/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Meat eater here. But why would you even?

>>4361280
The brain is delicious

>>4361281
Just seems like a pain to prep.

lol @ meat eater's "food".


You poor things.

>>4361282
It is very slow to cook, that's the problem

>>4361286
Vegetables are alive, why don't you eat rocks?

>>4361281
Y'all watch that cholesterol, now.

>>4361297
Vegetables taste and look appetizing. Your food is revolting.

>>4361306
Have you ever killed a chicken with your hands?

i hate you

stop liking what i don't like

>>4361315
No. Why would I ever do that?

>>4361324

so you can enjoy incredibly fresh chicken.

>>4361272

Congrats OP, this thread is soooo edgy.

>>4361280
Not OP but you can eat the tongue. Still seems like more work than it's worth.

>>4361306
They do. So does meat you squimish onion.

>>4361344
My Gardein mandarin orange chick'n and chick'n strips are way better than real chicken. God, I remember how much of a pain in the ass chicken was to cook and eat. Always pulling out veins and scraping off gelatinous fat and peeling off the film off the chicken breast. Everything about it is really gross. With fake chicken, it's all uniform and flavorful and perfect. No nasty surprises.

Your food is crap, you just don't know any better. Like someone who lived their whole life eating nothing but earthworms and mocks people for eating rice.

So much edge that I need to see the Doctor on the 'morrow. Pip pip cheerio.

>>4361396
Nope.


There's a reason most teenagers get grossed out when they dissect a frog in Biology class. (Ironically I was really into it, but the point is carcass is instinctively revolting to us.)

>>4361411
>carcass is instinctively revolting to us

No it's not, otherwise we would all be herbivores. And we are not.

>>4361425
It's learned behavior.

Which is why you don't see a four year old cutting up their puppy and gnawing on its flesh. And if you did, you'd send it to a psychiatrist.

>>4361438

>It's learned behavior.

excellent observation. human children try to taste or eat almost anything except animals.

>>4361510
My niece has bitten her dog at least a couple times.

Vegetarian here. I am currently cooking vegetable/pulse stew in my slow cooker. In 5 hours from now, I will be eating delicious piping hot anti-Holocaust food with more nutrients and taste than your plebeian cannibal meal.

>>4361548
>anti-Holocaust

>>4361558
Yes. Somebody has to maintain some integrity. Might as well be me.

>>4361562
You're doing an awful job. Keep it up. It's easier if you all look like idiots.

>>4361510

Yeah my kid has bitten me about a dozen times. You should maybe consider the amount of child observation and raising you've done before making wild claims like this.

>>4361573
>You're doing an awful job
At doing the opposite of being cruel, abhorrent, disgusting and mindless?

Dude, if I'm wrong, then I really, really don't want to be right.

>>4361573

You're the one supporting the eating of a lamb's head which is high in saturated fat and has been linked to cancer and heart disease.

You're the one picking on someone who makes a conscious decision to change the way they eat instead of following the heard and eating based off tradition.

And then.. somehow.. you think you AREN'T the one that looks like an idiot?

>>4361590
>>4361591
> all dese tryhard /ck/ trolls.

I remember when this used to be a good board.

I want /v/ to leave

>>4361592
I personally think they're serious.

>>4361298
>>4361591
You two do realize that brain is actually very good for you correct? In fact if it werent for your ancestors eating things like brains and fatty fish you wouldn't even have the ability to think that your vegetarianism is a moral choice. Pretty much you are the moron here not the person eating the brain.

>>4361596
Im off to r/food if they are

>>4361592
>tryhard
I get it now. You consciously suppress your morality, because of your under-developed prefrontal cortex, in order to get more pleasure from your taste buds.

This is the same kind of reaction that you would get from a smoker, if you are casually engaged in conversation and mention to them that it's a disgusting and unhealthy habit for many reasons and that you do not like it when they mindlessly smoke around people who do not want to be affected by second-hand smoke or its smell. "Well it's my choice, fuck you, you moralfags are always trying to put your beliefs on others", etc. It's very natural to see an aggressive response from somebody whose habits are called in to question. Especially since their arguments are backed up with so little justification, it's borderline senility to just keep doing what they do, because they've done it for as long as they remember, and other people do it.

>trolls
Look, granted you got very angry, but this was not my intention. I cannot speak for the other fellow who replied to you, but it is apparent that he has understanding of this issue on a deeper level than yourself.

>>4361596
Yes, very serious. This is a board for food discussion, you know.

>>4361599
Enjoy your downvotes and inability to discuss foods, without fear of a hivemind mentality removing your comment from the eyes of others, if they lie outside the opinions of the majority.

>>4361597
I love how omnivores like to rely on arguments on what was necessary for people thousands of years ago. Those arguments are completely irrelevant for this day and age. And too much emphasis is put on meat for the development of our brains. Our brains need glucose. That comes from none other than plants. And we can get all the necessary nutrients we used to get from meat, from plant foods.

>>4361627
>eating meat is like smoking!

Stopped reading there, 4/10 you did quite well.

>>4361637
>dismissing everything as an elaborate 4/10 ruse
I thought you were going to the hivemind forum? Don't let me stop you.

>>4361641

Hey, when you stop trying to troll one of the slowest, most lighthearted boards on 4chan, then maybe i'll address your arguments.

