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I'm buying a twinkie oven from them.
Twinkies 4 lyfe

>america
>labour rights

this shit wouldn't fly in europe

Are you fucking serious?

Jesus it really is the end times

I love it when lazy ass union workers strike themselves out of a job.

>>4005312
They were going to lose their pensions (while the management kept theirs).

That is a good reason to strike.

Going to by twinkies today... for Ebay in 20 years

>>4005314
twinkies have a shelf life of 30days
lrn2urbanlegend

>>4005312
this

if just about anyone else on earth went to their boss and said "give me more money or i'm not coming into work tomorrow" the boss would tell them not to bother

I can't even fucking believe it.

>>4005313
lol. Now they have nothing.
>union logic

Good. Little Debbie was the superior snack-cake maker anyways.

>>4005319
>twinkies have a shelf life of 30days
Lots of people buy things for novelty, it doesn't mean they are going to eat them retard.

>if just about anyone else on earth went to their boss and said "give me more money or i'm not coming into work tomorrow" the boss would tell them not to bother
If anyone worked a job for 25 years and was told they had to give up their pension they would be stupid not to quit/strike.

People who are against unions are just retarded. God forbid workers ban together like all the politicians, management, elites.

>>4005334
>If anyone worked a job for 25 years and was told they had to give up their pension they would be stupid not to quit/strike.
see
>>4005322

>>4005322
It is the principle. I would not work for a company that asked something like that - it is good they brought it down instead of taking a hit like that.

People will think the union fucked themselves over, but they really took the whole company down as a way of saying "fuck with us, we'll fuck with you".

Good stuff.

>>4005334
People for unions are blood sucking parasites. The age of unions is over, get used to it.

>>4005334

Butyou'rewrong.jpeg

Hostess had already claimed bankruptcy, TWICE. The only reason they were able to even resume production is because of an agreement they made with the workers regarding pensions/wages/etc. And then after the deal was made, 5000 of the workers got mad and said NO FUCK YOU GIVE US MORE.

Hostess basically said "Seriously guys, we can't actually even be a business if you do this shit. Seriously, if you do not go back to work by 5 PM, we literally have to shut down because we cannot support ourselves."

And the Union went SUCK MY DIIICK GIVE ME THE MOOOONEY, thinking they were calling Hostess on some kind of bluff.

And Hostess said "Fine, have it your way, faggots. LIQUIDATED."

zingers > twinkies

>>4005335

It is better to be unemployed and start all over again than devote 25 years of your life to a company, get fucked over on your pension, and stay with them.

But I guess you don't have ideals and would stick with the $20/hr, pensionless job until you retire with your meagre savings

>>4005336
You know very little. Anyone who has a financial stake in Hostess will do quite well with their liquidation. The workers will not do well at all standing on the unemployment line.

>>4005337
>The age of unions is over, get used to it.
But it isn't. It is just starting. Wait until they start appearing in China and India in 20 years.

>>4005342

Holy shit, $20 an hour?

Sign me up. I can't even get a job making $12 an hour. The unemployment rate in my area is about 30%.

Sounds like a bunch of crybaby faggots living beyond their means. All that's going to happen is that a shitload of Asians/Indians/etc will gladly fill these jobs for shittier conditions and cheaper wages.

A job is a job, man.

muh american diet

Hostess is fucking nasty. Good riddance.

So we'll actually find out if they can survive for a thousand years?

Or alternatively, if cops eat Twinkies more often than Donuts.

>Walmart or other big companies scoop up the rights to Twinkies, Joe Louis and any other even remotely popular Hostess product (Wonder Bread I guess?)
>continue selling products
>general public notices nothing
>18000+ idiots out of work

At least look for/get a new job while working your shit job, instead of shooting yourself in the foot.

>>4005349
Fuck you, man. we da 99%!

RIP in peace

>>4005349
>Sign me up. I can't even get a job making $12 an hour. The unemployment rate in my area is about 30%.
Are you in Afghanastan?

Minimum wage is close to $11 in my province. Union workers get paid $20+.

Work in a union and get paid double with benefits and pension or work for minimum wage with zero benefits, pension, security, etc.? All the mean while the upper ranks get their big bonuses for "increasing productivity".

hmmmm

"A job is a job" is the kind of indentured servitude the top guys love.

>>4005367
Ah, a socialist Canadafag. Your opinion doesn't matter.

>>4005364
The best, Jerry.

>>4005364

Does this mean no more hostess cupcakes? :L those are the only fucking chocolate snacks I like god dammit

This news fucking pisses me off. Partly because of the fact that it was due to Unions, but mostly because I just started my work day and won't be able to get to the store to stock up until after 6:30

>>4005374
Yes

For the past 40 years, my dad has purchased nothing but Wonder bread. For you foreigners, Wonder bread is shit tier white bread. Now that Hostess is going out of business, he'll most likely seek mental health treatment on how to live life without Wonder bread. He literally eats it every single day.

lol

>>4005375
The snacks aren't going away. Someone will buy them and without union employees will still be very successful.

>>4005375
>spelling unions with a capital letter while simultaneously critisizing them for damaging the quality of america's education system

The Teamsters were actually /against/ the bakers'/millers'/etc union decision to strike because they thought the bakers' union was unreasonable.
Hostess' new 5 year contract stipulated an 8% company wide cut in pay for the first year, but 3% pay raises the next three and a 1% increase the one remaining, leaving workers with an overall 1,5% increase at the end of that five years. Not much, I realise, and even below the rate of inflation, but the Teamsters were understanding because of the current state of US and world economies. Hostess had guaranteed no loss in pension and an attempt to guarantee bakers' union jobs.
The bakers' union, however, thought this an affront and demanded pay increases in an industry already oversaturated with workers and with barely enough money to keep operations at the status quo. For their hubris, the families of thousands of Hostess-employed bakers, unionised or no will now go wanting.
It's a sad day for these people; I can understand both sides, the union wanted increase in pay to offset the plummeting value of the US dollar and the company's need to keep itself and its employees abreast by cutting costs and spending, but the union started a war of attrition, guaranteeing both parties' mutually assured destruction.
My thoughts are with the families of the union workers and the union workers themselves as well, but this is what happens when desire overruns need.

>>4005284
QFT. OP is not trolling. :(

Serves them right for making those god awful orange cupcakes.

>>4005374
>those are the only thing i like

HAHAHA. I HOPE EVERY FUCKING SHIT FOOD COMPANY IN THIS COUNTRY DIES SO YOU HAVE TO BRANCH OUT AND TRY SOMETHING NEW FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE YOU PATHETIC WASTE OF A HUMAN.

