/ck/ - Food & Cooking

We have discovered fire in America. Your time will come, savage.

>>4315936
> implying fire > electricity
gtfo.

1) We just don't drink that much tea.

2) An ordinary pot on the stove works just fine. In fact, in the USA a pot on the stove is actually faster than using an electric kettle. Why? Well, in the US household electric power is 110V. That's half what you have in the UK. Therefore our electric kettles are half as powerful as yours. That means they have no advantage over using the range--in fact, they're slower. On the other hand, electric ranges are 240V and thus much more powerful, and a gas hob is more powerful than any of the above.

3) If you do want an unnecessary electric gizmo to heat your water the Asian style "air pot" is much more convenient since it keeps the water hot 24-7 and requires zero waiting. You can also use a coffee machine and simply don't put coffee in it!

we have these things called stoves

we don't need to save space when we can buy acres for pennies

come to freedomland, silly yurofilth

I have an electric kettle, I didn't realize I was so revolutionary here in Louisiana.

>>4315936
Fire does not give you boiling water in 30 seconds.

Tea is for women and chinks, faggot.

>>4315942
It's not about space. Kettles are a hell of a lot quicker.

>>4315940

for cooking gas is FAR superior to electric:

-instantly reacts to temperature adjustments
-has far, far, far higher heat output which makes it much easier to do a proper stir-fry or sear meat
-makes flambes very easy
-you can visually tell the level of heat with just a glance by looking at the size of the flame
-less expensive than electricity
-allows you to properly use a wok

>>4315949

If you care about speed that much then why aren't you using pic related? It's even faster than an electric kettle.

>>4315949
quicker than what?
and why do you need hot water in 30 seconds?

i use my stove and a kettle, or the microwave if time is of the essence

>>4315941

1. I don't think you quite understand what voltage is.
2. You're pants-on-head retarded if you think that an electric kettle uses up a power outlet's entire supply, or anywhere close to it. The voltage makes no difference when discussing a small appliance such as an electric kettle.

Now I'd advise you to run over to /diy/ and ask them for a rundown on how electricity works before you keep using that argument.

>>4315954
Because when I want a cup of coffee I want a cup of coffee. Not in 5 minutes when it's boiled on the stove.

>>4315962
i see

it's whiny entitlement and immediate satisfaction

how very American of you.

>>4315961

Sigh. I thought I didn't have to explain this in that much detail. I guess I was wrong. Here it is again it retard-mode:

In the USA a standard household outlet is 110V, 15 amps. (maybe 10 in old houses, but 15 is typical). Therefore the most powerful electric kettle that could exist in the USA for use with a standard outlet is 110 x 15 = about 1500 watts. In practice they are usually a little smaller, usually around 1200 watts. Go visit Wal-Mart's website (or Amazon, or similar, and look around for specs).

The UK has the same size breakers (10 or 15 amp, typically) but double the voltage. Thus, twice the power is possible. Now do a search for the power ratings of 240V electric kettles. A quick check on Amazon and Google revealed power ratings from 1500w through 2400 w. That's approximate twice that of the US models.

Now let's compare this to an electric range. A cheap electric range usually has 2400 watt small burners or 4000 watt large burners, which are equal to if not exceeding the power of a UK electric kettle.

>>4315962

you don't use a coffee maker?

>>4315966
Why bother using lights amirite, just wait for daytime.

>>4315976
No. I use a French press.

>>4315980
good enough for my ancestors, good enough for me

whiny cunt

>>4315961
>The voltage makes no difference when discussing a small appliance such as an electric kettle.


The voltage alone, no. but the combination of the standard circuit breaker size and the voltage determines the maximum power you can get out of a plug-in appliance.
Power = volts x amps

US is 110V x 15 amps = 1650 watts maximum, assuming nothing else was on that same circuit.

UK is 240V x 15 amps = 3600 watts

Thus a UK outlet is capable of supping a lot more power than a US one. Or, in other words, A US electric kettle can never be more powerful than about 1500 watts or so whereas the UK models can be twice that powerful. A simple search for specifications of 110v and 240v electric kettles confirms the difference in power ratings. The only 240V ones with low power are small dual-voltage "travel" models. Look at the standard ones and you'll see that the US models are less powerful than the UK versions.

