/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>putting a more than likely small, independent Chinese take away out of business because you found something that isn't supposed to be there
>shiggy

Having the head still be attached is very normal is Chinese cooking of chicken.

Most places in the US would not include it due to this sort of ignorant reaction, though.

What did he order?

>>4047393
Its a fucking chicken head

A fucking head. Do you think they pay attention to how they cook and prepare their food if they let heads get in there? Imagine all the other shit...

>>4047403

Sorry, 'in' Chinese cooking.

If he ordered cashew chicken I can see being a touch upset, but if it was authentic food it's different. Besides, it's not a health hazard so long as it's cooked.

>>4047383

I eat chicken dishes all the time in HK with the head still attached. It's not really a problem unless you make it one, because you're not meant to eat it anyway.

It's cooked all the way through, stop being an asshole and live with it.

>>4047404
some drunk chef makes a relatively harmless mistake and you want to put the place out of business and basically destroy everything a family has worked for.
This is why America sucks, because of people like you.
Complain, get a few free meals, and shut your entitled hole.

>>4047417

It's likely not a mistake. This is common in many preparations.

>>4047383
yeah, you guys are fucking assholes.

>>4047404
I've made fishead curry before with some grouper and snapper heads, it was excellent. Some bones from my turkey carcass accidentally made it into the finished product of my soup the other day. Pick around the damn shit.

It's not a health hazard, it's cooked. Some chef probably got wasted and did something he was used to doing to enhance flavor, and he forgot to take it out because of sensitive Amerifats.

I'd rather have a place that does this instead of killing me with sugar and sodium like Panda Express.

>>4047408
>Besides, it's not a health hazard so long as it's cooked.
This Case dismissed.

>>4047435
>Till op and retarded friends all choke to death after they try to swallow forks as there is no warning on the item.

>>4047429

Yeah, if anything I'd want to go here because it means someone in the back actually knows what they're doing. You can get legit Chinese from these people OP, even if they don't have a menu you can ask them straight up.

>>4047417
This. Settle it with the restaurant directly and out of court. You get something for it, the place doesn't go out of business, you don't need to give a load of money to a lawyer.

Win all around until you learn to stop acting like a bitch in the future.

Oh no, your chicken has chicken in it lol tiem 4 lawsut yaymerikuh

>not eating the chicken head

The chef went out of his way to leave you a delicacy, and you don't eat it? How rude.

>>4047445
That's absurd. You put Chinese food on a plate. You don't put it in a bucket and munch on it blindly like popcorn. You can easily spot the head if you put in on a plate.

Don't know what's worse. Suing them just to get some money out of this or because they actually felt mistreated because something icky was in their food.

Your friend is going to be disappointed after talking to that lawyer. Did he suffer any injury or damages as a result of having the chicken head in there? I don't think so.

>>4047473
and "I was grossed out" doesn't get you far

bitch ass nigga

>>4047403
>Most places in the US would not include it due to this sort of ignorant reaction, though.
Fucking truth.

It's not like they've found something wasn't supposed be there, ie. a human finger.

Your friends are fucking idiots.

>>4047383
Well, I figured out how to troll /ck/ from now on. I'll wait 3-6 months and try it.

You can sue for the value of a meal at Crystal Palace.

No because it is a natural item that could be eaten. You'd be able to sue if you found something foreign like metal.

>>4047383
Stop being a little bitch, OP

They can't sue for anything. They'd be lucky to get anything even if they bit into the head.

1. They don't butcher the meat and didn't intentionally give you a head
2. Chicken head is still chicken, and I doubt their menu specifies a specific part of the animal. They ordered chicken, they got chicken.

You're supposed to stab it with a chopstick and suck out the head goodies.

That would be like suing them for serving you an oxtail or duck's blood soup when it's clearly part of the dish.

OP and friends is a/are faggot(s).

Sorry OP, you ain't getting a quick buck. Faggot.

>>4047581
> I doubt their menu specifies a specific part of the animal
>not specifying chicken wings, legs, breast or filet
what kind of shitty place do you eat at?

>someone served me food at a restaurant can I sue them?

>not valuing the entire animal
shwiggy

>>4047640
>Someone gave me more food than i asked for can i sue them for trying to make me fat?

OP we bet better off to stick with Mcdonalds

Faggot, the head is probably supposed to be there. My mom works at a Chinese place and they put chicken feet into their soup for flavoring. Newsflash, different countries have different eating habits.

>>4047417

>Entitled

Get the fuck out of here. This man found a nasty-ass chicken head in a place that's bound by fucking law to not be a gross shitpile and HE'S the one who's entitled?