>>4005380
Oh fuck you. So I mistakenly capitalized that word. It doesn't change anything about what I said, and I never mentioned anything about education.

>>4005377
I'm still annoyed. The shelves will be empty when I get home now and even if what you say happens, there will still be a period of time where everything needs to be reorganized and brought back up to operating capacity. Why risk losing out entirely if it's not the case?

>>4005388
calm down there autisticy mc autism

>>4005388

>implying that some other company won't buy and reproduce them

Nice try, angryman.

>>4005390
>implying anything about my post is autistic except the caps lock

>>4005284

From Hostess Site... "In addition to dozens of baking and distribution facilities around the country, Hostess Brands will sell its popular brands, including Hostess®, Drakes® and Dolly Madison®, which make iconic cake products such as Twinkies®, CupCakes, Ding Dongs®, Ho Ho’s®, Sno Balls® and Donettes®. Bread brands to be sold include Wonder®, Nature’s Pride ®, Merita®, Home Pride®, Butternut®, and Beefsteak®, among others. "

Sad days ahead.

>>4005375
>Partly because of the fact that it was due to Unions

People still get mad over unionization?

>>4005405
I look at the facts. The facts as I see them are that this happened as a direct result of the union.

See >>4005381

>>4005403
oh no, beefsteak is my favorite

>>4005405
>people still get mad over cancer?
I suppose we do.

I GUESS TWINKIES DON'T LAST FOREVER AFTER ALL.

>>4005410
They were already doing badly as a company for years.

This was just the tipping point.

The unions had a good reason for doing so, IMO.

>>4005414
>They were already doing badly as a company for years.

Citation needed

>>4005414
>They were already doing badly as a company for years.
Because of greedy unions.

>>4005308

This isn't a labour rights issue, it's a money issue. They're not moving their factories to a third world shithole or selling everything and letting the workers go fuck themselves; the company literally went fucking bankrupt, told the workers "We can only stay in business if we cut pays", and the workers decided that being out of a job was better than reduced pay.

>>4005418
> In 2009, after it emerged from a 2004 bankruptcy, the name was changed to Hostess Brands, Inc., and the headquarters moved to Irving, Texas. Hostess Brands, Inc. sought bankruptcy protection under Chapter 11, Title 11, United States Code again in 2012.

>>4005418
not me, but fortune magazine october 2012 issue
They have been bankrupt before too.
>fucking pleb not reading fortune magazine

>mfw an american candy shop just opened here (Scotland) and twinkies are the main thing they're showing off about having

>>4005424

"deyz went bankrupt"
"deyz a bad cumpaney"

>>4005424
What was the cause of the 2004 bankruptcy?

>>4005431
What?

All I said is that they hadn't been doing well for a while.

Stop being a retard.

>>4005426
>implying amerifat

>>4005371
Yeah, sure sucks living in an area without a 30% unemployment rate and dreaming of a $12/hr job.

Meanwhile, I own 6 firearms, make $26/hr (first year out of my MSc), and have so much Crown Land to hunt and fish on it would make your head spin.

But hey, sure sucks up here!

>>4005432
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostess_Brands#2004_Bankruptcy

Seems the unions made concessions about their contracts then.

So, they not totally unreasonable.

No… NOOOOOOOOO!!! They are too big to fail! Someone do something! Please. Please! In the name of Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit, please someone save the Twinkies. This is a national emergency! This is a 9/11-Holocaust! What about Israel? What about George Washington? He ate Twinkies at Valley Forge.
FUCK! Merchant, please help! MERCHANT!
IT'S HAPPENING!

>>4005434
>in a hostess twinkie thread
>bitching about how yuropoor you are
okay.

>>4005345
Creative destruction. The economy does better with the workers released from the lame duck company.

It could be much worse, workers in some parts of the world are basically bonded labour - paying for the privilege of working.

>>4005349
>The unemployment rate in my area is about 30%.
Where do you live?

>>4005442

Can you please stop clapping

>>4005441
>tfw my sides are gonna hurt all day

>>4005319
Have you ever actually left a twinkie out? I have. theu don't mold, they don't deteriorate, but they do slowly turn rock hard.

>>4005431
"deyz went bankrupt"
"deyz a bad cumpaney

Yep. Ask the people they owe money who might get 12% of it back, eventually.

>>4005420
>Because of greedy unions.

Yes this is why. Like in China, they have 200 million in their trade union, look at them - bankrupt any day now.

>>4005458
Americans grew up being told "socialism", "unions", etc. were bad bad words.

Now they are being told anything related to "regulations" is bad too.

Almost as if their beliefs are in line with those of large corporations...

This thread is on everyboard.
nice try hostess shill.

>>4005462
>implying large corporations are a bad thing

>>4005462
Worth pointing out the company pension plan is $1bn short. It has been bankrupt twice in the last 5 years.

The company, to use an American phrase, is a 'deadbeat'.

>>4005463
>Implying ANY brand wants to be associated with 4chan

Hahahahah ah ahah hahaha ha, no

>>4005465
The bailout in 2008 suggests some more regulation might be required.

>>4005367
>mininum is $11
>i'm getting paid 8.25
murrica
;_;

>>4005465
Remember the bailouts? $1 trillion in taxpayer money? Remember that? Do you?

>>4005465

please leave right wing jidf

So this is why I've seen twinkies all over the internet today.

Whatever I guess.

>>4005478
You're an idiot.

Yes, we should scare off all the big corporations so they'll set up shop in other countries and we can all be out of work.

>liberal logic

>>4005494
>hurrrr regulations are bad

Could have save you guys $1 trillion. Canada is faring A LOT better than the U.S. this recession, especially our banks.

>don't want an 8% pay cut

>get 100% pay cut

lel union

>>4005491
go be an entitled 12 year old fag some somewhere else

>>4005494
Like frightening off drug cartels with more laws. We mustn't do that - they launder money at our banks and buy cars and consumer goods.

How could you scare off people that you (the US taxpayer) underwrites when when fuck up badly enough?

> mfw living in UK, no idea what a twinkie is beyond the fact that fat people on tv eat them
> twinkie
> US product
> fat people on tv

stay classy, Americlaps

>>4005500
The company owes them $1bn as it is. A breakup and restructure is the best solution for everyone.

>>4005500
>don't want to work for a company that's been bankrupt before and is cutting out your pension
>antiunionfags want you to think job security is the only thing that matters

>>4005497
>mfw canada would become a 3rd world country if the U.S. collapsed

>>4005494
I only see one idiot.

>>4005502
>GM
>Narco terrorists

Yeah, genius. They're exactly the same

>more liberal logic

>>4005509
Nah. They'd start selling drugs and become rich as fuck.

Seriously, they would.

