/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Because they don't wish to cater to eurotrash and hipster faggots?

>>3925120
Excuse me for wanted to enjoy a beer that actually has flavor with my meal.

>>3925120

The beer culture in America is vastly different than in Europe. Cider is starting to make a comeback though, I live in a shitty town in the south and the majority of the bars (that aren't dives) have started to sell Woodchuck and Angry Orchard.

I think you're just going to cheap bars, which will only sell cheap beers.

>>3925125
>I think you're just going to cheap bars, which will only sell cheap beers

This is a good point, because I live in the south too (NC) and I can always find good beer. Where do you live, OP?

>>3925125
I frequent an oyster bar I found recently that has AMAZING food, the beer is just terrible. Also, the only place I've seen Woodchuck and Angry Orchard was a bowling alley.

>TFW you live in the california bay area and even this shittiest of bars has a decent selection of beer

>>3925128
VA/NC state line, literally.

>>3925129
In the south-east it's mostly closed minded rednecks who drink bud because it's cheap as hell and they drank it with gramps when they were 10.

>>3925134
Well damn, I live in Charlotte and I've never had this problem. Is your hometown really small or really redneck? Sometimes towns will have a majority of bars that will only cater to their frequent customers' tastes, and if you're in a place populated by good ol' boys, then you're going to have a lot of shitty beer.

>>3925146

I'm in Emporia, and the bar I frequent is in Roanoke Rapids. So yes, it's extremely redneck. And damn, we're really close.

>>3925150
Man, that sucks. If you were a bit closer I'd suggest Asheville or Boone for some great beer tasting events, try taking a weekend to visit them.

The BBQ place I go to (in southeastern VA) has a good selection of stouts (including Old Rasputin).

>>3925154
A very good friend of mine moved to Charlotte and we haven't seen one another in person since 2009, maybe I should make a trip to visit for a weekend and he can show me a bar that isn't horrible.

>>3925165
If you get a chance, Boone has Oktoberfest going on this weekend. I'm going to visit my brother and stay drunk for two days straight, you should see if your friend is up for something like that. Good luck with the beer hunting!

>>3925176
I honestly enjoy the taste, and have never been drunk (though I did get tipsy the first time I drank anything).

Western NC (Cullowhee) faggot reporting in.

Sup guys

Buffalo Wild Wings has Woodchuck.

I live in the Northeast and it's extremely easy to find restaurants and bars with craft beer and cider on tap. Even some large chain restaurants have a decent beer selection now.

>>3925115
Go to a real bar and not some shithole.

unless you're in some really backwater part of the ozarks I doubt theres no good craft beer bar in your area.

Move to europe and be gay there, sally.

cider is for homosexuals and the south doesn't like homosexuals. it's no surprise bars in the south don't serve cider.

>>3925265
Cider was the drink of choice until German immigrants came here and made beer, which was cheaper than cider. Our country drank cider while fighting a military 3 times it's size. How is that gay?

>>3925279
The Spartans fought an army thousands of times their size, and they were regularly sodomizing each other.

>>3925288
That has nothing to do with the consumption of beer or cider, your argument is invalid.

>>3925294
It has everything to do with sexuality and military prowess though.
Argument revalidated.

>>3925279
>Cider was the drink of choice until German immigrants came here and made beer, which was cheaper than cider. Our country drank cider while fighting a military 3 times it's size. How is that gay?

Don't reply to trolls.

Anyway, in regards to OP: Some cities just don't buy into the whole craft beer scene. I live in a boondocks city in south-central Kentucky and three of the stores I frequent have a collective craft beer selection larger than any I've seen in any single huge warehouse liquor store when I still was living out west.

All depends on where you are, I suppose.

I'm from Alabama and you can get plenty, just not at your average bar. But in every town I've lived in there's at least 1-2 places that have enormous microbrew selection, even my local Kroger. And Alabama is one of the shittiest states with their alcohol laws. Just in 2009 we had a law passed that finally allowed the sale of beer over 5% alc content. Most of your decent beers are just above that. In just 3 years the selection has broadened enormously.

One of the best draft beer selections in my current town of residence is a Mellow Mushroom. They have a HUGE selection, and also have some local beers on tap.

