/ck/ - Food & Cooking

No one is accidentally eating a low sodium diet. Have you seen the sodium counts on most food?

>>20453174
Isn't zerohedge a conspiracy theory website like Infowars or Tucker Carlson?

Legit question: if I shoved a bunch of salt up my ass would my body digest it? Do it really need to be in the stomach? What if I diluted it in water and shoved that salt water up my ass?

>>20453178
>Have you seen the sodium counts on most food?
Most food is not high in sodium.
Packaged shit is not most food

>>20453174
This could be the dumbest headline I've ever seen. Unless you go out of your way to make all your own meals from scratch using whole foods your diet will definitely have way too much salt in it as is.
I know this not just academically but through recent personal experience too. Had been cooking all my meals with nearly perfect nutrition to where I got all my inflammatory markers down. Then I finally went in for a surgery I'd been doing all this for. Anyway the surgery got fucked up and I spent a couple weeks eating hospital meals followed by eating delivery for each meal the past day and a half since getting discharged. And holy shit, every restaurant AND hospital food services put like fifty times the sodium they should be using in their meals. I can't believe that shit was ever normalized to me in the past.
Terrible for your erectile function too. Sodium is a vasoconstrictor. You want to minimize sodium while getting leafy greens and other kinds of vasodilators in your diet. Even if that weren't true though excess salt just tastes disgusting and sits heavy when you've spent long enough eating a sane diet without the typical daily metric ton of it.

>>20453181
He could be anything else, and I'd still laugh him out of the room for choosing an alias after the deluded second personality of a fictional terrorist with insomnia and CTE.

>>20453202
Packaged shit and/or restaurant food is in fact what most people in modern developed countries are eating.

>>20453202
Iodized salt being in everything is the literal reason nobody gets goiters anymore

>>20453210
And fluorinated water is the reason you haven't had 10 cavities. But is keeping all your teeth a good trade off for being borderline retarded?

>>20453181
It's mostly a stock analysis website, dipshit tranny dog raper

>>20453210
Iodized sat is nowhere near necessary in the modern age. Yes at one point in history it prevented a severe deficiency in the hyper-focused diet that old farmers faced, but that's long been defunct. People get enough Iodine from grains and dairy to not need the iodine in iodized salt. At this point it's sold as more of a tradition than necessity.

It's just. Not a think anymore.

>add shitton of salt when cooking
>sprinkle more salt on finished product
>eat frozen/instant shit more often than cook
>eat a lot of salty snacks
>take a bloodtest
>''your sodium is very low, please eat more salt''
Am I gonna make it bros?

>>20453216
Iodizing salt was maybe the biggest mass health gain for the least amount of effort and expenditure man ever made. It wasn't just some special recent history farming problem.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3169859/
>Goiter has always been a disease of immense interest of the general population due to its widespread prevalence. It is one of the most common medical problems portrayed in ancient paintings.
http://www.pathologyoutlines.com/topic/thyroidendemicgoiter.html
>Over 1/3 of world population live in iodine deficient area; 1.6 billion are at risk of iodine deficiency; 655 million have goiter
>inb4 you're covered by tap water:
http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/chemicals/iodine.pdf
>The mean concentration of total iodine in drinking-water in the USA is 4 µg/litre and the maximum concentration is 18 µg/litre.
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iodine-Consumer/
>How much iodine do I need?
>Adults - 150 mcg
>Am I getting enough iodine?
>Certain groups of people are more likely than others to have trouble getting enough iodine:
>People who do not use iodized salt.
>Adding iodine to salt is the most widely used strategy to control iodine deficiency.

>>20453209
I guess my family and I are not like most other people. We just had pasta with cauliflower for dinner, although I did indeed have packaged shit for lunch (a hoagie, but at least I had it with a salad).
>>20453210
Aren't there a kajillion sources of iodine besides packaged food and iodised salt? My diet is mostly fresh produce and I've never had a goiter.
To be clear, I'm not against packaged shit. I eat it from time to time, too. But I would hope that most people eat a carrot every now and again.

>>20453236
>>20453231
Just looked it up and the main sources of iodine are seafood which I eat a lot of. Neat.

>>20453225
The FDA is actually trying to make a law right now to regulate those tests better. I've always just trusted them too but apparently some labs play fast and loose with them. I'm surprised my fat ass isn't even pre diabetic but supposedly my a1c is 4.9 so maybe they are just lying to us b

>>20453236
>Aren't there a kajillion sources of iodine besides packaged food and iodised salt?
The dose is what matters.
Iodine is in trace amounts of many foods and drinks but you'd need to eat stupid amounts like 6 eggs a day to get the full dose.

