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>> No.20121550

>>20121546
I’m drinking myself to sleep on Evan Willam’s tonight. Be a man

>> No.20121575

>>20121546
The other thread is still active, check the fucking catalog

>> No.20121595
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>>20121550
Based, I've done that plenty of times.
>>20121575
Cram it.

>> No.20121613

>>20121575
It reached the bump limit, that makes it acceptable to start a new one.

>> No.20121644

>>20121546
pre royal warrant ?

>> No.20121682

is scotch better than whiskey?

>> No.20121700

>>20121682
Scotch is whisky

>> No.20121712

>>20121550
The cashier asked for my id, which I did not have because I left my wallet at home.
I told them I will pay with my with my tap to pay on my phone.
They told me no
I looked around the store, which was empty, and I stood a foot taller than this pajeet man, who insisted I show him my id, and told him calmly that I will pay for my booze or I will walk out of here, without paying and he can call the police for a $14 bottle of liquor and I’ll be home before they even answer the call.
I told him it was his choice.

>> No.20121740

>>20121712
what happened?

>> No.20121755

>>20121740
The charade of society slipped for a brief moment

>> No.20121774

>>20121712
PEOPLE WHO ANNOY YOU

>> No.20121780

>>20121774
Black people don’t drink bourbon.
>inb4
Don’t care

>> No.20121866
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How good is this?

>> No.20122116

>>20121780
Whiskey is rare for them, they prefer rum and brandy. The only one I can think of who drank whiskey was Charles Mingus

>> No.20122243
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20122243

Does anyone else worry that their whiskey drinking hobby has turned into the beginning of alcoholism?

>> No.20122257

>>20122243
No. I have one dram once every few days.

>> No.20122399

>>20121755
>>20121712
holy annoying fucking christ no more booze for you

>> No.20122600

>>20122243
Kinda the opposite, I buy expensive scotch since I want to taste and enjoy them slowly so that puts a mental block on just downing a lot to get drunk

However if I buy a bottle of gin then it goes down fast with tonic

>> No.20122704

>>20122243
I drink what I collect and i only buy something worth drinking.

>> No.20122814

>>20121866
Much better than Famous Grouse

>> No.20122827
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>>20121546
I know a guy that accidentally bought a bottle of that, paid for it before he realized the price.
Honestly i wish i made mistakes that good, when i accidentally bought the wrong bottle i wound up with picrel and it was awful so bad it temporarily cured my alcoholism

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>>20121546
I luv me some 'phroaig.
I wonder how much of Scotland I'd have owned if I ever bothered redeeming those little vouchers for like a square foot or whatever it was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouGLEtapOX8

>> No.20122863

>>20122814
Had Famous Grouse for the first time over the summer and holy shit was it bad.

>> No.20122872

>>20122863
Yeah it's awful. Naked Grouse is good, though.

>> No.20123027

>>20122243
No. Despite having way too many bottles, I have 0-4 drinks per week on average.

I like the taste of alcohol but I hate being drunk. It's a self-limiting combination.

>> No.20123303

>>20122863
FG is good for the mixer but not on its own

>> No.20123314

Ay dog we heard u like to smoke cigarettes and drink whiskey so we put cigarettes inside ur whiskey

>> No.20123318

>>20122243
no cause I only buy bottles at a price point that I couldn't afford if I was planning to get drunk regularly on them. if you're starting to look for the most passable bottles under a certain price so you can drink more, that might be a sign you are developing a problem.

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>>20123314

>> No.20123414

>>20122243
>worry
>turned into
>beginning
nope

>> No.20124064

>>20122116
ONE SCOTCH
ONE BOURBON
AND ONE BEEEEEEER

>> No.20124436

>>20123303
Yeah I drank it neat because we ran out of whatever else we were drinking, wouldn't recommend.

>> No.20124463

>>20120954
alright lil buddy here's what my bar is stocked with.
i'm not really much of a cocktail fag either, just picked up a few extra things to cover the bare minimum of IBA cocktails (i'm an autist that likes standardization- if your favorite cocktail isn't on the list and i don't have the ingredients then i'm putting in a substitution NIGGER). there's a few things like kina lillet, syrups specific to tiki drinks, creme de xyz, italian cordials, etc. which are used in a very select few cocktails where you'll buy the bottle and it'll just sit there forever and/or you'll be obligated to get through it before it spoils in the case of vermouths. In these cases you don't have to go full autistic collectathon unless you have a lot of shelf space or actually have a vibrant social life. And don't forget this is /ck/- improvise. Make your own syrups, blend your own spirits (i.e. I don't have grand marinier because on the off chance someone requests a cocktail with it I could just combine triple sec and brandy as a substitute).
The main thing you'll get caught off guard with is not having citrus fruits on hand. Not having citrus locks you out of a shitload of cocktails. This is all coming from someone who's not very into cocktails so I'm sure a true pretentious sperg aficionado can come through talk some shit cause i've run out of effort on this post
* = imo not generally necessary for (IBA) cocktails but good to have

Whiskey (bourbon, rye, unpeated scotch or irish, islay scotch*, 100% wheat whiskey*)
Gin, Vodka, Herbal Cordials (absinthe, chartreuse*, genepy*, pastis*, ouzo*, etc.)
Rum (light/dark, cachaca*, agricole*)
Bitters type stuff (amaro*, triple sec, campari, aperol*, suze*, etc.)
Applejack/calvados*
Tequila (blanco, reposdao, anejo*), Mezcal*
Brandies (cognac/armagnac, maraschino, slivovitz*, schnapps*, pisco*, grappa*)
sweet & dry vermouths, syrups (i'd make my own simple and fruit syrups, but some of those tiki syrups are annoying enough that i'd just buy)

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Thoughts on the first American "single grain" whisky?

