/ck/ - Food & Cooking

So many weakly-acting causal pathways.

-cheaper food
-processed food
-takeaways with on high fat content
-comparatively higher wages/more disposable income
-export of manual labour jobs to Asia so we all sit around more
-subsidized motor industry meaning every adult is expected to own a car rather than walk
-Nigella Lawson in a tight top.

portions at restaurants and in prepackaged meals have increased, people are not nearly as active as they used to be, and convenience
foods are more widely used and they packed with unhealthy ingredients. To name a few.

In australia fast food is cheaper than buying fresh groceries. In my area it is anyway, areas are different, a lot of my friends have opted to cheap take away lunches like Mc Donalds because they can't afford to properly shop.

>>3773147

this.
compared to here (canada) americans get more food for less money by quite a large margin and your processed grocery food is cheap as well. its just a bad situation overall.

also. HFCS.

Availability and quality (or lack thereof) of food, and a distinct lack of needing to do much of anything. We don't need to work all day on the farmstead any more, the majority don't need to walk/bike any great distance, and all of our hobbies have become increasingly electronic and sedentary.

Abundant food and less labor. Every first world country is experiencing rises in obesity rates, not just America (yes, even Japan, though admittedly less than western nations).

It'll all be irrelevant once we find a way to bend brown tissue to our will and start getting into genetic modification anyway.

>>3773155
its shit like people thinking
why buy a small healthy wrap from somewhere like trio's for $9 when you can buy a large meal from McD's or KFC for that much.
Calories in wrap 400
Calories in large meal 800-1200 (depending on burger)

P.S I eat healthy as fuark, if you prepare the food yourself it is a shitload cheaper than eating unhealthy. no joke. its only when you eat out. because wholefoods and nutritious food costs a shitload more than 1000 cow meat patties.

>>3773165
So laziness, Greed. Gluttony etc.
P.S I work in hospitality I actually know exactly how much shit costs in both fast food and in restaurants. Its a joke.

Food education plays a huge role in it, I think. Most people have no idea how calorie dense the average fast food or restaurant meal is. This may be a generalization, but I also feel like most people have no idea how to cook a good, healthful meal.

Other than that, everything that has been mentioned so far. The availability and cheapness of heavily processed food, and everything being made of goddamn sugar.

>>3773162
Less physically taxing labor specifically I believe. In my opinion it seems that so many people are too burned out from work or school to do anything, especially take care of themselves. They get home and just wanna sleep.

>>3773170
>no idea how to cook

I've had at least a handful of people tell me they don't use spices/seasoning.

>>3773170
People have a fairly good grasp, these days, of the caloric content of the foods they eat.

The problem is, they don't really understand it. It's just a damn number, it's impossible to relate so simply the effects of consuming that much energy without increasing the workload in tow.

Obesity is more than just laziness. Sure, for most people if their diet is bad and they don't exercise they will put on weight, but obesity is something else. You don't become a fucking fatass without going beyond anything that could be considered a normal diet. I used to work in a supermarket, and based of the crap these people buy on a weekly basis it's no wonder they are how they are. A big thing is sugary drinks, and sugar in general, because it can make you give you a huge amount of calories without filling you up.

Also, it makes no sense when fat fucks use the "I would eat healthy, but it's too expensive" line. Snacks, soft drinks, takeaway, and general over eating costs way more than normal.

High
Fructose
Corn
Syrup.

It's pumped into everything and is responsible for the rise in obesity and diabetes 2. The food and corn lobby will stop governments from regulating it though because politicians care more about getting payouts than caring about the health of voters who quite like their fattening food and don't want to be told what to eat anyway.

Most of you are young and don't remember what a portion of food used to look like now compared to say even 20 years ago.
People who immediately blame HFCS are those who need to be disregarded.

>>3773228
>ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY

>>3773228
You got that tinfoil nice and snug on your head, right? Don't want it to slip off, now.

>>3773239
>>3773241

he's got a point about the corn lobby but HFCS is a red herring.. europe is trailing the US and we don't have nearly as much HFCS in use

>>3773239

not all conspiracies are imaginary.

regulatory capture is possibly the biggest threat to the success of our political system in the history of the united states.

the corn lobby is just a small example.

