/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>4409263
>This was a place known for its fancy meals

repeat that part about not being a pretentious snob one more time, please.

>>4409263
Well you are. You could have at least tried to food man jeez

>>4409263
I'd love to be all up in your grill for leaving a restaurant over the beer selection but shit, were these beer choices made by 16 year old girls?

>Expecting pleb drink in a 'fancy meal place'
Lel

Why not just have a soft drink or a wine?

Why do you NEED to drink alcohol you fucking spastic cunt?

luckily pretty much everyone up here has good beer selections, except mexican restaurants

>>4409298
What? they had the pleb beers, they didn't have good beers

>Drinking beer with meals
Kill yourself. You're not nearly as refined as you like to think.

>>4409307
Yeah seriously. Beer is just tasteless, empty calories that will rot your mind and make you fat. The quality stuff tastes shit too I'd rather drink one of those piss beers. Restaurants are for eating!

>>4409326
>not liking good things
Its not about refinement, its about consuming things that taste good, and its easily the best choice in most situations

>>4409327
this isn't a serious post right?

Where were you eating that you expected a wide beer selection?
Unless it's a tavern or some other restaurant with a stocked bar I think it's surpassingly unlikely that a restaurant in the USA is going to have a selection of stouts.

>>4409348
>I think it's surpassingly unlikely that a restaurant in the USA is going to have a selection of stouts.
i don't know where you live, sounds like the south, but I would say the majority of restaurants have at least one kind of stout besides Guinness around here. especially until summer comes,

>>4409348
>Where were you eating that you expected a wide beer selection
there are very few places I wouldn't expect to have a good beer selection in 2013

>>4409362
I'm curious what they are, then.

>>4409371
What places I wouldn't expect to?

Ethnic places, mexican restaurants usually have terrible beer selection as was previously mentioned. Likewise I wouldn't expect much from an Asian place. However any american/european centric places I would expect to have a good beer selection these days. I can't even remember the last time I was at a non-mexican/asian place and they didn't have at least a few good beers to pick from

>>4409263

If a place doesn't at least have a keg tapped so they can offer draft, I would do the same, in certain situations. Depends on the reason for going out.

My question would be... why did you end up at this shit hole, if you obviously wanted a good beer? Seems like you should have urban spooned or called ahead instead of wasting your time trying a new joint you didn't know about.

>>4409354

I live in the south and there are lots of micro breweries where you can buy a home made stout.

Stout is more of a winter beer though. OP needs to start celebrating the fact that summer is all up in dis piece, and start drinking some wheat beers.

>>4409263
>Stella Artois

This is not an incredibly bad beer.

people who say you can't have beer with a fancy meal are obviously American and/or oblivious to the fact that there are hundreds of amazing beers from all over the world that go great with any hearty meal.

>>4409390
>fact that there are hundreds of amazing beers from all over the world
most of which come from america, its not the 80s anymore

>>4409384
>OP needs to start celebrating the fact that summer is all up in dis piece
but its 29F and I have a dusting of snow from last night

>>4409384
>I live in the south and there are lots of micro breweries where you can buy a home made stout.
You can certainly find good beer in the south if you know where to look, but its definitely less common there

>>4409400

It's hot, man, you don't want to be drinking heavy shit.

Though locally there is one brewery I really like (not the guy you're responding to by the way) called Coast. Their Kolsch is delicious, in my opinion.

>>4409263
>"Whats stout"
oh god lol, I lost it

>>4409263
>fancy meals
>getting upset when they don't have fucking stout

Beer people are the worst. They try to act snobby but they don't really know how, but that doesn't stop them from being opinionated about their ignorance.

>>4409263
>fancy restaurant
>beer
Don't even.

>>4409263
>leaving a restaurant because they don't have the fanciest pleb drink available
>not a snob
>not also a pleb

Nah, fuck you dude. If I was your "girl" I'd have been embarrassed as fuck to be with you.

>>4409263

What the fuck would you do if you went to a really nice French restaurant or something and they didn't have any beer at all? Throw a sissy fit and leave?

I bet at you consider a restaurant 'fancy' if it has $10-20 meals and 'gourmet' burgers and 90% deep fried food.

>>4409395
I'm German and I have never had anything from a US microbrewery, but I assure you that most of our non-Beck's-tier beer is amazing. But the brands mentioned in OP's post are definitely pisswater. Can you recommend me a few good American brands?

