/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>4460237
So, hipsters?

I had an English professor who spent the entire semester lecturing on that shit. She made us write our 15 page final on why Monsanto is evil.

>can i get a bean burrito
>NO MEAT

>Organic
This buzzword irks me beyond belief. It's used everyfuckingwhere.

>>4460237
>Molecular "cuisine"
What's wrong about it? There's pretty cool stuff to make with kids.

>>4460259
Spit looks so appetizing mang.

>>4460244
Most sheep need to be forced to hear other views. You retards believe whatever the lobbyists tell you to believe.

>inb4 hurrrr I came to the conclusion on my own without anyone pressuring me

>>4460237
>Soy based meat imitation

Field Roast's meatless sausages taste 100x better than any actual sausage I've had. Give that shit a try, man.

>>4460283
To be clear, I hate the use of these words.

>>4460237
>gais I don't like things that are different
I bet you are overweight and drink soda and fast food.

>>4460271
Haha oh shit, I get it.

http://nakedvegancooking.com/

as a vegetarian I despise shit like this, if you're not gonna eat meat, eating a fake meat almost completely defeats the purpose of it.

It's like saying, I'm not gonna have sex, I'm only gonna fuck anally.

I don't give a fuck about animals either, this shits just retarded and again, defeats the point of not eating meat.

>>4460302
>tumbler

>>4460453
>hating on tumblr
Is this 2010?

>>4460470
>liking tumbler
is this reddit?

>>4460443
And this is why vegans hate vegetarians.

>>4460470
>>>/tumblr/
>>>/rebbit/
>>>/z/

>>4460481
>Dont do things I do without my opinions about it!

>>4460487
All you did was cut out meat. Vegans cut out animal cruelty. You are doing nothing for the cause and you make a mockery of what you clearly don't know shit about just to try to fit in with meat eaters. You're fucking pathetic and a pointless, obnoxious waste of space.

Please don't EVER use the words, "as a vegetarian", to the beginning of a sentence ever again.

>>4460481
If there's one thing that unites meat eaters and vegetarians, it's their general disgust of vegans.

>>4460493
vegetarians and vegans are equally worthless and pathetic

>>4460498
Nope. I actually like vegetarians. Vegans are all shit though.

>>4460493

general lack of brain cells*


Honestly when I talk to you people I feel like I'm in a room of mentally handicapped five year olds. That's how childish and illogical the shit you somehow shamelessly spout is.

As with many white people activities, being vegan/vegetarian enables them to feel as though they are helping the environment AND it gives them a sweet way to feel superior to others. For further evidence, note how the vegetarian world has increasing levels of extemism (no meat, no dairy, no eggs, no fish, nothing that has been cooked, etc).

Much like not watching TV, this makes white people pretty hard to deal with on a day to day basis – having dinner, going to restaurants, having them over to watch political debates all become major challenges as they will talk about how they cannot eat anything and would rather that the meat and cheese be thrown in the garbage than put into their bodies.

>>4460512
As if their aren't other ethnicities that care about animals being tortured their entire lives for your trivial convenience foods...

When you're short of an argument against a certain cause, a surefire way of making yourself feel better about not supporting it is attacking the advocates for feeling too good about their choices. Brilliant.

>>4460521
there*

Sorry, I'm very tired.

>>4460512
Veganism was started by some retarded Brit in the 60s so I think your theory is correct.

>>4460512
Are you kidding? I know of many people of non-white ethnicities that are vegetarian or worse, vegan. It's not a white people thing, it's a first world problem. It's a form of self control and self esteem boosting. It's not central to whites.

>>4460530
Veganism has existed pretty much since the start of civilization.

Fuck, it's getting really hard for me not to lump all meat eaters together as morons.

>>4460534
Factory farming is a first world problem, you're right!

It's actually making me sick how ignorant and obnoxious you people are.

>>4460541
No, it hasn't. Vegetarianism, yes. But veganism is retardedly recent. Most people have no problems with animal milk or honey.

>>4460541
And so has being omnivorous. Your point?

>>4460551
Oh, you're just a gem, aren't you.
Do you think you help whatever feeble case you have by insulting everyone who disagrees with you?
I'm glad we're making you sick. You deserve it, because it's all self-created, by you. Fucking drama queen.

>>4460553
Nope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hi8Ue3tA-Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkRN3ddd0P8

>>4460562
>trying this hard to troll

I'm laughing at the attempt though

>>4460562
Oh another animal abuse apologist telling me I should be nice to them. Gee, maybe you're right. Maybe if I tell you you're all wonderful people for mocking something you know nothing about you'll suddenly grow a conscience!