Honestly, I think the obestiy epidemic in the English-speaking world is caused by the Anglo-cultural Protestant work ethic. Cultures with similar Germanic Protestant work ethic are just a few steps behind.
The fattest civilised/industrialised/first-world countries all have one thing in common: they all speak English. Excluding a handful of countries, the fattest civilised/industrialised/first-world countries are all Protestant.
So why would this be the root cause of obesity?
Because people in these nations spend inordinate amounts of time working (a direct result of the Protestant work-ethic) and need quick meals as a result. In the US, meal breaks are typically only 30 minutes. This disallows ample time to walk to, order, enjoy and walk back from a restaurant meal, as such, the current MO is to drive to the local drive-thru, order a 1300kcal (on average) meal, then return to the job, eating along the way and finishing at the desk.
The work ethic also affects time for smart breakfasts and smart dinners.
The average work day in the US is around 9 hours daily, including this 30 minute meal break. The average commute for Americans to and from work is 1 hour. The commute to work presents itself an opportunity to pick up coffee, doughnuts and breakfast sandwiches along the way, breakfast averaging 700kcal in the US. Let's factor in 8 hours daily for sleep, and that disallows a good amount of time in the morning to have a healthier, less calorie dense breakfast and leaves a mere 5 hours per day to do anything else, including exercise, meal preparation and others. Never mind the 34% of Americans that work well over 10 hours daily.

>>3773274
Often, people will put exercise on the back-burner in favour of other things they find more enjoyable such as watching sports or television. After grinding away, going to and from work, as well as frustrations during the work day, those 5 hours remaining are precious and few want to use them to prepare healthy meals or go through the tedium of exercise so, rather, if they prepare meals at home, they tend to be meal kits such as Hamburger/Tuna Helper and other such foods. Average of 800kcal, per serving. Add up the whole day, plus factor in a bottle of sugar water and a fatty coffee drink as well, and you've got near-to (and in many cases, over) 3000kcal of daily intake.
3000kcal daily intake may not seem all that excessive, but coupled with the 19 daily hours of sedentary existance, you can now understand why it's a bad move.
And yes, America is doing its fair share to be fat, but Canada, the UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa aren't too far behind followed by Germany, Austria, Norway and Iceland, then the rest of Greater Scandinavia (Finland included!) and France closely trailing in third.
Stop working yourselves to fat.

>>3773228
Oh look it's Jamie Oliver

I'm at a healthy weight but I can see why people in a similar situation to me wouldn't be: full time student and work, and healthy food almost exclusively needs to be prepared yourself (at least where I live, and that's in California so I imagine it's like that other places too). After all that I can see why a lot of people might just be too burned out to bother eating healthy, but I don't know how much this sort of situation has actually contributed to the problem. I CAN see this situation being more common now with the economy though.

It's funny because there mis no difference

Fructose/Sugar in everything coupled with a sedentary lifestyle is my guess

I'm fat and I eat a balanced diet. The problem is I don't do any exercise at all and the portions I eat are too big. Usually at around christmas I put on 15 pounds from all the extra meals I wouldn't normally have and I don't lose them. I come from a family of feeders who'll always encourage me to eat more than I say I want and insist repeatdely until I do. It takes a while to go back to a more spartan diet of the sort that would see me gradually lose weight but every time I go out with family or friends I give in to temptation and eat more than I should.

>>3773352
But it's not in everything. You just have to not be stupid and read labels. Too much sugar in the bread aisle? Make bread and customize it to your liking. Same goes for countless other items. There are exceptions and I wouldn't expect everyone to make everything rather than buying it, but the things we eat on a daily basis should be considered for home made because those items do have a big impact on our overall diet, due to the frequent consumption.

fructose

Actually there is no scientific consensus on the cause of the obesity pandemic. There is no correlation between eating foods high in fat and sugar and obesity over a population. If you eat more than you burn but on a societal level its irrelevant because some people who do eat that shit don't get fat and some who eat healthy do.

Processed food. No nutrition, tons of carbs.
Carbs are not evil, but if you don't use them they turn to fat. when you're getting 40 grams of sugar from one drink, with every meal, you're going to get fat. Especially when you sit at a desk all day.

>>3773386
exactly. But few people actually cook these days. It's just much easier to heat up a premade meal, or drive a couple miles and get food IN YOUR CAR HOLY SHIT

>>3773487
Are you suggesting magic is at play then?