>>4361645
>stop trying to troll
No, you don't need to address my arguments, because you don't have the means to. By dismissing the arguments as trolling, you can convince yourself that you don't have to question them.

>>4361654
Truth.

>>4361654
You, of all people, should be the one questioning yourself.

>>4361629
You brain also needs fat to make myelin sheaths, otherwise there would be zero, I repeat zero ability for your brain to function properly. This is the same reason that being a vegan for any period greater than 5 years increases your chances for dementia by 30% or more down the line.

>>4361666
Vegans can get plenty of fat in their diets. I know I do.

>>4361659
In all honesty, the only arguments I see get thrown around involve "essential amino acids" and "evolution". But these are troll arguments that are easily debunked, because you can get every amino acid you need from a balanced, healthy vegetarian diet and supplements from whey. Our teeth are equipped to handle cutting and mashing. That does not mean we need to rip apart an animal carcass with them. We (some people) have also developed a thing called spirituality, and social constructs such as ethics and we (some people) also have an understanding of sustainability.

Also, empathy is such a basic trait in creatures, it's even shown in predators in nature, towards prey. Kind of ironic that I see all kinds of meat-eaters getting so salivated towards the idea of ripping apart other living creatures because it stimulates their taste buds.

By the way, you can't really call troll, because this thread itself was so inflammatory in nature to begin with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0NZhqrzyQo

>>4361669
Its not about plenty of fat, its what type of fat it is and how much of it is available. Your brain requires a certain percentage of your daily caloric intake to be fat of various sorts to support proper growth of the myelin sheaths, by not having the right fats you are making it much much more likely to have adult early onset dementia in your later years. You can try to say you are getting all that you need but I can guarantee you that by the time you are 50 years old if you continue your lifestyle you will be more aged in terms of brain function than your peers. Physiology sure is great.

>>4361674
NO WHEY.

Grrr. Rice. Vegan all the way.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/196818811.html

No problem with anything else you said, just felt the need to post that.^

>>4361675
Your brain uses body fat for maintenance.

Saturated fat is bad for you, though it has been suggested to increase testosterone slightly, from what I remember reading a while back.

>>4361679
>Saturated fat is bad for you
In large quantities yes, however it is vital for brain development. You need a small amount of animal fat in your diet to make sure your brain continues to function. If you have ever had a higher level biology class or bio chemistry class you wouldn't even be questioning this right now.

>>4361675
Watch out for that high blood pressure: http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/htn_dementia.aspx

And if you're talking about omega fatty acids, there are plenty of those available in plant foods, and I get plenty.

This guy seems to be doing more than fine in the mental department. And going vegan actually improved my mental clarity dramatically. (Pretty sure I had a dairy allergy.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hi8Ue3tA-Q

>>4361684
Animal fat? Really? Can you give sources for this?

>>4361689
My Bio chemistry text book that I had a few years ago before I sold it (I got $200 used for it because mcgraw hill are greedy fucks.) This is taught as fact in physiology classes, biology courses and bio chemistry.

>>4361692
Give a legitimate source or you're full of shit.

>>4361676
Thank you for this link. I had no idea about this.

>>4361684
Yeah I guess my doctor is wrong, then.

Meat eaters 1 - 0 Doctors

>>4361692
I should add that I am not trying to be inflammatory I am just trying to get people to understand that while vegetarianism is not harming you veganism will in the long term make you less able to function. However this is one of those scientific areas where public discourse on the subject is not looked favorably on because someone who doesnt understand that science isnt about emotions will start to feel bad. Sort of like how the fact that some people are genetically less intelligent than others isnt talked about.

>>4361696
Google it yourself, I dont have to lower myself you providing you with your own research material when it is taught as fact at science courses above the 300 level. Maybe if you applied yourself you would realize that what I am saying is fact and not an opinion.

>>4361698
No, your doctor didnt want to get into a pissing match with someone who has decades less education than himself. It's much easier to say its all bad over exercise some self control fatty.

>>4361700
You still haven't provided a source for your claims.

>>4361704
>No, your doctor didnt want to get into a pissing match with someone who has decades less education than himself
Right in the balls. I didn't expect you to get so mad about it.

No, I asked my doctor about essential fats in diet for brain maintenance, and my doctor told me that my body is versatile and would use body fat for it.

Fat = fat.

Now, don't you have some all-you-can-eat stuff-your-face-athon BBQ to attend?

>>4361703
You're full of shit, that's why you can't provide a source.

>>4361706
>>4361710
>>4361712
So lets break it down, in order to properly synthesize myelin sheaths your body needs b12, b12 is only available in animal products, ie meat and dairy. The b12 you can get solely from plant products also contains b12 analogs which bind more readily than the b12 contained in the plants. But wait there is more, there is an intrinsic protein binder that must be present in order for you body to store b12 in fat which is never there in plants. So by having a vegan diet you are making it almost impossible for your body to store b12 and this lack of storage isnt readily visible, it can take years to realize you are deficient in this and by then it is too late for your brain.
Why cant you people google this instead of making me try to dumb this down for you?

>>4361720
>b12
Milk, cheese, yogurt, eggs, whey, fortified cereal, yeast, tofu, soy.

OK, so I should go and kill some animals now.

