. Halbesma N, Bakker SJ, Jansen DF, et al: High protein intake associates with cardiovascular events but not with loss of renal function. J Am Soc Nephrol 2009;20:1797-1804.
10. Lagiou P, Sandin S, Lof M, et al: Low carbohydrate-high protein diet and incidence of cardiovascular diseases in Swedish women: prospective cohort study. BMJ 2012;344:e4026.

>>5548715
>you dont know anything about the thing im copy and pasting!!!!1
pls go

>>5548699
Sorry I'm having a hard time believing you read all the studies you're commenting on in that short an amount of time. It will take me hours just go go through your responses so I'm assuming you're copying and pasting from some shit like the Weston A. Price website or a blog of that sort. I don't have time for this right now, especially since based on your previous comments you've deliberately misunderstood information. Maybe later I'll have more patience.

>>5548719
At least link the the places your pulling shit out of.

Before I debunk this whole mess, have you read any of those sources yourself and understood enough to form your own conclusions?

>Just because it's in our bodies and just because we use it doesn't mean it's beneficial for us.
>arachidonic acid
>essential fatty acid
>especially for the brain

You're a great example of why a lack of arachidonic acid is bad.

>>5548728
Copying and pasting from someone with over 25 years experience in the field of nutrition curing people of diseases with the knowledge they've accumulated in a time longer than you've been alive for, and with a list of sources, oh no.

>>5548746
Of course I didn't read all those studies in the link. The first five were the ones I went over and it wasn't difficult to do considering my job and field is all about skimming reports, summarizing the jargon, and pulling up the meaningful facts. Like I said, I know nothing about nutrition, but I know how to read. And the last couple were nothing but abstracts. Did you even look at the sources to make sure they were valid?

>>5548751
Beneficial for us in large amounts*.

And yes, I have read multiple studies about IGF-1.

You're not going to debunk shit. You're just going to try to misinterpret as much as you possibly can in order to suit your bias. Look at you, you're already determined to debunk it even though you haven't read any of the studies.

Stop wasting my time.

>>5548763
God I hate skim readers.

>>5548754
so what youre saying is you dont understand it.

>>5548767
Here's the thing, you're the one who went and copied and pasted these links and studies then backpedaling like hell.

And I'm the one who posted
>>5548690
>>5548694
>>5548699

So excuse me if I have to prepare myself if I'm going to be disappointed in a discussion that is basically you thrusting links at me with parroted twisted claims and me actually reading the sources and seeing a drastically different, if not contrary, conclusion.

>>5548775
Ironic in that you're doing nothing but proving you're not even a skim reader.

Just another unoriginal illiterate mind who does nothing but ad hominem attacks in defense of a stance they feel passion, but little logic, about.

>>5548789
Nooo, you're only seeing a drastically different conclusion because you're skimming for things you can use to suit an argument. You're deliberately misinterpreting studies and trying to confuse people.

Stop skim reading, and stop searching for ways to argue studies and ignoring the reality of their conclusions. Please. You're spreading ignorance and wasting my time. I'm not a skim reader, I like to be more thorough, so each misleading comment you make would take me a long time to thoroughly address. Please. Just stop.

>>5548798
I hate skim readers because they always think they're really intelligent but every single skim reader I've ever met got things so drastically wrong all the time, but they don't even understand how badly they're misinterpreting the things they're reading and even if you thoroughly explain it to them it makes no difference because they'll just skim through your explanation and misunderstand that too. It's a fucking nightmare.

>>5548700
>it will not make a food unhealthier or healthier

I don't agree at all.

>more often than not oven or stove would taste better

okay

>>5548697
someone doesn't like vegetables, and can't stand that other people do....

people complain that some vegans can't shut up about how they are vegan but you are the other side of the whole thing, as soon as anyone mentions eating vegetables you go crazy and make a bunch of hipster assumptions.

reevaluate your life okay.

>>5548922
You're a fucking retard. I bet you're afraid of BPA and teflon too.

>>5548942
thanks for reminding me that I also avoid bpa and teflon. Its my decision and its something that I believe is harmful so I choose to avoid it, and again, you will not change my mind.

It doesn't matter how angry you get or how many insults you toss, you will not intimidate me into using teflon and microwaving my food.

have a nice day.