>>4409537
Avery, Left Hand, and New Belgium

This is how annoying and retarded beer snobs really are.
And you wonder why normal people don't like you.

>>4409537

There are so many it's hard to really just name some, I'm not a huge beer snob so I won't pretend to have refined taste. Also Becks in the US is made in the US these days.

every restaurant in san diego county worth anything has at least a craft ipa, pale, and stout.

I've never been in a restaurant that didn't serve trappist ales. Feels good mane.

>>4410047
>I don't have a passport and I have never left my home town

>>4409537
I don't know about all of usa, but in virginia best three breweries are
port city
dominion
star hill

This list doesn't do it for me, I need something foreign and expensive.

I could charge sir 9 dollars for a heineken.

I'll take it.

I'm in Inland NWUS, anywhere that serves beer will have at at least one or two mid-tier ales on tap, and usually good local micro stuff.

> drinking beer

>>4410372
>Being this much of an autistic faggot.
Sorry dude, minor threat still sucks just as hard as they ever did.

>>4410047
sooo...ya don't get out much, do ya?

>>4409537
This is just from Oregon: Bridgeport, Ninkasi, Three Creeks, Ten Barrel, Widmer, Heater-Allen, Full Sail and Laurelwood brewing make a variety of beers that are all over the map in terms of price point and style.

>>4410376

> being this aggressive towards someone because they don't enjoy a beverage

>>4410393
>look ma, I'm hating beer and posting shit reaction images on 4chan
Livin' the life, bro. Livin' the life.

>>4410403

> ad hominem

Coolio bro. Keep unnecessarily censoring my opinion because it hurts your feelings.

>>4410410
Keep projecting bro, always works on 4chan. Sorry your feelings are hurt, maybe you should relax with a beer?

>>4409263

Those are the regular beers. You stop being a pretentious cunt and drink the regular beers with your normal friends. You do have friends, right?

>>4410410
>censoring
Oh god there go my sides.

I went to an Irish Pub and left because of their disgusting wine selection. 15$ bottles? Might as well just go to the fucking soup kitchen down the road and beg for some boiled shit. Pretentious cunt.

>>4410420

I don't think you know what projecting means but if that helps you feel more secure about your tastes then good, I'm happy for you.

>>4410452
Nope, I do, but your pseudo-intellectualism is precious. Public schools, yes?

>>4409263
A real 'fancy meal place' (WTF does that even mean?) will have a wine cellar with over 20 choices. Not 10 obscure beer taps on a bar.

>>4410470
>Private school ubermensch reporting in

>>4410452
>I don't think you know what projecting means
...says the guy who called somebody disagreeing with him on an anonymous image board "censoring."

>A few weeks back my lovely lady and I

>So I looked at the missus said "Lets go eat somewhere else" and we left.

>>4409263
I like Heineken so that' would have been enough to get me to stay and give the place a chance to redeem itself with the food

People that think beer is a uberpremium highly luxurious good are almost as bad as those coffee fanatic hipsters with their soy milk latte frappoccino. Fuck both and enjoy your drink.

>>4410486
Beer has the most potential of any alcoholic beverage. The best beers in the world are the best beverages in the world

>What's stout?

Did he have down syndrome or something?

This reminds me of the time i was in some bar in Indianapolis, for some reason their beer selection was not visible and it was loud as shit so for simplicity's sake I asked the bartender what their best beer was.
He said Red Stripe

>>4410495
Um, okay. Thanks for that, I'm sure it's a very valid opinion on whatever planet you're from, but you're weak link is that we're on earth.

Oh cool, a beer thread.

What do you guys think of Dogfish Head? Good stuff? Looking to try something new tonight, not sure what I'm gonna get however...

>>4410507
What the hell could possibly be better?

>>4410486
Beer denialists are the worst kind of people, besides people who drink Bud Light

>>4409263
Hey OP, I've done that too. I like a halfway decent beer with or before my meal. If the restaurant can't supply that, they don't deserve my money.

>>4410376
Minor Threat rules. You shut your faggot mouth.

>>4409374
Most asian places carry Sapporo. I'm happy with that.

>>4410517
Well gee, how about whiskey, brandy, tequilla or any other spirit that brings beaucoup bucks when you get into the high end of the scale? Beer is nice, but an artisinal ale has nothing on a good cognac. Just sayin.