>> No.20124573

>>20122243
With alcoholism you rapidly spiral into pure vodka or everclear for your hit. If your're really particular you'll go for the local spirit.

>> No.20124593

>>20124488
> $150/bottle
> from a relatively unknown distiller
> It's "light whisky"

That's gonna be a no from me dawg.

>> No.20124611

>>20124488
>first American "single grain" whisky
>Established 2018

>> No.20124621

>>20124611
That's the company's established date.

This is their first "single grain whisky" and the first ever "single grain whisky" released in the US, as legally in the US they're "light whiskey", but they managed to get the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade (TTB) to sign off on their using "Single grain" on the bottle despite them having rules that require this type of whisky to be called "Light whisky". In europe though it's called "Single grain whisky" and is used as a base in a lot of blended scotch and whisky. This is the first "single grain whisky" released from a US distiller.

But yea, there is a whole video on it they released today about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZHDIYNerLg

>> No.20124661

>>20124573
this
only genuine richfags will be alcoholics whose primary booze is whiskey. inevitably any other hardcore alcoholic eventually falls into cheap vodka

>> No.20124662

>>20124621
tl;dr American laws are biased towards Bourbon and corn-blended slop?

>> No.20124668

>>20124064
That's George Thorogood, he wasn't black

>> No.20124693

Can somebody delimit the various tasting profiles of the main types of scotch whisky from Islay to Highland and everything in between (wtf is Speyside? I had Talisker and it was good af). I only really know and appreciate Islays. Don't get highland whisky. Am I a pleb?

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>I had Talisker and it was good af

>> No.20124713

>>20124662
Yes

>> No.20124823

>>20124573
I don't get the appeal of Everclear on its own, I can only ever envision it being used for mixing or making liqueurs like VOV and Limoncello

>> No.20124843

>>20124823
That's exactly the point of it.

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>>20124693

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>>20124863

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>>20124871

>> No.20124884

>>20124693
>islay
peatbombs. liquid smoke. some of the more northern distillers are lighter and mossier.

>highland
the majority of scotch whisky production. too many distillers to have a particular regional style, will be down to individual distiller. you have to start looking at things like is this a sherry cask whisky etc.
>speyside
highland but the majority of highland distillers are in this smaller area so they made their own region for marketing purposes.
>lowland
basically extinct, but tends to be lighter and fruitier. similar to irish whisky, or even brandy imho.

>> No.20124902

I like my women how I like my whiskey.
10 years old and with a line of coke.

>> No.20125022

>>20124863
Whose bright idea was it to include some of the Lowlands in the Highlands region?

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I'm not much of a bourbon drinker but is this supposed to taste like fruit punch?

>> No.20125403

Anyone have any recs for a super brine forward scotch?

>> No.20125463

>>20121546
I'm a gin/bourbon/scotch (peaty) kinda guy. Been balls deep in the smokey stuff lately, picked up some 1792 Small Batch last night as a little treat since I haven't had any bourbon lately. I'll say, for a $30 bottle, it's some fantastic stuff. I had to tell myself not to grab a bottle of Old Grandad bottled in Bond this afternoon, I need to put up a shelf to get my bottle collection up off of my desk, it started as a few good drinkers, now it's cluttered.

>> No.20125734

>>20121546
What region of whiskey would be a good start for a rum guy?

>> No.20125999
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good morning, fellow larpers

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>>20125999
>not a Glencairn
>blended scotch

>> No.20126333

>>20125999
Mexico already has its own whiskies
>>20126210
Make a thread for that one brand if you want to only discuss that one brand, like /p/ does

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>>20126333
>thinks Glencairn is a whisky
Thanks for the laugh, laddie.

>> No.20126361

>>20126333
He's talking about the glass, a glencairn glass is a traditional whisky glass.

>> No.20126662

>>20124902
How based can one man be?

>> No.20126689

>>20121712
Wow that's exactly what a cop would say. I hope he told you to get the fuck out and banned your dumb ass. Bring your God damn wallet with you when you leave this house! This was all your fault!

>> No.20126722

>>20123323
were these fags dipping tendies in their sauce?

>> No.20126754

>>20124863
>>20124871
>>20124884
Thank you! What's a good Highland Whisky for an Islay lover? I don't want a peatbomb or Highland version of Islay. What I mean is I want something that will make me appreciate Highland whiskies for what they are. I had a Glenlivet 12 year that was really good I think.
>>20124712
No thank you!

>> No.20126815

>>20124593
>>20124611
They straight up say on their site that it's distilled by MGP. What Crowded Barrel did was to take old MGP light whiskey (not sure how much was aged in Indiana and how much was aged in Texas) and finish it in fun barrels: armagnac and chardonnay. Sounds like they're trying to get distillers to move from calling things "light whiskey" to "single grain", ergo the name "McGimmick".

Crowded Barrel is a pretty young distillery, so while they (and their buddies at Andalusia) do some distilling, they do a lot of blending and finishing right now. I've bought some of their stuff and I enjoy it, but a $150 price point is gonna be a no from me, dawg.

