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Hello /ck/

I am new student in PhD program from India in America. I am at top school and we have dinner with faculty at fancy hotels.

I have been to different hotels to eat, and they are very expensive. They give lots of utensils. I did not know how to use them properly. I was embarassed because faculty and students remarked I was using wrong. I want to improve. I have lot of dinners with faculty and industry leaders and want to look good.

Any good guides online on how to use dining etiquette and manners? I read about the different utensils but I think they did some other practices. Like wearing towel on legs, holding utensils in specific manner.

I want to note. In India, we use hands for most meals. I use hands for rice, roti, dahl, curries, chutneys, dosa, idli, etc. I almost never use utensils. I did not know what a fork was. I feel awkward.

Any tips or guides for me will help. Thank you /cooking/

>> No.4740486

Asking this question on /ck/ is just going to get you a lot of angry comments about how manners are meaningless, fuck wine glasses because everyone should only drink beer, and fine dining is a scam. You should consider looking for a website with decent people on it if you have questions about customs in polite society.

The utensils are arranged such that the outer pieces are used with the courses that come first. So, for example, the salad comes before the main, so the salad fork is outside. The soup comes early as well, hence the soup spoon being on the outside.

If someone corrects you, presumably they explained the correct way, yes?

>> No.4740511

>>4740486
Well, one of the students laughing a little. He is friend so he laughed then he told me I was doing it wrong. He never explained but show me how to hold them and use them.

I am vegetarian so it was hard for me to cut the vegetables with my knife since things like pepper had rough skin.

>> No.4740523

>>4740511
Well don't learn from yanks as they are savages. By all means refer to a civilised European for your etiquette enquiries.

>> No.4740526

>>4740473
Start on the outside and work your way in, beginning with the salad/soup spoon for salad/soup, and ending with the desert fork/spoon for desert.
One wine, the darker one, is for drinking; the other is for storing utensils so that cleaning is easier. Make sure you put them into the glass handle-up.

The bound up cloth in the middle is a hankerchief, which is tied around your head to prevent your hair from getting in the food. It's basically a nicer-looking hairnet. There's some fancy folding you can do to make it look better, but as long as your eyes aren't covered and the hankercheif is tied behind your head you'll be alright.

The biggest misstep is probably that the butter and champagne are both decorative. Don't touch them.

Remember that the knife's appearance determines its means of use. Serrated knives are used like saws, and pointy knives are used like daggers. If they gave you a pointy knife, the food's probably easiest to cut by poking holes and tearing.

Follow this, and you should be fine.

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>>4740473
the napkin goes on your lap. a reasonable rule of thumb is to go outwards to in on cutlery. soup spoons and salad forks and soup spoons tend to be on the outside and you move in a cutlery set each course. and hold knife and fork like pic related.
though any one who seriously judges you on your dining etiquette is a pretentious twat

>> No.4740539

>>4740530
This is about as far as etiquette should really go. Don't use the fork as a shovel and really you should have been given a sharper knife if you're being given great fuckoff peppers that splat everywhere when you try to cut them with a regular knife.

>> No.4740556

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g191-c3541/United-States:Customs.Habits.And.Etiquette.html
There's stuff about dining, tipping, and a lot of general everyday stuff here.

>> No.4740576

>>4740530

pointed fingers is rude.

>> No.4740584

> get served food
> lift up plate of food
> dump into mouth
> weep into wine glass

>> No.4740595

Don't lick anything, especially your fingers or plate.
Fuck I hate people that do that

>> No.4740601

>>4740595
what if you're eating ribs

>> No.4740606

>>4740526
>Just tell them, "My hovercraft is full of eels."

>> No.4740607

>>4740473


Serious question, is it also true that Indians wipe their asses with their hands?

>> No.4740609

>>4740607
Here in America, we use our feet.

That's why we wear shoes inside, and to bed.

>> No.4740618

>>4740607
ish, they use their left hand to like splash water on their arse to wash it like a manual bidet. this is why its very bad manners to reach for food with your left hand. right hand is food eating hand.
this is only really true of the big citys though with ridiculous overpopulation and a pretty much paperless society

>> No.4740625

>Chew with mouth closed
>Don't talk with food in your mouth, wait until you've swallowed to answer
>Don't take a bite of food without having replied to something directed at you
>Eat silently, no slurping or burping or whatever else, talking is fine
>No elbows on the table
>Phones should be away when eating, not even on the table, wallets, purses, anything should be away or on the floor, if there's nowhere else to put it (coat
rack) jackets go on the back of your chair
>To get a waiter's attention make eye contact and say excuse me
>Occassionally if you go to an Asian (or other) restaurant you'll be presented with utensiles pertaining to that cuisine and/ or typical silverware, in relaxed settings either is fine, in more formal ones forks are generally better

When in doubt, look to your peers and copy them. Except if it comes to phones or getting the attention of waitstaff, people can be pretty rude in those regards.