>>4409354

Not that guy, but I live in the south/southwest (Oklahoma) and restaurants around here usually have fairly broad beer selections from a lot of local breweries and almost always have at least one or two stouts (most often Bellhaven and Guinness).

Although to be fair, the only local beers that are worthwhile are wheat beers; Oklahoma can't figure out any other kind of beer worth shit for some reason.

>>4409263
OP, don't listen to these haters. People on /ck/ are, ironically, some of the most ignorant and least informed when it comes to issues of food/drink.

You made the right move. The logic behind it is that if a restaurant can't be bothered to provide quality beers, they probably haven't taken the time to provide quality ingredients for their food.

Having Corona/Bud/Miller etc is akin to using frozen foods and microwaving them.

If, on the other hand, you find a restaurant offering local craft beers, they probably care enough to provide quality food as well.

>>4410545

So because these shitstains that overcharge for diesel fuel that has 1/50th the complexity of the most amazing beers that makes them good? It's all about the history. Spirits are so expensive because they've developed that way, it has nothing to do with their quality.

Beer has been a staple of human existence and therefore cheaper. This doesn't detract from what it can be, because it can be almost anything. You can get beers that span the spectrum from dark, roasty, chocolatey, and boozy all the way to light, citrusy, piney, and crisp. Hell, you can even get Flanders Red's that compete with the most expensive red wines.

>>4409263
I don't drink beer, so no, I've never left a restaurant because they have a bad beer menu.

>>4410572
This. 100%.
Even the shit looking bar down my street provides local craft beer. Their food is fucking incredible.

>>4409263

>This was a place known for its fancy meals

And beer isn't a fancy meal. Stop being an obnoxious alcoholic and just enjoy something sober for once

>>4410472
one of my favorite Italian places has about 200 wines on the list from $35 to a significant percent of my monthly income, and Stella.

the Stella is kept around to appease the human turds who insist on asking for beer with a good meal. I have no idea why they bother.

>>4410616

Right, because wine hasn't been built up to be some unnecessarily pricey and "fancy" beverage that has little to nothing to do with the abilities of humans, and is all a product of "well this beautiful red wine comes from the right bank of the Rhone Valley and therefore is worth 3 times that of any from the left bank."

There is nothing that wine does that beer can't do, and can't do better. Beer is a beverage that is the product of humans being creative in a scientific and culinary manner. Show me any French grape farmer that has the ability and intelligence to make a drink as versatile as beer. Just because people who enjoy beer don't expect to pay stupid amounts of money doesn't mean it's not a quality drink.

>>4410616
>being this ignorant of true beer culture

>>4410638
I'm not going to address your amusingly defensive and most likely self contradictory defense of beer (are you the neckbeard who earlier whined that beer "can be just as expensive as wine"?)

the problem is I don't want to drink fucking bubbly grain beverages with s good meal.

they are two totally different drinks and you beer dweebs need to get over your insecurity and accept that.

>>4410663
>they are two totally different drinks and you beer dweebs need to get over your insecurity and accept that.

I think most beer advocates PROUDLY accept that. It's the wine snobs that have some kind of inferiority complex, probably because they've realized their preferred drink is not as versatile, and is not refreshing at all.

>the problem is I don't want to drink fucking bubbly grain beverages with s good meal.

Good for you, faggot, but a lot of people do. I'd bet good money you've never even had truly good beer.

>>4410663
>being this pleb

>>4410672
classic. I swill dogshit head and kbs with the rest of you when I want. it's OK to like more than one thing, but I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand nuance.

>>4410663

>the problem is I don't want to drink fucking bubbly grain beverages with s good meal.

So glad that you're here to enforce your opinion and make sure I know my favorite beverage is shit instead of actually participating in the debate. Cool ad hominem though, it really gets your point across. I'm totally the insecure one here, not you.

>>4410684
>having a single favorite food or beverage

so typical of "beer guys". you probably listen to one song on infinite replay too.

>>4410680
>implying the intense beers you mentioned are even an example of nuance

american microbrews are great, but they are not really the epitome of nuance. for that, you should look to germany and belgium for lagers and ales respectively. they'll put the "nuance" of the wine world to shame.

>>4409263
>This was a place known for its fancy meals and all they had was that crap.

If you went to have a fancy dinner then yeah, that's acceptable. Although I probably would have just had a heine or stella and been done with it unless the food didn't look that good either.