>> No.20127329

>>20126815
For 150 I'd rather get a Redbreast 15

>> No.20127351

>>20124488
>McGimmick
LOLOLOL

>> No.20127367
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>>20127329
or spend $35 more for 3 bottles of redbreast 12.

Or save a bit and just get 2 bottles.

>> No.20127540

>>20121866
It relies on a gimmick (the box) and is therefore bad by default. This is true of all alcohol.

>> No.20127560

best entry level scotch?

>> No.20127574

>>20127560
glenmorangie
auchentoshan
glendronach

>> No.20127587

>>20127574
they dont have those + too expensive

what about these?

MacRoys Finest
Clan MacGregor
Lauder's
Loch Avon
King Robert II

>> No.20127591

>>20127587
if they don't have glenmorangie then they don't have scotch.

>> No.20127613

>>20127587
>King Robert II
This is the only one even worth looking at, and it's not really amazing by any stretch.

The rest are dogshit.

>> No.20127614

>>20127560
Glenmorangie 10 is great, won't break the bank, and it's widely available.

>> No.20127624

>>20124488
>Crowded Barrel
nuke Austin

>> No.20127647

>>20127614
404: Flavor Not Found

>> No.20127653

>>20127647
being a prick really gets you off huh?

>> No.20127661

>>20127647
I'm sorry that you have damaged taste buds

>> No.20127693

>Moved to West Virginia in mid-2022.
>All whiskey is 1.5-3x the price that it was back in Florida.

Help. Send booze.

>> No.20127699

>>20127693

Specifically, please send Aerstone Land Cask. Tastes like Laphroaig, but it's $30 vs. $50.

>> No.20127703

>>20127699
>$50
$60 here

>> No.20127797

>>20124712
What's wrong with Talisker?

>> No.20127809

>>20122243
the opposite for me, really great whiskey I want to savor and often it takes longer to finish than I would for a beer, often 30 minutes

I can't imagine being the kind of person who buys 3 year old scotch to chug with ginger beer though, that's where most alcoholics live

>> No.20127816

>>20127797
it's honestly the worst value in the diageo portfolio
best is clynelish 14

>> No.20127827

>>20127816
So it's just overpriced?

>> No.20127871

>>20127827
it's abrasive and expensive, some people go for the overt peat and acid character because it's distinct
it wouldn't be good even if it were appropriately priced

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>>20121546
I want to try Laphroaig so bad but I'm a grad student poorfag and they don't sell it in nips

>> No.20128041

>>20127367
Cask strength 12 is in between the price of the 12 and 15

>> No.20128044

>>20127827
>>20127797
he's just incredibly outspoken against any Diageo product and will accuse you of being a Diageo shill if you dare mention more than 1 or 2 of their products in the same post.

Also just saying you happen to like certain Diageo products also makes you a Diageo shill.

Especially if it's johnnie walker.

>> No.20128050

>>20127574
Are you finished sneezing and ready to speak in English?

>> No.20128051
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>>20128041
I've been waiting months

>> No.20128062

>>20128051
>If it shows up in one of their physical stores and they never updated their online catalog so help me fucking God

>> No.20128073

>>20128062
well they order for the whole county at once, so theoretically it should update when they get a new shipment in, and I go in every few weeks for highly allocated sales and to check what is in the store closest to me and I check just in case.

They've got the 12/15 and the Tawny Port cask edition, but no regular Cask Strength, at least not for the last ~6 months I have been on the lookout for it. And the Tawny port cask edition is almost $200 here which is just absurd when it SHOULD be ~$130-160. But I digress.

>> No.20128079

>>20128050
>angered and confused by scots gaelic in the scots whisky thread

here's some english: you're retarded.

>> No.20128091

>>20121712
based schizoid

>> No.20128483

>>20127591
in my experience you're more likely to find glenlivet or glenfiddich than glenmorangie and both are acceptable entry level scotches c

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>he's just incredibly outspoken against any Diageo product and will accuse you of being a Diageo shill if you dare mention more than 1 or 2 of their products in the same post.
>Also just saying you happen to like certain Diageo products also makes you a Diageo shill.
>Especially if it's johnnie walker.

>> No.20128770

>>20128569
>nooo sir you must only drink the illegible small-batch swill produced by my uncle, he's very good man sir

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>>20127560

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>>20124488
>Mellow Corn
>single grain
>copyright 1945

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>tfw liqour gives me a tummy ache in the past few years
i can no longer enjoy it, hurts like hell

>> No.20128857

>>20128789
>b-but but corn is a v-vv-ve-vegetable not a grain!

>> No.20128862

>>20128857
Whiskey is my favorite vegetable.

>> No.20129236

I liked that bit of banter in the wine/beer thread a week or two ago with the one guy yelling at them for making the thread and the rest helping some guy who asked what some good drinks were to get his wife literally piss drunk
Why don't we have fun like that ever, /whisk[aey]/?