>>4005508
>lose your job because you're in a shitty union that thinks management is lying

I bet none of those 18,500 wanted to lose their job.

>>4005509
We wouldn't become a third world country, we would have massive economic restructuring.

We have a small peaceful population and lots of land and resources. Things would work out.

>>4005364

blueberry was my favorite
lemon was a good runner up

;_;

>>4005512
>more liberal logic
Still mad about the election?

>>>/pol/

>>4005512
>They're exactly the same

See 'Miami'. A city built of coke. Or HSBC laundering money hand over fist. There are more things the same than different. The car business is at all levels is a fairly dodgy universe.

>>4005494
>>4005512

FOUR MORE YEARS FOUR MORE YEARS FOUR MORE YEARS

go be Ayn Rand somewhere else

>>4005528
>FOUR MORE YEARS FOUR MORE YEARS FOUR MORE YEARS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyPhsFxnc_c

I don't understand why everyone is crying about losing Twinkies. I'm sure you'll be able to buy them for years to come. It's not like the warehouses are empty.

>>4005537
It's a durable, popular product. It will be fine.

>>4005537
People like to buy shit out at times like this.

With the factory shut down it's going to be a while before the brands are rebought and production gets back up.

Yes, there's going to be a twinkie shortage in the months to come.

and nothing of value was lost

>>4005284
came straight to /ck/ to see if it was stickied.

>>4005528
>Implying Ayn Rand would be in favor of bailouts
Get your conservative boogeymen right.

I blame Obama.

>>4005556

I didn't imply that at all.

lrn2infer

>twinkies gone forever
How will I survive nuclear winter now?

>>4005563
By pickling all you current food.

>>4005563
Learn how to make Sunset Sarsaparilla.

>>4005422
This reminds me of the grocery workers striking during a recession. The next few years, a few supermarkets closed because of high labor cost and low profit. Nice going, idiots.

>>4005584
Hostess are kinda welching on $1bn. I could try something like this if I go bankrupt:

"It's not me - it's my many creditors fault."

>>4005359
this is exactly what will happen.

yep its idiots like yourself that rely on jerbs to give you pensions. I would have either started the process to cash out years ago or started bulk saving in an IRA and waiting until 67 for my full retirement. I feel bad for them but i hope all you idiots start saving money for retirement, google ROTH IRA's and start maxing it out yearly!!!!!

your welcome

I love how the right wing scumfuck executives that drove Hostess into the ground are trying to blame it on unions. As if ANY profitable company shuts down overnight because of a labor spat.

First off, here's a list of raises that took place during July of this year:
Brian Driscoll, CEO, around $750,000 to $2,550,000
Gary Wandschneider, EVP, $500,000 to $900,000
John Stewart, EVP, $400,000 to $700,000
David Loeser, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256
Kent Magill, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256
Richard Seban, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256
John Akeson, SVP, $300,000 to $480,000
Steven Birgfeld, SVP, $240,000 to $360,000
Martha Ross, SVP, $240,000 to $360,000
Rob Kissick, SVP, $182,000 to $273,008

Secondly, Hostess never intended on reopening its doors once it went into Chapter 11 in 2011. They were always going to liquidate. They just wanted to rape the unions on the way out.

Am I the only one that stocked up?

>>4005613
lol we'll keep busting your bloodsucking unions up and you'll keep crying. I'm ok with that.

>>4005618
Yes. Because after Hostess changed the Twinkie recipe, it doesn't taste as good anymore. Of course it was never that great to begin with but now it's downright inedible.

>>4005588
Is that 1bn liquid assets? If not, it doesn't matter since it can't be easily used. A building you just bought is considered an asset, the machinery is considered an asset. Those things can't not be used to pay your wages. Well, it indirectly does but if they sell those off, you're out of a job which is what's happening here. Also, they just had a $300 million loss. Pretty bad time to be demanding things.

They are selling off their brands. Another company will buy twinkies or wonder bread and make your crappy snack and white trash provisions. calm down.

I read the first 20 or so posts, so let me just clear the air and lay down the facts.

Hostess was having a hard coming from a slow economy and the unions driving up labor cost, so they were going in and out of bankruptcy restructure.

There was a dispute between the unions mainly because of pension reform and cost of employee healthcare funding. They were going to switch from a classic pension model to more of a 401k model, but were not going to touch the actual money in employee pensions, just not match them for their money anymore.

All of the unions, except for the 5000 member strong baker's union agreed. After more negotiation, it was hopefully settled. Defying a court order, the bakers still refused to go to work, despite even the teamsters agreeing to the concessions.

Because of those 5000 employees, the entire workforce of 18500 is now out of jobs right before Christmas. Now another food company will probably buy up the rights to produce things like twinkies and Ho-Hos, probably Little Debbie.


tl:dr dumbass union fucked everyone out of their jobs; the management, the bakers, the truck drivers, and everyone else

>>4005651
The Teamsters must be PISSED.

>>4005403

>Butternut

Kill me. Please it hurts to live.

>>4005613
Guess they should have taken advantage of NAFTA regulations during their financial crisis in 2004, shut down their American operations and shipped in Twinkies and Ho-hos from Mexico, putting all their workers out of their jobs.
Why didn't they do that? Might be because they were trying to keep things in the US, at greater expense to the company and its consumers mind you, just so that Hostess workers and their families wouldn't be out on their butts with no income.
This is proper stewardship.

Why the fuck would a corporation try to take away pensions from loyal laborers? It seriously makes no sense.

Unless, it was to force a strike, use that strike as justification for firing all of your workers, and then get Uncle Sam to pick up the tab because they all have Grade A unemployment claims now.

If they're smart, they won't "allow" hostess to close it's doors, and it will undo the "firings", freeze the assets, and use them to pay out pensions. If upper management refuses to operate (lol irony) under these conditions, well, where the fuck is Altair when some rich entitled fucks need to pay?

>>4005651
So it's not unions in general that were the problem, it's just the one union being a greedy fucking asshole.

>>4005651
That was actually very sad to read.

>>4005403
All those brands...Iconic Americana.
How the fuck did are they not making money hand over fist?

>>4005666
They are not taking away pensions. They were trying to change it into a 401K type deal where the workers put more into it but the company doesn't have to match it. All current pensions were to be honored.

>>4005674
One reason was that the teamsters made it so that each one has their own delivery guy. So if a gas station wants to stock twinkies, ho hos donettes and wonder bread, that would take four delivery trucks.

But a large reason was because of the increasing cost of pension and medical coverage for employees.