>>4361720
B12 is NOT only found in animal products, why would you even start out your paragraph with that lie? In nature we'd get it from the soil on our organic vegetables, but our environment is too clean to get it from that, so vegans can get it from nutritional yeast, fortified foods, and supplements. Which is much better than getting it from disease inducing, carcinogenic animal products. I've been vegan for three years. They tested my B12 levels a couple months ago and I actually had more than the necessary amount.

Maybe we can't google it because you're utterly full of shit and there are no articles stating what you're saying.

>>4361727
I like you. If I had a sister, you could come over to my house and fuck her.

On a somewhat related note, my vegetarian stew is actually starting to smell like tuna.

Vegetarian feels:
>meat smells so good, but makes you feel gross to think about eating it

>>4361735
lol, thanks. I'd be honored. Only problem is I'm female and straight. :(

Maybe I was just born to be vegan but the smell of meat grosses me out now that I've been vegan so long. I do think back fondly on tuna salad on saltine crackers though.

>>4361740
The smell of frying bacon makes me hungry. The more years that go by, the less the meat smells start to affect me, though. 10 years veggie, here.

Btw, I'm a girl.

I don't understand the dogma about this. We know the Western diet is unhealthy. We know the quantity of animal products we consume, and the manner in which they're produced is full of ethical issues. And cheap meat is disgusting when you really think about it.

So why does this become a black and white thing? You're either vegan or having meat at every meal? How is either extreme a particularly good choice?

Why not eat "vegan" most of the time, then have some kind of animal product every now and then as a treat? Eating like this also takes the sting out of the cost of meat farmed in a humane manner - you can afford it because you're not eating that much of it. And you're probably eating a healthier diet when you eat this way...

>>4361725
>>4361727
You clearly dont understand what I said. B12 with the protein it needs to bind to fat for storage is only found in animal products. B12 analogs are found in plants, they actually prevent the long term storage that b12 requires. This is called bio chemistry and this is how everything that needs b12 gets it.

>>4361744
Maybe I just never liked the smell of meat and I just became more sensitive to it after becoming vegan then, idk. 10 years, nice. Wish I could say the same.

>>4361754
What protein are you talking about?

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2000/000802.htm

>>4361674

>empathy is such a basic trait in creatures, it's even shown in predators in nature,

no, no they don't. The barely even understand that the other is a life form, to them others are nothing but food. Nature is alot more cruel than humans.

This is the "empathy" predators display on their prey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtVXFonpaWo

>>4361782
So much wrong.

>>4361774
I'm in class now and my phone doesnt like that link. What is it?

>>4361807
B12 deficiency may be more widespread than previously thought, meaning affecting 2/5ths of the population.

This has been theorized as being caused by overuse of antibiotics in factory farms. But can also be due to a variety of other factors. Note that 2/5th's of the U.S. population is not vegan..

>>4361807
Oh, and did you forget what amino acid you were talking about?

>>4361822
It is just called intrinsic factor.

>>4361835
Your body produces intrinsic factor... Where are you getting the idea that you need animal fat for it?

BAHAHAHAHA SRS BUTTMAD VEGETARIANS IN THIS THREAD

>>4361846
Yes it does but it needs amino acid groups that it cannot synthesize for that. Further in order for uptake of b12 to happen it must be bound to IF and to prevent catabolism in the gut. Man I hate trying to use my phone for this.

>>4361782
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtVXFonpaWo

b-b-but my vegan bible told me nature was pure and caring, and all the animals lived in happy rainbow land.

>>4361272
....so are you gonna cook this shit or what?

>>4361853
All necessary amino acids can be provided on a vegan diet.

K, so first you bullshitted by saying it was the fat we needed, then you switched to saying it was a specific protein we needed, now that we find the protein you were talking about is produced by the body you say the body has to have "amino acid groups that it cannot synthesize for that". And what amino acid groups are needed to synthesize that that can't be found in plant foods?

>>4361856
There have been instances of predators adopting animals that would normally be their prey.

Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZw-1BfHFKM

>>4361861

tryptophan

/thread

>>4361866
>instances
>cherry-picked example to deny the reality

Nature is a billion times more cruel than any factory farm, it's a fact.

>>4361866
Animals are much more complex than we give them credit for.

http://www.ted.com/talks/frans_de_waal_do_animals_have_morals.html

>>4361866
Instances doesnt mean its commonplace or natural.

>>4361871
No. http://www.livestrong.com/article/117724-foods-tryptophan/

Sorry.

>>4361861
I'm in class and will have to respond afterwords but I changed the terms due to the complete lack of understanding of science in this thread. Its easier to use broad and sweeping terms when dealing with the lay person over actual names of proteins or going into the bio chemistry of why a binding factor is needed and how proteins are made.

>>4361876

Leading biosience researcher shows how plants can feel pain.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=do-plants-think-daniel-chamovitz

>>4361874
WHOA, you are extremely fucking naive if you think nature comes anywhere near being as cruel as factory farming. And killing for survival isn't cruel, it's when you know what you're doing and that you don't have to do it that it becomes cruel. The animals in factory farms are tortured essentially their entire lives. No, nothing in nature comes close to it. At all.

>The EPIC-Oxford study suggested that vegans have an increased risk of bone fractures over meat eaters and vegetarians, likely because of lower dietary calcium intake, but that vegans consuming more than 525 mg/day have a risk of fractures similar to that of other groups.