>Oh the chef was drunk, honest mistake!

Yeah, getting drunk on the job, what silly luck! Next time he'll throw in some raw meat laced with e. coli. But you shouldn't do anything about it, it's just an accident! Gosh!

>>4047839
he found a cooked chicken head. you don't eat your chicken heads and offal? what a faggot you must be.

>>4047847

Yeah I love the tasty crunch of shattering skull fragments and other deliciously obnoxious parts of chicken anatomy I don't like in my mouth.

>>4047849
>what is a garnish?

>>4047849
>he doesn't eat giblets

The chicken brain is considered a delicacy and chinese customers will actually have Words with a capital W with the management if the head is not included in a dish.

I once ordered half a chicken dish at a chinese restaurant, was amused that I got exactly half a chicken head neatly carved by a cleaver and 1 chicken foot (the foot is also considered a delicacy, boned or deboned).

> My food was icky, can I sue the restaurant?

>>4047858

I can't imagine how one would go about deboning a chicken foot. There's very little else in a chicken foot.

I think that you should just get a free meal
if you got something you didn't order and don't want, then you should just take it back and request that they give you a new order

google image implies (by the rarity of this image) that this might be true.

even so, why sue? think, rather, about what you're munching.

chicken body. chicken body parts. yum or not?

What you eat are choices, and should be informed and deliberate ones.

Some nigger got 800K for finding a chicken head in her nuggets at McDonalds. It was breaded and cooked just as some faggots were saying in this thread. Good luck OP. Hope you get rich brah.

>>4047960
That's McDonalds though, not a chinese restaurant where you can expect that some people will actually want to order chicken heads.

>>4047960

I hope you and OP are in a high intensity sword fight, and both accidentally cut off each others penises.

Shame on you for supporting litigation against a small business for something that couldn't have caused any harm to anyone.

Fucking white people.

>>4048017
Fuck are you whining about? Finding a chicken head in a meal is a clear indication that food safety concerns are not heeded.

>>4048151
Go back to applebees.

>>4048151
How is a fully cooked chicken head unsafe?

>>4047662
>i intentionally ate more than i should can i sue them?

>>4047404

You can eat fucking chicken heads you know

i really doubt you could sue. it was a piece of the animal included in the dish, it's not like a metal tool was left inside you after a surgery. also, probably scared to see the head and face of something you're eating.

>>4048181
How about fully cooked roadkill(actually is safe)? How about fully cooked rat?

The point is that it should not be there, and the fact that it is indicates that somewhere there has been oversights regarding food safety and these oversights may also include things beyond chickenheads.

>>4048226

As I said earlier: it depends on what he ordered. This is a normal thing to do in Chinese cooking.


Roadkill is technically fine, but you need to take precautions as you would with any wild game. Rat tends to be a disease carrier, and doesn't have much meat or good flavor, but can work.

>>4047481
>>4047481

that's actually incorrect. mental anguish and distress can definitely constitute damages under the prescribed legislation.

the real question is, did the claimant suffer damages as a result of receiving something in his food that ought not to have been there?

for example, kfc advertises and sells specific cuts of meat. finding a chicken head would be against the customers expectations as they ordered food that does not include a chicken head.

a chinese store, on the other hand, doesn't advertise specific cuts, usually. the chicken head could indeed be part of the dish.

the most likely situation of redress is simply a refund due to receiving the "wrong item/meal", so to speak.

>>4048226
Provided they've been put under refrigeration after being slaughtered, rats are a delicacy in some parts of the world. Roadkill is a trickier answer, if it was run over probably not, but I've known of people who have hit a deer, taken it home and butchered it.
Also, implying chinese places don't buy chickens totally intact. Go in an asian market sometime, and buy a whole roasted chicken or duck, you white bread motherfucker.

If this is a troll, 10/10.

If not, fuck you and your friends.

All us Americans are about is suing. You should shove that chicken head up your friend's spoiled dumbass you fucking cunt.
9/10 yes I'm fucking mad

Why the fuck would you waist your fucking time sueing for something like this? You ordered fucking chicken and looks like there was a chicken head included.

eat it

Simply because you can eat it doesn't mean they can just put it in there. If I order chicken fried rice, and the chicken is stated to be white meat chicken, I expect white meat chicken. You can't just throw in a cooked chicken foot or head and call it okay.

Given, I wouldn't sue the place over it, but I would ask for my money back and not eat there anymore.

That's strange, I found cat paws in my pan of chicken heads recently . . . .