Man, why didn't I think of that before???


Maybe because it's fucking bullshit and you wouldn't give a shit no matter how much I sugarcoat it for you.

>>4460577
You are a sad and pathetic person. You will spend your life feebly railing against things that you think you understand, while demonizing others who disagree with you, and will come to a fruitless end because no one takes lunatics seriously.

>>4460492
first of all the guy you're responding to isn't me, >>4460443 .

Secondly holy shit you are a retard. Did it ever occur to you that people are vegetarians for reasons other than "hur dur animal abuse". You clearly would have been able to read that I don't care about animals. Some people do it for "animal abuse", some people do it as some sort of diet, some for religious issues, some because they don't like the taste of meat. The only reason I'm a vegetarian is that's how I was raised and I simply can't stand meat, it's an aquired taste. Nothing more, nothing less. Also it saves me a fair bit of money.

Being vegetarian isn't some sort of freedom fighter or religious tier shit, it isn't a change of life but a change of preference in diet.

>>4460586
Tell me what I don't understand about this please.

It's not feeble. And you'll see that in this lifetime if you don't die of cancer first. We will end factory farming. And people like you will be mocked in history as scum.

>>4460594
LOL, trotting out the stupid cancer argument, I see. That's just laughable.
And, FYI, you disgusting human being, I am also against factory farming, but I'm not against eating meat.
People like YOU will be mocked in history as ignorant hystericals.

>>4460274
>hurrrrrr if it's not organic it's EBIL durrrr

>>4460492
Is honey cruel?

>>4460571
I didn't realize civilization was 111 years old.

>>4460242
Kiddo, dont start with a word you dont know what it means...

>>4460594

>>4460591
At what point did you think I implied that people are only vegans or vegetarians because of animal abuse?

And you're a fucking idiot. You made a point to compare yourself to us. Don't. You don't understand our cause and you're just a loud mouth who feels the need to spread their arrogant, ignorant opinions in order to feel accepted by meat eaters.

Honestly, vegetarians I've met (on the internet at least) tend to disgust me more than meat eaters because of the way they apologize for their diet as if it's something to be fucking ashamed of. They always have this snotty attitude about vegans too. "Oh no, I'm not like those crazy vegans who actually care about the cause! I don't care if you fund animal torture for your convenience foods! Live and let live LOL!"

They're fucking obnoxious, and act like their opinion on veganism holds more value somehow because they're vegetarian.

Gets tiring.

>>4460628
Just realized you said that guy wasn't you.

Haven't slept in a few days, sorry.

>>4460594

Factory farming will only increase as automation and genetic engineering become better, soon we will breed the most fattening docile cows in existence, they will smile when cut open. People like you will be seen as nothing more than unproductive losers who the rest of society will openly mock and throw banana peels at as you beg us for our change.

I'll fight to death than let a cultist brainwashed freak like you change our culture into a bunch of pasty, unhealthy vegetable eaters.

>vegans

>>4460609
Vegan blood fights cancer 8x better, dipshit.
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/developing-an-ex-vivo-cancer-proliferation-bioassay/

And there's plenty more evidence where that came from that animal protein causes cancer.

>>4460628
you are the literal definition of crazy vegan retard.

fun fact, animals will die and we'll continue to eat them regardless of what you do. Actually, please, don't eat meat, it just makes it cheaper for those of us that do, hardly though but every penny counts.

>>4460629
It was making a point, because the original comment was that veganism was invented in the 60's. Obviously it's been around much longer than that.

Since the times of Jesus, at least.

>>4460647
>implying they started their veganism when they were a baby

>>4460637
Yeah, no.

Animal agriculture is extremely unsustainable so unless you find a new planet to live on or kill off a large portion of the world, your fucked up fantasy isn't happening.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/vegetarian-2050-190426669.html

>>4460653
>yahoo news
>credible source
>THIS ONE RANDOM SCIENTIST SAYS!!!

Sorry faggot, better luck next time.

>>4460639
>Still not realizing the biggest issue is with torturing animals their entire lives in factory farms

And good luck paying for your food when we stop subsidizing CAFOs.

>>4460656
Just happened to be the first link I grabbed about it, you can google for more information if you actually gave a fuck.

But you'd rather just mock the source so you can feel justified in ignoring it.

>>4460643
A vegan doctor supporting veganism!?!?!? SHOCKING. JUST SHOCKING. Boy, you've really convinced me now, dumbass.

>>4460671

>humas put themselves at the top of the food chain
>the brain is the most important organ, according to the brain
>religion lacks credibility, according to scientists

Yep, bias never existed. How about you shut the fuck up?