Scientists are fairly certain that you get fat from having a surplus in your calorific intake against your excursion. By "fairly certain" I mean "definitely certain".

I am being sarcastic here, but I would actually like to know what you meant. Do you think you can get fat without eating more than you expend?

>>3773500
Yes. You're right. You gain weight if you eat more calories than you burn. This is always true. It can't be not true.

When controlling for calories scientists couldn't find a correlation between bad diets (HFCS, lots of saturated fats, no exercise) and obesity on a societal level in the US.

>>3773218
>go to wal-mart at 11pm.
>lines are inexplicably filled, despite there only being one or two people
>start waiting in line, fat ass bitch in front of me
>groceries include a big tub of margarine (not even the decency to go for real butter), a one-thousand pack of soda, loaves of sugary white bread (that shit is basically like a marshmallow), sugary snacks.
>she pays with food stamps

It was just such a perfect reminder of how many poor, dumb, and fat people this country needlessly has.

>>3773507
those are some stupid fucking scientists then

>>3773514
>ad hominem towards peer reviewed scientific research
omg ur rite dey be stoopid.

The cause of the obesity epidemic over the last 15-20 years is not a secret.

The price of all resources and labor has increased in this time. Take a look at food prices in 1981 in NJ:

http://www.gti.net/mocolib1//prices/1981.html#thanksgiving

The price of labor goes up and so do salaries. So, access to food, whether it be healthy or unhealthy has remained unchanged for the most part.

As far as active lifestyles go; there are plenty examples of overweight people who work multiple jobs and/or *much* harder labor than a skinny sedentary office worker. So exercise is not a panacea for obesity as some people would like to believe and preach. It doesn't hurt to exercise, and may in fact help people lose weight, but more often then not, increasing your energy output will just make you hungrier, so you compensate for the calories you burn in order to maintain your previous energy levels.

This leaves WHAT you eat as the largest contributing factor to obesity. Of course, some people have a genetic predisposition to over or under regulate fat storage, but that is a side topic.

What people eat is greatly influenced by what is available for their budget. It is not a coincidence that poor people have a higher obesity rate. So why then does obesity become a problem for people who do not have significant limitations in their budget? Media distribution of bad science spoken by scientists or the mouth piece of the gov't (FDA, etc.).

cont...

continued...

Heart Disease is Enemy #1

There was a huge push to understand the growing epidemic of heart disease in the last half of the 20th century. Lots of funding in the US went into finding environmental or lifestyle correlations, however, since it was cholesterol that was clogging arteries, much of the research centered on finding a correlation with fat consumption. Unfortunately, after spending millions of dollars the CAUSE of arterial sclerosis and other heart conditions, was not directly correlated to fat consumption. One such notable study funded by the AHA back in the 80s was a complete failure, but since they didn't want to look too ridiculous the AHA decided that regardless of the results of the study, it is still "logical" to conclude that if cholesterol is not available to deposit in the arteries, then there will be less likelihood of this happening. Hence, eat less cholesterol containing foods.

Hence, the AHA started saying things like "You can eat whatever you want as long as it is low in fat..." Retailers and Agriculture took this and ran with it. If you were alive in the 80s and 90s then you remember the onslaught of ridiculous marketing of low or non-fat foods. Fat free ketchup anyone?!

The fat in everything was reduced, often being replaced with sugars and starches to make up for the loss in flavor.

So, yep, it's pretty simple. People are fatter today than they were 30 years ago, because they're eating more carbohydrates, while eschewing fat; fat which happens to be very satisfying to eat and is digested slower than carbs - so people probably end up eating more than they should because they're not satisfied, and more low fat food is more high-carb food.

Anyone who understands how food is metabolized and how insulin acts on fat storage can tell you what a mistake this was.

>>3773140
The biggest reasons are premade food which are high in fat and salt content. Normally, that wouldn't be a problem if you're a hardworking farmer which leads to reason #2 being that people started working in offices and being sedentary.

HFCS is a contributing factor because it's used a lot, although if it weren't (e.g. if it weren't subsidized) people would probably just use cane or beet or whatever sugar which is equally bad

>>3773529
one study which i have yet to see cited

i don't care either way. The correlation is easy to see for anyone with common fucking sense. I don't have to pay a university staff to do retard research for me to know this.
Fucking scientists have been saying the dumbest shit in the past 60 years regarding food science and very little of it is true. Fuck scientists and their peer reviewed bullshit

>>3773529
Obviously his attacks are baseless, but you would be a fool to think peer-reviewed research is completely objective and not influenced by the granting agency, pressure to publish, reviewers, journal quality, etc.

