/ck/ - Food & Cooking

can we shut the fuck up about italy for a few days

>>20250644
No, actually, we can't. Italian cuisine needs to stop pushing peasant slop as fine dining.

>>20250641
eh looks decent tubey öneste

>>20250641
looks like dumplins, which means it must be tasty.

Tomatos are from the new world too.

Anything with tomato or tomato sauce is recent. Not traditional italian.

China lost most of its traditional foods in the communist takeover.
It was illegal to make anything except a government stew for many years and most modern chinese food is a reinvention of what ild things probably were, since what they were actually was often lost.
So what marco polo found was forgotten by the chinese too.

>>20250641
looks good, no? What's the issue

>>20250839
boilt dough and garum is probably a decent upbringing

>>20250839
What's the government stew? I haven't heard of that.

Could they just seek out old cookbooks? Like see if any Chinese Americans have some old book from their great grandparents from before the revolution. Chinese people brought their cuisine over here and changed it to fit the American palate so they might still have the old recipes stashed away somewhere. Like my mom had a Fanny Farmer cookbook from I think about 1900.

>>20250641
would try

>>20250641
Wow we need two of the exact same threads about something we already all know about it but underage anon thinks is soo great that 2 threads need to talk about pre-tomato pasta. NPC behavior.

>>20250839
>China lost most of its traditional foods in the communist takeover
name ONE

>>20251103
>name the things whos existence were lost to time
I assume some kind of handler spends most of their day wiping up drool you constantly dribble onto yourself, please tell her to take away your internet access

>>20251115
if you honestly think popular chinese recipes somehow died off in the brains of 500 million chinese then you are a literal literal retard who needs to suicide

>>20251068
No European went to America before the fifteenth century. This is different

>>20251210
If you honestly think that 80 years of genocide, starvation, food scarcity, book burning, history burning, culture burning, and general communist revision of a country can happen and they don’t lose a single recipe along the way you are literal literal brain dead retarded

>>20250839
>>20251299
> moves goalpost from "they lost most of their recipes" to "they lost at least 1 (one)"
NTA but you are a stupid nigger

>>20251299
>80 years of genocide, starvation, food scarcity, book burning, history burning, culture burning
You mean 1800 years. Those slopes have been slaughtering each other for thousands of years

>Siege of Suiyang

>When the inhabitants of the besieged city ran out of provisions, they started to eat first the horses and then "the aged, children and women". In their biographies of Zhang Xun, the Old and New Book of Tang (finished between 945 and 1060) – the primary official dynastic histories covering the Tang period – estimate that about half of the original population of 60,000 people (including the troops) were eaten. When the city finally fell, "there were only 400 survivors" – less than one percent of the original population.[2]

Also, the story about Marco Polo bringing pasta to Italy is a myth.

>>20250641
Would eat

>>20250644
>>20251068
Shut the FUCK up zoomie

>>20250644
SAAR WE TALK ABOUT INDIA SAAR

>>20250641
Looks kinda good honestly, would try. Seems like it soaks up sauce better than noodles.

>>20251637
where would people from third world shitholes like america be without india to make them feel better

>>20250839
What's the government stew? I haven't heard of that.

Could they just seek out old cookbooks? Like see if any Chinese Americans have some old book from their great grandparents from before the revolution. Chinese people brought their cuisine over here and changed it to fit the American palate so they might still have the old recipes stashed away somewhere. Like my mom had a Fanny Farmer cookbook from I think about >>20251293
Vikings got to Newfoundland in the 11th century

>>20250839
>China lost most of its traditional foods in the communist takeover.
>It was illegal to make anything except a government stew for many years
completely made up polschizo nonsense

>>20251819
And they also sailed around Florida and went up the Mississippi I think, I remember something about finding burial mounds
They also brought Norwegian forest cats with them they are Maine coons

>>20251843
Vikings never made it further south than newfoundland in canada

>>20250839
There are surviving cookbooks from the Ming Dynasty.

i listening to a podcast last night and learn that pasta was only served spcecial occasions, like ziti for instance only serve at weddings! pasta was only for rich people until the pasta machine invented. then suddenly lots of peasants were eating pasta on the streets with their hands :O the pasta was served with mountains of cheese. wow

>>20250839
very true!