Favorite vegan snacks are
Banana
Wok veggies
Granola
Quinoa cakes
Burritos
Kale chips

>>5548409

Not the guy you're talking to, but AA and IGF-1 are a lot like cholesterol in that they're necessary in the body but you want as little of them as possible. It's impossible to not have the needed amount, so all you need to worry about is having too much

Personally, I think a few animal products here and there infrequently isn't going to affect anything, but most of the science world shows us that the more whole plant foods you eat and the less animal products you eat, the better your health will be. You can be an "omnivore" and still eat a primarily plant-based diet.

>>5548313

>The healthiest diet would be the one that offers the most variety, and having meat is part of that

Variety is good, but when people say to have a variety of foods in your diet, it's because different plant foods have different beneficial compounds known as phytochemicals. There's over 100,000 of these compounds in plants around the world; some we can't absorb and some we can, many are beneficial in a variety of health-promoting ways though some are neutral. Some of the most well-known are beta-carotene, lycopene, lutein, zeaxanthin and anthocyanins (the antioxidant found in blueberries). This concept doesn't apply to animal products since they don't have any phytochemicals.

>>5548922
not a matter of agreeing or not.but ignorance sure is bliss.

>>5548925
this isnt about eating veggies. i roast carrots and onions all the time, so it would seem like youre the one making assumptions. what im going "crazy" about is that you think cooking meat is unhealthy

>>5549048
>You can be an "omnivore" and still eat a primarily plant-based diet.
Not the Anon you're responding to, but this is what I do. Works great. Lost over 50lbs and got off cholesterol meds with doctor's blessing.

so many unique snowflakes in this thread

>>5549177
you think your opinion is fact, when in fact it is an opinion. I strongly believe what I believe in to be a fact and I base my choices off of the information I have gathered and processed and I will do everything I can to protect myself from what I believe to be dangerous.

we are at an impass as you will not convince me and I will not convince you. I don't care what you think, I won't use bpa, teflon, microwaves, or corn syrup.

>>5549198
I never said anything about meat.

>>5549340
any evidence that microwaves or regular(not hF) corn syrup is bad?

i agree on the other two

>>5549273
grats on the weight and stuff. whatever works best for you.

>>5549340
are you a mom by any chance

>>5549340
An opinion supported by evidence gathered in a methodologically sound manner, unlike yours.

>>5549352
>>5549374
>>5549415

as I said you wont change my mind. I'm not going to give in to the peer pressure and troll tactics and change my way of life to make you happy.

>>5549440
im >>5549352
i was just asking for your reasons

>>5549440
It makes me happy when i help people which is what i'm trying to do for you. It's hardly trolling.

>>5549361
I have no idea what works best. I just know going in for stuff like meat, cheese and/or eggs once a week instead of every day got my middle aged ass trim from borderline obese, and got the doctor off my back about cholesterol. And I can still have a couple glasses of wine whenever I want to. That's good enough for me.

>>5548807
>>5548820

You keep accusing me of misinterpreting and having bias and all sorts of stuff, but you don't even address my posts. All you do is get defensive and question the person, not the points. Your argument literally stems from links and sources that you don't even read or understand in it's entirety. That first link alone I was able to discredit based entirely on reading the abstracts that were provided because he never even linked to the study, just put something in APA format and it was passable as truth. Everything else was just copied and pasted.

Stop dismissing me. Address the points. Meat may be bad in excess, but so is every other goddamn thing. Fat and protein are necessary aspects for a healthy human being and meat/animal products are some of the best ways to get it. Micro nutrients are also necessary aspects of a healthy human being and vegetables/fruits/plants are the best ways to get it. A balance is necessary, not absolute exclusion. Certainly not creating outright lies and misconstructions.

Also hate to play this card as well, but it also depends on the person and their circumstances/goals. A person with a genetic disposition to his cholesterol? Would benefit from eating more plant based meals because, by nature, plants are less likely to contribute. A person who needs to gain weight or muscle? Would benefit from adding more meat or calorie dense animal products.

>>5549459
>"here, let me help you change you're mind so that you will be okay with using the microwave and teflon and corn syrup, I'm helping you so much and making your life easier"

....

>>5549483
why cant you say what you dont like about microwaves and (nonHF) cornsyrup?

>>5549483
Microwaves and Teflon have made my life easier to no detriment. My life is better for these two things existing so they have helped me and there is no evidence otherwise.

>>5549492
>>5549498

I believe they are harmful to the body.