Hhhmmmm

This is a troll but hypothetically anyone wanting to ruin a family's life by suing a small independent restaurant over being "sicked out" should be lined up against a wall and shot

>>4047890
Essentially speaking you soak it in lye and once the gelatinous foot has become soft, you put it in a slow blender of sorts to separate the chicken bones from the feet flesh. The flesh is molded into a solid block a bit like head cheese.

I always laugh when I see stupid Americans acting like this. To you, falling over on a sidewalk or finding something in your food is like winning the lottery. You WANT to find disgusting things. How did finding a chicken head in your meal cause you any sort of financial burden?

It didn't. At most they should replace the meal. I can just imagine the stupid, smug looks on your fat faces as you roll into the lawyers office on your mobility scooters.

>>4048259
>mad chink detected, did a white guy take your girl?
>>4048246
>As I said earlier: it depends on what he ordered. This is a normal thing to do in Chinese cooking.
If the menu stated that a chickenhead would be included in the meal then obviously there is nothing wrong, but it seems that it wasnt which implies that not enough effort is put into making the food safe.

>>4048365
Most restaurants do not include a list of ingredients with each menu item, only a vague description coupled with vivid language to entice customers.

There is nothing unsafe about eating the head of an animal. If you are squeamish, then you probably shouldn't be eating at ethnic restaurants.

That shit is fucking good find! Your friends are pussy little bitches. I'm a white American but people like you are fucking pathetic.

>>4048383
Come the fuck on. if this happened at McDonalds they sure as shit would be getting sued even though they dont list all the ingredients in their McNggets. And Im sure the same thing would be true at a French restaurant, or a German restaurant,

>>4048403

You need to try more authentic Asian food then.

>>4048403
But OP went to a Chinese restaurant. Not McDonalds.

Also, this is about as retarded as expecting a dish in a French restaurant to not contain alcohol or a German restaurant to not contain animal fats. It is so obvious as to go without saying.

>>4048408
Look, I'll agree that if the dish is supposed to include chickenhead the restaurant did nothing wrong, but if that is not the case something is clearly wrong.

>>4048426
Im not so sure that most Chinese include chickenhead.

>>4048403
>comparing real food to chicken mcnuggets
>stating that they do not serve offal in french or german restaurants
Yeah because raw diseased liver, poached brains, braised heart, head-on fish, roe, and frog legs aren't glorious parts of European cooking.

You are a childish twat.

>>4048428

What was the dish ordered?

>>4048428
>order chicken dish
>get angry that dish contains chicken
Fuck off.

>>4048430

Many chicken based Chinese dishes do. Soups and fried.

>>4047839

>This man found a nasty-ass chicken head

Why is the head any different from the rest of the chicken? If you eat meat, embrace all of it

>>4048431
>missing the point

>>4048433
Reading comprehension is lacking over here.

>>4048432
Dunno, OP didnt say.

>>4047404
For fuck's sake, it's a cooked chicken head you found at a place where people don't mind eating the heads of chickens.

Save this shit for McDonalds, you greedy dick

One time I found a big spider in my soup from this Chinese take out joint near my house.

You know what I did? use a spoon and removed the spider from the soup, and proceeded to drink the soup because I am not a fucking pussy ass nigger like OP.

Besides the place has always been good to me, and their salt and pepper pork chops are the best I've ever eaten.

You want to potentially ruin multiple families livelihoods because you can't stand a simple mistake?

Grow some balls you fucking pussy.

I doubt the Chinese place in question even butchers their own meat.

>>4048496
It's not a mistake.

You're supposed to kind of stab the back part of its head where its soft with a chopstick and eat the delicious grey matter.

It's what my uncle showed me when we had some delicious orange squab about a mile inland to China from Macau.

RORORORORORORO
Even if you sue all they gotta do is that there is usually chicken parts like that in the dish. Nothing saying there isn't. Doesn't matter what you expected of them. No wording saying what parts is in a dish? You got nothing except a lawyer fee
McDonald is different from local restaurants you dumb shits. They are a chain restaurant with certain standards serving meals that is exactly the same shit every single time. They list the ingredients by the chemical. Local places does not. Their products aren't as regulated as McDs granted they still have to keep the same cleanliness standard as each other local places aren't receiving factory regulated products so it is expected to not receive the same consistent meal every time albeit its good restaurant practice to have a consistent product
Not sure if this is a troll but if you do try and sue your friend is contributing to the moral and social degeneration of America and to that I say fuck you.

>>4048493
Holy shit, I would've had a stroke.

This troll is hilarious. It plays into every single stereotype we assume about americlaps.

>vexatious litigant
>xenophobic
>ignorant
>orders chicken from a Chinese restaurant
>fixation on "winning"

>>4048542
>xenophobic
You might want to look up that word before you start throwing it around, champ.