>>4315934
I had one, but I threw it out. It took much longer than my stove top kettle to boil water, and just took up counter/cabinet space.

>not heating your water with freedom

silly yurofilth

>>4315945
Neither does an electric kettle.

>>4315936
Yep, already know fire, still don't know electricity

Is that true

If I want to boil something on the stove I first boil the kettle then pour it into the pan. Stove takes forever, surely a weak kettle is still going to be better...

I had no idea Americans had an aversion to electric kettles. I feel like this actually isn't a thing.

>>4316015
It's not an aversion so much as it is that very few people own one when they can just put a pot on the stove and boil water.

>>4316021

this. Also, we don't have the tea-drinking culture the UK has so there's far less need for boiling water.

>>4316024
It's just hard to believe that somebody could call themselves the first world when they haven't mastered electricity.

Do you wash clothes on a washboard too?

>my face when yuros don't boil their water every morning by clapping

>>4316026
what's wrong with that?
self sufficiency too much for you coddled socialist cumguzzlers?

>>4315993
Here in the UK, it does.
Not sure about American kettles, but they can't be that different.

ha that's funny I never cooked water on my stove and I would feel really silly if doing that instead of just comfortably using my kettle

ItaliAnon here.
We don't use them, either, however, we always keep a kettle of water on the hob. In much the same way as most of us who've not lived in Asia don't see much the point of having a rice cooking appliance, most of us who don't routinely need hot water for tea or coffee don't keep electric kettles.

This said, my family is a bit bizarre for Italians because we've always kept an electric samovar which is basically a very, very large kettle.
As I live in the US currently and the samovars my family back in Italy use wouldn't work on American outlets, I've taken to buying pic related. Because I'm cheap, once the water bottle ran out, I refilled it with filtered water from the tap and continue to do so.

>>4316039
I tried a two different ones, both of them took about 75% longer than my stove top kettle to boil the same amount of water. One I returned and got my money back for it, the other one I ordered online, so it wasn't worth it to send it back so I just tossed it.

I like my stove kettle
I like filling it
I like waiting for it to whistle
I like making tea

I feel like it would cheapen it if I used an electric unit

>>4315941
>thinks voltage = power

>>4315949
>>4315953
>MMXIII not eating your coffee grounds right out of the tin

>>4315950
i believe the post is referring to technological advancement. And as far as the thread is concerned, electricity beats fire for boiling water every which way.

>MMXIII not eating your coffee grounds right out of the tin

Actually, *weak* electric kettle will take longer than stove. Last summer we were camping, some guys brought two tiny kettles, and both of them would take good 15 minutes to boil 1l, running off generator power, meanwhile my heater like picrelated (except 230V) would take some 5 minutes for a 0.5l cup.

But a good kettle filled to minimum takes maybe 2 minutes and wastes less energy than a stove too.

...still, during the winter we heat the big room of my house with a big, metal stove using wood or coal. Since it's burning all the time anyway, we use it to heat an antique copper kettle, and I've got to admit the *mood* it creates is far superior to any electric kettle.

>>4316084
>eating coffee grounds and not snorting them like a true alpha

>>4316031
>be a europoor living in Americlapland.
>Can not stop funnying.
>8/10 would clap again.

>>4316098
>>4316084

>/ck/ plebs not taking their coffee rectally

>>4316073
>thinks voltage isn't relevant to power calculations

>>4315985
>actual science slapdown on /ck/
I have the strangest boner right now.

>>4316104

>waiting for your water to heat
>2013

>>4316120
I have one of those. It's okay but makes a shitload of noise and doesn't quite get the water boiling.

Its convenient when Im abroad in Japan, but I don't like tea or coffee and having it take up room in the kitchen for the once in a year I eat instant ramen or yakisoba in America is silly.