The best porter I ever had was from Pensacola Bay Brewing Co, which is about 40 mins from AL's state line.

I've not gotten into ciders, so I'm not sure of the selection. I do know that when I browse the drink lists, many places have at least 3-4 varieties, especially since fall began.

Woodchuck [dunno the quality of it] is in every bar around here.

>>3925265
Our country's alcohol past was built on cider.

Though Washington did make a ballin' stout.

>>3925308
Woodchuck is delicious.

I don't know where you live op but here in Colorado we have plenty of ciders and local beers in lots of resteraunts... In fact it's unusual to not see a wide selection...

Yep, southern kalifornian here. The craft beer and cider flows freely from even the shittiest of bar taps

Pic related, it's the ceiling of my local watering hole

i think cider in america is seen manly as a girls drink

>>3925353
I made fun of my cider drinking buddies for years. Now that cider has been popping up more, I've tried it, admitted my wrongs and now enjoy a refreshing cider on occasion.

I find cider almost everywhere I go here in Texas. I'm not as sure about really dark beers because I don't drink them often. The only time I do is when I'm at a Flying Saucer (focuses on beers, hundreds to choose from) or a similar place with a really big selection of beers. There are several like that here. Flying Saucer, The Ginger Man, hell even this pizza place down the road (Mellow Mushroom) has a pretty fierce beer list.

I think you're just looking in the wrong places or you happen to be in an area where nobody gives a fuck.

>>3925347

are you in san diego? that looks like hameltons

>>3925308
Awww dude I didn't even see your post before I posted. Mellow Mushroom high five, yo.

>>3925115
If you're in Southern California:
* Crispin's in Dana Point
* Durty Nelly's in Costa Mesa
* Alcatraz Brewing Company at The Block at Orange

>>3925381

You forgot Julian cider company.

>>3925362
Nope, Naja's Place on the Redondo Beach Pier. May have to check out Hamelton's next time im in SD

>>3925381
Add Naja's to the list if you're in LA.
Nothing like drinking a beer and taking in the aromas of a second-rate pier

>>3925115
You live in the Southeast, which has nearly zero beer culture.

I know, I'm from North Carolina, where people consider Yuengling their "favorite dark beer."

I live in Chicago now, though. Glorious beer everywhere.

Basically, the beer industry in the US is a huge clusterfuck that is overwhelmingly made in favor of shit like bud and coors. Smaller breweries are most often shafted in terms of distribution.

>>3925468
We have great beers in glorious America.

The problem is that our primary binge drinking beers suck. A lot of other aglo countries have shitty beers as well.
I just recently learned that koreans know good beer. Their version on Coors/Bud is Hite/OB and that shit is a good solid beer.

I've been to bars all over the country and frequently I notice most of them have at least one cider selection, often on tap. I don't know where you're going OP but find another place.

from LA Times just this weekend:

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/05/entertainment/la-et-night-cider-20121005

Places in Los Angeles mentioned:

1642 in Historic Filipinotown; downtown L.A.'s Spring Street Bar; West Hollywood's Surly Goat and Burbank's Story Tavern

>>3925429
>zero beer culture

Not where I'm from in AL. One dude I worked with for a brief period was so pleb about beer it was annoying. Although, he did homebrew, and made this delicious Maker's Mark vanilla stout that made my mouth orgasm. And a ginger ale during the summer.

I frequent a local brewery about 45 mins from the town I grew up in as a child, and they have nationally award-winning beers.

Yes, if you go to your average cheap bar or house party in most anywhere in the country, you will get very shitty beer. You don't even have to put that much effort into looking for a place that serves good beer, if you aren't lazy or completely anti social.

>ITT: every single NCer on /ck/

Good to know I'm not alone. I'm also from the Charlotte area and have no problem finding cider or dark beers. Hell, they have that new World of Beer that just opened near where East blvd comes out uptown. I have yet to go in it. I'm afraid I may never leave.

Come visit Portland, we will go microbrewery hopping together and we can talk about glorious European brews.