Guys, I went to a Japanese restaurant and ordered some food, and I got A FUCKING HEAD in my dish.

Can I sue?

How much can I get?

Went to have some barbecue from a place called Herdy Gerdy's. Find a HEAD on the table.

Can I sue?

How much can I get?

>>4048542
>tumblr social-justice warrior detected
pls kill yourself

>>4047420
Agreed.

OP is typical with whats wrong with the world. Want something for nothing and hoping they can get rich quick by taking advantage of other people.

You and your friends are assholes OP

>>4048549
>>4048590

you are both wrong and stupid
go be angry on /v/ or /a/

They ordered chicken and received chicken, what's the problem?

>>4047383

>>Chinese restaurant
>>chicken head

He has no case, they'll just claim its a traditional ingredient.

>>4048590
>anon states facts and finds it amusing
>tumblr social justice warrior

I don't think so. Try some reading comprehension sometime.

That's why USA envy Canada. Lack of bitching assholes.
That's cooked chincken head in a chicken dish. It probably has to be there and quite tasty too.
Be like that shitty old lady with hot coffee in McD, have no responsibility for your lack of common sense and balls.

Americans will sue you for anything simply because they're too dumb to solve your problems themselves.

Not /ck/ related. You're trying to jew someone out of business for a small mistake, don't pretend you give a shit about the quality of the other meals they make.
>How much would they get?
Fuck off

>my coffee was hot so i burned myself
sadly, this held up in court.

its people like you OP why i get luke warm coffee and no traditional chinese food

>>4048882
>no traditional chinese food
I've been to china. This is a good thing.

>>4048882

they still serve hot coffee.

the lawsuit was because her coffee was scalding hot and burned her seriously.

>>4047404
QUIT MAKING EXCUSED YOU FUCKING LIBERAL ENTITLED DEGENERATE. i HATE YOUR KIND MORE THAN NAY OTHER BECAUSE YOU EITHER DON'T KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR ACTIONS, OR YOU DON'T CARE, AND PEOPLE SUFFER.

I'LL BET YOU AND YOUR FAGGOT FRIENDS HAVE TRUST FUNDS AND HAND-ME-DOWN HOMES.

I'll bet OP's a real chicken head.

>>4048894

>YOU EITHER DON'T KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR ACTIONS, OR YOU DON'T CARE, AND PEOPLE SUFFER.

This is hilariously ironic. If they don't pay attention to how they make their food and let a fucking chicken head into your food and somebody bites down into a fucking chicken's skull and beak and fucks up their mouth, teeth or jaw, that's not a "consequence of somebody's actions?"

They fucked up. Why can't you fucking admit it? Why are you so adamant about defending shitty quality and work ethic? Why do you think everyone should be sloppy and indifferent to their work? I just don't get it.

>>4048887
not if you have to run threw a mcdonalds drive threw when you are running late for work.

>>4048882
I used to think the same thing, then I read the full story, pic related. McDonalds got off way too easy if you ask me.

>>4048902
There's a difference between forgetting to remove a head from a pile of chopped chicken and spilling a bottle of drano into the cooking pot. Stop making excuses and go occupy hurr street.

>>4048902

The same shit could be said for the eater. How can you not notice what you putting into your mouth? Why are you blaming someone else for what YOU did?

He included it because you and your friends are dumb shits and need to eat more brains to be a little smarter.

>>4048902
Also why would even the dumbest dumb shit pick up a chicken head and bite into it?

Look, you tell your friends to just bring it to the proprietors attention and take your profligacy elsewhere. Chinese takeout places are fast-paced for cooks and if you can't overlook a minor misstep, preservative-packed fast food might be more your speed.

I would be heartbroken if my favorite Asian buffet was shut down because of some faggot complaining about being oppressed by a chicken head.

>>4048923
>>4048918
dumbshitmind

>>4048913
Not really, there's obviously an expectation of certain quality when at a restaurant.. that argument doesn't apply here.

>>4048907
Nice.

>>4048911
Expecting a level of quality = Occupy Wall St.?

>>4048902
The chicken wasn't accidentally put in the food, it was purposely put in the food as it's clearly been cooked and seasoned etc and as others have said, many dishes include the chicken's head so you can eat the brain.

If you don't want "nasty" food then don't go to authentic chinese restaurants. Did you think you were hot shit going into a place where there were no other white people around? Shit like this is why those real, traditional, ethnic restaurants HATE when white people stumble in because they know they are going to fuss and act retarded over the menu.

Go fuck yourself OP.

Andrew Zimmerman would cream himself to find a chicken head cooked like that, quit being a faggot.

