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>>20451348
A fool and his money are easily parted

>>20451367
I'm a fool
Can you tell me why it would be foolish of me to purchase OP's wine over, say, Chilean gas station wine?

>>20451375
there is none. the difference between a $10 wine and a $60 wine is greater than the difference between a $60 wine and a $500 wine.

>>20451367
Thats an increadibly stupid way of looking at it

>>20451389
Why?
t. stupid

>>20451392
Those wines are like rare collectables. They never reduce in value, they only gain. Its a good investment.

>>20451407
Sounds like a terrible investment if you bought a bottle of wine and you failed to get inebriated from it for the sake of some currency.
I mean I suppose one could buy several more bottles of cheaper wine but that would in the future, which greatly decreases the present, immediate, real enjoyment of the actual alcoholic juice inside that bottle. And you can't put a price on that.
And if you did I'd pay it if I could.

>>20451419
Do you have a brain tumor? Something is wrong up there

>>20451423
It is the difference between appreciating some thing due to its category and quality, versus appreciating some thing ducae to other's appreciation of its category and quality.

More than anything I am annoyed at the price tag because it gets in the way of me trying ALL the wines and determining for myself what I like best, a process which gives me much more enjoyment than speculating on the value of wines and hoarding them like a resource.

>>20451433
>ducae
due

>>20451379
diminishing marginal returns

you get it with whisky as well, a £80 bottle is really nice and two extra zeroes on the end tastes maybe 10% better

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine)

>>20451375
>why it would be foolish
because paying 1000 bucks for a bottle of booze is stupid

>>20451456
>The horrified and enraged leaders of the French wine industry then banned Spurrier from the nation's prestigious wine-tasting tour for a year, apparently as punishment for the damage his tasting had done to its former image of superiority.
I wonder how much of a loss those "leaders" would have to take to ensure that image is based on something substantial

>>20451348
Money laundering for criminals who appear as upstanding citizens from the outside.

>>20451456
ty for sharing. i loved this read.

>>20451348
For me? It's the best pinot noir Rain Duck.

>>20451456
Grapes are fruits and as much terroir is a thing I doubt you can only get good wines from France, its fucking obvious how this is not evident to some tards here is something that puzzles me.

>>20451457
Would you pay a dime for something? To some people 1000 dollars is like pocket change. The price is meaningless and is driven by supply and demand. A lot of people have way more money than you do. Having said all that some wines do have very high input costs and are very good. Good wine can cost several hundred dollars a bottle. Some people have figured out how to make good wine for 50 dollars or 100 dollars. The thing is when everyone figures out the 100 dollar bottle is really good and will be even better a few years down the road the value of those bottles shoots up. The secondary market is where you see these crazy prices. The vast majority of wine is a lot less expensive when you are ordering fresh cases from the winery.

i like mad dog and titties

>>20451407
>They never reduce in value, they only gain.
Bottles break, get corked, spoil, etc.

It's not pure profit

>>20452111
Duuuuh

Wine is a scam just like "modern art"

>>20452111
>get corked, spoil
Not your problem, literally is a problem for the guy who buys the bottle and they should assume the risks.

>>20452220
Incredibly obvious fact of wine that anyone with even 5 minutes of experience would know. Who are these people screaming about wine being a ripoff?

I'll give you a real answer that nobody else wants to give. Higher end products differentiate themselves from mass market through vertically integrated manufacturing ("estate grown, bottled and produced"), and by labor-intensive methods.

Any time you do that, you're limiting output, which on its own, might raise the price moderately. But once you add mass media, instant communication, global payment systems, and so on, demand for something niche can go from 1 to 100,0000 in milliseconds. You rubes are probably familiar with limited edition sneakers or GI Joe Edition jeeps, right? Well imagine that, but for a wine where there's only 1000 bottles and the people who would be into that wine are capable of paying almost any price, no matter how high.

It doesn't make the wine a "scam" any more than it makes that GI Joe truck a "scam", it just means that most of us who don't care all that much about that EXACT wine can probably get something just as good for about $9000 less, i.e. only $100 a bottle and not $10000. It's only a "scam" if you think you're entitled to it, which makes it literally sour grapes.

>>20451348
Napa and burgundy are the worst offenders for price quality gauging,
if you want some good wine go for ~10 bucks,
amazing wine is usually 30-50
then if you really want something premium drop a few hundred on a top tier german white, bordeaux or italian red if you dont want to totally blow your money on the winemakers mortgage (napa) or the chinese market buying all supply (burgundy)

The new top tier US winemakers have to take loans to pay for their land, while the european winemakers have had the estate in the family for 200 years, making shit like screaming eagle, stags leap and others get retarded expensive for what you get

The price of a bottle of wine is largely tied to the advertising qualities of its label. Anything over $10 is either historically interesting (0.1% of them0 or advertising gimmicks preying on the gift-giving market (the rest).