Vegans have weak bones, no wonder they can do nothing but spam /ck/ threads all day.

>>4361883
lol, bullshit. You just didn't know. That's why you kept beating around the bush.

>>4361890
Eating less meat may help reduce osteoporosis risk,
Cornell studies show
http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Nov96/osteoporosis.ssl.html

The countries with the highest rate of hip fractures, also have the highest intake of dairy.

Do your research.

>>4361888

WHOOOOA, you are extremely fucking naive if you think a baboon tearing apart a gazelle while it's still alive is not cruel. Animals are tortured in nature the very moment of their birth, everyday is struggle for survival. Factory Farm conditions are much better than the hard uncaring conditions of nature.

>>4361884
If anyone were genuinely concerned with plants feeling pain, they would be vegan because an omnivorous diet relies on way more plants than a vegan one does. A vegan diet is the friendliest diet you can have for plants.

>>4361896
>http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Nov96/osteoporosis.ssl.html
>T. Colin Campbell
>vegan propaganda

Campbell is a discredited hack, nobody in the scientific community takes him seriously, the only people to worship him are twig eating vegans.

>>4361898
You know absolutely nothing about factory farming obviously. The animals are quite literally tortured, day in, day out. They never feel the sun, breathe fresh air, run, play, or do anything that is natural to them. Animals in the wild have it fucking made. And again, you're naive if you think that death on a factory farm is always humane.

>>4361901
You're a liar and a troll. He's very well respected by everyone but the meat industry. And tell me how the study is propaganda? You read too many low-carb blogs.

>>4361906
Not even that guy, but Campbells studies are always pro-vegan and have no objectivity in them at all.

>>4361903
Funny someone spends the majority of their life eating imitation products uses the word natural. I can spam a billion videos showing the cruelty of nature just like your spammed factory farm videos. Nature is much worse, an animal doesn't give two shits about the air, sun, or whatever when for the majority of its life it is struggling to stay alive and to fed itself.

>>4361882
>http://www.livestrong.com/article/117724-foods-tryptophan/

food => more than 100% daily value, vegetables 3%... Soy 20%... learn to read fagg

>>4361914

>spends the majority of their life eating imitation products

Not the person you're arguing with but as a vegan I never eat imitation anything, you're making something up to have something to argue about

And meat-eaters have imitation crab

>>4361913
You think that for them to be objective they must be biased towards consuming animal products, don't you?

>>4361906
>Frank B Hu and Walter Willett of the Department of Nutrition, Harvard School of Public Health, wrote in a letter to the editor in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition in 2000, that the China-Cornell-Oxford Project – not the book – had not found a clear association between animal-product consumption and heart disease or major cancers

Try again, he's a discredited hack. No more, than a pop-dietitian for rich hipsters and brainwashed vegans.

>>4361406
How fucking pretentious can you get?
Go soak your head, you self righteous cunt.

>>4361920
>And meat-eaters have imitation crab

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism

Your whole entire culture is an imitation of a real food eating culture. Look at the picture in the wiki article. You eat science lab experiment products just to not to feel left out. There's a good reason why nobody respects vegans and why they are some of the most unhealthy people around.

>>4361899

The majority of people are not concerned with animal or plant suffering, only vegans that's why you've chosen your position. Now, you have to take into account plant suffering. What are you going to do about? Maybe you should start eating dirt?

>>4361914
You have no clue what I eat and are assuming things in order to try to insult me. Your position is too weak otherwise. And no, nothing, nothing in nature is as bad as factory farming. Standard practice alone is torture, and they're often (almost a guarantee) abused on top of that by desensitized workers and the fast paced work environment.

I've never seen a lion confine a zebra for over 2 years, restricting its movement so it can't even turn around, causing it to go insane before he scalded it alive. (Yes, this happens.)

>>4361926

All vegan means is no animal products in the diet. I eat fruits, vegetables, nuts, and grains. Like I said, you're making a non-argument that has nothing to do with anything because it's the only way you can try to make a point towards something

>>4361921
in 2010, in an article, "Healthy eating guide," Willet encouraged people to choose plant-based proteins over animal sources.[27] Willett is the principal investigator of the "Nurses' Health Study II," established in 1989. Campbell is highly critical of the first Nurses' Health Study, established in 1976, calling it one of the chief sources of public misinformation about nutrition.[11]

>>4361928

And this is why nobody respects you and looks at you like a brainwashed freak. A baboon ripping apart a gazelle is not torture or suffering? Do you think predator animals humanly kill their prey without any pain or eat them while they are still living and screaming? Animals in nature are always struggling for survival, there is never a day without predators. It is one of the worst and most inhumane existences ever, factory farming is much better on a whole.

If you really care about animal suffering, you should start by trying to protect your precious animals from nature itself. It's been torturing them since the beginning of time.

>>4361927
>The majority of people are not concerned with animal or plant suffering, only vegans

Whoa, hey now. That just isn't true. I personally raise and butcher the meat my hubby and I eat. I do it because I care about how the animals are treated.

>>4361960

>I butcher animals because I care about them

I don't understand

>>4361959
Look into factory farming, dipshit.