Why do you co/ck/bites care about this? Go make your own Twinkies and Fruit Pies. Refer to Good Eats S9 E12 for the latter.

they aren't gone forever. The rights to Twinkies, ho ho's, etc will probably be bought at an auction and will live on

>>4005364

Natsy as fuck won't miss them, the outter layer was usually too sweet but the fruit inside always tasted like shit for some reason

>>implying coca cola or pepsi co wont purchase hostes

>>4005691
Because A) it's food-related, B) an interesting topic of debate (union vs. anti-union), and C) they're an iconic American snack food and it's strange to see something that's lasted 80 years go belly-up.

>>4005680
Now that i've read more of the thread, I realize that.
However, firing all the workers and not just the bakers seems excessive.

Maybe it's just my anti-corp bias showing. But the list of raises (which needs corroboration) posted earlier shows that execs were milking the company dry and seems to have had little intention of doing right by the labor.

>>4005364

They used to be good, until they switched to HFCS and became sickeningly vomit inducingly sweet.

>>4005716
Let's look at this rationally. The bakers are the core of the entire company. Without baked goods, the company doesn't exist. So how could they fire all the bakers and still remain in business? Just hire 5000 more bakers, easy as pie?

>>4005716
No bakers = No product. It's kind of a big deal since it's a bakery. That's not to say the bosses were on the up and up but the unions are crazy. You still get your pensions and you still have your job. Yes, you'll make a little less for 4 years but at the end of the 5th year, you'd have 1% more than what you've started with. I thought it was a fair deal.

>>4005716
No one's getting fired, the company is now closing because of the baker's union and are currently liquidating everything.

>>4005723
>>4005722
If we're looking at it rationally "baking" is a generous term for putting ingredients into an industrial vat and hitting buttons in a predetermined sequence. You can hire temp workers for that. hell, you can computerize it.

>>4005725
>business closing
>not fired

Well, I guess the term would be "laid off".

>>4005730
That's implying the unions would let you do that. You can't hire anybody unless it's through them.

Nice job, liberals. In a free market we'd have all the twinkies we want.

>>4005736
Isn't this free market though? Anybody can be fired for any reason? Any business can be closed for any reason?

>gives pay raises to all the management
>fucking over the workers with paycuts
>it's the unions fault for fighting it
>hostess refused to cut the salaries of the management to keep the business running
>it's the works fault for not being a slave class

This is what Republitards actually, legitimately, truly believe.

>>4005336
Do you plan on enjoying Social Security?

>>4005744
cutting salaries of management would not have been NEARLY enough to cover the pensions and other demands of 18,500 workers

>>4005744
I read that the exec's pay raises was just a portion of their contract kicking in. They start low (because let's be honest, those wages for a large company is low), and then kick in higher. It was a benefit for working there. But I don't know how true that is though. The worker were going to get raises at the end of their contract terms. Not a lot but still better than zero and jobless.

>>4005752
beat me to it

>>4005752
I don't think anyone expected salary cuts.
but look at the raises.
a bit exorbitant for a company that's already in the hole.

>>4005744

It's funny how this is pretty much a microcosm of what would have happened under Romney.

Basically the working class would be paying for a raise on the upper 1% of the US, and then US would have gone into bankruptcy.

It was only by the skin of our teeth we survived Bush, and Republicans want to drive the stake deeper. Kinda sad how one class in the US seems to be trying it's best to destroy the US from the inside, like a cancer. I don't understand it.

>>4005758
if the were part of a preexisting contract, then there wasn't a damn thing they could do about it. It's part of the contract and everyone has known it would happen

the offered the union a similar deal, with wage cuts now but a gradual increase over 4 years or so, but the unions rejected it

>>4005744
>s and the union workers themselves as well, but this is what happens when desire overruns need.

Wanna know something? Hostess was owned by a firm similar to Bain capital (the romney business) but this was owned by a major Democrat. So is this what republitards believe or is this just some liberal talking point you're so accustomed to parroting you lack adequate common sense to educate yourself before making yourself look like the biggest moron in the thread?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-16/hostess-liquidation-curious-cast-characters-twinkie-tumbles

>>4005752

It's called negotiation. Hostess shot itself in the foot.

They gave all their management raises, then laughed, threw up their hands and went "lol we don't have any money to pay your pensions anymore. We took that to pay our salaries!"

It's called mutual sacrifice, both parties must sacrifice to make sure the business succeeds. Except one party, the management were ALL too happy to fuck over the workers because they did not care about Hostess as a company, about it's workers, it's success, anything. They cared about milking Hostess for the money that was remaining, then cutting the slack and moving on.

I guarantee you the management isn't looking for a job. It's the 18,500 people they cut loose like they were just slave labor that was no longer useful to them anymore. The workers were fighting for principal and standing up as human beings.

My brother bought twinkies from target this morning. I think in my 21 years of living, I've had a twinkie once

I just opened one and took a bite. gross.

;_; i will miss u hostess cupcakes

>>4005422
>he thinks the owners aren't filthy rich and dont give a fuck about the workers
oh yeah, clearly the company is the victim

>america

>>4005780
Yeah, twinkies you kind of grow out of.
but damned if I don't want some zebra cakes, swiss rolls, or powdered donettes right now.

>>4005779
>the management were ALL too happy to fuck over the workers because they did not care about Hostess as a company, about it's workers, it's success, anything. They cared about milking Hostess for the money that was remaining, then cutting the slack and moving on.

I don't believe a word of that bro. I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about.

>>4005744
>hostess refused to cut the salaries of the management to keep the business running

b-b-but why should they be forced to give up the HARD-EARNED money that they EARNED through all their hard work in an office and give it to people who obviously didn't work as hard or else they'd have an upper level job too

dontcha know

>mfw this whole thread

>>4005779
Hostess was bankrupted twice in recent years. They were lucky to even have jobs and now, they won't. Great job. Again, their cut wages were to be reinstated in 4 years with their pension intact. Too bad they couldn't wait that long.

Goddammit.
What's the best off-brand Twinkie, /ck/?

>>4005785
this

Watching American TV shows as a kid (such as the wonder years) I often wondered if the national phobia of communism could be real. I found 4chan and I pondered; Do americans really think that circumcision is a tool used for anything other than religious ceremony or as a way of preventing a child from masturbating. I ponderred during the presidential candidate elections if Americans would really prefer to have millions of their neighbours out of healthcare just so they could save a couple of $ on their tax bill.

Threads like this make me realise how easily brainwashed we are as a species. I shall never step foot in America again. You people disgust me.

>>4005803
>implying you're technically not in America right now. Get off the server, brah.

>>4005794

>who didn't work as hard

I fucking laughed my ass off.

You must be an Ayn Randian, for one there will always be a working class, that is the class to do the labor. If you have 100 100% equal people form a company invariably some of them HAVE to be the labor force. Contrary to popular republican belief, working labor is far harder than any management job, but they would not understand business would they?