I choose to avoid them, even if you try to present me with evidence that you have found, I have already made my decision and taken those things into consideration and for my own very good reasons I will not reconsider using teflon pans, corn syrup, or the microwave, because I have better and in my opinion safer and more convenient alternatives that work just fine for me.

If someone genuinely wants to know why its bad, maybe I will share it with them, but I can clearly see that you are only interested in trying to make me change my mind to do something I already chose to not do for my own very good reasons and conclusions which I will not pointlessly share with you.

I just wanted to politely tell you off and say that I wont do what I don't want to do, because it sounds like you really want me to do it, probably because you are a shill that wants me to be unhealthy.


have a very very nice day. goodbye.

>>5549514
why do you think regular corn syrup and microwaves are bad for your body though

>>5549514
>and in my opinion safer and more convenient alternatives that work just fine for me.
Your opinion is wrong just so you know.
>probably because you are a shill that wants me to be unhealthy.
A very illogical conclusion, bordering on paranoid delusions.

>>5549525
there isn't any point sharing this here. for a very brief and simple summary of why its bad, you can just search
>why corn syrup is bad
>why teflon is bad
>why microwaves are bad

and then very carefully search through all the crazy tinfoil garbage and make a very logical and educated conclusion for yourself based on the information you have come across.

I wont discuss it here because the conversation will continue to progress with trolls trying any which way to convince me I am wrong. I don't care if they think I am wrong, I know what the truth is and I will act based on the truth and not the deception that they plot.

I will live my life without that which I reject.

I am Not a doctor. Ask your doctor before doing anything.

>>5549470
Not everything is bad in excess. Stop making absolute statements you god damned idiot. You can get plenty of fat and protein from plants and you in no way need it from animal products. Shut the fuck up.

You're a constant stream of bullshit.

>>5549539
wouldnt it be better to search them on their own or ask IS X bad? putting why is x bad will only turn up those results and no evidence to the contrary

when i want to find something out I find out as much as i can from BOTH sides to form an opinion

>>5549534
I used to think that everyone that said something like that was paranoid, but then I stopped being blissfully ignorant and realized that there are bad people out there and they want it all. it is my job to not let them have it all by not letting them have me. if I do not let them have me, and others do not let them have them, then they have not succeeded in having it all because as a result they can not have it all if they do not have every single last piece.

how would you feel if there was no more water on earth, and only soda? no more fruit, only fruit chews?

what kind of world do you want to live in and what kind of world do you want your children to live in?

I will only eat plants to the best of my ability and avoid fluoride and teflon and microwaves and corn syrup, as well as foods from monsanto.

that is my way of life.

don't deal with it

>>5549540
but everything is bad in excess, even water

>>5549548
>I find out as much as i can from BOTH sides to form an opinion

that is what I did, and my conclusions were only reinforced by it.

>>5547801
I don't think it's gross necessarily, I just don't give a shit about your fucking lame agenda and wont patronize people that want to stuff their agenda down my throat.

>>5549539
>the evidence is out there i assure you. You'll have to wade through a ton of bullshit to find it but trust me, i've seen it and know what you should be looking.
>I will not provide anything but the most vague direction for reasons but i'm right
The reason you won't provide it is because you're making shit up or you have no faith that it will not be utterly trounced.

>>5549559
obviously you didnt if you cant give any reasons

>>5549562
you asked me what you wanted to know and you were told where to find it.

I'm not here to convince you, I'm here to not let you convince me.

>>5549577
gg

>>5549577
>I'm not here to convince you, I'm here to not let you convince me.
>4chan

>>5549470

>Fat and protein are necessary aspects for a healthy human being and meat/animal products are some of the best ways to get it.

There's virtually no way to NOT get fat and protein, and plant sources of these things are preferred.

>>5549555
>how would you feel if there was no more water on earth, and only soda? no more fruit, only fruit chews?
Soda requires water as do fruit chews. I would dumbstruck if there were no more water and that i was able to survive whatever event caused this.
>what kind of world do you want to live in and what kind of world do you want your children to live in?
A world without luddites like you and your corrupting influence.

>>5549584
>plant sources of these things are preferred.
by idiots who know nothing of nutrition

>>5549577
>I'm here to not let you convince me.
I would be much less able to convince you if you weren't here.

>>5549577
if you killed yourself youd never run the risk of someone trying to convince you

>>5549597
but then you would have tried to convince someone else.

>>5549604
no one else thinks microwaves are evil or that regular corn syrup is bad

>>5549608
I find comfort in you believing that.