>>4410695
more strawman i see

but seriously, WHAT? where did you even get that ridiculous notion in the first place. Wine faggot is the only one talking about a particularly drink being unworthy of her palate.

Most "beer guys" are a hell of a lot more laid-back and open-minded than their limp-wristed wine counterparts.

>>4410703

I'm "wine faggot". I never said anything was unworthy of my palate. you guys are the ones doing that. I'm talking about what goes with what. I don't insist on drinking wine at a tailgate party, and I don't fucking get up and leave a restaurant because it didn't have guinness or rasputin or whatever the fuck. there is a particular type of restaurant that will specialize in good beer, and if you can't tell from a few basic clues what you're in for when you plan a reservation, you have no business trying to be a snob about drinking, period.

>>4410722
amen

>>4410722
>>4410766

all that samefagging

>>4410722
my point is that things are changing. maybe 30 years ago an upper class restaurant could get away with having only shit beer.

but, in the last 30 years in the US there has been nothing short of a boom in microbrewing. every single state in the nation has craft beers, and most are damn good. similarly, people's tastes have been changing. wine is the old. doesn't mean it's still not legit, just that it is the old guard. craft beer is the future and it is here to stay.

consumers should continue voting with their wallets and refuse to patronize restaurants that stick with BMC (bud/miller/coors) products

>>4410828

What is an "upper class restaurant"? One of those godawful country club type places in the suburbs that tries to be everything to everyone, down to having sushi, croque madames, tapas, an elaborate kids menu, "gourmet" pizza, and a ramp for the electric wheelchair set?

A small restaurant in a big city usually needs to pick and choose. One place can have a great beer selection and a shit wine selection. Another can have an amazing wine cellar and no beer. It depends on what kind of food they're serving, and what the owner wants to do. Most of the time, unless it's one of those americana or british isles gastropub dealies, beer loses out. And I'm fine with this. Different foods go with different things.

Pic related, it's what comes to mind when I read your comment about trying to micromanage what restaurants people go to.

>>4410845
you swear like it's THAT fucking hard to get 1-4 good microbrews on tap.. Barely costs anything. It's not like it's some enormous sacrifice that needs to be made. Few thousand bucks and you have a fucking money tree sitting in your bar, plus people love it.

Doesn't need to have 20+ beers on tap, although many are going that route as well. Honestly, if I walk into a more upscale restaurant and they have even just one or two craft beers on tap, I'll stay on account of that.

>>4410848

Does that imply that you'd walk out if they didn't have any craft brews on tap, but only wine?

What if it was a sushi bar that only had a couple of beers by the bottle, and a huge list of jizake?

Why are you so obsessed with having beer "win"? Don't you like variety?

I don't drink beer but I do feel your pain. When you really want a very common type of drink, it's awful when a supposedly classy restaurant doesn't have it. Bonus rage points for it being an area renowned for x drink and they don't have it.

>>4410506
Oh christ

kill me

All my friends drunk that, Fosters, and Kronenborg exclusively back in high school. I wish I'd killed them all then honestly. piss water is not even an exaggeration, and they slug it down and love it. What the fuck

>>4410857
nah, if they have ONLY wine, I'd most likely stay and have wine. Or water.

But if they have only BMC-type beers, it's a red flag for me and I usually leave because, as I said earlier, it's an indication of the level of detail and devotion to quality of their restaurant - namely, a very low one, and the food will probably reflect that.

Ethnic niche-type places are a little different, but, depending on the city, their beer selection will still go into my decision.

>>4409348
OP lives in Australia.

>>4409327

Incidentally the silicon in beer will help bone health. Incidentally you wouldn't get fat unless you were a lazy fucktard.

>>4409537
Minotts black star is alright. can you recommend me a german beer? I've only had becks. How is saint pauli girl?

No, but I once left a Chipotle after looking at the food menu.

>>4409569
THis nigga knows. San Diego Master Race

>>4409263
/first world problems
//no, seriously, you are a fucking queer
///you're a moron......why make a thread about this? to confirm how big of a douche you are?

>>4409348
A stout...not a SELECTION of stouts.;.....A stout....can you read?

>drinking beer

Enjoy your beer gut.

>>4411709
>>4409569
>southern california in charge of craft brews

sorry, i'll be up in oregon, drunk and laughing at you

24 year old brit who's never liked beer before here. I started part time work at a pub recently while at uni and I've finally taken to beer. I'm still not completely in love with it, but I'm learning to enjoy it. Mostly been drinking Guinness and random local ales, Still can't stand lagers like fosters/stella/carling though.