>>4005771

>educate yourself
>Tyler Durden

So a clearly not biased Fight Club pretentious faggot pointed out that Ripplewood invested 130mil into Hostess to help it escape Bankruptcy and prevent those job losses in the first place. Ripplewood is run by a Democrat

HOLY SHIT

The Democratic party must have engineered the downfall of Hostess!

>republitard logic

>>4005803
Yes, most of us don't want to pay for lazy blacks or healthcare for dirty Mexicans.

>>4005806
>implying I can spoiler or greentext.
Welp.

>>4005807
You obviously have trouble reading sarcasm.

>>4005807
>Democraps

>>4005807
That first post was clearly sarcasm. Relax.

>>4005807
Sarcasm is hard on the internet, ain't it?

>>4005808
So really it's just racism.

>>4005803

The majority of politics is run by people who wave the Christian flag and Republican party, it's simply a highly focused, concentrated group of the greediest fuckers in human existence.

What's the big lesson of the day? No good deed goes unpunished.

>Add money to keep company afloat
>Ask workers to temporarily get a pay cut which will be reinstated at a later date
>Workers DEMAND even bigger wages and more money towards their own pensions
>Company runs out of money
>Everybody is out of a job

>>4005802
Walmart

Oh fuck no. My mother-in-law has a job at one of their plants. I should call her and ask how she's doing.

>>4005819
Yes. What country are you from? You probably have bad minorities too.

>>4005807
The guy you were replying to here >>4005794 was being sarcastic, jsyk.

>>4005819

Yes, Republicans are willing to pay for rich white people, but they will not give that money to any niggers and spics

>>4005803
Americans are convinced that circumcision prevents AIDS and uncut penis is pig disgusting with germs.

>>4005803
>you people

Get off you fucking high horse. It's not the entire fucking US population with these ideas.

I could throw generalizations at whatever shithole you claim home as well.

>>4005827

Yet they banned female circumcision.

Because mutilating boys is okay

>>4005819
>implying Yurop has absolutely no racism

>>4005827
No actually, that's based on science but I don't recall if it was AIDS or just STDs in general.

>>4005833

No it isn't, it has nothing to do with science, and it makes absolutely no biological sense. It is purely for religious reasons why we mutilate our boys.

>>4005828

It's just that no other shithole claims to be 'leader of ther world*. whatever.

>>4005826
I wouldn't mind if it were people who are trying to doing something with their lives (ie the Asians) but those two cost more with no benefit.

>>4005831
There's a difference between the two. Female circumcision actually cuts away the entire clitoris, while during male circumcision only the foreskin is cut away. It'd be more of a convincing argument if male circumcision cut off the the head of the penis.

I come to discuss Hostess snacks and you faggots are talking about penises.

>>4005814
>>4005815
>>4005816
>>4005818
>>4005825

You niggers are easy to troll

>>4005819
I'm Mexican and my co-worker's on welfare. He works just enough to get money to spend as well as money from the government. He has 3 kids and another on the way even though he could hardly pay rent this past month. The only reason he made it through is because he made 100 bucks at a slot machine by pure fucking luck.

No, this shit is rampant and it pisses me the fuck off that these motherfuckers exist that make ME look bad. Every debate I get into I can't argue out of because this is a common fucking occurrence.

Welfare is a fucking cancer to this country.

>>4005845
>replying seriously to sarcasm
>trolling

Welcome to the internet. You'll soon learn the actual meanings to the drivel you spew from your mouth.

>>4005824
I'm in the US

>>4005826
They're even willing to pay somewhat for poor white people. It's just those dirty other races that are the problem in their eyes.

>>4005832
Nowhere was that implied.

>>4005843
Both are creme filled.

>>4005854
10/10

>>4005842

Actually that's only done by muslims. present female circumcision involves cutting the hood and stitching it shut. In some cases the vagina is also stitched like this to only allow for urination.

Nevertheless, saying it's okay to mutilate and sexually assault boys, but not girls is beyond sexist to me. And I have a fundamental issue with anyone who actually supports circumcision. It is sick, and wrong.

>>4005852
Then why did you say would wouldn't step foot in Murrika again unless that was a different poster.

>>4005831
Female circumcision isn't promoted as sanitary and sacred by a large and influential religion/ethnic group like male circ is, that's why. It's something those ~barbarian Africans and Muslims~ do, not upstanding citizens like the Jews

>>4005859
Don't worry buddy, my future son will not be. I do believe that's something to be decided as an adult.

>>4005849

So right, because he struggles to survive, he shouldn't have that welfare, and his kids should just starve and become homeless. What kind of fucked up logic is that?

>>4005864
He wouldn't be struggling if he had a vasectomy.

>>4005833
Science that probably only studied men who didn't wash their entire penis when they shower

>>4005864
Maybe the guy should stop having children and living beyond his means.

>>4005869
Most people don't though.

>>4005845
>misreads sarcasm and replies seriously
>gets called a dumbass
>I WAS TROLLING LOLOLOL

Nice try.

>>4005340
yfw zingers are also hostess

>>4005867

Which he could easily afford when he can barely struggle to survive.

We should male a gun and bullet to the guy so he an euthanize his kids, that way we can give his welfare to Paris Hilton, and Donald Trump instead. Because clearly mexicans do not supply the US with manual labor for the 'unwanted jobs' like sewer management, or hauling trash to the landfills.

Fucking republicans live in a dream world.

>>4005860
That was a different post. lrn2follow links

>>4005876

The guy you were responding to wasn't me, I didn't realize it was sarcasm. By saying you were easy to troll, he was infact trolling.

I had to watch a vecestomy and tubal ligation for health class and by far, the vasectomy was the easier of the two. Just snip snip and you're done for the day. The tubal ligation was painful to watch.

good riddance

>>4005882
Yeah, man. Surely paying for that kid is cheaper than getting a one time vasectomy! Also, low cost clinics, WHAT ARE THOSE?

>>4005864
His wife was in a job program that guaranteed them enough money to get by. He told her to work less because they're making too much to get government assistance. He himself only works some mornings in construction and Wednesday/Friday nights with me. My father has offered him more work but he refuses to take it.

He slacks off to intentionally get government assistance. And it's not just him, I know of other individuals in my family network that do the same fucking thing.

An old friend of my father's got government assistance while simultaneously selling meth.

>/cocks/ actually upset over this
You legitimately can't be that upset over this and at the same time be into cooking

>>4005897
It's just a brand that is iconic and yes, sometimes thought of warmly. You can make your own Twinkies but it wouldn't be the real thing.