>>20453231
The key word here is "was." Third worlders still need iodine? Sure, they're going through similar hyper-concentrated diets. But do you, the person reading this, cooking for yourself. Marinating chicken and asking yourself "should I use salt or salt (tm)?" need iodizing salt? Nowhere near so.

I mean how many self-sufficient third-worlders do you think are on this forum? Well maybe I'm under-thinking a bit.

>>20453245
It's good if you're eating seafood but still check the iodine content. Seafood probably is the most plausible way to get your iodine needs without supplementation.

>>20453250
The whole point of that post is it isn't just in the past UNLESS you're getting iodized salt like most Americans are or are othereise supplementing.

>>20453200
You could definitely become hypernatremic amd possibly die

>>20453248
>>20453256
Well, I eat seafood at least twice a week but I don't eat that many eggs.
Actually, I just got a good deal on eggs, 30 small for $2.50. How long would you boil them for soft boiled eggs?

>>20453178
I'm good tho. I live in a hot climate and I jack off three times a day so I expend a lot of salt through sweat and semen

>>20453247
I'm not American and as far as I know, they're well regulated here. I've taken several tests over the years and they all have shown sodium deficiency. Kinda makes sense that I crave salt if that truly is the case.

>>20453207
>Unless you go out of your way to make all your own meals from scratch using whole foods
Literally how I became sodium deficient in my early 20s. I don't like fast food or processed food and do all my own cooking and I used as little salt in cooking as I could because I didn't like salty foods that much. Found out when I had a physical and had blood work done and then I had to add salt to my cooking and I realized that salt is a magical flavor enhancer. The best one I think. I'm also a diagnosed autistic if you couldn't tell, not sure if that matters.

>>20453303
That's impressive. Your doctor was probably impressed too.

>>20453212
Do people actually drink unfiltered tap water?

>>20453174
Morton > Diamond Crystal

>>20453231
I m pescitarian and only eat seafood for protein mostly. I had too much iodine because of that and using this salt, which caused explosive cystic acne all over my body.

>>20453303
>I don't like fast food or processed food and do all my own cooking and I used as little salt in cooking as I could because I didn't like salty foods that much.
This is how I am right now, but I knew about sodium deficiency, so I force myself to eat a small bag of chips every now and then.

>>20453250
>I mean how many self-sufficient third-worlders do you think are on this forum?

>>20453283
>three times a day
rookie numbers

>>20453181
tucker carlson is pretty mainstream

>>20453723
He literally just last week went on Joe Rogan and admitted that he thought Alex Jones "is right about a lot of stuff".

>>20453730
alex jones is right a few things hes basically limited hangout

>>20453181
>a conspiracy theory website
HeyyyyyyNOWWWWW!!

>>20453248
>6 eggs
>stupid amount
dyel

>>20453212
>>20453347
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Ice dream, Mandrake...Children's ICE CREAM.

>>20453730
He is right about a lot of stuff

>>20453744
Back like a decade ago one of my best childhood friends was arguing about "Russian interference" and I said "oh like the original concept of the CIA?" But this nigga had apparently never heard of Radio America before.

I'm no commie I think we have the best system going right now. But we've been messing with elections since the 50s.

>>20453730
>admitted

>>20453803
You know it...
It's astounding to me sometimes how willfully ignorant people are, but then, I remember that most people don't just "not know" where to look for all the older documentation, they ACTIVELY just don't want to know.
Regurgitation of narrative "facts" serve not only to reinforce said narrative, but also have a calming effect on the subject espousing them, as they require no actual critical thought, and are also part of the subject's Team/Brand affiliation.

>>20453181
How many penises come into contact with your face on a daily basis, would you say?

>>20453178
>>20453207
It's not accidental, people are getting fucking goiters again because they're avoiding commercial salt with added iodine and only using artisanal himalayan bullshit, there are definitely people out there avoiding salt itself to the same extent.

>>20453216
>>20453250
>At this point it's sold as more of a tradition than necessity.
>The key word here is "was."
People don't regularly die of basic infection any more, we can do away with the silly tradition of disinfectant.

>>20453207
>This could be the dumbest headline I've ever seen. Unless you go out of your way to make all your own meals from scratch using whole foods your diet will definitely have way too much salt in it as is.
So that's the intended audience. What about that makes it the dumbest headline you've ever seen? (As if the dumbest one ever would just be a straight forward wrong statement about nutrition, and wouldn't be something pulled out of the vault from the summer of 2020)

>>20453208
> and I'd still laugh him out of the room
No, you'd do one of those obnoxious, pointlessly loud fake laughs with an ear to ear smile and a noticeably uneasy look in your eye, and everyone around you would suddenly feel a little bit less inclined to hangout with you.