>> No.20129239

>>20129236
Whiskey costs too much money so its srs bsns

>> No.20129240

>>20129236
Adalarachananambiyandanunallaperumaanananjundeswarajanikantadhiyamaanageshwaranandishwaradalarachananjundewsaroshitadhiyamaaniauppamadalarasenerrivaananivedhanabhinandanityanandharmaaalingamahendradhiyamaananjundewsaranamitabhinavanamberumanambiyandaneelmegamooppananmuthunmeshadhiburvishabhisekabhithasisthajeetungabhadradhiyamaananjundeswarachanandishwarabhisekabhithadalarasenanmuthunmeshadhiyamaanallaperumabhimanyutkarshredhaanaveenachiketanveerachitanayagneshredhaanayaneshareshwarajasekaranadapratithishtaadithyakethudayasooriyanagabhushanarindhamahindraarshimesharshavardhaneeravijayagneshinavanakkiranallaiyanallalaganallannanallappanallarasanallasivanallavanallenanamberumanambiyandanamirthanandinanjappananjayyananjeyananjundananmaarananmoliyananmuganannaneevanerrivaananithilandeepajeetapishwarajupasanabhinandanagulanallasivanagarajanilanithinageshwaran's shilling of Diageo products for 1 rupee per post is why we can't have nice things.

>> No.20129248

>>20125463
>peaty
You want to try Laphroaig 10yo then

>> No.20129263

>>20129240
Shouldn't he be a little patriotic and shill Amrut or Paul John?

>> No.20129273

>>20129239
I'll pretend to be him if I can remember what he said
Hey /ck/ the fruit wines and light beers you chose for me worked well, my wife loved the tasting and drank a lot of everything and was very relaxed and not self conscious by the time we got down to it

However it did seem like it took a while for the buzz to get going
What are some nice "accessible" whiskeys or other liquors that are strong without the taste putting off women, for her to try a few shots of before the next tasting to "loosen up"?

>> No.20129294

got some cragganmore at the clerk's recommendation. i like it.

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>>20121546
Just got this as a gift
Any idea what it might be?

>> No.20129316

>>20129305
looks japanese

>> No.20129390

>>20129294
imagine how much better it would be if it weren't owned by Diageo

>> No.20129484

>>20129390
Meds

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>Meds

>> No.20129662

>>20129305
Green plum bamboo horse. Sounds like you got a flavored meat slurry in that bottle. Enjoy.

>> No.20129663

>>20129248
I was ranting about the bourbon being good.
I do love my Laphroaig 10, and the Lore/Select bottles, I've got Ardbeg 10 and Wee Beastie as well, and Bruichladdich's Classic Laddie and their Port Charlotte.

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This is as cheap as it gets around where I live. How does it compare? Tis bad slop?

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not a fan of whisky but lately I've tasted this and liked it a lot
it's around 30€ a bottle where I live

should I try other ones in the same price range?

>> No.20129796

What do you recommend for a good Frog Juice (French Whiskey)?

>> No.20129808

>>20129795
It's $60-65 US around me. I'd jump on it at $40-45.

Not sure what else is in that price range though since your Laphroaig price is so out of whack to what I pay.

>> No.20129812

>>20129796
Brenne French Single Malt was okay for the price if you're a fan of oak.

>> No.20129837

>>20129812
It's odd that I've never heard anyone here discuss Armorik

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>>20129837
Not available locally for me

>> No.20129897

So many Laphroaig shills

>> No.20129945

>>20129795
Anything Laphroaig is worth it especially if you're sourcing it that cheap. Try Bruichladdich, Ardbeg, Juura.

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>So many Laphroaig shills
>they should be recommending superior whiskies like Talisker™, Lagavulin™ and Johnnie Walker™ instead

>> No.20132319

>>20131040
You genuinely think you're calling out "shills" instead of normal people who just happen to like those brands huh?

Honestly I'm impressed you're this dedicated to what is obviously just some kind of mental illness.

>> No.20132325

>>20131040
>>20132319
don't get involved in flamewars
just post about whiskey, faggots

>> No.20132335

>>20132325
>don't get involved in flamewars
One hardly has to get involved with this clown, he does it in EVERY one of these threads and pretends like he's actually calling out shills instead of the reality where he's just throwing a tantrum and railing against nonexistent shills (why the fuck would any liquor company pay ANYONE to come shill in this fucking thread instead of reddit/twitter/etc?)
It's just a pointless waste of posts and detracts from ACTUAL whisky discussion as he autistically screeches anytime discussions involve a brand owned by Diageo.
>>20124712
>>20128569
>>20129240
>>20129390
>>20129490
>>20131040

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20132786

Theres just too much good bourbon/whiskey in the 20-40 range to justify getting scotch besides a special occasion.

>> No.20132802

>>20132786
Corn tastes like shit tho

>> No.20132810

>>20132802
Bourbon isn't made solely from corn

>> No.20132823

>>20132810
Maybe not solely, but primarily, US law requires it to be 51% corn or higher.

>> No.20132825

>>20132823
Correct, but the rest of the mashbill has a significant influence on the taste

>> No.20132827

I don't get how anyone can enjoy alcohol.

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>>20132802
>>20132823
It's time anon

>> No.20132832

>>20132831
Based yellow corn enjoyer

>> No.20132995

>>20129787
My personal favorite. Light as a feather, deep as the sea. Freeze it and it goes down like water.