>>4005837
http://health.usnews.com/health-news/news/articles/2012/08/20/curbing-circumcision-boosts-stds-study
-contends

Science!

>>4005896

If you make more you lose out on ALL government assistance, if he accepted work that made him $100 or $200 more a month? He'd lose over $600 in assistance.

If you actually offered him a job worth more than what he makes on government assistance, which is available to pretty much ANY white guy. He'd take it, but he's a fucking Mexican and you're Dad is probably offering him the shittiest work he can find that no one else wants to do.

The key to getting people off assistance is to fucking give them better jobs that actually pay money, so they pay INTO the system instead of taking out of it.

I grew up in Idaho and Florida, I've met many people who wished they could be Americans, but they can't because nationalizing requires them to be off all government assistance for 3 years. Which they cannot afford to do when they are only given the nigger and spic jobs.

>>4005905

Or he can get two jobs instead of working part time and telling his wife to work less so they can be on the dole.

>>4005837
>It is purely for religious reasons why we mutilate our boys.

and social reason. The vast majority of women in america prefer cut penises, hence, I'd get my kid circumcised.

>>4005903

And for every study you find that says that, you can find 10 that point out how biologically impossible, and stupid the study is.

You can cure AIDs by raping babies in Africa though, did you know that?

STDs are transmitted for fluids, the foreskin has absolutely nothing to do that. It's like studies saying you can get Aids from drinking water from the same glass as a guy with Aids. The foreskin is not a mucus membrane, it does not transmit germs or diseases into the bloodstream, it has to actually enter the penis, which circumcision does not stop.

>>4005837
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/malecircumcision/

>Several types of research have documented that male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of men contracting HIV through penile-vaginal sex.

it's extra lame in Orlando. They had a bread factory like right along the main highway, so miserable traffic at least had fresh bread baking smell.
;_;

>>4005915
>You can cure AIDs by raping babies in Africa though, did you know that?

But that's not based on science. That's just bushmen mumble jumble. The circumcision pros and cons are based on studies. Either for or against. If one hypothesis is wrong, it will be changed.

>>4005910

If any parent makes over a certain amount, you get cut off. My neighbor was turned down for foodstamps because his wife made like $14 over the quota.

The only problem with welfare is so many people NEED it just to live, and they can't get out of it. They can't go to school because they can't afford it. They can't get a second job because they'll lose money. They are stuck in a low income job range and cannot break out of it or lose the money they need to pay rent.

It's a job issue

It's also an issue that if they tried to make welfare more flexible so people can get middle class jobs, Republicans would scream bloody murder

>>4005905
>He'd take it, but he's a fucking Mexican and you're Dad is probably offering him the shittiest work he can find that no one else wants to do.

You base your assumptions on nothing. The company has several contracts with shopping centers and corporations all over the valley. He can easily make more than what he gets on welfare. His wife is also a citizen, he's too lazy to do the paperwork.

You're too naive to accept the reality that there are people in the lower class who intentionally work less to get free money, shit that I see every fucking day.

Your limited life experience in the subsectors of American society is very easy to spot, so I'll just leave you to believe what you wish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiRcQVzN01A

>>4005921

Yea, and they also say that abstinance is better for birth control than condoms, completely oblivious to the actual statistics and pressed onto public as a RELIGIOUS belief, by Christians, rather than substantive biological fact. Biologically it makes NO sense, the foreskin is not a mucous membrane.

>>4005927
Sounds like somebody is retarded and doesn't know that schools have financial aid and grants. Maybe that person is on the dole all the time because they lack common sense.

>>4005312

There's nothing wrong with a union. Unions are good.

It's just stupid fuckheads like this that make them look bad. Do you seriously think things would be better if we went back to the shirtwaist days of old? That's just plain ignorant, sorry.

>>4005936
It's very rare to get a grant that would pay for 100% of tuition at any college.

>>4005339

Well that's what happens when you can't run a business efficiently and then try to fuck over people who have worked for you for 25 years.

Hostess sucks anyways. I hope Tastykake will take hold.

>>4005930

I've seen more of the country then you've seen of your city. You can claim "oh you're poor, you hung out with niggers and spics, it's so obvious haha" while flaunting your privileged position. It does not matter, because at the end of the day, your dad wasn't offering him a job with all his contracts he was offering him "extra work"

Ask your dad if he would have given Spic Gonzalas any real position in his job beyond dick scrubber. He wouldn't. He would say "Everyone's gotta start at the bottom!" But the fucker can't do that because he'd lose all his assistance and his children would starve.

You look at things from a perspective of if you're not white, and you're on assistance, you're lazy and stealing from us rich white folks.

>>4005930

I don't think he's the one with limited experience, here. I don't give a shit what you see every day; the majority are still people who actually need help. Realize you're part of a collective, you fucking monkey. Stop trying to de-evolve us all.

>>4005946

You'd have to be in the top 1 percentile of the state to get a 100% paid tuition to any meaningful college.

But he can't afford to study and go to school to pass the LSATS because he's fucking dirt poor

catch 22

>>4005946
Ummm, super poor people get to college for free. That's one of the benefits of being poor. You get the maximum allowed.

>>4005796
I love food, but cppls are some of the shittiest people around. And the people who serve food. They must have some kind of inferiority complex which creates a lot of anger.

>>4005394
>implying your post is nothing but caps lock
>ergo, your post is nothing but autism

>>4005964
Community college, maybe. But the maximum amount you can get is nowhere near enough to pay for a decent university. I think I would know this, being dirt poor myself.

Awesome, a terrible processed snack food company going away.

It's not like this means that there won't be Twinkies ever again; there's already Twinkie clones out there anyway. The gap will be filled and nothing will change.

>>4005949
>You look at things from a perspective of if you're not white, and you're on assistance, you're lazy and stealing from us rich white folks.
So at what point did you start assuming I'm rich and white? Did you ignore my original post that said "I'm Mexican"? Not descendant Mexican, "came here with my parents when I was a wee lad" type Mexican. My father offered him that contract job, he started the company from nothing and does both the office and legwork.

My original point was: As a poor working class Mexican, these motherfuckers make me look bad.

But yeah, of course, if anyone disagrees with you they're clearly of the great white privilege. Every poor person is clearly a Democrat, kumbaya and all that other horseshit. You people are hilarious.

>>4005978
You're not the only student here buddy. Most of your courses and books paid for. Mostly you have to pay for some books and things outside of the university like rent.

>>4005849

You're so edgy.

I will miss my delicious Hostess Fruit Pies.

That said, fuck them, up with labor.