Researchers are humans with lots of pressure and are not necessarily objective or unbiased. Look at the bias to only publish positive results.

Just google LCHF and all your problems will be solved.

People decided that a lower BMI was going to be the standard line for deciding people were obese, and we have an aging population without as many wanting to have tons of kids.

So older population + lower weight necessary to be considered obese = higher obesity rates.

>>3773218
Supermarket worker here, I wouldn't say it's entirely the shoppers' fault that they buy what they buy. We seem to have specials regularly on things like frozen meals, soda, biscuits and cookies, potato chips - food that's all processed and/or has little or no nutritional value. People see these things and think about how much of a bargain they're getting or, something like "Hey, that'll keep the kids filled up between school and dinner" (and with the lack of activity kids get these days, they get fatter too).

I do notice patterns in what people buy though. Those people who are fatter and seem less well off tend to buy things in bulk, but not the right stuff. Those things I mentioned above, but also things like $20 packs of meat, and tins of baked beans and spaghetti and other processed foods. The meat portions in those packs are probably 2-3 times what an actual serving of meat should be, and processed foods aren't exactly great for you. There also tends to be fewer fresh produce.

Also, I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread, but there's also remnants of that mentality where healthy foods don't taste as good. I've seen many products market themselves with slogans like "low on calories, high on taste", and this (to me, at least) reinforces this mentality that most healthy foods aren't tasty.

>>3773812
Is it true that supermarkets slap new sell-by dates on their old meats?

>>3773815
I wouldn't know, I don't work in butchery. A while ago one of our main rivals was caught pumping their meat with oxygen to make it look fresher though, and our parent company released a statement saying that we don't. Assuming that's true, I guess some supermarkets do and some don't.

>>3773507

Yes they can. I'm not sure what you mean, are you suggesting that they haven't found a correlation between increased weight between individuals who ate equal amounts, but where some of them ate it in less healthy forms? Because yes of course, a calorie is a calorie. Also please take your tinfoil hat off regarding HFCS, studies about that have been out for years. The only thing scientists aren't certain of is exactly why obesity has increased so much in recent years; they believe it's because of something unrelated to direct consumption (ie different lifestyle, society changing to adapt to blablablaa less healthy stuff available, everyone's busy blablablabla) so it's almost impossible to test.

>>3773812
I buy things in bulk too (not processed foods but $20 packs of meat and tins of beans, albeit not baked beans, are both DEFINITELY staples) and I am very thin. Most skinny people are unhealthy too, I only know 1 other person who isn't fat (he's a personal trainer) that actually eats healthy.

multiple factors. its impossible to put it all down to ONE

basically:
-an over-reliance on fast food, especially among families
-an overconsumption of cheap highly processed food products
-increasingly immobile lifestyle (work and personal)

NZfag here, I can't believe people haven't mentioned alcohol. There's a lot of binge drinking here (more than the US, IIRC), and most alcohol is empty calories, plus sugar depending on what you drink. That's definitely a contributing factor to some extent.

>>3773543
>>3773544

/thread

>>3773543

For many people, especially those working entry-level jobs, the cost of food has not increased proportionately to the amount they are paid.

>>3773830
There's always been a lot of alcohol consumption, in many countries it's better (lower) now than it was in the past.

can this thread be archived? i think this is a pretty decent discussion

the pork capital of the world consumes less alcohol than it did in the 70s and 80s, yet people just keep getting fatter (another example would to to look around ~2002, where there's a dip in alcohol consumption and a subsequent spike in average weight)

>>3773844
captcha ate pic

>>3773836
this

until fairly recently, most people drank ONLY alcohol (untreated water was lethal so fermenting/brewing was the only safe way to drink) and they drank a shit ton of it!! children too

it certainly didn't lead to any obesity epidemics back in the past

>>3773834

Minimum wage not keeping up with the cost of living isn't anything new. Every once in a while a political leader comes along who uses it as part of their platform, then it shoots up, only to languish when her/his term is over until the disparity is too obvious once again some years down the line.