>>4460671
Because of course it wouldn't make any sense at all for a doctor who knew the health benefits of veganism to be vegan...

>>4460664

It's not a source, just unsupported speculation. That's the point dipshit. You came to the wrong place if you expected people to circlejerk your faggot bullshit.

>>4460678
>>4460679
Personal bias will always overrule logic in cases of extremism. Vegan is extremism. Extremism in any form is bad.

>>4460682
But post any inane ramblings defending eating meat and you're applauded.

And it is supported, fuckwit.

>>4460683
You have no self-awareness at all.

What about torturing animals their entire lives for convenience foods you have no need for, and slaughtering them when they're just babies, while destroying the environment and putting the health of others at risk, isn't extreme?

Your attempt at logic is such a fucking joke.

Explain how veganism is extreme. (I'm sure I'll regret asking this, but I'm interested if you even thought about it beyond "humens need meet!".)

>>4460696
You have no self-awareness at all.

What about torturing plants their entire lives for convenience foods you have no need for, and slaughtering them when they're just babies, while destroying the environment and putting the health of others at risk, isn't extreme?

>>4460696
You have no self-awareness at all.
You can't into logic.
You don't even understand basic animal care practices.
Let me ask you a question, since you're SUCH a humanitarian.
How many Freedom Cows are you currently taking care of? Freedom sheep? Freedom goats? Freedom pigs? ANY barnyard animals at all? Do you donate money for the care of freed livestock? Do you donate land? Do you do anything besides refuse to eat meat and sit at your computer and BITCH? Another quick question: How will you feel when all those animals are driven into pits and shot and killed because 1. it's not humane to raise them for food, and 2. our government can't support the care and feeding of millions of "liberated" domesticated animals. How will you feel when cattle and sheep are on the endangered animal list? You're only trading one sorrow for another, you fuckwit. You will wind up crying in a corner, while simultaneously vilifying other people who "don't do enough to help". Everyone but you, right?

>>4460683
>thinks objective logic actually exists

lol

>>4460711
Oh look, this "argument".

Did you know everything is made of chemicals? And thousands die from dihydrogen monoxide every year?

>>4460781
>implying not eating animals means you have to actively rescue and care for each one

lol okay

Hyperbole isn't a form of logic, nor does it win arguments.

>>4460803
And so, you made my point. Thanks.

>>4460816
Please tell us how you have managed to subtract your subjective social and personal experiences and biases from your "pure logic".

>>4460811
No, no, you just expect OTHER people to fullfill your dreams, don't you? It's not YOUR responsibility to actually do anything, it's everyone else's, right? You're a fucking cancer.
Oh, and that's not fucking hyperbole, you fucktard, that's reality. Those animals you want so badly to be freed will die, at the hands of men, one way or another. You can sit around and talk shit all day, but you're fucking useless.

>>4460827
Not taking part in the death of the animals is doing something.

I know you think your hyperbole is a convincing argument, but it isn't.

>hurrrr why even get up in the morning if you aren't curing cancer and developing a novel form of energy

>>4460811
Go work on an actual, working livestock farm or ranch for a week, and then come back and talk to us, you fucking moron.

>>4460830
No, it isn't. Because it doesn't solve the problem of animal care and conservation. You're just making a self-centered dietary choice. It's ALL personal with you. You're not helping a single animal. You just "don't want to feel bad". Selfish prick.

I think a balanced diet of animal protein and plants is best. Stop flipping from one extreme to another you insufferable faggots.

>>4460832
Not the person you're talking to, but one of the vegans who's been posting here.

I actually have worked on a farm and for a few years with livestock farmers.

Now fuck off with your lame attempts at insulting the credibility of vegans.

>>4460837
Google 'supply and demand'.

And once we stop artificially inseminating the animals, they'll stop reproducing, genius. If you're talking about some hypothetical situation where somehow miraculously the world goes vegan over night, fuck off.

>>4460847
>Knows little to nothing about nutrition
>Claims "everything in moderation" is best

Sure, it's a balanced diet. If you mean balancing disgusting, cancer and disease inducing animal products with healthful, delicious plants.

>>4460873
Sure, sure you have.

>>4460880
Are you fucking stupid? How much artificial insemination do you actually believe is happening? Do you have any idea how expensive that is? Most farmer's can't afford that. Goddamn you vegans are stupid.

Veganism and Vegetarianism have existed for a long time, Many buddhist monks throughout the centuries have been vegan or vegetarian. While its not strictly prohibited to eat meat, it creates less problems with dealing with the whole "dharma" shit.