The only American beer we have on draught is Blue Moon, not tried it yet, any good? Also what about Erdinger, if there's any germans about?

Any must try beers you can think of? Both American and British, my girlfriend is from Philly so I'm there fairly often. Yuengling's nice.

>>4413656
>>4413656
Blue Moon is pretty good. If you've never had a wheat beer, I definitely would choose that over Erdinger, which I feel is only passable.

If you aren't into lagers yet, try some of the more reputable German lagers, they're a lot better than the most popular British/American/Belgian lagers like the ones you listed. Just beware of imports in clear or green bottles, some skunkiness is fine but might ruin your experience. Yuengling is a lager, so there's at least one you can tolerate.

>>4413656
Blue Moon is fine, Fat Tire is its closest craft brew competitor (and also good).

Both are locally brewed, so I'm a bit biased.

>>4413613

>I'm incapable of doing anything in moderation.

>>4413656

>Blue Moon.

I've always considered it a nice entry-level beer but I know some who hate it.

>>4413656
>>4413878
>>4413922
>>4414096

Blue Moon is a Coors beer.

>>4414699
>someone mentions blue moon
>OH OH OH PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME
>IT'S D-D-D-D-D-DOMESTIC!!!! M-M-ACROOOO!!!!

Why is it always with Blue Moon? Babby's first beer trivia?

>>4414769
COOOOOOOOOOOORS

Hey OP,

I like Heineken. Rest is shite though.

>>4410430
Why on earth would you go to an Irish pub to drink wine, though?

>>4414809
I am finding it hard to think of any situation where win would be a reasonable choice over craft beer.

>>4409324
fine dining and beer do not mix you pleb.

they probably had an extensive wine selection.

>>4414816
>fine dining and beer do not mix you pleb.
Maybe if you area 60 year old women.

Get with the times, wine used to be associated with fancy meals because good beer used to be hard to find. This is obviously no longer the case, stop living in the past

>>4414817
i'm not living in the past. i love beer and hate wine. but im not oblivious to the fact that it's far more likely for a nice restaurant to have a lot of wine than a lot of beer.

>>4414822
>but im not oblivious to the fact that it's far more likely for a nice restaurant to have a lot of wine than a lot of beer.
any good restaurant should have a sizable selection of both

>>4414823
there are plenty of good restaurants that serve neither. stop trying to fit everything into your own little box please.

>>4414828
>there are plenty of good restaurants that serve neither.
No there are not. Very few restaurants good or bad carry neither, what are you even referring to?

>>4414828
>restaurants that serve neither.
Those are called fast food restaurants

>>4414834
>>4414838
restaurants run by people who dont want to serve alcohol for whatever reason (religion for example). vegan places (yeah yeah i know vegans bad). places that are located where it's a pain in the ass to get a liquor license.

have you people never left your own town or something? or do you just rate your "good" restaurants by what you read in reviews? alcohol might be largely ingrained in food culture, but plenty of great places flourish without it.

>>4414839
>vegan places
Vegan places don't serve alcohol?

Do they consider yeast to have human emotions too or something?

>>4414841
well a lot of them dont (at least ones ive been to), but i dont think it's actually a part of veganism.

>>4414839
>have you people never left your own town or something
Sorry, I haven't spent much time in the deep south or at vegan places
Around here and everywhere even remotely close to here alcohol is pretty much a staple at non-fast food restaurants
and if vegan places don't have alcohol that makes me even less likely to go

>>4414844
It's not just the deep south, I know several Indian restaurants in my area that are owned by Muslims and don't serve alcohol. A few of them allow you to bring your own in, though.

>>4414844
>implying vegan food cant be delicious

also, this is correct-

>>4414846
muslims dont do booze, and their restaurants are fine (and they get by without pork too)

>my lovely lady
>So I looked at the missus said "Lets go eat somewhere else"
>now when I phone up to book a table I ask what beer they serve.
You sound pretentious as fuck.

>>4414851
>>implying vegan food cant be delicious
Its not that it can't be good, its that a non-vegan alternative will be even better

>>4414856
And blacks can be doctors. Doesn't change the fact that most of them aren't, just like it doesn't change the fact that most food labeled as vegan is total twat-rubbish.