Whatever the case, poor people have higher rates of obesity because the cheapest food available is mostly made with gov't subsidized food products; i.e.

US wheat subsidies were $34.4 billion from 1995-2011; US corn subsidies were $81.7 billion for the same time period.

>>3773853

If anything, people drinking lots of booze is just indicative of unhealthy lifestyles in general; it doesn't mean that the reason they're fat. If you see an obese person guzzling vodka and chain smoking, it's because they clearly don't give a fuck about any sort of healthy behaviors.

>>3773844
>>3773846
I'm quite skeptical about the weight because it's weight, and it seems to be a touchy subject among women (I'm female myself) so I would be cautious about how accurate it is. I would also be a bit cautious about the alcohol consumption chart, it doesn't distinguish between the amount of consumption, so it lumps those who have just a glass of wine with dinner every now and then with those who go out and get wasted every weekend.

I'm not disputing what you're saying, just warning you to take the stats with a grain of salt.

>>3773863
If it was part of an actual study I sincerely doubt they actually ASKED women both what their current weight was AND what they wanted to weigh. The whole point of the survey seemed to be comparing the relative difference between the two; I'd be very surprised if they were not manually weighed. I could of course be wrong, but that would be quite a shitty study.

You are right now that I look at the alcohol chart, I just grabbed the first things I could find; it definitely doesn't distinguish. I've seen a bunch of other studies that do though and fit in with this same idea so I'll try to grab those in a sec, in a game.

>>3773873
It says 'Average Self-Reported Weight', so these women probably just told the researchers what they weigh. It's possible that they just mailed out questionnaires, which is one of the worst ways on conducting a study.

Sorry if I sound like I'm being overly picky, I'm a psychology major and I had a course last semester about research methods.

>>3773863

NEWS FLASH

Beer, wine, and cute cocktails have calories and people have consumed this stuff for millennia.

The presumption of alcohol contributing significantly to the rise in obesity is moot, as I highly doubt that between today and 30 years ago alcohol consumption has replaced significantly more of anyone's diet. For all but the heaviest drinkers, alcohol consumption does not figure into more than a single-digit percent of their daily caloric intake.

I personally think it's the advent of instant food.

Food is too easy to get, now. It's too easy to think, "Hey I'm kind of bored. I'll eat a whole meal in six minutes and then pretty much forget about it because it took nothing to prepare at all. Then later when I'm bored I'll do it all again."

Basically, I think the act of actually cooking a meal, at a stove, for several minutes prepares the brain and body to eat. It makes you less likely to eat because you're bored, as it takes more effort to cook in the first place.

HCFS is not the only reason for the rise. They hardly use that shit throughout UK but obesity still rising.

>>3773889
No one ever said anything about alcohol being a significant contributor to weight gain. I'm sure most people here agree it's a variety of factors acting together to cause a general increase in weight gain. And I even said that I wasn't disputing what that anon was trying to say, just that the stats might not be as accurate when you sit down and think it through. There's no need to get so agitated about this.

>>3773889
And for the heaviest drinkers, those alcohol calories (it's complicated so I'm going to paraphrase but this is ESSENTIALLY the case) don't really count.

>>3773897
HFCS ISN'T THE REASON FOR THE RISE AT ALL, IT'S THE SAME AS FUCKING SUGAR IN THAT CONTEXT.

YES I'M MAD

>>3773893
Or am I the only one that has been known to eat when I get bored.

It is the fact that people are simply eating more. Portion size is through the fucking roof. A large soda from any fast food joint is fucking 32oz. Large fries are about 700-800 calories, which is about/over a third of most peoples maintenance calorie intake.

>>3773910
>paraphrase
And WHAT exactly are you paraphrasing? I would quite like to see the source.

>>3773921

Are you really too lazy to google? There are at least 5 abstracts you can find in probably 90s.

>>3773923
I'm beginning to think you don't actually know what paraphrase means. I think the word you should have used is 'summarise'. They're not completely synonymous.

>>3773927
you're more or less correct, I'm in the middle of a game and am responding when I am dead or healing so my word choice was not ideal. Simplify probably would've been the ideal word choice. If everyone is still too lazy to spend 5 minutes googling then I'll post links when my game is over.

People decided that a lower BMI was going to be the standard line for deciding people were obese, and we have an aging population without as many wanting to have tons of kids.