>> No.20133028

Got a bottle of Hibiki NAS from my now ex girlfriend for Christmas. It's a dram I like a lot but never buy for myself anymore because it's become too expensive for what it is, but if I'm drinking it for free you better believe I'm gonna enjoy it

>>20122243
That's the entire reason for cultivating an interest in fine whisky, or wine, or anything that has the bonus benefit of getting you drunk really

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Took 12 shots of this before going to the lasses house last night. Threw up while I was trying to fuck her

>> No.20133324

>>20125380
Good bourbons should have fruit notes present. Cherry is the most common

>> No.20133333

>>20128774
>I smoke bandaids
Kek, I love laphroaig

>> No.20133337

>>20132786
I agree even though I prefer scotch, too many hitters at a good price in bourbon

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>>20133333
checked

>> No.20133524

>>20128774
Lagavulin 16 is one of the best I've had and the best on that chart. Never seen Parks & Rec

>> No.20133835

>>20124668
His version is a cover dumbass

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only in America can you murder two people then slap your name on some bottom shelf whiskey. never drinking this shit

>> No.20133846

>>20133842
we may all be fat stupid and gross, but we shure do love our whiskey and chili.

>> No.20133935

>>20132827
The most common reason is that it gets you intoxicated.
Another less common but still legitimate reason is that the fermentation and distillation processes create unique flavors in drinks that you can't get elsewhere, so alcoholic beverages can have some really unique and pleasant tastes. Red wines taste completely different from any juices, the closest thing to a beer is bread, and liquors are incredibly nuanced.

In that respect, alcohol is just the liquid version of leavened bread.

>> No.20133953

>>20133524
I had a bottle once and it smelled like rancid socks, but it was very tasty

>> No.20134329

>>20132786
There's just Old Grand-Dad 114 and a bunch of stuff that's inferior.

>> No.20134612

>>20134329
>Old Grand-Dad 114
meh

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>>Old Grand-Dad 114
>meh

>> No.20134917

>>20134900
NTA, it objectively is pretty meh though, and downright bad compared to anything ACTUALLY good.

It's fine for the price, but that's not saying much considering its price.

>> No.20134955

>>20134917
You're objectively pretty meh.

>> No.20136268

Is Hibiki Harmony worth it if I can get it for 69 euroshekels? I want to try a japanese whisky again after mostly having heavily peated scotches recently (Ardbeg 10, Caol Ila 12, Kilchoman Sanaig). I've already had Toki (good value for money, but a bit boring), Kurayoshi (uremarkable) and Yamazaki 12 (good, but overpriced as hell).
>inb4 weebsky is shit

>> No.20136291

>>20136268
I mean, it's overpriced compared to 5+ years ago, but that's an okay price today.

>> No.20136830

>>20134329
Its good but id take these over it in the 20-40 range

>Russel's Reserve 10 yr
>Makers Mark 46
>Makers Mark Cask Strength
>Woodford Reserve
>Elijah Craig
>Knob Creek 9 yrs
>Wild Turkey 101
>Old Forrester 100

>> No.20137083

>>20134329
I’m about half way through my bottle of OGD114 and while it’s good and worth its price I don’t think it’s a slam dunk for the price point. When it comes to Beam I’d rather go with KC9 and for lower cost cask strength I’d go with makers mark.

>> No.20137184

>>20136268
I you think Yamazaki is good but overpriced I think you'll like Kanekou

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>>20121546
How often do you fags black out? I normally only ever drink on weekends but when I go out to bars I always wind up drinking way more than I normally would, getting sucked into the soul of the city, wandering and ultimately blacking out. Waking up not knowing what happened is terrifying.

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No matter how many whiskies I try I always come back to you. If only you weren't so damn tall.

>> No.20137890

>>20133935
>it gets you intoxicated
That's one of the reasons why I hate it. Makes me less aware of surroundings and myself.
I must admit, I don't hate it completely, some wines and beers are OK in moderation. But specifically spirits. I don't get them. Alcohol completely overwhelms any flavours if they even have any.

>> No.20137945

>>20137890
>But specifically spirits. I don't get them. Alcohol completely overwhelms any flavours if they even have any
They're a bit of an acquired taste, in that you have to learn to sift through the taste of alcohol. However, once you do that they can be great. I find that the trick is generally in smelling it; if you can pick up flavors in the smell, you'll start identifying them on the tongue.
If you try to get started, I'd recommend you try any spirit under 80 proof (so 40% ABV), whether a decent liqueur, a bourbon, or a sipping rum (preferably with lime).

Or don't. Spirits are the hardest beverage to drink responsibly,

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>>20137083
>wheated bourbon

>> No.20138219

>>20137945
>Spirits are the hardest beverage to drink responsibly
I mean, if you're doing whisky specifically wrong, sure.
The right way to do whisky is taking such tiny sips that it takes you an hour or two to get through a single dram.

>> No.20138321

>>20137873
Is this brand by the same fellows who used to make Rough Stock (Montana)?

I used to drink that stuff by the gallon it was so good.

>> No.20139555

>>20137890
It's an acquired taste, over time your tongue becomes less sensitive to the burn from the alcohol and you unlock all these incredible subtle flavors.

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Interesting how the smoke in the Ardbeg10 tastes so different than the smoke of the Laphroaig10. I just got into Scotch recently and after I finished my first bottle Laphroaig, I chose an Ardbeg next and I'm really impressed with that one. Laphroaigs smoke tastes like old hospital floor disinfect (which was gone the third day after opening) while Ardbegs is more like that of a campfire.

>> No.20140952

>>20138219
>The right way to do whisky is taking such tiny sips that it takes you an hour or two to get through a single dram.
That's exactly why it's harder to drink responsibly. You can pace a beer or wine much easier and take more substantial sips each time.

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Time for a little blind taste test, cheers!

>> No.20141088

>>20141070
>glen
imaginative.