>>4414856
yeah let me know how your non vegan falafel tastes

>>4414859
im sure cheese would make it taste better

>>4414859
See, I wouldn't consider falafel vegan, personally. My culture and cuisine has lots of animal-product-free dishes, but I wouldn't call them vegan because they weren't specifically created to accomodate someone's decision to limit his/her diet for no good reason.
Vegan cuisine, I'd think, would be more akin to, say, veggie burgers and grilled barbecue seitan wraps with miso tofu dressing. That sort of thing.

And falafel is only good when its made by non-vegans. Vegans ruin everything, even dishes that are traditionally animal-product-free to begin with. They always want to add shit that doesn't belong there, like tofu or seitan or tempeh or something.

>>4414865
Only if its pickled cheese. Falafel and pickled cheese sandwich is fan-fucking-tastic.

>>4414865
seems to me like that might be a bit much. though feta might be nice.

>>4414868
id just like to say that i hate vegans just as much as anyone else. but i wouldnt define veganism like that. no animal products, basically. but i can agree to disagree. all the good vegan dishes i like are stuff you probably wouldnt really consider vegan (indian food, mostly)

>>4409400
>less common there (in the south)

Yeah, we just happen to have more micro breweries than the North.... no big deal.

>>4414870
Yeah, probably not. I'm not going to fight tooth and nail over other people's understanding of the word. That said, many of my favourite foods, both from my culture and from others, are animal-product-free, and this is fine. What I really don't understand is the penchant veganism has for adding things where they don't belong.

For example, a vegan restaurant just opened last summer beneath my old apartment (I bought a house in the area, recently, huzzah). They serve a lot of things from my native cuisine, which I found bizarre because it's relatively unknown here in America. So, I pop in and try their pasta with pumpkin. Behold! Bits of sautéed tempeh! Oh, and what's this? The green salad has crisp-fried tofu in it? You don't say!

Even if it's not some TVP or soy product placed where it doesn't belong, it'll be something else. A coworker of mine years ago was a vegan and he loved my lentil soup and asked for a recipe. Gave him one. I guess he couldn't fathom it being that simple because when he made it, he sautéed some onion, celery and carrot and built the soup on that. He then wondered why the soup didn't taste like mine and why it was overly sweet. Ugh. To counteract this sweetness he added... pickled fucking tofu.

I never even heard of vegans before getting a place in America. I think they're a band of bloodless ghouls sent to destroy good food wherever they go with their seitanic additions to traditional cuisine.

>>4414870
rice and beans arent vegan

they're fucking rice and beans, and happen to be animal product free

>>4414885
things dont have to fit into a single category, you know

a person who does the whole vegan thing can eat rice and beans. therefore, the meal counts as vegan ("vegan friendly" if you wanna get all PR about it)

>>4414879
yeah see these kinds of vegans are the ones i hate. id much prefer to just eat a dish as intended, but obviously those assholes need something to replace the meat that they crave (despite refusing to eat). however, a nice indian family across the street can make an entire multi-course meal using no animal products at all. sad that these morons cant learn.

>pickled tofu in soup

how horrifying. does he not understand salt?

>>4409263
You were lucky OP. At least they had more than one shitty beer. I also heard Stella Artois is drinkable.
Try going to a resaurant where there's not even beer on the menu, and when you ask they say: uhm, we have Heineken on tap...

On the other hand, you can't expect every restaurant to have a whole menu of belgian beers.

Also:
>stout
see picture.

>>4414876
>Yeah, we just happen to have more micro breweries than the North
Pretty sure thats not true. Its not even remotely close

>>4414906
Glorious Union confirmed for having the best beers with the most variety

>>4414909
Its basically all the Upper Midwest and New England, the lower midwest and Midatlantic are almost as bad as the south

>>4414895
Though not native to my cuisine, I love tofu. I cook with it fairly often, actually. However, it doesn't belong in ragù nor does it belong in mole so I don't put it there.
Vegans need to understand that just as there are some dishes that shouldn't be made with animal-products (such as falafel, buddha's delight and pasta with pumpkin), there are also foods that shouldn't be made without them (such as mayonnaise, saltimbocca and pad bai horap'ha).
Vegan mayonnaise sucks, TVP and seitan are no replacement for veal and ham and tofu tastes like crap served with fried Thai basil.

>>4414906
North
>5 people
>20 breweries

South
>200 million people
>900 breweries
there u go

>>4414921

>being this retarded

The South.