>>5549611
then post some evidence to the contrary

>>5549604
That isn't the reason you gave at first.
>I'm here to not let you convince me.
So you're here to spare others from me? I responded to a statement you first made, if there were other people that shared this belief posting in this thread i would have replied to them as well.

>>5549614
There are probably plenty of idiots that believe that.

>>5549614
I will not.

>>5549616
wherever you look to spread your deception, thou shalt always encounter thy vanguard.

>>5549590

Plant fats are associated with better health than saturated fats, and plant protein doesn't raise IGF-1 levels, induce osteoperosis, or harm your kidneys like animal protein does

>>5549634
who will post no evidence to support their bogus claims

>>5549634
I don't think you're doing a very good job. If anything you're probably helping me spread my "deception" by behaving the way you are.

>>5549660
>>5549666
I reject you.

>>5548229
Actually, chocolate is in general taken down the mountains where they are grown on the backs of donkeys, for some reason this got some vegans titties in a twist, and therefore chocolate, anything involving cocoa beans, is considered non-vegan.

In czech language hummus is a word for that fertilizing thing you got, when you let plants rot.

Vegan here. I have a couple of chronic autoimmune conditions and eating this shit helps keep them in check (along with no gluten or nightshades).
I hate every single one of you assholes who choose to do this out of their own free will and waste your digestive potential.

>>5551473

And most cocao beans are picked by exploited African workers, so if you eat chocolate you can't say you care about other humans

>>5547801
Found out today that I'm allergic to cow-milk.
Might just become vegan anyway, since I don't even like meat. I will miss the fish though
Post some good vegan receipts

>>5551551
http://www.foodispower.org/chocolate-list/

>>5551509
compost

>>5551557
Gardein just came out with some fishless filets. I'm excited to try them even though I never liked fish. I've heard good things.

Here's a vegan tuna-less salad that looks good. Again I haven't tried it though (hard to find the right seaweed).

http://blog.fatfreevegan.com/2010/09/sea-sational-chickpea-salad.html

>>5551548
Cool story bro.

>>5551548

>vegan, no gluten, no nightshades (potatoes, tomatoes, among other things)

dude what the fuck do you even eat
that's like 85% of all edible things

>>5548192
all "animal" life is sacred,

>>5551588

Probably grains that don't contain gluten, beans, nuts, mushrooms, and most vegetables and fruits

>>5549340
>you think your opinion is fact, when in fact it is an opinion.

Sweet then you must inject anti freeze into your bladder everyday.

>>5551594
But mushrooms are animals anon.

>>5548465
>implying those women are vegans
They're paid to do that you retard

>>5548506
>I'm a vegan, I eat seafood

>>5547801
I'm a regular omnivore and I fucking love vegan food.

There's a vegan place in my downtown that is open for breakfast/lunch and then reopens for dinner but on later nights in the week, they're open until 3am.

Their menu is ever changing and very limited, but it is all very tasty. I got a Vegan Quesadilla when I was there, was probably one of the tastiest quesadillas I've ever had in my entire life. And it had vegan "cheese" on it!!!

>>5548506
Oh. Missed this comment somehow.

I've been vegan four years. I eat nothing non-vegan. I used to rarely accidentally eat something non-vegan (things prepared by someone else), but that hasn't happened in ages. I'm pretty strict. The thought of consuming even a trivial amount of animal product bothers me a lot. I don't even like being around the smell of cooked animal because I don't want to ingest any of the particles from it. Makes me sick.

>>5551660
Mmm. I wonder what kind of vegan cheese they used.

I love going to vegan restaurants, it's like going to Disneyland for me.

Vegan cuisine can be a breath of fresh air. Even when they're emulating non-vegan dishes with vegan ingredients, they still taste great and are usually more creative and interesting. The only people who say they don't like vegan cooking are defensive fatties who can't imagine a single meal that doesn't involve meat or cheese.

Typical vegan conversation/thread
>Arguments from nature
>hurr durr if you eat meat imitation products why're you vegan
>speculation about the link between meat and cancer.
I'm not denying some vegans are total cunts, but holy shit, you guys should listen to yourself. You sound exactly like the people you're shitting on.

>>5552089
everything about nature points to us being omnivorous from our ability to run down and catch prey through long distance and literal exhaustion to our cranial development propelling us to the masters of the planet through high fat and protein diets i.e. consuming meat. Not to mention our digestive systems being able to break it down, and our amazing evolutionary trait of lactase persistence.