>Retards: eat something retarded like 10g of salt per day
>Doctors: eat less salt, retards
>Retards: OH YEAH, WELL WHAT IF I ATE LITERALLY NO SALT, HUH?? HUH???? HUH HOW ABOUT THAT??????
>Doctors: nobody's telling you to do that, retards, you still need salt just not literally like 10 fucking grams of it per day
Why is millennial/zoomer nutrition culture so fucking retarded? It's literally nothing but an endless ping-pong between slopping down garbage and chasing some cultist meme bullshit fad diet. Imagine being filtered this fucking hard by consuming food, what a disgrace.

>>20454498
This. It goes without saying, but this phenomenon is much, much worse in categories like socialization and politics (i.e., they go back and forth between saying you should be a total fucking hermit who has no reliance on others, and saying you should completely bow down to the current mainstream and base your self-image entirely on what turbonormies would think about you.)

>>20453303
>sodium deficient
kek what a meme
vegetables and fruits already have all the sodium you need. we didn't have 24/7 salt licks in nature

>>20453245
Sea weed is the only sea food you'll get iodine from.

>>20454601
Most vegetables and fruits have very small amounts of sodium, and a lot have none at all. You can easily get enough sodium from animal products though.

>>20454601
Vegetables have less nutrients today than they used to.

>>20454190
I definitely think people who buy meme pink salt or otherwise go out of their way to avoid iodine are stupid too.
That's not a "you're not getting enough salt" issue though. Maybe like one or two extreme autists like this anon in the entire US has managed to not get enough salt: >>20453303
Hence why this is the dumbest headline I've ever heard. Sodium is easily the least likely dietary deficiency in the modern US. If you eat packaged food from a grocery store or grab anything from a McDonald's or any other American restaurant there will be like 10 times your daily sodium needs whether you want it or not.
And if you're one of those "but I only use whole foods and make all my meals from scratch types" then I would hope you also know how to cook and add some small amount of salt if you aren't getting any. The kind of person actually doing all that instead of buying packaged grocery store shit is in the extreme minority and will tend to know enough about nutrition to not accidentally give themselves a 0 sodium diet.

>>20454601
Herbivores gravitate towards salt licks specifically because fruits and veggies don't supply their daily salt intakes

>>20453200
It's been a long time since high school bio, but I think it'd do the exact opposite. I think having a high concentration of salt in your color would draw water out of the surrounding tissue through osmosis. I guess you'd get terrible diarrhea and then poop out all the salty colon contents and a lot of water.

>>20453174
Bro I eat pork and beans with half a dozen slices of bread for breakfast I am getting plenty of salt trust me.

>>20454654
>Herbivores gravitate towards salt licks
yes and humans are herbivores as well
>because fruits and veggies don't supply their daily salt intakes
that's not true and if it were, all herbivores would be dead because salt licks are not very common. it's simply a needed nutrient in high concentration, like added sugar. no herbivore "needs" more salt than what is in plants. salt licks are just natural junk food

Anyone who says that humans are herbivores can't be convinced otherwise because they're already ignoring so much evidence that the whole situation is comical.

>>20454646
>>20454498
>>20454190
My stupid mother heard somewhere in her health magazines and radio programs in the 80s that salt is bad for you, period, and I grew up eating 100% salt free home cooked meals monday to saturday, we had pizza or chinese food on sundays.
Fast forward to late teen years, I start feeling dizzy frequently, doctors tell me I have low blood pressure but nothing to worry about since it's "stable" and "must be my baseline" and it's not until years later when my grandfather's doctor is telling him eat less salt because of his high blood pressure that I take over the cooking at the house, add salt to my own meals (discovered vegetables don't have to be boiled until mushy, too) and like magic, blood pressure is now normal.
People really are this stupid and extreme, taking entire groups out of their diets.

>>20454713
>Anyone who says that humans are herbivores
carnivores and omnivores cannot taste salt. find me another meat-eating animal that is addicted to salt at the level of cows, horses, goats, humans, etc. or even recognizes the taste of salt

>>20454706
>humans are herbivores as well
Not sure if trolling. Humans are omnivores, anon. Just look at our teeth.

Like I said, all just a massive cope ignoring mountains of evidence.

>>20454734
>Humans are omnivores, anon. Just look at our teeth.

>>20454734
I told you he couldn't be convinced but you tried and now you're going to have to sit through infograph spam, nice job fuckwit.

>>20454757
>fruits, vegetables & nuts
Some hippie made this I'm guessing? Key parts of our brains would have never developed without a high-protein meat based diet.

>>20454706
>yes and humans are herbivores as well
No, we're omnivores. The fact that there are groups of people who developed dairy cultures and have genes to be able to digest lactose shows we're not herbivores.

Herbivores will seek out salt licks, or eat dirt that's richer in salt and other minerals. Some monkeys have been seen dipping their food into saltwater. A lot of herbivores will also eat meat if it's available, though they don't typically seek it out intentionally.