Hostess hasn't been floundering because of bad management, liberals or unions. It's because the junk food business is over capacity. The CEO has said this himself in several interviews. We're producing so much of this shit that it's becoming valuless. It's not as profitable, and the big national companies are going to be hit the hardest because they have the highest operating costs. I'm 34 and I can just barely remember a time when snack cakes only took up half an aisle at the grocery store, now they sell them everywhere. It's over saturation, pure and simple.

pls sticky this thread....

pls

>>4006088
Their sales are slowing but it's still in the billions. Also, another reason why sales are slowing is because supermarkets are starting to have their own bakeries for bread and pastries.

>>4005864
You have no idea how many Mexicans where I live are constantly shitting out kids on purpose for more free handouts. Fat, nasty ass women having kids everywhere and raising them to be exactly like her and the father - Cheat in every way possible, shit on everything, get free money for being worthless.

>>4006090

>>4005651
The large unions don't tend to fuck businesses over. They're not going to last long if they constantly get their workers laid off.

It's usually these small unions that don't know when to make concessions that cause the problems.

If you don't want to risk working in a job where your pension for packaging twinkies can be liquidated at the drop of a hat...go to college and earn a respectable degree.

Jobs exist because there's a need for them...NOT because daddy needs a dental plan.

Indians, Chinese and robots are for manual mundane labor...not over-privileged spoiled Americans and their fail unions.

If you don't like it, America, then halt all trade with foreign countries, and watch as your country falls apart and struggles for nothing.

How the fuck am I going to make grilled cheese without Wonder Bread?

>>4006140
It's a mystery to everyone. Guess you'll starve, bro.

Say hi to god for me

Fuck the fucking shitbag unions. Fuckers.

I like Tastycake more

>>4006161
THOSE BASTARDS TAKING AWAY OUR DELICIOUS MASS PRODUCED SUGARY TREATS JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT A LIVING WAGE

HOW SELFISH OF THEM

"Believe it or not, Twinkies have an expiration date. Some day very soon, Life's little Twinkie gauge is gonna go... empty."

>>4005436
except it's Canada so nobody cares. Enjoy your bagged milk.

So i just found out that having the word "Twinkies" in the first post makes the thread autosage. I heard about this early this morning from the local news, i thought i'd make a thread here on /ck/ and /b/, well no wonder the /b/ thread didn't even get one reply.

Oh well, at least other boards are talking about it now. But does anyone know WHY Twinkies are an autosage? What the fuck had to happen for something like that?

>>4006177
>$20/hr with benefits
>not a living wage

>>4006103
That's my point, sorry if it was a bit vague, I was phone posting while eating lunch.

It all comes down to Gross Vs. Net. Hostess has a higher Gross income than a smaller regional bakery, but the smaller regional bakery has a better Net. They don't sell as many units, but they keep more money from each sale.

Same thing with in-store brands like Wal Mart and Safeway, partly because they can piggy back distribution, and partly because they contract production to the aforementioned smaller bakeries.

Hostess has simply hit the point of diminishing returns, they've become too big and inefficient to remain competitive with the smaller, more flexible, more profitable producers. The dinosaur is starving to death while the birds and mammals are adapting.

And that's the way it needs to be. Despite all the political rhetoric, the big national and multinational corporations aren't the real job creators in America. The real job creators are the smaller, regional businesses (INC business magazine did a good piece on this last month, actually). Because they're more adaptable, have better net profitability, are more vertically integrated (that's an important phrase, look it up) and are less likely to outsource, they're the better bet for job creation.

We need to let the Hostess companies fail and let the Franz Bakeries of the business world take the wheel.

>>4006182
Did you know at the end of the movie he at a vegan Twinkie because he is a liberal douche.

>>4006133
Lisa needs braces!

>>4006133
Not everyone can be a professional.

>ITT: Anti-unionist fanatics

How people can stand to choke down management dick so hard boggles my mind.

Hostess management salaries jumped 5% just before liquidation while it's workers all got fired for refusing to give up their pension.

Fucking hell, America. What is wrong with you? Are you seriously this fucking stupid you don't even know how economies work?

You think 'trickle down' economics isn't why you're life, personally YOUR LIFE isn't as good as it should be by all rights?

You live in an economic powerhouse and yet your standard of living is worse than many smaller countries.

>>4006235
You have no clue what you're talking about.

>>4005473
Yeah but canadollars are worth like 3/5ths of normal dollars.

>>4005822
>piracy funds terrorism

>>4006212
This. Sure, capitalism might work, the best player gets a bigger piece of the cake. But at some point they are to big, and some can't compete (depends on what they make, it's easier to start a bakery then a new Ford). Kill the big companies and let the workforce start new companies to compete withe each other.

>>4005822
Probably made by Hostess and packed by WalMart.

>>4006325
Oh definitely, some stuff (like cars and airplanes) can really only be made by the biggest companies, but even then they mostly rely on smaller contractors for parts.

But most consumer goods can easily be taken over by smaller manufacturers, especially now with advances in fabrication technology like 3D printers and such.

Macro-industrial production was necessary to get us over the developmental hump in the last century, but the 21st century really has to be about smaller, more efficient micro-industrialism.

>>4006327
But they can easily be contracted out to another producer.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=twinkies&_sop=16

>$2.5 million for one box, with a Buy It Now price of $5 mil.
>1100-box truckload for only $88.000.
>amerifats

>>4005839
For better or worse, America is objectively leading the world in terms of GDP and military presence.

>tfw trying to find Twinkies

>>4006338
Agreed.

Some other company will make new twinkies/fruit pies/hoho's but people will still insist the old ones were better.

>>4005364
oh jesus no

This is why the entire concept of a pension is flawed

>Work for 20 years
>get paid for 40

>>4005403
>Home Pride

OH JESUS NO

http://www.hostessbrands.com/brands/RegionalFavorites.aspx

this is more than shitty snack foods you eat once every 5 years

>>4006359
I'm going to do this

>>4006388
Let's make lots of those threads together when Hostess starts up again.

It'll be fun.

>>4006376
I haven't even heard of those brands.

I also don't eat shitty preserved "cakes" or Wonder Bread.

Nothing will be missed.

>>4005820
>The majority of politics is run by people who wave the Christian flag and Republican party, it's simply a highly focused, concentrated group of the greediest fuckers in human existence.


>Barack Obama re-elected
>Democrat majority in Senate
>Republicans lost seats in the House

are you completely retarded

I like how anyone who doesn't read the facts think that this is the unions fault, when even the teamsters were against the 5000 protesting.

>>4006114

>>4006391
let him believe what he wants, its laughable how ill informed people are. republicans haven't been in power since 2006, when they lost the house and senate.

>>4006391
You do realize that there's more to politics than just the President and congress right?