>>20453121
Based.

>>20453128
Retarded cope.

>>20453189
>trust me, it's amazing. I payed $50. they wouldn't charge me $50 if it wasn't amazing
nice try, toddler. I know your mum told you money was a great substitute for taste, but your mum just wanted to cripple you emotionally so you'd always be by her side

>>20453193
Point and case. Thanks for proving my point so nicely. ;)

>>20451348
Tax fraud meme that the public bought into. Like modern art.

They're all chemically altered to taste.

/ck/ has the lowest average IQ of any board on this website. Yes, lower than /v/, lower than /pol/, lower than /b/, lower than /x/. You are all truly stupid and why you feel the need to post on a food and cooking board when most of you not only don't cook, but subsist on tendies and mcdonalds, are afraid of "ethnic food", and and on top of that all seem to be poor and have an extreme issue with sour grapes, feeling like any sort of fine dining or artisnal wine/spirit is a rip off personally targeting you. I truly pity your pathetic souls.

>>20451940

>>20453703
/ck/ is the most accessible board for normies. So you get a bunch of typical reddit posts combined with terrible attempts at shitposting. /ck/ is basically daycare for redditors.

>>20451348
dunno about this wine specifically but everything out of reach of dweebs on autismbux is a con to 4chan posters
except when it comes to gay shit like thousand dollar magic the gathering cards

>>20451379
>>20451455
It's not just diminishing returns
most reasonably experienced wine drinkers can readily tell the difference between a $10-20 bottle of wine and one costing $50-100, but very few can tell the difference between a $50-100 bottle and one costing $500 or more
At least with whiskey you can sort of tell the difference and tell yourself it was worth it just to say you did, spending big on wine is an empty exercise

>>20451389
he's 100% right though
richfags are retards and its really easy to trick them into paying a 10000% mark-up for a $2 product

Olema cab and jlohr october nights is as expensive as I'll spend 30bucks and its best I've had

>>20458650
only available during the fall

>>20451433
based

>>20451367
fpbp

>>20451348
It's a trick to fool idiots to give their money for a crafty businessman.

>>20451433
the whole worl is circles of private worlds bought into via money and social accessibility. simples as that

fuckers with money can buy a shit ton of screaming eagle drink half of it and sell the rest for giggles to makes some bucks later and likely do both

good wine of course is extremely good

>>20451367
Growing grapes, extracting the juice, fermenting the juice, and having it occupy valuable storage space for years with no guarantee that the end product will be sold (fires, natural disasters, pests, spoilage can interfere) isn't that easy.

I have had a few 200 dollar ones. Non of them were anywhere as good as most random 25 dollar bottles i isually buy. But i suppose there is a big difference between the 200 dollar ones and the 2K ones. Even if poorfags like to cope otherwise

>>20451348
Sheeps are meant to be sheared

Seriously, while expensive wine is better than what I make i find the quality mostly unrelated to price.

>>20454492
>Stupid stupid bitch. Doesn't even know. She is going to get the best bottle of wine of her stupid bitch life.

Cheap bulk wine is made with a lot of preservatives, cleaners, flavour shortcuts, chemical shortcuts, cheap corks or screw tops, etc. Stuff made to drink quickly, won't age well or even at all, non-complex flavours.
Expensive wine is either a marketing scam, or a reflection of the money spent on making the wine (or both sometimes). Filtering is expensive, angel's share evaporation is expensive, hand-picking is expensive (machine harvesting is a really dirty process), storage is expensive, barrels are expensive, good land is expensive, the governments pound of flesh is expensive, hand pruning is expensive, etc.
The amount of money you have to spend to go from one category to the other is going to change country to country, but $10 bottles are $10 for a reason. Anecdotally, you have to spend more money in NA than you do in Europe to get a bottle that isn't garbage though.
t. done vineyard work

>Why are some bottles thousands of dollars though?
Because someone is willing to buy them lol

>>20461900
This is what a real analysis of wine prices looks like. Pay attention poorfags.

>>20456624
plus liquors give you many servings and the flavor holds up much better.

>>20456624
>very few can tell the difference between a $50-100 bottle and one costing $500
that's because the only difference is marketing wank

what's a wine that'll clean your colon out? something to make a biological sistine chapel?

>>20451379
The law of diminishing returns - Hi-Fi is another good example.

>>20462931
All luxury items are like this
A Mercedes is a huge step up from a Hyundai, a Rolls Royce a small incremental gain from an S Class
A Patek Phillipe is better looking than a Swatch but isn't functionally better
Allen Edmonds are a big step up from a discount brand, a bespoke shoe is better but you probably won't see the gain