>> No.4740636

You should offer Birdy num nums to your dining companions at every opportunity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYCth6-8aYA

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>>4740607
OP here.

Yes, but we do that because we use latrines instead of toiletbowls. My house could not afford a toilet bowl and water so we use the image attached.

Its basically a hole in the ground, and you put minimal water to save water in drought season. It looks nasty, but it feels clean. I also wash hands with soap directly after.

Its not disgusting like people say. Its more clean and prevent disease in bottom area.

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4740693

>>4740662
>it's cleaner
Not Indian, but same here. Water master race reporting in. Nothing wrong with it as long as you're not lazy and stupid enough not to wash your hands afterwards. And it does feel so much cleaner.

You paper fags should at least use a handheld bidet.

>pic related

sage because this is irrelevant to "food and cooking" and the thread in general.

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>>4740693

I'm going to share one of the worst, if not the worst, thing about being this obese - dealing with toilet hygiene. Or rather, the common lack thereof. The mechanics are that I just can't reach to wipe myself. Either fore or aft.
I have a sponge on a stick that I use for wiping aft. Or rather, that my husband uses to wipe me. He is very laid back about it all, but it hurts and embarrasses me to have to have him take care of something so intimate and frankly, disgusting. When he is not at home, I can contort myself just enough to use it. One hand on the tub rim, the other holding the stick. I dig under my huge apron, brace my arm on the toilet rim and squirm a bit. It's not nearly as neat and hygienic as when hubby does it as I have to bring the dirty sponge forward past my fore and belly. There is no "front to back" wiping except when hubby does it.
When I am out of the house, I simply have to do without wiping. We call it having "poopy butt." I can't use the sponge myself since there isn't a tub rim to brace myself on. And family unisex bathrooms are rare. Even if I could use the sponge alone while out, where would I rinse it? At home, I use the tub. I couldn't bear to rinse my sponge at a common bathroom sink and I'm not about to put the sponge in a Ziploc to rinse hours later. Ugh.
I simply do without fore wipes. I don't want to use the sponge that wipes my aft to wipe my fore. So, I wear absorbent cotton underwear when I'm out and sit on a sheet on the couch at home. Only after a shower do I ever feel clean and my underwear is too awful to discuss. I've have a few urinary tract infections in the last couple of years and I get painfully raw at times.

>> No.4741024 [DELETED] 

>>4741013
.........uh...................welp, time to go wash my brain......

>> No.4741034 [DELETED] 

>>4741013
Why don't you fucking exercise instead of putting up with that disgusting "poppy butt".

Oh wait nevermind, you'll probably give me an excuse why you're fat. You're hubby is going to kill himself in the next couple years.

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>> No.4741038 [DELETED] 

>>4741013
i know this sentiment is thrown about 4chan frequently, but you seriously need to kill yourself.
that is the most disgusting thing i've ever read and the mental image you conjured is so horrible that i'd have to suppress the majority of my teenage years to remove it from my memory.
i'm going to assume that you found that story on some website. it's not your duty, for the good of humanity, to find the source of that story, whether real of imaged, and erase it from existence.

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>>4740473
Work from the outside, towards the inside. It may be a pain in the neck to learn them considering how little dining etiquette is regarded with in these days, but it will be helpful for making a decent impression in some conditions. Also-


OH HOLY COW WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THIS THREAD

>> No.4741050

>>4741043
>OH HOLY COW
stop pandering to the indian

>> No.4741054 [DELETED] 

>>4741038
They already did :(

Shortly after I started posting this pasta a few months ago it spread over to that shitpit reddit and they flooded the source blog with hate so she deleted it.

http://lessismorph.blogspot.de/2013/07/tired-of-hate.html

>> No.4741062 [DELETED] 

>>4741054
good. the only think worse than the morbidly obese are the morbidly obese who think whining about it is constructive or welcome.
get a knife and fire up the shop vac.

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>>4740526
I had to read that again to notice when it deviated