Here's a brief summary. I actually feel it's almost censored. There are worse videos. But anyway, here are some of the basic standards:
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/63315/Farm_to_Fridge___The_Truth_Behind_Meat_Production/

>>4361967
Look into nature, faggot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtVXFonpaWo&hd=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc63Rp-UN10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR4tSA5KAFA

You're just a naive little rich kid, trying to cling on to anything that gives your easy, meaningless existence a purpose. Nature as a whole is much worse than factory farming.

>>4361973
No, again, nothing. Absolutely nothing in nature is anywhere near as bad as factory farming. Just stop. And I'm not rich. I was homeless for a portion of my child life. I'm far from naive. You're the one here who is delusional and naive.

>>4361973

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__0dbq9dkPI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67BkPIc2DJ4

Your move

>>4361973
And I'm also recovering from C-PTSD because I was physically abused from around age 10-16.

Nice try at assuming things about me in order to insult me though because your argument is too weak without making shit up.

>>4361973

>little kid thinks nature is anything compared to human meat farming practices

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W62g6L9bHfQ#t=1m20s

>>4361982
>>4361983
>caring about the suffering of lesser creatures

>>4361982

i live in a little island in the middle of mediterranean sea. my people is known everywhere in italy as shepards, and our tradition is that. we were nice shepards, now less, but we still having tradition for best pecorino cheese of whole italy.
my uncle is kinda a farmer. kinda because where he lives people has a job - he actually works for the mayor - but almost everyone has a little field and few animals.
he has about twenty cows and three-four pigs, and he used to be an hunter.
my grandmather used to have chickens and ducks.
i live in biggest city of my island, and i grow as much i'm allowed garlic and spices. my weed too.
yeah, nature isn't cruel as factory is, but there is people in this world that just care about animals, and prefer to kill animals with dignity. that treat animals like food, as nature teached us to do. i'm almost vegetarian, almost because i like meat and i'm not going to avoid it. this fight is stupid, WE are nature, how we eat is nature, just because everything happens in this world is ruled by nature. supernatural things doesn't exist.
just there are people that doesn't want to know how their meat come to their table, and other, like me and someone else here, that care to leave to the animal, that dies to feed me, their dignity, also in death.
i don't know if you understood my message, my english is such bad.

>>4361973
That last vid. DAYUM.

>>4362004

>there is people in this world that just care about animals, and prefer to kill animals

Your parents care about you, would it make sense for them to kill you too?

>>4361973

I think we can all agree you are an idiot who doesn't realize nature has nothing on the inhumanity of humanity.

If that was a human eating a gazelle, it would be a team of humans in a factory with machines, herding and killing thousands of gazelles a day.

If it was a human farming chickens, it would be a video of a human tossing male chicks into a grinder by the hundreds of thousands a week because the male chicks are the genetic property of Tyson foods and nothing profitable can be done with them.

>>4361982
>>4361983
>>4361986
>>4361995
>>4362020

Samefag. Are you paid to spam our board or something? Nobody cares about your fake animal justice bullshit.

We can't just let animals run riot.

Hey, how do you vegetarians know that plants can't feel pain too?

>>4362027

Because they don't have nerves or a brain

>>4362030
Who says that they can't feel pain by some other measure?
Are there any studies out that the PROVE that plants can feel no pain?

>>4362025

not same fag on that last one. ( i can only speak for that last one)

Nature is the worst factory farm, let the vegandags deny all they want, just all at the evidence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx2zH28qBZI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-wvA7fmUJ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWKF64l7lDQ (lion eating little baby hyena cubs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHXiGquzCOI (warthog squealing in pain as it's eaten alive)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l1uXGOvOJM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrgLBa8c9IY

>>4362035

Those aren't even as bad as the ones posted for factory farms

>>4362032

Well, it wouldn't be condusive to their evolution to feel pain because many plants WANT to be eaten. That's how they spread their seeds

>>4362032

There's plenty of studies that show plants have their own mechanics for responding and "feeling" pain. Vegans base all of their judgments on feelings, since a plant doesn't cry out it must not "feel" anything.

A leading bioscientist pretty much confirms that plants feel,

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=do-plants-think-daniel-chamovitz

>>4362025
Only two of those responses were mine actually.

>>4361982
>>4361986

>>4361973
you retarded nigga?
all beings have adapted to nature, not to factory farming.
factory farming equals concentrated feed, artificial light, high doses of pharmaceuticals and so on. tell me why nature should be more cruel

>>4362035

Fuck that's some disgusting shit.

>>4362025

Yeah, it's pretty much one guy from SRS spamming our board. They have nothing better to do, and have given up on /pol/.

>>4362035
That last video was fucking adorable.

>>4362035
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWKF64l7lDQ

b-b-but I thought animals were proud and noble, i-i-i didn't know they killed baby animals.

>>4362047

Watch this: www.earthlings.com

And this:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6nynn_agriprocessors-undercover-investiga_animals

And this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_vqIGTKuQE

For starters.

>>4362035

Actually.. it looks like all those animals are standing on grass and eating grass before they are eaten by a carnivore. It looks like they have entire acres to themselves.


In comparison, factory farmed animals stand in their own shit, are fed antibiotics to keep them from getting sick from standing in their own shit, have about 2 or 3 sq ft. of space to live in. Are fed growth hormones and grain (not their natural diet) so that they reach maturity in under 18 months, so that they can be slaughtered at the age of 1 and a half.