I've noticed a lot of people have boiling water spouts in their kitchen

>>4316084
>>4316098
>>4316104
>not injecting your coffee into your jugular
casuls

>>4316121
No, it doesn't. Good for coffee though, as it's better just below boiling. Shitty black tea though.

>>4316131
Ok I'm obviously imagining the noise.

>>4316133
I meant no, it doesn't quite get the water boiling.
It is pretty loud.

>>4316142
Ah okay.

It's because we don't drink tea too often. And while coffee is often consumed, it's usually either from a drip coffee maker or starbucks.

I actually do own an electric kettle. It's a hell of a lot more convenient when using a french press. I use it for cooking too, since it boils water a lot fucking faster than if that water were in a pot on the stove, and I generally don't need to worry about losing volume to steam (I put a quart of water in, I get a quart of boiling water out)

Haven't tried novelty ways of using the electric kettle yet though. I might try boiling hardboiled eggs in it one of these days

>>4316084
>>4316098
>>4316104
>>4316130

>>4316229
Pardon, but I drink tea every day, as does the rest of my family.
Anyway, as to electric kettles, I've had a couple before, but they always break. Whereas my stovetop kettle, I've been using for nearly a decade. Partially because, I believe, I can actually clean the mineral buildup out of my copper kettle better than the electrics. If you have any sort of hard water, your electric kettles aren't going to last long.

>>4316252
>Pardon, but I drink tea every day, as does the rest of my family.
good for you but most of the US doesn't

>>4316253
I know tons of people who drink tea all the time. Where do you live? Under a rock in the 1970s?

A Challenger Appears

I don't know if this is a troll or not. Americans typically don't own electric kettles? I didn't know this was a stereotype or anything. Weird.

Kind of like when I found out not every place has milk in bags.

I'm Canadian just for the record.

>>4316265
My favorite....

>>4316273
Ahh... you nearly got me there.

>>4316273
not really, there are probably 5 or more traditional kettles for every electric kettle in my experience.

>>4316261
A majority of America eat out, cant cook and watch movies like Transformers. Your circle of friends don't represent the whole.

Why does it really matter when people just use a stove top kettle or heat up water in a microwave? They're still drinking tea.

You just wanted to make a Europe vs America shitposting thread

>>4316282
Huh?

>>4316284
Interesting, I did not know that. I like seeing small differences like that between cultures.

>>4316300
>You just wanted to make a Europe vs America shitposting thread
I could post a, "How does my homemade curry look" or "rate your tapwater" thread and it would devolve into a Yuropoor vs. 'murikkka shitposting thread.

>>4316293
What the fuck does tea have to do with any of that? It's a standard fucking beverage, not a trend. Seriously, wtf.

>>4316306
>reading comprehension
Tea isn't as popular as coffee or other drinks. Just because you and your friends drink it doesn't make it popular everywhere.

>>4316314
Like half the population drinks tea daily.

>>4316314
As I said, go back to living under your rock. There's wide areas and millions of people in the US who prefer tea.

>>4316320
>getting this upset over tea
Yeah dude I never leave my basement and I'm just pulling shit out of my ass. Fucking kill yourself you hipster fuck.

>>4316325
>Yeah dude I never leave my basement and I'm just pulling shit out of my ass. Fucking kill yourself you hipster fuck.

Speaking of upset...

>>4316319
Iced Tea maybe.

I find half a little hard to believe considering America's infatuation with coffee.

>>4316360
What are you basing your emotional argument on?

Please spend 5 minutes Googling popular beverage statistics.

>>4316367
What argument? It's my first post in the thread.

But I couldn't find anything on American beverages that aren't soda or beer so I'd like to see your link.

>>4316373
>U.S. wholesale sales of tea in 2011 were $8.2 billion

>>4316385
I'll be sure to invest in the tea industry thanks, but that doesn't explain your point.