>>4414952
corn, tornadoes and seattle dwellers do not count as people

>>4414963
california has the most people (by far) and the most craft breweries.

I've done the same thing OP . Bro fist

>>4414952
>Maine has a whole 20 microbreweries
>Texas has between 156 and 260 microbreweries

Per Capita=/= total number

>>4413656

If you like the more complex flavors that are often found in ales but would like to try more lagers, look for some Bocks, Doppelbocks, and Dunkels, and really any lagers from Germany that have a good history behind them (especially styles from Munich). They're darker lagers that generally have a more interesting grain bill leading to a more enjoyable beer.

I did the typical beer "geek" lager into ale and then scoff at lager until I had a proper doppelbock. They are truly amazing beers.

>>4414769
because blue moon fucking markets itself as a craft beer, and it's complete bullshit.

leave it to BMC shills to attempt to demonize people's attempts to simply EDUCATE people about what they're putting into their bodies.

I don't drink beer

I don't drink alcohol

>>4414769
>criticizing people who make legitimate points regarding the monopolization of foods
>stay sheep

i don't drink

so what is the point of this post?

>>4416402
i dont know, what's the fucking point of this board, to banter on about food and shit, which is exactly what OP facilitated

>>4416402

OP wants to know if you are an aspie as well cause he is lonely.

>>4416404
>care about quality of beverage at restaurant
>aspie

sure is nonsequitir today

>>4416387
>BMC shills

You neckbeers sure have an active inner fantasy life.

I think the real reason you get so mad about Blue Moon is because it's such a likeable beer. God forbid a beer be drinkable and delicious.

Leave it to unbearable beerfags to make beer drinking an e-peen contest rather than a joy.

>>4416440
>confirmed for never having had another wheat beer in your life

sure, blue moon is considered "likeable" by many people. guess what? so is fucking bud light, coors light, miller lite and every other possible incarnation of the light american lager style (including snow in china). doesn't make these beers anything more than over-hyped and over-advertised pissy corn syrup water.

drinking beer is a joy. so is attempting to educating people about it.

>>4411678
please respond

>>4416466

Overbearing twats like you are why I change the subject when someone discovers that I like beer. Changing the subject to wine or spirits usually shuts them up because they only know lafroog and burning loon zinfandel.

>>4411678
st pauli's pretty deec.

hofbrau, spaten (lager) and bitburger are fantastic german pilsners

>>4416484
>hate knowledgeable beer drinkers
>hate ignorant wine drinkers

make up your mind

Did they not have hard liquor?

>>4416491

I don't hate people because of their level of knowledge. What I hate is people who think that they're better than everyone because they know a little beer trivia and refuse to drink something good because it's too commonly available and approachable for their bitchy little insecure selves to be caught enjoying.

>>4409263
>Now I dont consider myself to be a beer snob
You may not consider yourself a beer snob
But you ARE a beer snob

>>4416514
>...for their bitchy little insecure selves to be caught enjoying.

more like I just simply don't want to support fucking AnheuserBusch-InBev. If you hate that...corporate shill isn't too bad a description for you, regardless as to whether or not you're on payroll

>>4416540
ironically, OP is probably actually NOT a beer snob so much as that he's beginning to open his eyes as to what he puts into his body

>>4416555

Try not to cut yourself on that edge.

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>>4410372
holy shit you guys are autistic crybaby faggots that belong on 4chan.

>>4416566
no refutation? just call them edgy

>>4416585

Give me a fucking break. The level of edgy is off the charts. If InBev made land mines and cluster bombs like GE, or massacred factory workers who are trying to unionize like Coca Cola, he'd have some grounds for his edgy. But the crime here is "pretending to be a microbrew" and "making beer that common people like". And thinking it's ok to enjoy a product made by such a horrible, wicked corporation makes you a corporate shill.

Not sure if I could come up with a better example of edgy if I tried.

>>4416610
>And thinking it's ok to enjoy a product made by such a horrible, wicked corporation makes you a corporate shill.

nope nope nope nope nope

go back and re-read. it wasn't your "thinking it's ok to enjoy..." that made you a corporate shill, it's your criticizing other people's simply stating facts about BMC-producd beers that made you a corporate shill

>>4416672
>state facts in a "critical" fashion
>get upset when someone calls you out

Sure is double standards in here.

>>4416610
so let me get this straight:

since inbev isn't as bad as some other companies, then one shouldn't criticize them? what kind of shit-tier logic is that?