Vegans spit in the face of all we have clawed our way up to gain.

>>5552112
Even if the science didn't point to a plant based diet being the most beneficial for a variety of reasons, we are killing our species off by eating animal products.

We won't be able to survive on this planet much longer the way things are going. There are too many resources needed to produce animal products, too much pollution. It's not sustainable at all.

>>5552112
Humans lean most towards herbivores biologically.
http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html

>>5552160
Yes, and natural ebbs and flows of civilization will adapt. Being a vegan doesn't do a damn thing to solve any of it, just like not voting doesn't somehow make you above politics by not participating.

>>5552164
why would anyone take that website seriously

>>5552179
I know, but it makes good points and lists sources.

>>5552172
Adapt to become vegan. That's the only realistic solution we have right now.

>>5552192
I actually hope you don't fly, because flying causes climate change, but this website is how I can get your attention on that subject. If you're going to fly anyway, this site will give you the lowdown on exactly how to find cheap airfare on the Internet.

I also like the section titled how not to get hit by cars

>>5552192
only if you think unrealiatically

>>5552199
If it's unrealistic for us to become largely vegan then that means it's more realistic for our species to go extinct.

Oh well. Good riddance I guess.

>>5552245
Spoken like a true simpleton.

>>5547858
I eat these and I'm not even a vegan

>>5548076
>Vegan
>For health reasons.

Top lel.

>>5552245
why would we go extinct if we werent all vegans? overpopulation of pigs, cows and chickens?

>>5552112
>Just pointed out the fallacious arguments used in thread
>continues to use fallacious argument
Okay, on a scale of fucking stupid to retarded...

>>5552172
>Being vegan means you use less Co2 than switching to a hybrid
>Being vegan doesn't do a damn thing to solve it
The thing about it is, politics is mandatory. The example you use is fallacious because all cultures have some form of government. Meat is an industry. We can fix it precisely by not participating in it. It emits more Co2 than all forms of transportation combined, and that's not mentioning the vats of toxic shit

>>5552337
Your individual lack of participation does not change anything. The metaphor was apt.

>>5552351
(I suppose, I should've said simile or idiom, but I don't feel compelled to google)

>>5552351
Explain to me how. Explain to me how, by not buying meat, thus giving less economic incentive to contribute to the environmental damage doesn't change anything. That's like saying not buying a hummer doesn't change anything.

Look, it's your choice to be a vegan, but remember, we evolved out of pure veganism when we evolved the ability to perfectly out-think and out-run (endurance running that is) our prey.

Think of JOHJ. Think of the hardships he went through.

>>5552367
It doesn't you idealistic fool.

>>5552351
The world always changes yet there are still people like you who are too pathetic to acknowledge individual effort.

Describe your lifestyle, employment and education. You sound like you are at the juvenile "I've seen everything" jaded stage of maturity.

>>5552337
I'm not him, but are you fucking dense? Have you not taken economics 101. By not participating, you kill an industry. That's how economics work. That's why there's no [or very little] telegraphs now. People stopped participating.

>>5552371
Gr8 explanation m8.

>>5552380
What explanation do I need? It's simple mathematics that makes your lack of contribution completely insignificant. Have you ever tried critical thought instead of relying on feel-good idealistic sensationalism?

>>5552399
See
>>5552376

>>5552407
That one was stupid as well. Like saying introducing a chemical to an environment has the same effect no matter the parts per unit.

It's the numbers that make the difference.

Not only that, it doesn't even address the fallacious argument of saying veganism and species extinction is the black and white be all and end all, completely disregarding agrarian technology and practices or market forces.

Just no, I refuse to participate any longer in this discussion.

>>5552179

William C. Roberts, the editor-in-chief of the American Journal of Cardiology, also agrees with that idea

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3603726/

>Although most humans consider themselves carnivores or at least omnivores, basically we humans have characteristics of herbivores
>Atherosclerosis is easily produced experimentally in herbivores (monkeys, rabbits) by giving them diets containing large quantities of cholesterol (egg yolks) or saturated fat (animal fat). Indeed, atherosclerosis is one of the easiest diseases to produce experimentally, but the recipient must be an herbivore. It is not possible to produce atherosclerosis in carnivores

>>5552803
Interesting.