>>4048928
What aren't you understanding about the chicken head being a part of the meal? Are you really that stupid? Just shoot yourself in the head, please.

>>4048942
andrew zimmerman went to Ethiopia and insulted there food.

>>4048945

Because that's not any fun, and here on 4chan we like to troll and perpetuate bullshit even if the facts are fucking clear.

>>4048947
That's because Ethiopia is a shithole and everyone knows it, we're talking about traditional chinese food here.

>>4048951
my point is he is a fat, white amercan who has no respect for culture.

>>4048947
Because they served him fucking eggs cooked in dirt. They're arguably the dumbest people alive.
OP makes a close second.

>>4048956

You're not seriously implying that there is an African country with anything that could possibly resemble culture, are you?

>>4048894
>liberal
>imply a liberal wouldn't gobble down the chicken head and chuckle to his/herself while asking the chef for the chicken head recipe so that they can culturally enrich themselves some more on the way home from the unemployment office

>>4048976
You know almost nothing about any African country and probably couldn't name more than five or six of them

If he took a bite unseeing, and chipped a tooth, he might have a small claims. It's not deadly. It's not traumatic. There's nothing to sue for except a refund at the time of this happening. Getting some random chicken part isn't a lottery ticket.

>>4048986
butthurt ethiopian detected

what's it like needing to be dewormed every month because your shit culture hasn't learned to cook meat yet?

>>4049004
>impying ethiopians have internet

I ordered wings from a pizza place and there was a big fucking feather still stuck to one. Deep fried and all. Nobody saw it get tossed in or bothered to pick it out when they prepared it? My friend ate it but it was still weird.

>>4049005
As an aside, the internet in Ethiopia is frustratingly slow.

>>4048950
It is shitposting, even if you do it ironically. If everyone in the thread made you look like an asshole and you backtrack to say you were trolling, it's not trolling. It's damage control.

>>4049009
Happened to me at Bojangles. I removed the feather and ate my chicken like an adult, instead of throwing a temper tantrum like OP and demanding reparations.

You did the right thing, 4048950

No and that's stupid. Americunts need to stop being so sue-happy.

>people getting butthurt at lawsuit directed towards dirty heathen chinks
I hope they take them for everything, OP.

>>4048985
>yfw Republican states are among the poorest and have the most welfare recipients

lel

>>4049046
>Americunts need to stop being so sue-happy.
Why? Might as well take what you can from business that have shoddy practices

>>4049061
Yes, because you're really hurting the business instead of the low-end employees who can't keep their jobs because of cutbacks, or the business simply passing the bill onto the consumers.

Are you in high school?


>>4049056
http://www.npr.org/assets/news/2011/12/poll/topline.pdf

nope.jpg

>>4049074
That poll doesn't prove shit, you know.

>>4049086
It shows that despite red states receiving more welfare, 72% goes to democratic-voting individuals.

A quick google search would show numerous other sources, but considering this is from NPR, which leans left, then you can pretty much tell that this isn't partisan spin.

>>4047383
>americans
>not entitled

>>4049090
>republican policies creating more poverty than democratic poverty
>victims decide to vote in the other direction

Hmm.

>>4049098
>this is what liberals actually believe

>>>/pol/

>>4049100
Look at the voting trends of the 10 poorest and 10 richest states.

>>4049090
Find more credible sources plz.

>>4049109
>>4049110
>>>/pol/

>>4048907
There is only so hot that water can get before it boils away and turns to steam. When I order coffee, or any drink that requires boiling to make, I expect to receive it at the highest possible temperature that it can get before it boils away and turns to steam. If I make/order a coffee or tea, I expect to have to wait 5-10 minutes before I can even think about drinking it. If I'm unable to drink it because it'll burn my mouth, obviously it'll be fucking hot enough to burn my skin. This woman spilling coffee on her lap is her own fault and McDonalds shouldn't have to pay her for her own mistakes.

>>4049304
>making tea or coffee with the hottest water possible

Yeah, your opinions are invalid.

>>4049307
>put water in kettle
>boil
>while it's vigorously boiling, pour into mug

Yeah I do, and it tastes great.

I don't want a piss warm drink, especially when they list coffee as a "hot drink". Hot things burn you if you've never noticed, and you need to be careful around hot things. Yesterday when making dinner, I lifted the lid of something and the steam blasted my hand and burned it pretty badly. Nothing too serious, but it was fucking painful. I put my hand under cool water for like 30 seconds and called it a day. I didn't cry to the microwave company about how they're making my food too hot or some shit like that.