>>4416694
difference is one critique is providing more information, the other is intended to silence it

>>4416695

How is it bad that they make a product that's so much better than their core product line that consumers naturally assume it's some indie micro brew?

Would you prefer that they only make the style of beer that was popular in the US in the 1970s?

Would that make them a good company?

>>4416709
First off: who seriously defends companies like AB-InBev? I mean, really? Just what kind of person WOULD even defend them.

Regardless. People "assume" it's a micro brew because they market it as a microbrew, AND because they refuse to disclose the fact that it is brewed owned by Coors. It's completely hidden from public view. And, since I'm not wealthy enough to afford multimillion dollar TV ad campaigns to shed light on it, I must resort to telling people I meet in person and on food message boards online. What a terrible guy I am, eh?

Point is, it's not even that good an example of the style. Allagash white, or, honestly, just about ANY microbrewed wit beer will be better than Blue Moon. Sure, it's "better" than bud light or something, but just bc bud light is so shit to begin with. Bud heavy is actually probably "better" than blue moon as far as style is concerned, being one of the best examples of light american lager.

>>4416727

It's not that I think they need defending, but you're being such a ridiculous hipster about this. It's like hating on Kellogg's because all these plebs enjoy corn flakes that say "wholesome" when they should be eating Familia brand Museli because no one has ever heard of it. Fuck Kellogg's, how dare they make something that tastes good that anyone can buy?

I could understand it if you blamed them for flooding stores with low quality beer, but it's Blue Moon. How can anyone not like Blue Moon? It tastes fine!

>>4416750
>>4416727

Also, there are a ton of small breweries that make a complete fucking mockery of a certain style but I don't see you sperging out about it. Ever had Lagunitas Imperial Stout? Whoever came up with that stuff ought to be arrested.

If a mega macro brewery is starting to improve the average quality of their products, I don't see how this could be anything but a good thing.

>>4409307
>Why do you NEED to drink alcohol
>recommends wine

>>4416750
so it's because I'm being a "ridiculous hipster?"

what's more ridiculous?

my attacking an enormous food conglomerate masquerading products as microbrews while selling chemical-laden shit beverages

-or-

you disagreeing with me SIMPLY BECAUSE you think i'm being a "hipster" about it?

I mean, EVEN IF I'm a "ridiculous hipster," what's worse? Being the hipster, or hating people simply for being the hipster? Think about it for a minute.

and SINCE you brought up Kellogg's Corn Flakes:

Ingredients: Milled corn, sugar, malt flavor, contains 2% or less of salt. BHT added to packaging for freshness.

BHT: banned in Japan, Romania, Sweden, Australia

If you have kids, stick with the organic muesli. If not for your own sake, for theirs.

>>4416757
>If a mega macro brewery is starting to improve the average quality of their products, I don't see how this could be anything but a good thing.

It's a good point, but, history has shown that the purpose of these sorts of imposter products is not to increase the general quality of a company's entire line, but simply to put the smaller companies out of business, at which time the large companies just quit producing the imposter products. The consumers lose, the small companies lose, while only the large companies win. THAT'S why it's important to educate people and encourage them not to drink BMC at any cost.

>>4416757
> Ever had Lagunitas Imperial Stout

I have not, but I imagine it's almost as heinous a mislabeling as Alexander Keith's India Pale Ale.

>>4416766
Not him, but i THINK the way you decided to EMPHASIZE some of the KEY WORDS really helped your point

>>4409400
>mfw my neighbor is a respected beer judge and microbrewer, and my small city is passionate about good beers, even though I also live in the south.
>mfw I have no face

>>4416871
what's your fucking point?

no bold, no italics no underline...how the fck would you emphasize key words?

>>4416884
Type out a sentence and don't be so autistic that you need to tell the reader which words are real important to you?

>>4409354
I live in the north and most restaurants in my area have stouts available.
OP were you at a Denny's or something?

>>4416922
>resorting to grammar

>>4414906
> Entire population of the state of Wyoming
> 576,412 people
> We #1 craft brewers now!

If you're drinking stout with a meal + not with a heavy chocolate dessert you are probably a piss-head.

Lighter ales and some beers are a correct compliment to main dishes; although I take your meaning, I don't agree.

It's like if they imported a rare delicacy, even if it tasted wonderful if nobody ordered it they'd be fools to keep offering it.

So blame the consumers not the restaurant.