>>20250641
nooders

>>20250806
It's all still better than your food thou so why not

>>20250839
>recent
The New World was conquered half a millenia ago you dumbass

>>20250644
Allright let's talk about Jewish cuisine instead

>>20251837
Sounds more like the schizo shit someone who bursts into every thread to whine about /pol/ would say imo

>>20252911
:0 wow indeed
^ that’s my mouth before I stick the pasta in!! haha

>>20253626
It wasn't, and Italy is basically a 20th-century nation

I really do want to try some pasta like that. Where it's the big foldy pillowy single sheet of pasta tossed in pesto or whatever

>>20250641
what's the problem? looks good

>>20250641
the fuck is that mess? Italian food is awful

>>20253629
Cute.

>>20253629
Thats your mouth before i stick my noodle in haha

>>20251760
seated safely in the mind of many a sad europoor

>>20252911
:O! Kill yourself! XD

>>20250839
The Chinese government couldn't even force people to go through with the one child policy. There is no way they stopped a bunch of farmers from cooking.

>>20254191
Idunno anon, they're a pretty stupid people

>>20253629

>>20254191
>There is no way they stopped a bunch of farmers from cooking
Maybe that's how the tradition of eating literally anything that moves came about. Like baby birds from the nest, rats, seasoning river stones, etc

>>20250839
>China lost most of its traditional foods in the communist takeover.
They still have dogs and rats in China.

>>20253622
Seethe harder Mario

>>20250641
wrong Zhang

>>20251618
Interesting, but this is a food board. Where are the fucking recipes, bitch? You're not gonna cook up 30k people and not create at least a couple good dishes.

>>20250839
>Tomatos are from the new world too.
So what?
>burgoid retard thinks Italian cuisine consists only of sketti&ketchup and pizza

>>20254191

>There is no way they stopped a bunch of farmers from cooking

bruh they literally starved 70 million people to death

>>20254191
Idiot.

>The Great Chinese Famine (Chinese: 三年大饥荒; lit. 'three years of great famine') was a famine that occurred between 1959 and 1961 in the People's Republic of China (PRC).[2][3][4][5][6] Some scholars have also included the years 1958 or 1962.[7][8][9][10] It is widely regarded as the deadliest famine and one of the greatest man-made disasters in human history, with an estimated death toll due to starvation that ranges in the tens of millions (15 to 55 million).

>The major contributing factors in the famine were the policies of the Great Leap Forward (1958 to 1962) and people's communes, launched by Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party Mao Zedong, such as inefficient distribution of food within the nation's planned economy; requiring the use of poor agricultural techniques; the Four Pests campaign that reduced sparrow populations (which disrupted the ecosystem); over-reporting of grain production; and ordering millions of farmers to switch to iron and steel production.[4][6][8][15][17][18] During the Seven Thousand Cadres Conference in early 1962, Liu Shaoqi, then President of China, formally attributed 30% of the famine to natural disasters and 70% to man-made errors

>>20253633
Like this. From The Factory Kitchen in Los Angeles.

>>20250644
Excuse me anon but I've been to Italy so I must speak about it at every possible opportunity

>>20250806
all cousines are "peasant slop", at least in nations that have history and real food (not like the US)

>>20256666
>>20256687
A famine only increases the spread of cooking knowledge as food is all anyone thinks about in a famine. Any type of knowledge and skill used to squeeze out food from the environment will be of utmost interest.
What erodes the knowledge of cooking is -ironically- an overabundance of convenient meals that are also addictive. I.e. what is common in America.