ITT

>>4315934
Because here in America we have this thing called a "stove top". Stove tops allow you to heat up pretty much anything provided it is in a pan or pot. Because of this we Americans don't have to waste money on things that we can already do

The more you know

>>4315950
I agree with you that a gas stove is much better than a range in terms of immediacy of heat, and control (expense of use depends on where you live). That's why every good kitchen and restaurant uses them. But if I just want to boil some water for a cup of tea or some noodles, I like being able to do it by just pushing a single button, giving me time to check the news, or listen to radio 4 for a minute. I don't feel like getting out a pot, or steam-kettle, and then having to dry it, and put it away when I'm done.

>>4315981
polio was good enough for our ancestors, but it's not very popular anymore, is it?

>>4316422
Speaking of which, you never payed us back for that tea. And compared to what we did to the irish, the indians, and the chinese, you fuckers were living in the lap of luxury.

>>4316447
>compared to what we did to the irish, the indians, and the chinese
You're welcome.

>>4316434
I take it you don't have a vacuum cleaner or iron or washer...

>>4315942
Fun fact. US bought Alaska from the Russians for 2 cents an acre.

>>4316084
>>4316104
>>4316130
>>4316248
>>4316098

My morning routine

>>4316447
>trying to bill a country for something a few rogues did before its existence
Silly Brit.

>>4316524
And there were people here who thought we overpaid.

>>4316084
>>4316104
>>4316130
>>4316248
>>4316098
>>4316574

>Not injecting coffee straight into your bone marrow

Fucking casuals.

>>4316513
I know you're trying to outline unitaskers and how convenient some of them can actually be (and I laud you for it, I assure you), but vacuum cleaners are exceedingly specialised and allowed for wall-to-wall carpeting to become commonplace. Prior to the invention of the electric, motorised vacuum cleaner, carpeting was rarely, if ever, broadloom/fitted/wall-to-wall because of the extreme work involved in cleaning/maintaining such a carpet. Because of the relative difficulty of maintaining even smaller rugs, the electric, motorised vacuum cleaner came about in the 20s-30s as the latest child of a very fertile mother: Necessity.

As for the iron and washing machine: hob irons are fantastic for both household and culinary applications and I've made ice cream in a washing machine, so they're both far from unitasking. Even so, the washing machine cuts down laundry time from several active/attentive hours to 1-2 hours of inactive work while you (or whoever set the machine) can go about doing other things.

Good idea you had there, but poor examples.

Because I have a water cooler that also chills and heats water. I get cold or hot water whenever I want. It's hot enough to make cup ramen with.

I have a home in E Asia and we use an electric kettle there instead because space is very limited and you can put in on the counter (it's not instant but pretty damn fast. I think 30 sec?).

Either OP confirmed for poor non-American living in inferior conditions (smaller spaces) which forces them to use inferior water heating methods (waiting for a kettle to boil instead of having hot water on hand 24/7/365, but not realizing/realizing it until getting told.

So how is a coffee pot really all that different than an electric kettle? Both heat up water quickly to make a beverage, and you can make tea with a coffee pot by not adding any coffee. If you look at it in that way most American households have one, it just looks different.

>>4316694
>and you can make tea with a coffee pot by not adding any coffee

Have fun drinking tea that tastes like coffee from all the shit left over in there.

>>4316071

I would actually like that too, I'd use a stove kettle if I had one, as I've gone through 2 electric kettles in 4 years. At $15 each it's not exactly a pain on my wallet, but I'd rather buy 1 stove kettle that will last me 20 years than 10 electric kettles. (though the cost of heating the stove might make it even)

my current kettle is just about worn out, the heat element is acting up and the power contacts in the bottom have become worn, to the point they don't work all the time. I might look for a stove kettle this time.

This thread is tl;dr so I'm just going to say. It takes literally like 30 secs to heat up water in a microwave.

>>4318230

>>4315934

There is indeed quite an assortment of normal kettles on the Walmart website. Surprising.

I think it's a cultural things. Americans like their drip coffee, and kettles were mostly used for tea, drank by the English. They're probably not too concerned with kettles, just in spite, and despite the greater efficiency and convenience of the electric kettle.

They also love their cast iron. Don't ask me why, they just love them. It's beyond science, it's beyond religion. It's ... AMERICA!