>>5547858

I LOVE these. The fake slim jims were good too. Even my boyfriend who ate meat loved these.

>>5547801
Oh look this thread again....

>>5552803
>basically we humans have characteristics of herbivores
I don't agree with him completely

Seriously, I'd love to become a vegan
But fuck, vegan stuff is expensive as fuck.
I bought soy milk today and it cost four times the price of regular milk.
How can you afford vegan lifestyle?

>>5553320
You can be a vegan without buying vegan equivalents for everything.

>>5547827
>>5548229
>>5551473

Chocolate isn't vegan?

>>5553320

Depends on where you can get it. I can get a gallon of soy milk from an asian grocery store for a little under $4. So only maybe a $1-1.50 more than normal milk. Vegan margarine is about the same as regular butter or margarine. But yeah, all the feaux meats and cheese are bs. I eat dairy cheese though because I really like cheese on sandwiches, and I'm too lazy to look for fake cheese. Seitan is a really cheap meat substitute if you make it yourself ($7 for 22 oz bag, which makes a shitload). Other than that, rice, potatoes, lentils, and beans are cheap as hell and very filling.

>>5554394 here

Forgot to say that seitan is made from vital wheat gluten and spices and water/broth. You can also get gluten from rinsing flour in water, but its easier to just buy the gluten yourself.

>>5554394
I just get Daiya when it's on sale. I mostly use it for things like sauces but my sister says she gives her kids Daiya grilled cheeses and they like them more than the ones with dairy cheese.

I also like Follow Your Heart Vegan Mozzarella baked on pizza and lasagna. Would probably be good melted on a sandwich too. Wasn't a fan of their cheddar though when I tried it. It lasts a long time for me so sometimes I'll spend the 4 dollars to get a block of it because it covers like four pizzas.

>>5548103
HAHAHAHAHA that's the realest shit I've ever seen

>>5553320

"Vegan food" is expensive, but food that is vegan is usually very cheap. Most of what you'd be eating is beans and whole grains, and those are the cheapest staple foods in the world, especially dry and in bulk.

Pic related, arguably one of the healthiest foods you can eat, 30 bucks for 4-6 months worth of dinner. And that's organic, with shipping charges included. Your local stores probably have even cheaper selections.

>>5554394

>vegan margarine

Is that like gluten-free soda?

>>5554421

I'm thinking about buying on of the bags of rye flour, but it would take me years to use all that flour, even if I baked a load every week.

>>5554443

It does last a while. I bought a 4-pack of their 7 grain bread flour (20 pounds total, around $32) and its taken me a while to use it all. It's great quality, though. I mix some herbes de provence into mine and keep the dough moist for a solid crust

>vegan
>food

>>5548530
>vegans will actually try to argue agaisnt biology

>>5554429
are you retarded?

>>5548524

I keep it simple and mainly snack on fruits. Bananas, berries, kiwi, dates, or oranges

>>5554421
Nice post.

Three years vegan here. Bulk buying and even better, home grown/harvested products are the way to go.

Nobody want's to take care of someone elts! Grow your own. Over grow will live on.

>>5554394
Soy milk is easy as fuck to make........

Don't buy it. Make it.

>>5547850
If you are female. I want your vag in and around my mouth.

>>5547827

They won't shut up about it because it's important. Maybe you should investigate why it's so important..

>>5555453
maybe you should just let others live their own lives

>>5555460

>>5555477
boo hoo

>>5555477
>Animals are people
maybe you should tell they animals why its important not to eat each other

>>5547801
Oreos are vegan.

Vegan here. Had a matzo cracker with vegenaise and tomato on top as a snack. My new favorite thing.

Vegenaise is so damn good.

>>5555477
Do vegans have an imperative to commit terrorism if animals are moral beings equivalent to humans? It seems veganism can't coexist with humanity if that's the case.

>>5555488

>I am the god-king of humanity and I get to determine what lives have value

>>5555587
hummanity implies humans and the only lives they care about is animal life.

>>5555594

Everyone who owns a pet cares about animal life

>>5555599
>implying only people in the position to own a pet care about animals

>>5555599
I own pets (dogs) but I also have chickens and rabbits and have had pigs in the past. I love them and play with them but I also eat them

>>5555599
I was saying that they only care about animal life but not insects, plants, fungus, bacteria, etc so its stupid to say they dont also determine what lives have value

I'm not a vegan but I've eaten at a handful of vegan places just out of curiosity and/or meeting up with people.