> salt licks are not very common
>Natural licks are common, and they provide essential elements such as phosphorus and the biometals (sodium, calcium, iron, zinc, and trace elements) required for bone, muscle and other growth in herbivorous mammals such as deer, moose, elephants, hippos, rhinos, giraffes, zebras, wildebeests, tapirs, woodchucks, fox squirrels, mountain goats, porcupines, and frugivorous bats.[1] Such licks are especially important in ecosystems such as tropical rainforests and grasslands with poor general availability of nutrients. Harsh weather exposes salty mineral deposits that draw animals from miles away for a taste of needed nutrients. It is thought that certain fauna can detect calcium in salt licks.

>>20454804
this nigga think herbivores who live on plains lick salt all day lmao. many herbivorous animals live in places where there are literally no salt licks to be found. they will take the opportunity given that sodium is a much needed nutrient for herbivores, but salt itself is not necessary and no herbivore has ever died from not licking salt. they naturally get enough nutrients from, you guessed it, plants

>>20454722
Fat and salt were demonized in America for a long time and many still believe the lies.

>>20453207
hello you are full of shit.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317126117_The_History_of_the_Salt_Wars

>>20453216
>Iodized sat is nowhere near necessary in the modern age.
it is if you don't eat ocean fish. there are tons of places where no one has access to ocean fish.
tibet is one.

>>20453347
yes during covid I got fed up with not being able to get bottle water and started adding tap water to my bottled water because of how vastly different it tastes. now I drink mostly cold tap water. I keep pitchers of it in the fridge. never looking back.

>>20453413
>so I force myself to eat a small bag of chips every now and then.
oh dear god! how do you manage?!

>>20454498
more and more doctors are falling off the no salt bandwagon, because it's bullshit, and always has been. my dad had very high blood pressure. didn't add salt to his food. lost weight, exercised, his blood pressure never went down, and he got vascular dementia, and had small strokes before he died.

>>20454706
thank you mister totally not an animal specialist.

>>20454814
when herbivores find salt mineral deposits they will regularly return to them because they need more salt than they get from plants. any excess gets pissed out as in all animals.

>>20453181
Most conspiracy theories are true though

>>20453216
It's not a thing anymore because we ionize salt you fucking retard.

>>20453181
I'm pretty sure Tucker Carlson is a person, not a website

fucking christ everytime i come to ck i get annoyed at the people who have never read a scientific paper in their life, nevertheless have studied the shit they spout

>>20455658
You are not very smart, neverthelessever.

>>20454620
That is simply fucking wrong, you walking dickholster.

>>20454814
>and no herbivore has ever died from not licking salt.
Okay, but I'm not sure why you're setting that as the standard for salt intake. Even the OP mentions not getting enough salt only causing stress. For most herbivores, it seems like they need more salt than they can get from plants alone for ideal health. You're saying it's junk food for animals and humans are herbivores and all these things that just aren't true.

>>20453174
My dad died from using way too much salt with all of his meals and had heart issues from his habits
I will continue to use a reasonable amount of salt and no more thank you

>have a medical condition that requires me to consume a lot more salt
lmao

>>20455749
see
>>20455341

>>20455749
>My dad died from using way too much salt

>>20456059
On his death certificate it lists cause of death as "too much salt."

>>20456066
post picture of death certificate. because that's bullshit.

>>20455735
>humans are herbivores
did you miss the part where ONLY HERBIVORES CAN TASTE SALT. the only animals you'll ever find ever licking or seeking out salt are herbivores. that includes humans! humans are herbivores, though not the grass-eating type; rather fruit eating

>>20453174
Nooo salt is bad for us, the people telling us to eat 11 servings of grains a day said so!!!

>>20456137
we evolved from omnivores to carnivores. there was no evolutionary pressure to lose salt taste

>>20456137
Carnivores get their sodium from eating animals. They don't need to seek it out because they ingest sodium every time they eat other animals.

>>20453181
Yes. It tries to make a name for being "bearish" about everything. As you can see the common advice of lowering sodium intake might be ruining your health!

>>20453174
Drink enough water and you don't even need to care about this shit in the first place.

>>20456137
Genetic changes to digest lactose past childhood in cultures that raised dairy animals shows we're not herbivores and that animal products are an important part of our diets.

>>20455322
Do you at least filter it? Or are you stupid?

>>20456137
>did you miss the part where MAMMALS DONT LAY EGGS

>>20453207
It's easier than you'd think to have a diet with next to no salt and if you do a lot of exercise or are just sweaty, you can lose a lot of what little you have. People don't realise they're not getting enough sodium until someone points out that it's the reason they're getting cramp so much.