>> No.20141095

>>20141070
Glengoyne btfo the others no contest

>> No.20141114

>>20141095
I will say the other two are much harder to tell apart

>> No.20141117

>>20121546
that shit literally tastes like rotting wood that's infested with maggots and has poisionous mushrooms sprouting from it
you just drink it because thats what others do and you want to fit in
absolute shite for posers

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>>20141114
43% > 40%

Glengoyne also has a long fermentation. Even the 10 yr would win against supermarket swill. you should get some quality glassware though, especially if you plan to continue down the smell and taste trail.

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>>20141469
Haven't tried the 10, I like the 12 though, this is my first time trying it. I'm really trying to get into the Glenlivet 12, especially because I liked the 14 that's finished in cognac casks, but I'm not enjoying that much. The Glenfiddich 12 just seems better all around. I have better glassware but sometimes I don't care, these aren't super expensive bottles.

>> No.20141628

>>20127896
grad student here
what the fuck else do you spend your money on if not alcohol

>> No.20141629

>>20141530
best Glenlivet in the core range right now is the Illicit Still and it should be cheaper than the 14. if you might try the Caribbean Reserve as well.

>> No.20141681

>>20141117
sounds like someone got filtered, lmao

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>>20141117
>literally tastes like rotting wood that's infested with maggots and has poisionous mushrooms sprouting from it

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why is it that I can spend over a hundred bucks on whiskey but stingy in everything else?

>> No.20142150

>>20141906
white man's creation premium

>> No.20142516

>>20137890
>That's one of the reasons why I hate it. Makes me less aware of surroundings and myself.
I’ve known several people who’ve said this and I’ve never understood it. Like can’t you just let your guard down and hang out with friends? Your life isn’t a fucking combat scenario 24/7

>> No.20142521

>>20141117
islay aint shit and youre a fucking pussy
i’ll admit when i had my first islay i had never even heard of the style and was confused. years went by before i encountered another islay and remembered that first bottle fondly. i heard le frog was LE BANDAID IODINE HOSPTIAL BURNT RUBBER SO GNARLY OVER 9000000000 and it’s just a fucking whiskey get a grip people
i’ll admit it’s funky but to say everyone is pretending to put hair on their chest like it’s feat makes me think youre the biggest filtered faggot ive ever seen

>> No.20142537

>>20142521
I think he's correct that there are retards who think of Islay stuff as the "hardcore" scotch and specifically drink it for that reason.

>> No.20142573

>>20142537
i mean there is a childish strain of male faggotry of trying to peacock masculinity by liking “gnarly” foods: octopus tentacles, organ meats, le blue rare steak. playground tier stuff like trying to gross out girls. plus black coffee, hot sauce, IPA arms race, etc. some of those aren’t my cup of tea, some are, but to suggest that it’s ALL hype and we exist in some peer pressure bubble where insecure weak willed pussies have to “pretend” to like a fucking food item even as an anon is insane

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Bourbonƒag here.

My cutoff price for spearts is around the $60-$80 mark.

At this price, what do youse guys recommend. Woodford or Blantons?

>> No.20142592

>>20142582

Blantons because it's far harder to find unless you're in KY

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>>20142592
Blanton's got absolutely rorted nearly to death by covid™. Last time I saw Blanton's on Australian shelves was 2019 and never again. Poor fucking bastards.

>> No.20142598

>>20142582
Blanton's is $150+ where I live

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>>20142598
It used to be about AU$75, so in USD that would have been more like $50 but now obviously there are supply/demand issues. Whelp looks like my Blanton's days are over.

>> No.20142603

>>20142582
I've only ever tried one bottle, but people call it 'Blandtons' for a reason it seems.

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>>20142603
but anon, inoffensive ≠ bland.

if you want a "flavourful" h'wisky try some of this turpentine

>> No.20142607

>>20142604
>inoffensive ≠ bland
I'm aware, but I can get much more interesting Scotch for less.

Never tried Dickel, will try a dram if I can find it.

>> No.20142613

>>20142607
†bh Dickels isn't that bad, but it's not smooth. It's a drink that has a time and place, and frankly at least it's a good distillery worth supporting.

https://youtu.be/XKMJPbtkUyg?si=8Goit6YfXkw4ytyA

>> No.20142620

>>20142573
Also the cheap scam whiskey brands that are basically selling Reposado and Anejo Vodka

>> No.20142637

>>20142573
>Octopus, organ meats, steak
>gnarly
Lol, you have to be 18 to post here.

>> No.20142787

>>20142613
>but it's not smooth
flavour > smoothness

don't be a pleb

>> No.20142792

>>20142787
I'm not a pleb I like Dickels I was just sayin is all

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>>20141906
Im the same way. just dont get people who will buy useless expensive stuff then cheap out and get shitty food and drink.

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>>20142582
Knobb Creek 12

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>>20142598
That's wild, it's allocated here, but at least the price is still reasonable.

>> No.20143558

>>20142637
that’s why i put it in scare quotes retard. i brought up octopus cause i ate it last night, organs are good, and blue rare is whatever i prefer medium rare to medium but people like liver king and his crowd definitely dick wave about that stuff

>> No.20144133

>>20143185
does seem to be available in straya but maybe you could send me some :]

>> No.20144297

>>20121595
Le frog drinks laphroaig

>> No.20144387

>>20141114
for me glenlivet has a better nose and a slightly fruitier taste
but I agree it's a pretty minor difference all things considered

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>>20143185
I know they say taste is subjective and all, but this is objectively the best bourbon.