>>4318230
>get a load of this guy

>>4318223
Try buying a more well made electric kettle next time? A $15 electric kettle sounds way too cheap for something that's thermally getting a beating every use, especially if you buy plastic. I would buy a glass or stainless steel if I were you.

I have this.
>tfw getting hot cocoa in only a few seconds

>>4318300
Is there a hot cocoa cup that doesn't taste awful? Though I don't like hot cocoa that's not made with heated milk so I might be biased against water based.

>>4316265
Chai chahiye.

>>4316273
In Australia we drink wine from bags.

I have a kettle sitting on my stove most of the time.
Why would I need to dish out another $20 to save 2 minutes?

>>4318334
we do that in the US too.
>>4316273
i know plenty of people who do. tea is actually pretty popular in the US nowadays

>>4315934
Because Americans can;t into tea.

>>4316031

stop obsessing

people are different. wow!

My face is full of fuck at this thought.
Danefag here... Americans seriously don't have Electric Kettles as a standard appliance? Over here it is just a basic thing... Like refrigerator or a stove... Something that you have because it just goes in the kitchen n' shit. I never boil water on my stove, unless I am boiling potatoes or some shit. For pasta and most other things, I just boil water in my electric kettle, and then pour it into the pot after... Uses less electricity and boils the water quicker.

Weird. These little cultural differences that can seem so big.

>>4315934
its the same reason everyhouse in korea or japan has a rice cooker

I'm sure there are Americans that do have electric kettles though I've not seen any myself. I think it's more that the majority of us are coffee drinkers and not so much into hot tea so it's not as common. Even as just an appliance for heating water most people would probably use a microwave if they don't use a stove.

Americans fear electricity as they can not understand or eat it

>>4318465
>Americans harnessed the power of electricity at a time Europeans feared it as the wrath of God

>>4318469
That was before the great dumbness

>>4318464
i drink tea, and i've always used a stove top kettle. My grandpa brought it with him from scotland when he came here, and i somehow ended up with it

I just make tea is a coffee pot. It works fine.

>>4315934
An American once told me that you guys microwave mugs of water for beverages like tea. Was he telling the truth or just fucking with me?

>boiling water in plastic

enjoy your cancer

>>4315993
We have kettle that give hot water instantly. You fill it up with cold water and pour out how water. Here is a 3 second kettle
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tefal-Quick-Cup-Water-Seconds/dp/B000SK9G52

Why the fuck would I want to deal with hard water scale buildup?
I boil water in a glass pot on the gas range.

I don't drink tea or coffee enough to have a dedicated piece of equipment for it taking up space on my counter.

>>4318230
fag

>>4315934
Mfw seeing a sign in a rented accommodation normally taken by Americans that says not to put the electric kettle on a stove top. I got talking to the owner and he said multiple times he has had Americans melt the things on top of the stove.

>>4315941
> US household electric power is 110V. That's half what you have in the UK

Electricity doesn't work like that son. The 220V is the same energy (amperage) as 110V, but half the wattage. 220v @ 50watts is the same as 110V @ 100watts. That's how a simple transformer (wire wrapped around an iron bar, adds no energy of its own) can turn 110V into 11,000V to power a neon sign or a bug zapper. 11kv sounds like a lot but not when its only pushing 0.05amps.

> On the other hand, electric ranges are 240V and thus much more powerful,

If you are getting your electric from a US power company it is not "220/230V". They don't deliver that to residences. The reason it is called that is your stove is being fed two separate 110V lines that are in different phases. So 220V is adding those together, but its misleading because there is never more than 110V anywhere in any of those circuits. If you take apart a heater/stove with 220 you'll see the two hot wires going to separate heating coils and sharing grounds/neutrals.

Phasing is especially effiecient for inductive loads (motors). Its exactly like your legs on a bicycle. Peddling a bike with one leg works, but its slow and hills are a bitch. Two legs pushing two pedals, working "in different phases", alternating, is way more efficient.

There is one advantage to 220 vs 110, but only when you are sending across long distances. The voltage drops as it travels. They send it to your neighborhood between 5-150kv, but somewhere on your block it is stepped down to 2 x 110 and only has to travel a short distance to your house. As long as you don't use long flimsy extension cords to power your electric lawnmower you won't miss it.