This fucks with their nutritional value and makes them not even very good to eat compared to a grass fed animal.

And we do all this so that humans, that aren't carnivores, can eat meat as if they were carnivores.

Yeah... nature surely is much worse than factory farming and the way that corporations treat their livestock.

A gazelle being eaten by a lion is a natural death after having lived a natural life. It is young, there is nothing we can do to have helped it.

A human being raising cattle for 18 months, standing it;s entire life in 6 inches of manure, eating only grain and soy and other ground up cows, and growth hormones, is not a natural life, and it's slaughtering is not a natural death. no animal that has not lived a natural life, is even capable of dying a natural death.

Go troll somewhere else. No one is buying your bullshit.

>>4362055

Meh. When the workers do bad shit it's out laziness. At least, we can change our behaviors, to treat the animals in our factory farms better. The nature videos are much worse, it's the same level of suffering if not worse, and it will never change for those animals.

Vegans are hypocrites when they deny the suffering of animals in nature.

>>4362060
They weren't born in the nature, so I don't see the problem with killing something that wasn't supposed to exist

>>4362055
This might be a better video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV9_-C_C3Fw

>>4362050
I don't even know what SRS is and there are at least three people quoted there.

>>4362060

Propaganda.

Most chefs prefer a grain fed diet over grass fed for the added fat. Animals don't care about standing in their own shit, they do it all the time in nature. You use words like natural, like it adds any weigh to your argument. Just because something is "natural" it doesn't automatically make it good or preferred. The animals in nature suffer much worse than factory farms, it's normal for them to be eaten alive, it's normal for them to die of disease, it's normal for their young to die early deaths. Nature is a much worse factory farm than anything humanity has done.

I love the butthurt on this thread.

>>4362063
You're so naive it makes me sick. The animals are tortured their ENTIRE LIVES, as opposed to living freely out in the sun. The animals do not always die a quick death in factory farms, and are often macerated, skinned and dismembered fully conscious, and scalded alive on top of living a live of complete and total misery.

I really hope you're just trolling.

>>4362072
life*

Sorry, I haven't slept.

>>4362072
The same stuff happen outside, is just is way more quick there

>>4362068

Let me propose this: would you rather be out in nature living your life or put in a nazi death camp?

>>4362064

Were you born in a hospital or a pasture?

Would you rather die in a field with a fighting chance or at the hands of metal machinery?

>>4362068

Nature is not a farm at all, much less a "worse factory farm."

Are you retarded?

This whole thing is a troll thread.

>>4362076
FUCK. NO. The animals in factory farms can't even fucking turn around. They get infections from the poor air quality and filthy conditions, as well as from being confined so tightly. They go insane and break off their teeth biting the bars of their cages as their only means of stimulation, they have their babies repeatedly mutilated in front of them and torn from them, god, I could go on forever but I think I made my point well enough. I'm just going to hope you're pretending to be this stupid.

>>4362072

That's the life of an animal, suffering and torture. If humanity never came along, animals would still be suffering and tortured by nature. You want to deny reality because you're still stuck in elementary school reading books about the wonderful sunshine filled, carefree life of animals. We can change our factory farms in a second, but nature will never change. You have nothing to stand on except your pathetic feelings, and if you care so much about animals your time would be better spent helping them out of the horrible life nature provided them since the beginning of life on earth.

>>4362069
I know right? I'm just sitting back watching both sides shit their pants in rage.

>>4362077

Would I rather be in a cage squealing out of uncomfort, living a long disease free life until I'm finally killed or ripped apart while I'm still alive by a lion?

Seems like an easy choice to me.

>>4362072
Not halal meat. It has to be killed one way.

Okay, you people can't seriously be this naive and retarded so I guess I'm done with this thread for now.

>>4362078
Is their duty to die in that way, if you're unhappy with your place in the chain, go to kill yourself

>>4362100
I was talking about factory farming, and in general.

>>4362083
They still die, and they're gonna be eat, is the same at the end, don't deny that fact, yes, number are a problem, but, think in the number of the humanity

>>4362089

We can't change our factory farms in a second... not without increasing price. That's why organic and pasture raised animals are soo much more expensive.

The profit motive will mean that factory farming will always be brutally efficient.. but mostly brutal.


In all these videos you are posting animals are eating other animals constantly. If the animal getting eaten is 4 or 5 years old.. you are seeing the last 15 or 30 minutes of it's life. Most of it's life, it was in a herd, living with other animals, mating, producing off spring, eating grass and soaking up the sun. You are focusing on the last .0002% of that animals life.

In a factory farm 100% of the animals life is lived in shit, indoors, poor ventilation, no chance for mating, only selective fertilization happens, no reproduction unless controlled by the farm. no grass, antibiotics, growth hormones, and it only gets 18 months.

How is there any comparison in your mind?


If you don't give up at this point, then you're just trolling. We've explained this thing to you 100 times now.

>>4361409
I laughed

>>4361510
My parents bought a hamster for my little sister and she immediately shoved it in her mouth.

>this thread
If you'll excuse me, I'm going to make a ham sandwich now.

>>4362109

You have no clue what you're talking about. If anything increasing automation will keep the price stable if not lower it in the near future. Not to mention, advances in biological engineering will create even faster growing animals with less ability to feel pain.