Next you're going to tell me that somebody burned their hand on a cheese flambe that was served to them on fire and sued some company for millions of dollars. What a shitty world we live in where you can sue someone for your own stupid mistakes.

>>4049319
What's funny is the safety method they have adopted, putting "caution: hot drinks are hot" on the cup would not have prevented the lady from spilling the coffee on her lap.

>>4049319

It's a question of expectations. Take coffee from 99% of restaurants, truck stops, convenience stores, and fast food chains. Spill some on your skin, it hurts because it is hot, just as expected.

McDonald's coffee is confirmed (you can google this) to have inordinately high temperatures which are not even close to industry standard coffee serving temperatures. Think it's no big deal? Go down to your local McDonalds tomorrow morning and slowly pour a 20 oz coffee on your hand. Most other places will be like "ouch that hurts", just as you would expect. McDonalds, you're likely to get severe blisters. Not what you would expect.

They've basically admitted they'll pay for lawsuits because their analysts have calculated that their customers like coffee to be much hotter than average. You can also look this up.

If they had a label that said "warning our coffee is much hotter than any other coffee" it would be one thing. But when people say coffee is hot, common sense suggests dismissing the warning because normal coffee hot isn't dangerous, like McDonalds coffee is.

>>4049409
As I've heard, it's because they expect people, in the drive through at least, to wait to drink their coffee until they get to the office or home. Thereby giving the coffee time to cool.

As I recall, the lady had ordered her coffee at the drive through, and was holding the cup inbetween her knees and was attempting to pour sugar and cream into her coffee.

She was also wearing nylon leggings, so that absorbed the water and kept the burning heat closer to her skin longer.

>>4049409
To be totally honest, I would think (and expect) that pouring any coffee on my hand should give me at least second degree burns. Also, I've never really noticed their coffee being hotter than others, but have you ever tried Tim Horton's tea? Holy shit that stuff is hot. It honestly feels like that's beyond 100°C somehow. Even still, I've spilled in on my hands before, my sister has as well on multiple occasions, every one of my friends who's worked at Tim Horton's at some point in their life (like 5 of of them) have all spilled coffee and tea on themselves before and gotten relatively bad burns from it. Even the ones who burned themselves while at work, this shouldn't be a fault of the company because their hot drink is "too hot".

>>4049421

That's what I recall as well. Thing is if they just used styrofoam cups like a lot of those kinds of places do, they wouldn't need to serve coffee at 212 degrees fahreheit or whatever. But they have to use paper cups because styrofoam is seen as environmentally more harmful than paper.

I guess their PR people decided the negative PR of environmentalism was worse than the negative PR of burning old ladies vagina's off.

>>4049434
As I recall, it's 160 degrees fahrenheit. I think most home coffee makers brew coffee at 120-ish degrees.

>>4049304
>This woman spilling coffee on her lap is her own fault and McDonalds shouldn't have to pay her for her own mistakes.

the woman needed skin grafts to cover the third degree burns

> Liebeck was wearing cotton sweatpants; they absorbed the coffee and held it against her skin, scalding her thighs, buttocks, and groin.[12] Liebeck was taken to the hospital, where it was determined that she had suffered third-degree burns on six percent of her skin and lesser burns over sixteen percent.[13] She remained in the hospital for eight days while she underwent skin grafting. During this period, Liebeck lost 20 pounds (9 kg, nearly 20% of her body weight), reducing her down to 83 pounds (38 kg).[14] Two years of medical treatment followed.

the coffee was kept ridiculously hot, hotter than most places. i think a lawsuit to cover her medical expenses incurred from buying a needlessy unsafe product is reasonable.

>>4049468
That's like suing a car company because a vehicle they made ran you over when you jaywalked across the freeway.

>I needed medical treatment to fix the problem that I myself put myself in.

This is a bullshit excuse and would never fly in an idealized world.

>>4049477

No, it's more like suing a car company because the salesman said "warning it's really fast and sometimes has a mind of its own lol" and the accelerator got stuck and you crashed and burned.

>>4049483
>Toyota: Moving forward, even if you don't want to.

>>4049468
>cotton sweatpants
While it's unfortunate that this caused the coffee to burn her more, these pants were not forced upon her by McDonalds

>coffee was kept ridiculously hot
Why does nobody understand that this is a good thing? Coffee is labelled as a "hot drink" and the hotter it is when you receive it, the longer it'll stay as a hot drink instead of a lukewarm drink.

The lawsuit wasn't even to cover her medical expenses; if it was, she would have sued for $10000, not 3 million.

If she was living in Canada where her skin grafts are free, she still would have sued because "her hot drink was too hot". This is a case of human stupidity and lack of self awareness, not a fault on the company. If the worker at McDonalds accidentally dropped the drink on her lap, then I would understand this, but the woman did it herself.