>>4316071

This.

>>4318628
> An American once told me that you guys microwave mugs of water for beverages like tea. Was he telling the truth or just fucking with me?

He's just fucking with you. Of course we only use microwaves to infuse extra lard into our well done steaks and other delicate gourmet tasks. Besides, who would be retarded enough to heat the occasional small mug of water in 30 seconds with a device that has no hot surfaces nor is a fire hazard and can be operated by a 6yr old?

Seriously man, if we drank as much tea as you dickheads, we would have a mind-boggling array of useless shit devices that would put your puny kettles to shame. But that is not the case.

>>4315975

Not the person you're responding to, but you're completely ignoring the difference in efficiency and how the different heating elements work.

Heating up a large or small element to head up a pot to head up a large mass of water uses up more time and energy than just using a tiny element immersed in the water to heat it up directly.

It's like saying a 20 mpg car is better than a 40 mpg one just because it uses more gas.

>tfw american with electric kettle

Why can't America into barely-functional washer/dryer combos in the kitchen?

Oh yeah, we have space.

Dear UK: call us when you're allowed to use knives.

>>4318450

What do I need an electric kettle for? I have a Keurig for coffee and tea. And a rarely want tea.

WE.

DON'T.

DRINK.

TEA.

Get over it.

>>4319798
But Americans DO drink tea. Not just that Brisk shit. I know of a lot of people that love iced black tea.

>>4319798
We do drink tea. I've never been to a house that didn't have a kettle on or near the stove. Everyone seems to be content with that so no need for an electric one.

Im just popping in to say I have an electric kettle and have for years. I use it for tea, coffee (filter and french press), ramen, and for just about anything else for which you need hot water.
I wasnt aware that it is not a standard kitchen appliance.

dear UK:

americans invented a thing called a pan and we put water in it and heat it up in our space stoves and pour it into our freedom chalices this is why we kicked your ass in 1776 and you never make any good films except ones that satirize american cinema

damn

>>4319838
this

>>4319838
>>4319846
Samefag pls

>>4319798
Yes we do?

>>4319798
Have you ever been to georgia? they offer you sweet iced tea with fucking everything.

>>4319849

Go to the South? Of course not.

because i have a microwave... The one thing its good for is heating water

>>4319853
Enjoy you are superheated water explosion and burns.

>>4319854
or im not retarded and put a skewer in the water

>>4319851
so, you refuse to visit half your country? Do you only visit the same 5 restaurants, and never travel abroad?

>>4319860
>Do you only visit the same 5 restaurants, and never travel abroad?
You do realize we're talking about Americans here, right? Why would they travel abroad to those faggy European cuntries or communist cuntries when they have their God, their Ritalin, their iPhones, and their fast food?

>>4319860

PROTIP: America is big.

>>4319867

Mmm, Ritalin.

>>4319868
That was the fucking point. If he won't even go to the "south", how would he deal with people who don't even speak english, or worship this jesus fellow?

Americans don't make so much tea. They don't need a lot of convenient boiled water. It isn't resistance, it's a lack of a need for it.

Its like saying that men resist using tampons in their asses when the fact is that they don't need to because it's pointless for them.

I however, do use an ass-tampon, because I make a lot of tea. I mean, wait, what?

>tfw American and I own two electric kettles, one for work one for home
>drink tea all day long at the office
>coworkers marvel at my kettle like its a new invention I built myself or something
>they start borrowing my from my tea chest
>tea time every afternoon

>>4320115
Are these your co-workers?

>>4319888
I don't drink tea and I think they're nice to have when making quick pasta or something

>>4320115
Sounds like either you and/or your coworkers are gay.

>>4320235
Sounds like you're projecting

Everybody drinks coffee in America.

>>4320207
How hard is it to boil water? A kettle is unnecessary.

Because we have coffee pots we work, for all intents and purposes, the same as an electric kettle if you don't put coffee grinds in.