>>4006212
>Hostess has simply hit the point of diminishing returns, they've become too big and inefficient to remain competitive with the smaller, more flexible, more profitable producers. The dinosaur is starving to death while the birds and mammals are adapting.
>
>And that's the way it needs to be. Despite all the political rhetoric, the big national and multinational corporations aren't the real job creators in America. The real job creators are the smaller, regional businesses (INC business magazine did a good piece on this last month, actually). Because they're more adaptable, have better net profitability, are more vertically integrated (that's an important phrase, look it up) and are less likely to outsource, they're the better bet for job creation.

I applaud you for your knowledge and insight.

>>4006403

People honestly believe this is because of Obamacare and Obama.

So its best to not assume the best out of people.

>>4006352
They are selling the twinkie "recipe" to the highest bidder. Expect rebranded Twinkies soon.

>>4006404
Thank you. You will likely be the only one who does.

>>4006212

Don't forget the CEO of Hostess tripled his salary.

"the then CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise (from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000) and at least nine other top executives of the company received massive pay raises. One such executive received a pay increase from $500,000 to $900,000 and another received one taking his salary from $375,000 to $656,256. "

>>4006410
As much as I'd like to rail against bad management, even if the executives hadn't gotten raises, it wouldn't have saved the company.

If you look at the kind of numbers that Hostess was pulling down, those salary increases are a drop in the bucket.

The fact of the matter is that the company has been sinking for years because the junk food market is reaching a critical mass point.

>>4006389
will do

>>4006415

Its still pretty obvious that the executives were aware that things were going to go under and that they simply squeezed as much money as they could before it went under.

But nope, this is apparently 100% the unions fault.

And obamacare.

Somehow.

>>4006415
I suppose I should elaborate. Aside from my academic knowledge on the subject, I have a fair amount of first hand as well. I used to work for one of Hostesses suppliers and made regular deliveries to the bakery in Seattle. I would chat with people and keep my ear to the wall. The company has been struggling for almost a decade now, again not because of unions or management, but because of the over-saturation of the market.

>>4006415
>As much as I'd like to rail against bad management, even if the executives hadn't gotten raises, it wouldn't have saved the company.

But everyone is attacking the unions when the management gave themselves MASSIVE raises when they knew the company was failing.

What could the union have gained, their pensions? The higher management basically grabbed the money and ran. They gained millions and had literally nothing to lose.

>>4006406
no, this is not Obama's fault.

the point of my post is that Republicans don't control everything

>>4005336
Your bill collectors don't care about your principles. I can almost guarantee that some of those who were fired will go down the economic shithole and become homeless.

poor, homeless, dying alone on the street in the upcoming winter VS doing something against your morals

If you pick the second one, then you've probably grown up with money and you don't understand the other side.

>>4006423

There isn't really much of a difference between the Republicans and Democrats.

>>4005336
heres what will happen, the CEOs will liquidate and sell the brands, they will walk away with billions in their pockets and the cakes will still be available to the public only being manufactured by other companies, the workers will be out of jobs and lose their houses. if you are an uneducated factory worker with no practical life skills you should not do things out of principle.

>>4005903
It helps them avoid STD's because cut dicks are dry and shitty in bed. They will have less sex.

>>4006432
what is with this myth of dry dicks? you will never be able to out preform the sheer lasting power of a cut cock.

>>4006432
it's probably because the keratinized mucous membranes are less susceptible to infection and less likely to support the growth of pathogens

why am I debating this on /ck/

this is better anyway

>>4005319
Crystal Pepsi

There's already tons of Mexican knock offs
No need to worry

>>4006467
Bimbo is already being rumored as the company most likely to snatch up Hostess's most valuable brands

As an Australian who grew up watching American t.v I was eager to finally try a Twinkie on a recent trip to the States.
I was both sickened and horrified at the first bite.
The demise of Hostess is a win for American culinary standards. Now you just need to fuck off canned cheese and corn dogs and you will be ready to join the civilized world.

>>4006485
We fucking have canned cheese?

>>4006497

>>4006485
you, sir, can go fuck yourself. corndogs and easy cheese (not together, only mustard on corndogs) are fucking delicious

>>4005611

>tfw 21 and already have 10 grand in my ROTH.

Can you say exponential growth for the next 40 years, regardless of employment status?

>>4006498
that's just... I don't know how to explain that, other than most Americans wouldn't even consider eating that.

I don't even like Cheeze Whiz on my cheesesteaks. Jesus, at the very least, use fucking American slices.

>>4006507
this shit is 10x better than kraft singles for like crackers and shit. i wouldn't use easy cheese for a grilled cheese though

>>4006507
I'm American and I enjoy it in celery. In fact my family usually serves celery with Kraft cheese at holiday meals.

>>4005912
It's only about 50/50, which is directly proportional to the amount of men who are circumcised. And there's another reason, which is that it's a form of sexual repression. Kellogg (of Kellogg cereal) was popularizing this around the turn of the century. Also, if your kid wanted a circumsision because women don't find him attractive, he could get one. What would you do if women changed their minds in the next 20 years? So no, circumcision is an appalling practice.

>/ck/

>>4006393
Except it was some shitstain "bakers" union (and I'm using the word baker loosely) protesting that crippled the company.

Again, for the last time. They did not get rid of the pensions. What the company wanted was for the people to pay a larger share of their own pensions. The company doesn't have to the funds to match the pensions dollar for dollar anymore because you know, being bankrupt and all that. Apparently, that was too much too ask.

>>4005284

>>4006582
so now their pensions are worth shit, and everyone that was receiving a pension from Hostess is fucked

>>4006622
Exactly. This is how 5,000 crybabies ruined the jobs of the 13,000.

>>4005284
lol at unskilled workers pissed off because they dont get paid the big bucks watching machinery make shitty junk food

Is Wonder Bread gone too?

>>4006824
as is beefsteak

>>4006835

Aw, Wonder Bread was the main bread I buy

>>4006844
Better switch to store brand or something then.

I've been following this thread all day at work, but my goal was to get home mainly for the purpose of posting this image, which I can now fulfill.

On top of all this crap, I just found out that Buckyballs were being discontinued and almost completely sold out, but that's news from the beginning of this month. Still makes me sad though, like the world is trying to unravel everything that gives me joy.

Twinkies are terrible tasting, though I admit the chocolate filled ones were okay. Still shit tier but not as bad as the normal version

>caring about Hostess
>not preferring Little Debbie
>or the even more superior Entenmann;s

>>4006874
Just because we miss Hostess doesn't mean we don't appreciate the alternatives. But Hostess has the advantage of some truly unique creations, which aren't available elsewhere.

>>4006878

Debbie's versions are just as good if better. Hostess was never that good

>>4006886
What's little debbie's version of Snowballs or Chocodiles?