So older population + lower weight necessary to be considered obese = higher obesity rates.

>>3773510
what's it like knowing that you're going through all this trouble of eating healthy and you still have the same chance of developing some type of diet-unrelated disease as those who enjoy their meals?

i'll enjoy life while i have it, you smug sob

>>3773547
salt has nothing to do with obesity

already posted this before but why the hell not.

>obesity rates in america began increasing at the same time corn production exploded
>corn syrup
>corn syrup in EVERYTHING
>corn syrup inhibits the brain's ability to create the "I'm full now, stop eating" response.
>people eat more and more

This along with the fact that unhealthy food is cheap and convenient and exercising is not required to survive daily life anymore.

>>3774210
if that's true then how come i get full so easily? i drink soda with almost every meal.

>>3774210

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

>>3774230
Not watching all that, but if the point you're trying to make is that HFCS has just as much sugar/same type of sugar/etc as..sugar, then I already know this. Sugary foods are also a problem but HFSC's chemical affects on people make it worse.

>>3774244

No, HFCS is the problem, not all sugars

>>3774250
I worded that badly. Sugars are not technically a problem, the same way salty foods aren't, the problem is that extremely sugary and unhealthy foods are abundant and cheap.

It's honestly very simple. The only reason we have an obesity "epidemic" is because people are eating too many calories and eating too much sodium, sugar, and carbs. I guarantee that anyone over 20lbs overweight does not have a proper diet.

I eat like a bird but I drink like a fish.

I'll have a sandwich when I wake up then start drinking as soon as I get home from work. I'll kill about twelve beers a night. That's about 3,300 calories a day. 500 for the sandwich, 2,700 from beer.

>>3774286
Are you me???

This is my problem. Can't escape the alcoholism. I'm no hardcore alcoholic, but I can't go more than a day or two at the most without drinking. That really piles on the calories. :(

How did this thread get derailed into a battle of conspiracy theories regarding HFCS?

There is some good info in this thread, but the last 30 post are by people who have read none of it.

Most of this thread is summerfags saying whatever the fuck they think without anything to back it up. "Oh hurr durr, people are lazy, too many calories, so simple. HURRR."

Read what those who've posted before you have written so you don't waste everyone's time.

>>3774306
>stop having opinions that I don't agree with

Those posting about HFCS think it's the cause of obesity, that's their opinion. No need to be a smug asshole.

>>3774317

Well, I'll let my smugness shine.

HFCS is just another sugar/carbohydrate.

More than half of HFCS is fructose, the rest is glucose which our bodies can synthesize naturally.

Guess what's in fruit? Fructose. Anyone who supports any theory about HFCS causing the obesity epidemic must deal with this fact. All that HFCS in your Twizzlers and your Coke is the same basic element that is in a few bunches of grapes.

People are fat because of the fat-free craze that, we replaced fat in everything with sugars and starches and encouraged people to eat "healthy whole grains" (instead of bacon have some oatmeal or whole wheat bread...), grains are in fact just more carbohydrates.

This guy said it all: >>3773543

End of the HFCS dicussion.

>>3774363
It isn't considered good manners to agree with your own post.

We call it "samefagging" on 4chan.

>>3774363
see>>3774230

>>3774434
>Shitty opinion conspiracy youtube video

I'm guessing you believe the Jews and the Mexicans and the Asians are all out to get you, too?

>>3773893
>>3773893
>>3773893
>>3773893
No one has responded to this?

>>3774377
>More than one person has an opinion I don't agree with
>Must be samefagging

Losing-the-argument logic.

>Everyone ignores the fact that obesity is rising through just about every first world country to post conspiracy bullshit against carbs and against HFCS and against whatever boogeyman the Youtube video set them up against

France, Italy, Spain, Japan, Germany, all of the Scandinavian countries, they're all going through it. They may not have as much of it, but, then again, their cultures don't really tend to advocate a huge T-Bone and a side of hashbrowns as being the great cultural meal, either.

People decided that a lower BMI was going to be the standard line for deciding people were obese, and we have an aging population without as many wanting to have tons of kids.

So older population + lower weight necessary to be considered obese = higher obesity rates.

>>3774558
Japanese people get old too. They are not whales.

>>3774448

Thanks for showing us all how retarded you are.