This is probably the best vegan thing trying to emulate a normal dish I've had.

I think it's kinda funny, the people that own a pet dog or cat and say they love animals but they feed their pets meat from a tin that is made from other animals.

>>5555611

>I love them and play with them but I also eat them

Susan Smith loved her kids too

>>5555633
epic analogy bro

>>5555633
The difference is they were humans and she didnt eat them or raise them for food.

>>5555640

Oh what, you think you're better than me just because you don't eat humans? "Hurr durr, this baby had FEELINGS!" Fucking preachy non-cannibals

>>5555645
Am I the only one who thinks that cannibal looks kind of adorable? Something about his eyes and the size of his head in proportion to his body.

>>5555555

>>5555645
Jesus fucking Christ, fuck you for posting that shit. Came to this thread for recipes and food pictures and instead get hours worth of bitching and /b/ gore bullshit. Fuck off.

>>5555717
>coming into a vegan thread on /ck/ for recipes

>>5555683
Why was this deleted but the gore still here?

>>5555720
what was it?

>>5555721
Just some guy linking to the 5555555 get. It was an annoying shitpost, but still a tad more benign than dead babby.

>>5555728
our janitor is shit

>>5553320
don't shop at places that scam you, or learn what is and isn't a scam and shop anywhere you want picking the best deals from each place.

it is absolutely affordable if you know what you are doing.

My buddy's wife is the only tolerable vegan I've ever known. You wouldn't know she was one unless you offered her a meat dish and she politely said she doesn't eat meat as she doesn't horn it in to every conversation regardless of the topic.

The only thing about her veganism that IS annoying is that she doesn't cook with meat for anyone so when my friend wants something with meat he just has to do it himself.

Every other vegan I've met has been the stereotypical one that throws it in your face even if you weren't talking about food

>>5555719
I'm completely new to /ck/, so, that was my bad. I'll avoid these threads like a plague now.

>>5553382
I have no idea what they are talking about but I eat dark chocolate with no milk in it.

>>5554394
I would never EVER buy any soy product unless its organic, its probably the most genetically modified pesticide drenched plant ever, so I get all my soymilk organic.

>>5555505
not true vegan food. vegans eat fruits and vegetables, nuts and seeds etc. Plants.

people who call themselves vegan and eat donuts all the time are junkfood snackatarians who want to sound cool hipster equivalent of... yea.

>>5555744

>its probably the most genetically modified pesticide drenched plant ever

are you under the impression that non genetically modified pesticides are somehow safer or better regulated?

>>5555753

lol wut

vegan has a clear definition, you apparently have your own definition but that doesn't mean that is what the term defines

I'm not even vegan, hell I hate the stupid cunts who won't shut the fuck up whenever I eat meat at a communal dinner, but ffs man

>>5555768
this is what I'm saying
>genetically modified to withstand more pesticides
>way more pesticides than just "plain conventional" added
>and then sold to customers

I can say with complete honesty that I believe that organic soy is safer.

I am Not a doctor. Ask your doctor before doing anything.

if you allergic to soy, or don't like soy, don't eat or drink soy.

please don't be a pain in the butt with this, you wont change my mind and I wont change yours so lets not make this into a discussion.

>>5555771
that's what I strongly believe in.
>go to "vegan" friends house
>snack bars and processed food and coolaid everywhere
>yea bro I'm doing so good at being vegan
>he looks pale and malnourished
>uhh bro you're supposed to eat fruits and vegetables not crap like this...
>huhuh I am bro, see I have pizza
>pizza is a vegetable
>I don't think you are doing this right...

junkfood snackatarian....

>>5555771
its not good enough for simply "absence of meat"
but it must also have VEGetables. lucky charms isn't really the best way to get all your nutrients.

>>5555801

that's not how it's defined though, it's defined by its restrictions

>>5555768
Of course GMO soybean are less safe than non-GMO soybean.

>>5555790

No I love soy, it just drives me nuts when people think "organic" things are healthier are safer when in fact they still use pesticides, and their pesticides are far less stringently regulated than those of non organic foods

>>5555790
>you wont change my mind and I wont change yours

B-but it wouldn't be /ck/ if I didn't argue with you endlessly. Because in the back of my barely postpubescent mind, if I get the last word in, and you stop posting in this thread, I've won the argument and the Internets!

>>5555814
I don't feel like it right now, I understand what you mean though and I am laughing because you explained it so well what goes on...