>>4460888
Of course if a vegan HAS worked on a farm, you refuse to believe it anyway...

>>4460847
You, I like you. You can stay.

Animal protein is delicious.

Say, would a vegetarian eat a jellyfish? Technically they're just very large plankton...so if it's okay to genocide entire generations of yeast to make bread, it should be okay to eat jellyfish, rite?

>sammich
>nom

>>4460893
Because why believe a troll on /ck/? That's all you guys are. Bullies and trolls. And nothing you want will ever happen.

>>4460891
>many buddhist monks

Which ones?

>>4460889
Have you not heard of factory farming?

Did we just derail off of "Phrases" we hate in cooking?
because I mine would be
>"Gourmet"


It doesn't mean anything!

>>4460909
Have you not heard of stock farming, you piece of shit?

>>4460889

It's easier and cheaper to pay someone to bring their stud bull over and just let him into your pasture for a while. Semen is harvested for artificial insemination, but this tends to be for doing smaller herds, if you've got a 500 head of cows to get pregnant, that's a whole lot of man-hours (no pun intended) to AI the whole lot.

Also cattle farmers harvest bull semen to test the health of the animal, it's essential for stud bulls.

>>4460908
You want me to Name specific monks?
seriously?

Guys..guys...if everyone ate a vegan diet, organic diet based on non-intensive farming, how many acres of rainforest would we need to clear again?

I forget sometimes.

>>4460916
I know, that was my point. Artificial insemination is reserved for creating superior lines or smaller herds, not large scale. It's just more vegan propaganda.

>>4460917
Which sect of Buddhism you moron.

>>4460492
How is milking a cow animal cruelty? Eat shit, it's organic.

>>4460926
What if the cow or whatever animal it's from had trouble excreting that from it's rectum?

That's cruel, mang.

>>4460918
A whoooooole lot less.

>>4460274
>OPEN YOUR MINDS SHEEP
>j-j-just d-d-don't c-c-come to a c-c-conclusion that disagrees with me or else ;_;

Conspiracytards are the biggest hypocrites on 4chan.

>>4460926

Some shady farmers overmilked their animals to the point where it hurt them, then beat the animals when they refused to get in their pens.

Having actually seen an average dairy farm in my country, it's nothing like vegan propaganda says.

>>4460381
ummm

>>4460934
Some pet owners beat their pets. Souls we also ban pet ownership?

>>4460938

>>4460926
www.burgerkingcruelty.com
^just one example and something I happened to remember the url for.

Some more information about dairy for you: http://www.farmsanctuary.org/learn/factory-farming/dairy/

And that's as much as I care to post about it. You can do more research of your own if you want.

>>4460929
I just did some quick researching, according to a Harvard study, if you plant all of Earth's arable land intensively with grains, you can sustain about 10 billion people and that figure starts to drop if you're planting other crops, use non-intensive, organic methods and use non-GMO strains.

In other words, that means that theoretically, veganism is not the solution to solving this issue.

>>4460381
The horrors
>All those scrawny or flabby geeks
>All the dudes are complete social rejects
>As are the women
>The only girl with a halfway decent body has a dick
>Those old dudes
>Those fucking old dudes
Jesus Christ, Vegans.

>>4460237

What's wrong with organic food, vegetables, calling things yummy/delish, or being a vegetarian or vegan?

I agree with the meat imitation, I don't consider soy healthy, but if we're going for taste alone those imitation meats actually do taste really good. More annoying to me than these people are guys like you who consider anything different from his own diet to be 10/10 "I'm going to throw a fit in every thread that isn't about meat" class A rage fuel

>>4460954
Yes some farmers are bad and should be stopped. We're not banning milk because of bad farmers.

>>4460918
"We" don't need to clear-cut any rainforest. Tell the Brazilians to stop razing their shit to the ground.

>>4460961
>Completely ignore that most crops go to feed livestock.

You are a god damned moron.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/vegetarian-water-food-shortage_n_1836273.html

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/660S.long

>>4460964
www.veganbodybuilding.com

>>4460443

>eating a fake meat almost completely defeats the purpose of it.

While I myself don't eat fake meat, why does that defeat the purpose? What do YOU consider the purpose of not eating meat and why does substituting something for it nullify that?

>>4460974
It's widespread and the second link I posted is standard within the industry. Did you even click the link?

>>4460954

Exactly. It's not simply blatant abuse such as workers beating animals that is a problem, but standard practices done to every animal, such as debeaking chickens without anesthetic, not allowing animals any room to move, slaughterhouse failure rates that result in millions of animals slaughtered while still conscious, the list goes on.