The problem I see with HFCS is that it's not bad in and of itself. The fact that it's in things like pasta sauces and peanut butter and bread is the problem. It adds calories and sugar to foods people don't expect to see those things in. Adding an extra one or two hundred calories a day will eventually make you gain weight. Fructose in fruit is fine, because your desire for sweetness is satisfied. Fructose in bread is not, because it's just adding calories.

That's just like, my opinion though.

>>3774512
>France, Italy, Spain, Japan, Germany, all of the Scandinavian countries, they're all going through it

Nah. Not really.

>>3776225
and if it wasn't hfcs it would be SUGAR

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

Everyone, watch Weight of the Nation. It outlines it pretty well.

The industrialization of food led to food companies becoming influential corporations, and the foods with the highest profit margin (bread, corn, sugar) got a stranglehold on our corrupt congress, whereas some farmers are paid to not plant crops to keep some prices high. There's no accounting for taste, but if we actually subsidized healthy fruits and vegetables there would be a shift in what poor people would buy. Not to mention "food deserts" where someone would have to go far out of their way to find something healthy when there's 5 fast-food joints within walking distance, and their TV is shoving food porn in their face saying they "deserve" ice cream.

Our country has unintentionally created the perfect environment for obesity, and if you really want to change the trend you can't just tell people to get up and play inbetween their first and second jobs.

Cheaper food and/or dollar menu

>>3776297
No, he has a point. Cheap, low quality food uses excessive sodium and sugar to make it taste good, because it's hard to make delicious bread for a buck a loaf.

>>3773140
It is not just too much food. It is the type of food. Food today is engineered in a way to actually make you fat. Stick to fresh fruits, vegetables, fungi, and locally raised lean meats (venison, mutton, and capretto). Don't eat human pet food.

>>3776297

it's not about calories you fuckwit.

In general, shitty food is cheaper, faster, and tastes better.

inb4 shitstorm but you all know it's true

The current food economy is very good at making cheap, tasty food by the easiest means possible (fat, sugar, salt) with loads of marketing, at the expensive of actual nutrition. It also encourages overconsumption.

Mainly due to amerifat corn subsidies.

>>3774363
>People are fat because of the fat-free craze

you forget that the 'fat free craze' came about as a response to rising obesity

don't mix up cause and effect

>>3777143
which episode talks about this?

>People saying cheaper food is making people fat
You people are worse than statist liberals. Do you also think forks make people fat?

No. It all boils down to self control. Yeah, people are taking advantage of easier opportunities to become land planets, but that's because they are weak. It doesn't mean you have to hike up food prices and make portions smaller for physically active health concious people such as myself.

>>3778977
oh dear

>It all boils down to self control

so people all suddenly lost all self control years ago?

>>3778977

>>3778862
It's actually ridiculously easy to cook cheap healthy meals. The problem is that it takes more effort in the cooking department, and people are lazy.

>>3778977
Go to bed Kokesh.

>>3778992
No, but as society changes, people need to change too. Just because shit food is out there to eat that wasn't there 50 years ago, doesn't mean you have to eat it. The weak will become fat and the strong will remain fit.
>>3778994
>probably also supports gun control

>>3778997
/thread

>>3779001
not /thread dickhead, everyone knows how you get fat on an individual basis, this thread is about how society suddenly got so fat

go to /v/ with your useless posts

>>3779000
what food has suddenly arrived that wasn't there 50 years ago?

>>3773274
Mexico's obesity rate would like to have a word.

>>3779010
can you elaborate?

>>3779013
Mexico is a mostly home cooking culture. People here actually drive back to their home to eat or bring it from home where the woman makes good stuff (or she is a no good wife).

We speak spanish. We are catholic.

And we are the second most obese country in the world. Where there is a correlation, is in cocacola. We are the second largest consumer in the world. USA is first. And first also in obesity.

So >>3773274 is wrong on its face.

The USA is only fat if you count black women, which you shouldn't.

If you remove them from the equation, we're thinner than most of yurop.

>>3779029
back to /pol/

>>3779030

I'm sorry the truth makes you uncomfortable.

>>3779008
Big ass cheeseburgers, bigger portions, widespread use of HFCS, everything the liberals above me have mentioned

processed foods and the balance of a typical meal in the western countries between carbs, fats and protein is off.
too much carbs, too much fat, not enough protein.