>>4049493
I'm actually surprised she didn't turn around and sue her friend for driving the car that she was in at the time of the coffee spilling.

>>4049493
> Coffee is labelled as a "hot drink"

And dish detergent usually says "cuts grease". But if a manufacturer put pure lye in a bottle of normal ordinary hand wash dish soap, you can bet there would be lawsuits after people's skin starts falling off.

Stop listening to so much rush limbaugh.

>>4049502
Well it sounds like now we need to define what a "hot drink" really is. Personally, I would consider it to be anything from steaming to boiling, but apparently most people are too plebeian to comprehend such high temperatures. Still, anything that's "hot" can and will burn you no matter what, especially if you're a frail old woman spilling it on one of the most sensitive parts of your body.

I don't even know who Rush Limbaugh is.

>>4049502
How is it McDonald's fault the lady was clumsy? Anybody that has ever bought coffee there would know that it was hot. While I feel bad for her 3rd degree burns, at most she should have only had her medical fees paid for not millions over that.

>>4049524
>>4049529

A hot drink is just a drink that is hot. My point is that you can meet the technical definition perfectly, and still find ways to fuck someone over based on reasonable expectations. It is not normal to handle coffee as though it was capable of causing third degree burns.

To use another example, I keep my kitchen knives sharp. Like, really fucking sharp. I use a progression of japanese waterstones and finish on a chromium oxide hanging strop. If you handle them like typical household kitchen knives, you will end up in the hospital and probably require a few stitches, if not worse.

It would be funny if I just said "haha they're sharp be careful" but all knives are sharp to a degree, and the consequences of being misunderstood are pretty serious. For this reason I physically stop my house guests from handling my knives until I have taken steps to verify that they understand what that really means.

It is McDonalds's fault because they failed to take extraordinary steps to warn people, despite creating an extraordinary situation with their coffee. Just saying "it's hot" is insufficient because it will be misunderstood by most people.

>>4049493
The car was stationary in the car park.
>>4049498
The coffee was hot enough to cause third degree burns, take a look at the pictures. The 2.7 million was punitive damages; a way to get McDonalds to change their policy. They asked for it to be lowered from their range of 82-88 degrees to reduce the risk of more people being scalded. She didn't get 2.7 million herself, in fact it was reduced to $600,000 anyway.

It's very popular for people to rave about the McDonalds case despite knowing fuck all about it other than AMERICANS SUE WHEN THEY GET SAND IN THEIR VAGINA. It's actually repulsive. Fuck McDonalds and their shitty coffee is still too fucking hot.

>>4049553
Well, I suppose it's just human nature to not take responsibility for your own actions and to constantly try to put the blame on other people. I understand why you believe McDonalds is at fault and I partly agree, but this woman needs to take responsibility for her own stupidity of trying to hold a cup of hot coffee between her legs in a moving vehicle. Sometimes I'll be doing something and think, "this doesn't seem very smart" and then I'll stop doing what I was doing. Clearly that process didn't happen with this woman and she suffered because of it. I have no sympathy for her.

>>4049558
Even if it was stationary, if she's too old and weak to be able to hold a coffee securely between her legs, she shouldn't have done it. An 80 year old woman should know her limitations and work around them. If that means asking someone to help her with her drink, then so be it.

>>4049564

It wasn't a moving vehicle. Everyone takes risks based on their weighted understanding of the consequences. I'll bet those times you think "that doesn't seem very smart", you wouldn't have considered it if the consequences were 10x worse than they were.

>>4049562
The documentary 'Hot Coffee' was very well made, covered the whole incident very well. The best part was in regard to tort reform, lobbyists using the case in order to reduce civil justice against big firms calling them 'frivolous lawsuits'. Even in the UK where I am, I heard about "some stupid woman who spilled coffee on herself, hence why we have CAUTION HOT on the cups" unaware of the reality of the situation. It's scary how poorly the media portrayed it too.

>>4049572
That's not the point, it's the fact the coffee was hot enough to cause burns like this. She acknowledged it was partly her fault but sued in order to get McDonalds to lower the temperature so it wouldn't happen to anyone else.

>>4049607

lord god you do realize this is a food board don't you?

>>4049607

All I can see here is justice. Lazy old crone thought she deserved the world, and got more than she bargained for.

Another fine Obama voter in action.

>>4049607
Looking at that picture, that does not look like burns caused by water. I can't even find an image of a burn caused by steam that looks that severe. Either that's an image of days later and rotted flesh of there's something fishy going on here. Until I see more cases of water causing burns that severe, I'm going to believe that that's not even possible.