You don't have to beat a dairy cow for it to be abuse. Simply not allowing her freedom of movement for the duration of her life, stealing her calves away from her the moment they are born to raise as veal, pumping her full of growth hormone and artificial insemination and milking her like a machine, denying veterinary care to save money...all of that counts as abuse I say.

>>4460964

Welterweight champion of the world, a vegan, disagrees.

>>4460979
>Didn't read the post on what the post was about
> Goes on about crops going to animals

Who's the moron now?

2/10, feel-good class vegan. I'm going to cook myself a steak for dinner.

>>4460926

It's more than milking a cow. Cows, like all mammals, produce milk when they're pregnant. They have to keep the cow pregnant year round (which is extremely stressful in itself of course), and every time she gives birth they take her babies away to either become more milk cows or to kill for veal if they're male. After a short lifetime of this, I think 4 years, the cow is then sent to a slaughterhouse

It's a pretty messed up operation

>>4460989
He's one of the rare few who knows how to into vegan properly.

>>4460991
Muh guilt free dairy:

http://www.bannisterdowns.com.au/our-policies/

>>4460989

Is this guy like the only successful vegan, because I see him posted in every fucking thread.

>>4461178
>every fucking thread

>second time

LOOOOOOOOL

Back in college a girl in our circle of friends went full vegan, she never did tell any of us why. She gradually became hard to deal with, everything from preaching veganism to utterly random statements. Her roommate complained about the stench in the bathroom.
In a few months she had slimmed down so much her bones were becoming visible. Around 4 months she was found dead in her car at the college, vomited blood all over.
We promised each other to eat healthy in her memory and never go vegan.

>>4460989
Can't be more of a mental reject than a bodybuilder.
see captcha

>>4461192

But he's a boxer

>hating on molecular gastronomy

Have you never used a microwave before?

I grew up in Berkeley, CA. The way I understand these arguments in their original form is that FRESH food is better. 'Organic' means it should have less preservatives--obviously FDA standards for labeling are bullshit. 'Local' means that shit is fresher, since it's been trucked less of a distance to get to you. 'Sustainable' is a shitty buzzword, but likely implies the other two. The only thing that matters for you food is that you're using the highest quality, freshest ingredients.

If you're concerned about environmentalism/the end of the world, enact a plan of genocide that will eliminate 1/3 of the global population. Otherwise, look after your food, and make sure its the best it can be.

>>4461244
>enact a plan of genocide

Or, since reducing population drastically is unlikely, how about we all just try to be more responsible with the resources we're given?

And Berkeley has awesome vegetarian and vegan places.

>>4460256
synthetic food is fucking gross though

>vegans acting and looking like retards, thinking it "helps their cause"
>instead they look like retarded radical would-be terrorists
>normal people acting like a group of normal people: some retards, some intelligent
>doesn't fucking matter since they're the majority and they're against animal cruelty anyway so you little, stupid vegans yelling does nothing but piss off the general majority.

vegans are the feminists of cooking industry

>>4460885
>cancer and disease inducing animal products

please oh almighty vegan
tell me
how will eating meat/fish twice a week give me cancer

>>4460847
is the only valid answer
a acid/base balanced diet is the best thing you can do for your body
of course this can be achieved vegan
but I wont give up meat
all I will do is care where it came from and how it was treated, which is pretty easy considering the country I live in.

I fucking hate you extremist fucking cunts so much
not because you are vegan
because you are extremists
go choke on a dick

>>4461247
Being more responsible is also unlikely. Sad and true.

>>4460244


oh god was a he red beared poet?

i forgot his name, it was margrave or something

>>4461331

>>4460284
>>better than ANY SAUSAGE I'VE EVER HAD

knockwurst, brautwurst, bangers, polish sausage, kielbasa, salami,andouille, branschwieger, linguica, pepperoni, chorizo, portugize, mortadella, bolonga, bockwurst, goat


dis nigga says tofu is better.

>>4461362
>brautwurst
>branschwieger

my sides
I love how you americlaps fuck up all german names.
Seriously, love that about you guys.

>>4461373
.>branschwieger


i left out a U and you think im an american...? nice going there mr bean

>>4461373

i love how all yuros are insecure and have to bash USA at all times

>>4461386
braunschweiger
ie =/= ei

>>4461391
let me nitpick, it's early

>>4460381
>http://nakedvegancooking.com/
>Post about being an intersex nudist

Thanks, asshole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DcJFdCmN98s

I fucking lost it at

>"Soooooo yummy"
>"Soooooo delish"