/ck/ - Food & Cooking

A fruit and a vegetable all at once.

Ketchup

Depends, are you the US Tax Department?

The other one that keeps getting people's jimmies rustled are cucumbers - its cousins in the melon section are considered fruits and the squash/pumpkin section are considered vegetables.

Botanically speaking a fruit produced from angiosperms are a group of ovaries with seeds inside (really watered down definition) so yes, it's a fruit.

In terms of it being a "fruit" like an apple or orange, I still consider it more of a vegetable.

Culinary term: Vegetable

Biological term: Fruit

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>>5520679
its a berry

It's a fruit, it's the same as any other fruit.

>>5520703
You have swayed me.
>Tomatoes are now berries

>>5520712
But it isn't sweet like other fruits

>>5520703
>>5520728
is it a fruit of a vegetable

its a berry!

>berries arent fruit

>>5520696
>I still consider it more of a vegetable.
why?

>>5520730
probably because you eat unripened, green tomatoes that they spray with co2 to get red.

canned tomatoes are the true flavour of ripe tomatoes and taste delicious and a little bit sweet

>>5520738
because food wise its used more like a vegetable than a fruit

>>5520735
Than what is a berry in technical terms?

>>5520738
I believe they meant culinarily speaking

>>5520741

How is a vegetable "used" compared to fruit? Tomatoes aren't like any vegetable

>>5520850
is this a real question

>>5520699
this, it's like how rabbits are technically considered poultry in the culinary world, but biologically that would be bullshit

>>5520864
never head rabbits as poultry. just game

>>5520852

Yes it is, explain how vegetables are "used" the same way tomatoes are. Do you make a sweet sauce out of lettuce? Do you sun dry your broccoli? There's nothing vegetable about a tomato

>>5520887
are they commonly used in main courses and entrees, almost always in savory dishes. fuck so are vegetables and guess what most of the time veggies are you contrarian faggot

>>5520887
How often do you use fruit in a savory dish verses veggie? What about tomatoes?

>>5520893
>>5520898

By your definition, beef is a vegetable

I don't know why the conversation wondering what it is, went beyond this post...
>>5520696
They are both a fruit and berry botanically speaking.

"The botanical definition of a berry is a fleshy fruit produced from a single ovary. Grapes and avocados are two common examples."

"In botany, a fruit is a part of a flowering plant that derives from specific tissues of the flower, one or more ovaries, and in some cases accessory tissues. Fruits are the means by which these plants disseminate seeds. Many of them that bear edible fruits, in particular, have propagated with the movements of humans and animals in a symbiotic relationship as a means for seed dispersal and nutrition, respectively; in fact, humans and many animals have become dependent on fruits as a source of food."
-Source Wikipedia

In a culinary context, it is often used more like a vegetable. It all depends how you're going to use it. Since this is a cooking board the answer is vegetable. In /an/, /sci/ it would be a fruit, a berry.

>>5520898
All the time, such as figs with cheese, orange in meat marinades, raisins in minced meat mixes for stuffing, a lot of fruit is used in "savory" dishes.

It's a fruit. So are olives, avocados, peppers, and coconuts.

I call it a vegetable because some french fucks 200 years ago thought of it as a vegetable.

It has nothing to do with reality. It's sort of like a religion except it matters even less because it doesn't pretend to tell us something essential about the human condition.

i started considering them fruit after i started gardening and grew my first tomatoes.

them and peppers, cucumbers, melons, squash.

botanical definitions became more important than culinary definitions.

>>5520981

>>5521007

>>5520865
that's what I thought too, but apparently they're recognized as a poultry item for a shit ton of reasons that I can't remember

>>5520699
Sexual term: ballgag.

>>5520864
>>5520865
Rabbits are friends, not food!

>>5521142

Rabbits are a fantastic animal. Fuzzy, cute, got some attitude, cuts your grass and super delicious.

>>5521142
Shut up they are delicious

>>5520679
There was a late 1890s Supreme Court decision on whether tomato was a fruit or vegetable.

It made it that far because some sneaky guy was importing tomatoes and the taxes (or teriffs or whatever) were different if you were importing a fruit or vegetable. The guy argued that tomato was a fruit, but the government said it was taxed as a vegetable and has always been taxed as a vegetable. So it made it to the supreme court.

And the court ruled that it was indeed a fruit, but for the purposes of taxes, the government considered it a vegetable

>>5521204
One on the right looks like allie haze

>>5521208
Lohan is probably more of a slut though.

>>5521142
My father lived like a king in communist Poland in the 80s because he had a house outside the city with a big garden, he could grow his own shit and more importantly he could have space for rabbits which were in high demand due to scarcity of meat. He could trade rabbit meat for all sorts of goods and favours. Rabbits are friends and food.

>Is this shit a fruit or a vegetable?

Yes

>>5521204
Since its a fruit, I am going to start putting them in my fruit salad.

copy pasta:


>potato chips
Yes, it is made from a vegetable. There are two types of potato chips. There is a (usually) cold potato chip, also called a potato crisp, which is made from a very thin slice of potato. There are also hot potato chips, also called a fries, which are made from strips of potato.
>popcorn
popcorn is a fruit because corn is a fruit. The botanical definition of fruit is: "The flowering, ripened ovary of a plant that contains seeds". Corn definitely falls into this category, as corn kernels ARE seeds. As a matter of fact, ALL grains are botanical fruits. A lot of botanically fruits are not even edible and some are poisonous.

So, since popcorn are seeds, they are essentially a component of fruit (as all seeds are).

The word "vegetable" does not have a scientific definition. Botanists do not use the word because it is not part of their nomenclature. Broccoli, carrots, celery, potatoes, lettuce.... or anything else you can think of that is normally considered to be a vegetable, are NOT categorized as vegetables in botany.

The term "vegetable" is a generic, culinary term. It simply means "an edible, savory plant". The word "fruit" also has generic, culinary definition. A fruit is a sweet, edible, fleshy structure from a plant.

A chef does not typically use corn (or popcorn) in sweet dishes. So, a chef considers popcorn to be a vegetable. Same with tomatoes, which are considered to be vegetables in the culinary world. Rhubarb and pumpkin are used in both sweet and savory dishes, so a chef considers these to be both fruits and vegetables.

Popcorn can be considered both a fruit and a vegetable, depending on your perspective.

>>5523882

"Fruit" and "vegetable" can both be identified by botanic definitions though. Fruit is, like you said, ovary of the plant, whereas a vegetable is a plant itself. A tomato is a fruit, if the plant the tomato grew from were edible then the tomato plant would be a vegetable. The people who make up categories for these things don't have any reasoning for why they put something in one category, it's just "I feel like it's a vegetable"

vegetable

fruit

>>5523891
>>5523890
samefag

>>5523889
no you idiot it's not a fruit because it's not sweet enough to be a fruit.

http://youtu.be/OTqssZVc-c8

>>5520679
Did you know peanuts are a fruit? So is wheat.

>>5520743
Fruit produced from a single ovary. This includes avocados, pumpkin, watermelon, oranges. But excludes (ironically) strawberries, raspberries, and blackberries.

>>5524004
>Fruits have to be sweet
Then what is a lemon?

>>5521142
/an/, pls.

It's vegetation.

>>5524208
A fruit.

>>5521142
I really want to breed rabbits just for its meat. I haven't tasted rabbit meat though.

Will the answer to this question affect how you prepare it, OP?

>>5524912
its good, really good in soups and stews, people talk about bunny burgers but i have never had one, would like to tho.

depends how you stack them

If something is used like a vegetable that doesn't make it a vegetable

If x is x, and you find x in a pile of y, x is still x.

*spins propeller*