Overall suffering in factory farms has actually been decreasing since the beginning of their creation. Brutality actually gets in the way of efficiency, it makes the animals less manageable.

Again false information, the majority of animals life is spent in constant stress to stay alive form predators. That's the cycle of life. There's no such thing as soaking up the sun or any of that other bullshit. You're born, you run, and eventually disease or a predator kills you. The only time in animal history that they've been given any decent life is when humans take on animals as pets and actually showed them care and compassion from nature.

There's only one troll here and it's you. You have been at this for weeks, spreading your propaganda around here. You smell of a paid SRS troll more than anything.

>>4362139
The meat industry actually pays people to do things like that. Never heard of a vegan organization doing anything like that. No need for it, when the facts are all on our side anyway.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/03/david-martosko-daily-caller-humane-society-animal-rights-facebook

You should be more worried about what the animal agriculture industry is going to try to sell you. (They're much more powerful than any little animal welfare organizations and have the money to pay people to shill.)

>>4362139
But then, you're a troll and are only interested in arguing so I don't know why I bother.

>>4362159
>>4362162

Yeah sure, vegans are nothing more than a tiny little persecuted group without any power. Try again, I've seen more vegan commercials and advertisements and vegan trolls online than anyone pushing a meat based agenda. It's a little suspicious when any mention of a meat thread, instantly will be spammed with pro-vegan posts on here.

I'm more worried more about people who relate meat eating to the holocaust than I'm worried about the life of an animal on a factory farm. We can change our factory farms but we can't change brainwashed cultist trolls like you. See yourself the fuck off this board and back to your vegan circlejerk forums.

>>4362139

>the majority of animals life is spent in constant stress to stay alive form predators

Man, look how stressed out these cows are

>>4361406
lel stay mad

>>4362177
>cows on a farm
>not cows living in the wild

Are you even properly following the discussion?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMoRqsXKYFo

>>4362173

>>4362173
I wish I was getting paid for this, really. It's a headache.

>>4362190
>>4362198

Samefag trolls completely proving that anon's point about spamming your propaganda all over this board.

It's funny, how none of you can engage in an actual discussion past a point and will always resort to spamming.

>>4362173

I've noticed the opposite. If anyone brings up vegetables or anything that doesn't have meat in it but isn't even specifically referred to as vegan, you get a flood of posts that say "WHERE'S THE MEAT, FAGGOT? WHAT DO YOU THINK, YOU'RE BETTER THAN ME?! FUCK YOU! YOU'RE SO FUCKING OBNOXIOUS! STOP SHOVING YOUR DIET DOWN MY THROAT AND EAT SOME MEAT!"

>>4362203
Exactly.

>>4362198

Selling a product isn't the same as selling a lifestyle.

>>4362203

Bullshit, keep on trying to play the victim card. By flood you mean three or four obviously trolling posts, which are easily ignored and then a bunch of helpful posts. Do you see us posting images, video links, and writing full page rants about vegans? Fuck no, it's pretty clear to see what side is making an actual campaign to spam this board and what side is simply trying to get along.

Fuck off with your bullshit.

>>4362238
>Do you see us posting images, video links, and writing full page rants about vegans?
Yes....

Omnivores get very butthurt. They are pretty much experts on pain in the butt.

>>4362238

If I was playing the victim card, I'd be a meat-eater complaining about vegans wanting to discuss non-meat food on my cooking board

You guys are like Christians who complain about persecution when atheists say they don't want to be forced to participate in prayer in schools or have a unity of church and state. You're the fucking majority, your views are already pressed hard on the minds of everyone around you no matter what. You aren't mad at vegans "shoving their veganism down your throat," you're mad at the simple fact of their existence. Nothing they could do could please you, you'll just find any excuse to be mad at them, probably because you're insecure about your own diet

>>4362244

Blah blah blah blah, more victimizing bullshit. The reality is nobody cares about you, but since veganism is more than a personal dietary choice but a full on brainwashing campaign by rich hipsters such as yourself it's not enough for you to sit back and live your life. There's a reason why only rich celebrities and trust fund babies can afford purely vegan diet. It's about the label not the food, why else would you spam against meat eating instead of making helpful posts about the benefits of eating more vegetables.

This thread is proof enough about your paid campaign and asshurt over the majority not giving a shit about you. Stay mad little baby.

>>4362244

fuck ur so butthurt

>>4362242
>Omnivores get very butthurt. They are pretty much experts on pain in the butt.

Just dropped by in to tell you that anyone, no matter their opinions can get butthurt when someone doesn't agree with their opinions.

>>4362255

>There's a reason why only rich celebrities and trust fund babies can afford purely vegan diet

Damn, there's a lot of trush fund babies and rich celebrities in China then. 90%+ of its population lives on a diet of rice and vegetables

>>4362265
>Damn, there's a lot of trush fund babies and rich celebrities in China then. 90%+ of its population lives on a diet of rice and vegetables

China has the fastest rate of growing meat consumption. Even the poorest chinese still eat meat, none of them would be considered vegans. Everyone single one of those peasants are becoming meat eaters not pasty, brainwashed vegans.

Try again dipshit.

Here's a pigs head I roasted a couple years ago. It was posted to no acclaim on /ck/ :(

>>4362289

Damn, that looks good. What did you make out of the pan drippings?