>>5555809
the name of it is VEGan vegetable. see?

>>5555813
I don't know why shills on /ck/ always try to bring this up (yea your such a shill silly little pain in the butt) but I will always do my best to eat what I know is the safest thing available and right now the best thing for me that I know I can get is organic, and I wont stop eating organic until something even better is available for me.

>>5555813
>and their pesticides are far less stringently regulated than those of non organic foods
Yeah, because neonicotinoid pesticides and glyphosate were so well studied before their commercial release lol

>>5555828

>responding to person who is diagreeing with you but being relatively polite by calling them a shill

this is why people think vegans are cunts

"NOO PLEASE STOP THROWING DIFFERENT OPINIONS AT ME I DON'T WANT TO RESEARCH ANYTHING UNLESS ITS ON NATURALNEWS"

>>5555447
I am. ;)

>>5555836

I thought they were studied for extended periods of time iirc? Also they weren't deemed unsafe for humans.

>>5555523
Have you tried Just Mayo? They sell it at Vons/Safeway now and the price is just like regular mayonnaise price. It's delicious. I like Vegenaise too though.

>>5555741
Poor oppressed meat eater.

>>5555798
The correct term would probably be ethical vegan. Ethical vegans don't necessarily care about their personal health. I'm becoming a bit bitter about the dietary vegan thing. Makes it annoying dealing with omnivores who say I'm not vegan because I don't eat enough vegetables and still eat cookies... Ugh, fuck off.

>>5555930
Troll harder

>>5555877
>"hue hue pls stop eating healthy"

>>5555887


>weren't deemed unsafe for humans.

I wonder why

>>5548763
>>5549470
Hey anon, I appreciate the good work you're doing. What is your job and field?

>>5552192
How about you stop having 2.1 kids instead? I'm an omnivore and I get a good chuckle whenever some vegan with two kids tells me not to eat meat because of the environment.

>>5549555
if anybodys paranoid its you lol
>no fluoride
you probably think chemicals are bad

>>5549737
>>5549634
holy fuck this bitch is a total nut

>>5551557
id put a bit of thought into it if i were you. its actually tough to stick by a vegan diet just cause so many things actually arent vegan. and just make sure you have protein and iron intake.

>>5548192
even the aids virus?
we should stop trying to eradicate diseases everybody. they have feelings!!

>>5555930
>Poor oppressed meat eater.

And vegans wonder why everyone hates them

>>5552160
way too idealistic
you obviously dont know much about agriculture and what something like that would take. what needs to happen is our population to decrease which will happen eventually.
at some points humans will die off en masse and reach equilibrium or we will go extinct. its likely the former. this is the case with literally every organism on earth.

>>5552399
dont bother arguing with them. theyre way to idealistic and have clearly not put much thought or developed much understanding about what theyre talking about

>>5555123
butter and margarine are made from milk which is not vegan.
vegan food is usually the most processed shit around
>artificial eggs
>artificial cheese

>being a vegan
>willingly restricting yourself from eating glorious meat, fish, eggs, milk, cream, butter, cheese, and honey
>pretend you're not missing out on the most delicious fucking foods on earth by making god awful atrocities like tofurky, veggie bacon, and worst of all vegan "cupcakes" and "brownies"
Why.
Literally why.

>>5554747
I don't even know how vegans can go to a cooking board without getting annoyed at all these pictures of meat pizzas and steaks.

>>5555768
gmos are fine, and if they arent theres no evidence of it yet. but there pesticides arent that great

Being a vegan/vegetarian and eating processed foods (besides tofu) makes no sense at all. You might as well call your self a junk food lover.

>>5555771
lol everybody with their own definition
vegans for ya. every vegan wants to be more vegan than the next

>>5555828
That is really really retarded logic. The "veg" in vegan comes from vegetarian. Not vegetable. Plus, even if it did come from vegetable, does that mean a vegan isn't a vegan if they're eating brown rice and beans for dinner? After all, those are grains and legumes, not vegetables.

I know this might be hard to understand, but vegans can be vegans and still eat junk. Veganism is by definition only the act of abstaining from the consumption of animal products. That's it. That is all you have to do to be vegan.

The only vegans/vegetarians that make sense to me are the ones who see some kind of health benefit from doing these diets. I hate when i ask a vegetarian why they are one and they say "because i saw the slaughter houses and stuff".