Woodchuck can be found in every single bar, restaurant, and store were I live

mfw I live about 30 miles from the woodchuck distillery

>>3925115
>/ck/ how come no Pubs, bars or grills in America (or at least the southeast USA) never have any cider or or dark beer
I think this is just a southern thing

pretty much every bar has both of those up here, although it doesn't appear that cider sells very well

>>3925950
homebrewing was illegal in Alabama until this year, thats how backwards the south is

>>3925984

Alabama =/= The entirety of the south.

Stop fucking doing that. It makes you sound like a pretentious yankee.

>>3925994
>Alabama =/= The entirety of the south
no, but it is indicative of the general attitude of the south/baptist populations

>>3925995

That's a twelve, nearly thirteen, year old chart...

>>3926006
and the same geographic trend has existed much longer than that.

If you don't think the data is accurate please provide something that suggest what it should actually be.

People don't convert religions very often, and while there has been some migration of northern blacks back to the south, that wouldn't be enough to change anything here

>>3926019

Considering how many people from California and the north have moved to the south, in the last decade, to escape absurd costs of living, I'd say that the demographics have changed.

Regardless, by your logic, I'm to assume everyone else in the country is just as ass backwards for being overwhelmingly Catholic. Because, you know, the catholic church have always been the bastions of rational thought and level-headedness.

God, you're a fucking moron.

In my area, people usually get Coors or Miller. However, Yuengling is standard. And we have a good selection or imports and crafts.

>>3925115
In the San Antonio areas, they carry a lot of imports, which include many dark beers/lagers/ales. One place that has a fairly good stock is the Lion and Rose Pub (a SA and Austin chain.)
If you want dark, feel free to hit up some places here in Texas (particularly the Irish and German establishments.)
Avoid the cowboy spots... they're the "piss water" places.

Also, keep in mind that a lot of bars in the south are catering to people who are drinking to get drunk... not to have a culinary experience. Bud and Coors are cheap and require no real skill or money to pump out.

>>3925424

>going west of vine

NOPE

>>3925526

>staying east of vine

YUP

first of all op beer doesn't have flavor thats called ale/mead

secondly fuck you i enjoy pale ale

>>3926065
The evangelicals are clearly worse than the catholics these day in america

>>3926364
What are you talking about? Ale is beer

>>3926367
dude what have I been drinking then?

Dude ale isn't beer. Beer is like budweiser, ale is more like blue moon/pumpkin spiced brew/flavor of the season spiced brew. Im drinking big flatts currently it tastes like a cheap old fashioned Budweiser before they went all horsey commercially

>>3926065
>Considering how many people from California and the north have moved to the south
Sure a lot of poor people from the north and maybe a few from the west have moved to the south, but certainly not anywhere near enough to change what the majority religion is in many if any counties.

and the Catholic church has had many issues in the past but catholics are especially supportive of the alcohol consumption (most of those in america having come from ireland, poland or germany)

and evangelics in america are much worse and far more backwards today than the catholics who are not nearly as devout anymore
Notice that the more catholic states don't give as many shits

>>3926372
Ale is a type of beer.

Ale is opposed to lager, both are beer, one has top fermenting yeast, the other has bottom fermenting yeast. Lagers get a bad name as almost all of the cheap mass produced beers are lagers, but there is nothing inherently worse about lagers

>>3926373
Poor people being the smart ones im guessing? I've got family in Californa the gas costs $5 a gallon now. not a barrel a fucking gallon. why? because the state requires gas stations to sell different types of gas, one for the summer one for the winter to help the environment

>>3926380
>because the state requires gas stations to sell different types of gas
pretty sure most states do that, I know my one does too but only in urban counties.

California's gas is also really high right now because a refinery there is having serious technical problems

also I think its a stretch to call poor/southern people smart

>>3926384
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/fuels/gasolinefuels/rfg/areas.htm
..so about them gas prices

also sure the 'south' isn't too smart
>lowest rates nearest to the border

>>3926390
well of course gas is going to be a little cheaper nearest the area where there are the most refineries, transporting gas isn't costs money

(map related to previous topic)

>>3926390
Your gas may be a little cheap, but you make a hell of a lot less money

Nigga, did I catch you discussing anything besides alcohol?

>>3926413