>> No.20144497

>>20144297
>Le Frog
>Not drinking a Breton

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>>20133842
It's named after Rittenhouse Square. Notice how the logo has a square on it.
It also sucks by the way, or maybe i just hate rye

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Drinking some Dillon's tonight, wish my local stores offered more 100% rye options.

>> No.20145081

>>20142582
Small Batch 1972. Anything Dickel. Hell, Jim Beam BIB is a killer for how cheap it is (~15-20). Four roses small batch. Elijah Craig. Eagle Rare.

>> No.20145089

>>20141530
Glenfiddich 12 in their Amontillado Sherry Cask is leagues above their regular 12, in my opionion. Bruichladdich Classic Laddie is a top tier for a non peated.

As for glassware, I'll say that a proper snifter glass makes a world of difference even with cheap stuff. I'm a fan of the Final Touch crystal glasses over the Glencairn.

>> No.20145099

>>20144388
I have had a bottle of that sitting on my shelf for a few months now. I've just been drinking Buffalo Trace instead because I don't wanna "waste it" which is stupid but you know.

>> No.20145100

>>20121712
>told him calmly that I will pay for my booze or I will walk out of here, without paying and he can call the police for a $14 bottle of liquor and I’ll be home before they even answer the call.
>So he left me pay with my tap to pay on my phone
>Obviously this gave him my name and bank information
>Then he called the police and told them I'd threatened to commit a misdemeanor if he didn't commit a crime by selling to me without an ID.

>> No.20145138

>>20129795
you should like ardbeg 10 yr, it's in the next price bracket but I always have a bottle on my shelf now

>> No.20145163

>>20136830
I'm not a big bourbon drinker but Bulleit and Buffalo Trace are better than a lot of those bourbons on your list and they cost about 30 bucks near me.
I can't stand Makers mark or knob creek and Woodford Reserve is the biggest meme bourbon there is. Knob creek has an awful peanut aftertaste, makers mark is way too sweet and syrupy and Woodford Reserve is very blah for how much bourbon nerds go on about it. Out of what you listed I'd take Wild Turkey 101 that is a good whiskey especially for the price.

>> No.20145167

>>20137873
How much you get this for? My normal drink is Bulleit rye but I'm always up to try something different.

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>>20145397
>tumbler

>> No.20145686

>>20145562
What do you expect? Macallan is the rich pleb's choice.

>> No.20145704

>>20145081
I think I'm probably going to stick with Dickel (most others I cant get in my c'untry). And I'll never risk my money on anything Jim Beam, even if it's meant to be good I just can't risk it.

>> No.20145726

>>20141906
Women/urban youth and shoes
Women with mostly everything
Urban youth women with everything
White retard men with graphics cards and decorative guns
"Content creators" with $5000 cameras and various other setup bullshit
You're a consooooomer 'arry

>> No.20145727

I want to drink today

>> No.20145728

>>20133842
oh nooooo not the pedophiles and rapists who were charging him and drawing their own weapons after repeatedly beating him, what a tragedy

>> No.20145886

>>20145728
yawn

>> No.20145893

>>20145167
$32.99, $25.99 if I drive to the next town where it’s less touristy.

>> No.20145896

>>20145562
Whisky is made for tumblers, period.

>> No.20145938

>>20124463
Vermouth is only good for a couple of months after you open it

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>>20136830
Old Forester is pretty good. Finished a bottle of the 1920 and that was really good. So then I got a bottle of the 1910. Meh. I'm struggling to get thru it. Tastes like s'mores. But if you burned the Marshmello. Like straight up blackened set it on fire. Not so much for me. I'll stick with the regular 100 proof or 1910 versions which are excellent.

Another solid pick is benchmark, they're really all nice and not hyped to fuck so reasonable prices still.

Going thru the michters lineup now, and on the us#1 rn. Good, sold bourbon, I like it. Does all the bourbon things. Their American whiskey is pretty dang good too. I killed a bottle of that in very short order. Very easy drinker, like honey buns. Not exactly complex or novel or outstanding, just a solid easy drinker. Maybe too easy. Michters is probably $20 or so more expensive than it should be tho. You could do much worse.

>> No.20146157

>>20145938
Why is it only sold in fuckhuge bottles, then?
Are there really people who down that stuff straight?

>> No.20146224

>>20145163
Hard disagree on Bulleit but Buffalo Trace is really good, too bad its impossible to find in my area and if you do find it the cost is 40+ dollars.

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>>20146157
>anon isn't martinimaxxing

>> No.20146688

>>20145886
I'm really so sorry it bores you to have it pointed out what an evil piece of shit you are.

>> No.20147093

>>20129305
maybe "plum wine"? it's a liqueur I once had in Japan and the drawing looks kinda like plum

>> No.20147100

>>20147093
Bixby vision translated it as "worried" which seems wrong based on context.

>> No.20147114

About to head to the store for a bottle.

Redbreast 12 unless something is on sale or catches my eye.

>> No.20147128

saw this at my local store. bought it for the meme. it's okay.

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>>20147128
whoops i'm a retard and forgot to attach the image

>> No.20147164

>>20147133
Spooky

>> No.20147171

>>20147133
Does any of the agave flavour remain?