>>4362289
I want to crunch on one of those ears

>>4362294
I made it all chinese style in the end

>>4362289

>>4362305
Pieces of the brain, I couldn't scrape all of it out before roasting.

Sounds good doesn't it? I pan fried whatever I scraped out with some eggs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS8MR1s0cZY

>>4362305
looks like porky bits

>>4362314
At least it was quick

>>4362159

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Liberation_Front

That guy is nothing compared to these people.

>In June 2006, the ALF claimed responsibility for a firebomb attack on University of California, Los Angeles researcher Lynn Fairbanks, after a firebomb was placed on the doorstep of a house occupied by her 70 year-old tenant; according to the FBI, it was powerful enough to have killed the occupants, but failed to ignite.

>>4362305

One day, you'll have to answer for the animal holocaust.

>>4362314
I laughed so hard, 10/10 horse

Why do I always lose it when someone mentions the "Animal Holocaust"?

>>4362314
Quickest death I've ever seen, seems like the best way to do it.
>didn't even have time to make pain gurgles

>>4362330
It's against the ALF credo to harm any creature, human or animal. The ALF save animals and they are volunteers who just care a lot about the cause. It's not like they're paid hitmen. lol. They're more like Harriet Tubman.

>>4362385
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1996-11-24/news/1996329113_1_hershaft-animal-reform-movement-farm-animal

"I saw a lot of analogies between what the Nazis did to us and what we're doing to farm animals," said Hershaft, the founder and president of the Farm Animal Reform Movement, a national group geared toward getting people to stop eating meat.

>>4362017

you are completely disconnected with nature. i care about animals, but they're FOOD. i don't see a friend in animals, i don't see love. i see food or tools, like dogs for hunt. but i RESPECT em, completely. i respect animals that die to feed me as i respect the dog, as ancestral mate for guard and hunt. don't humanize animals, because they're not humans, and your example is kinda non sense.
just to say, i don't cuddle even dogs.
btw, i respect vegans' point of view, even if i don't find it linked with nature. please, be more open minded and do it you too.

>>4361548
>more nutrients and taste than your plebeian cannibal meal

My face when vegetarians actually believe this

>>4361548

Do you guys actually eat things like that? Looks revolting. At least take out the gooey parts from the tomato.

>>4361548
Do you mind explaining what's in the picture?

>>4362385
Is it because it brings to your mind images of the immense cruelty involved in the industrial production of meat, that you try to block out of your mind as you are too addicted, or lacking in imagination when it comes to preparing food, to dissociate yourself from the system?

Vegan. I made a chocolate cream pie last night.

Just finished up a plate of cookies (banana, peanut butter, rolled oats and sunflower seeds combined in a bowl and baked until crispy) for breakfast.

No complaints here. Carry on with your meat eating. Meat is tasty, but working toward dismantling capitalism is tastier.

>>4364067
lol naw it just sounds funny to me

>>4364080

When I make cold pies these days.. I use silken tofu instead of whip cream or cool whip or custard.

I've made chocolate, peanut butter, and keylime pies this way. It's not EXACTLY the same.. but it is much healthier, high in protein, and really surprisingly good. Plus it pisses off the types of people in this thread when you serve it to them.

>>4364088

I simply use cornstarch. The eggs are an unnecessary thickener. The filling actually came out fudgier.

What does alligator even taste like?

>>4364092

Oranges apparently.

>>4364092
I had it fried once. It tasted like frog legs, if you've ever had those. A southern delicacy! Let's go giggin', y'all.

>>4364092
Kind of swampy tasting. I never made the correlation of chicken. Frog legs also taste like a mild flavorless fish.

>but an animal died in nature, so that means i can justify my conveyor-belt factory holocaust death camps
Muh tastebuds.

Can't we all just be friends?
Vegans choose to eat the way they do because they like the health benefits. Omnivores eat the way they do because they like how things taste.
End of story.

>>4364371
Thank you!

I'm vegetarian, but leaning towards veganism more and more.

Hope you got full OP! Sucks to go hungry.

>>4361548
is that mozzarella? make sure it's lacto-vegetarian and not filled with belly remains.

>>4364371
4/10 for trying to disguise the troll attempt both in the language and the use of sage.

>>4364371
meat doesn't taste shit, it's the flavour. Try flavoured seitan. It's meat without any butchering and poor animals involved.

Can we stop arguing please?

Vegans choose to not murder or torture animals on ethical and health grounds. Meat-eaters choose to do the opposite because their taste buds override their higher brain functions.

/thread

Fucking well done, OP.

>>4364576
LOL
0/10
weak

>>4364445
>Try flavoured seitan

Give me seitan or tofu over beef and chicken any day.

Let me get this straight.

OP posted a pants-on-head retarded, blatantly obvious attempt at trollbait. All of you must have known this going in. Yet despite this, you all proceeded to have a flamewar anyway. Fuck every single one of you.

>>4364851
My favorite part is that OP didn't even make a 2nd post regarding his original topic. He was probably in too much pain rolling on the floor laughing his guts out to try to follow up with a convincing follow-on post to make his trolling believable.

>>4364867
I know some of this is due to some retards attempting a raid over the past few days, but why do co/ck/s keep making their job this easy?