>>4049617
or there's*

>>4048902
Shut the fuck up. If you don't notice you're eating a chicken head before you put it in your mouth, you're a fat piece of shit who should have gone to McDonalds instead.
If I found a chicken head in my shit, I'd be stoked. It means the place is legit and knows how to cook they food n shit.
It's not about not paying attention, it's about how they decided to cook their food FOR YOU. Quit being a little faggot and eat its fucking brain already.

>>4049617
She's in her 80's. Their skin in paper thin. Scalding hot liquid can do that to skin.

>>4049617

Of course it's fishy. Water cannot cause burns that severe, once you heat it above 100C it boils off into steam.

>>4049617
It's a coffee.
>>4049614
Do you even know what happened in the case or are you listening to the tort reform campaign propaganda?
>hurr frivolous lawsuits
>hurr slowing down business

>>4049617
>something fishy
>around her vaginal cavity
lol

>>4049625
That's what I mean. Go take a piece of meat and pour boiling water on it. Water simply can't do that much damage to flesh.

>>4049624
The coffee would have been below boiling when it was served to her. It couldn't have done that no matter how weak her skin is.

>>4049627
Coffee and water can both reach the same temperature before turning to steam. The point still stands

>>4049628
I knew someone was going to make that joke and I was even thinking about if I should reword it or not.

>>4049627

I know a stupid old lady burned herself with coffee and expected free money in return.

Did you know that most business owners started their businesses to make money and not to support moochers who will do anything for a free ride?

>>4049658
the money was used for her medical care

>>4049665
The numbers I've seen so far is that her medical care cost 10 000 dollars and she was awarded anywhere between 600 000 and 3 million dollars, so your argument doesn't make sense.

>inb4 emotional grief

>>4049668
For burns like that? I think not.

>>4049674
Well that's what everyone is saying the cost of her skin grafts cost. I don't know, I live in a country that pays to keep me in good health for free.

>>4049668

You must be from Cuba or something. $10,000 dollars is like the cost of an ambulance and a brief consultation in the emergency room.

>>4049319
>scalding his coffee beans and tea leaves with boiling water

lol why are you on /ck/?

>>4049319
>Yesterday when making dinner, I lifted the lid of something and the steam blasted my hand and burned it pretty badly. Nothing too serious, but it was fucking painful. I put my hand under cool water for like 30 seconds and called it a day. I didn't cry to the microwave company about how they're making my food too hot or some shit like that.
So you drink tea with boiling water and your dinner comes from the microwave? Pleb styles bro, pleb styles.

>>4049695
I'm only going by the numbers posted in this thread. I live in Canada, where an ambulance costs 50 bucks and everything else is free.

>>4049695
>$10,000 dollars is like the cost of an ambulance and a brief consultation in the emergency room.
wut.

>>4049697
>using whole beans to brew your coffee
>being this pleb

>>4049705
Yeah, I like the taste of my tea when I pour boiling water on it. Sorry I do things the way I like them.

>>4049705
Not the entire dinner you dumbass. I microwaved some frozen peas.

>>4049712
How did I even fuck that up that badly? First reply was for
>>4049697

>>4049668
Punitive damages. It's been explained already. It's a high sum in order to make the company change their policy.
>They awarded Liebeck US$200,000 in compensatory damages, which was then reduced by 20% to $160,000. In addition, they awarded her $2.7 million in punitive damages. The jurors apparently arrived at this figure from Morgan's suggestion to penalize McDonald's for one or two days' worth of coffee revenues, which were about $1.35 million per day.
>The judge reduced punitive damages to $480,000, three times the compensatory amount, for a total of $640,000. The decision was appealed by both McDonald's and Liebeck in December 1994, but the parties settled out of court for an undisclosed amount less than $600,000.

>>4049717
I'm not going to try and pretend that I'm a master of law, but I understand what you're saying. However, why couldn't part of the settlement be that McDonald's is forced to change their policy instead of just paying this woman a bunch of money and hoping that McDonald's will change their policy on their own?

>>4049710
>implying ground coffee is somehow not made from coffee beans

>>4049712
>I microwaved some frozen peas.
How jejune!

And in a container with a lid? How maladroit!

>>4049735
Because the Lawyers prefer the Punitive damages. Because they get 20-35% of that cash. Why do you think there are ads on TV all the time when medications have complications? The lawyers will make MILLIONS.

>>4049740
>calling me a pleb in french

>>4049741
Fair enough, kinda stupid that lawyers care more about making money than actually using their power to fix the world. I guess you can't expect people to do things for the good of anybody except themselves though.