>> No.20147179

>>20147171
there's a hint at the end but honestly if it didn't say it on the bottle i wouldn't have noticed

>> No.20147191

>>20147179
That's what I figured, I can't imagine the agave could stand up well to the whisky.

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>>20147133
One of the clerks at my liquor store saw me in a Metallica concert shirt and tried selling me on their whiskey. I laughed it off and politely declined thinking celebrity booze was beneath me. It can't be that good can it?

>> No.20147263

>>20147258
in my experience celebrity booze isn't terrible but it definitely isn't worth the inflated price they sell it at

>> No.20147267

Picked up 4 roses small batch. Its pretty good for 35 bucks

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>>20147114
>unless something is on sale or catches my eye.
They had nothing interesting on sale so Redbreast it is.

>> No.20147277

>>20147275
Ive never had an Irish, is this stuff any good? I walk by it all the time thinking I should buy it but then I just stick to my regular stuff

>> No.20147284

>>20147277
They're unpeated whiskies usually aged in sherry casks, so they're mostly on the mild and sweet side

>> No.20147291

>>20146157
when it’s time for my bottle to fucking go yes i start drinking it as an aperitif which is why it’s important to get good vermouth if you get to that point

>> No.20147297

>>20147277
RB 12 is great

>> No.20147323

>>20147277
Redbreast and Spot are my go-to for Irish.
Good price/performance generally.

>> No.20147326

>>20147277
imo single malt irish is just scotch for hipsters. there are far more unpeated scotches for sale than there are irish’s, and what’s worse is irish is distilled an extra time. that said tyrconnel only distills twice and at that price point I think it’s going to be a regular purchase for me moving forward. Redbreast is great imo, and I DO like the fact they have unmalted barley in the mash, but I can only pick up that note in red breast. Was unimpressed with green spot, and I don’t think I’m willing to pay for yellow spot- maybe I’ll try a dram eventually at a whiskey bar. I haven’t tried knaphogue, but if I’m unimpressed by it I’ll probably give up on irish as a category since, again, as far as I can tell it’s just scotch for hipsters

>> No.20147375

>>20145896
>>>/r/Scotch

>> No.20147413

>>20147375
wait a second this is just a bunch of porn

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>>20147326
Knappogue is good. heard good things about the 14(IB Bushmills) and for the price(less than $65 after tax) it's not a bad pick, but I'm used to high proof scotch so it seems unimpressive at first. at least it's not rum or bourbon.

>> No.20147653

>>20147375
hey i been doing it the fancing way of using glencairns even the ardbeg tasting glass. And you know what after 5 years im starting to notice its all a bit over the top, would matter if i'm a master blender. So i bought a beatiful tumbler and i drink the stuff in larger quantities now .

>> No.20148290

>>20147326
>just scotch for hipsters.
Who cares as long as it tastes good for a decent price?

>> No.20148324

>>20122600
>taste and enjoy
its just a burning sensation
they have no flavour

>> No.20148334

>>20148324
you are either too young to appreciate, are drinking instead of tasting or have no tastebuds.

>> No.20148692

>>20148324
does vodka taste exactly the same to whiskey to you? the difference is the taste old boy. then you can mentally ignore the burn and taste the flavor beneath, triply so if the liquor is of quality and “smooth”. though many people including myself move back to “rough” stuff because “smooth” is often a euphemism for bland but the roughness should generally come from wood and ethanol and not fusel alcohols

>> No.20148709

>>20121712
>The cashier asked for my id, which I did not have because I left my wallet at home.
you are a fucking child and should be treated like one

>> No.20148735

>>20147653
I'm not a connoisseur or anything, and I have trouble picking out different tastes and smells of whiskey. But I do like smelling it, simply because it smells good, and I feel like I can get a better smell of it if I use a glencairn. Not in the sense of being able to "analyze" it better, but just being easier to get a good whiff of it. That's about the only reason I use one.

>> No.20148797

>>20147653
>i drink the stuff in larger quantities now
dont need a tumbler for that just keep the bottle handy and top off the glencairn regularly

>> No.20149050

>>20147576
I have a Bushmills 10 that I've had about 10 years.

When I bought it I thought I'd like it because I liked Black Bush; how mistaken I was. I really don't like that overt butterscotch note it has.

>> No.20149060

>>20149050
I got a bottle of it about a month ago on sale for like $35. I liked it, tastes like a cinnamon bun.

>> No.20150600

>>20128789
>>Mellow Corn
>>single grain

Sorry, I assumed it was single grain (corn), but the mellow corn website says its only 80%+ corn.

>> No.20150611

>>20150600
You'll notice I didn't even bother replying when you originally posted that because it was just plain wrong I didn't even feel the need to correct you

>> No.20150642

>>20127896
I haven't tried la-frog 10, but I hear its very similar to Ardbeg 10. And A10 is only $50USD for 750ml. If that's still too much, Ardbeg Wee Beastie is very similar to A10, and Wee Beastie is only $40USD for 750ml.

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>>20132786

>> No.20150682

>>20150611
Well, it does have a plus after the 80%, so there is a chance you might get a bottle of 100% corn grain alcohol.

>> No.20150688

>>20150682
That's not really how it works, they're just not being judicisoius enough in their measuring to know if it's 80-81-82-83%.

They know it's somewhere in the low 80%, but beyond that it doesn't really matter.

It wouldn't ever be 90%+ corn as that would drastically alter the flavor profile enough from what it "should" be to be noticeable.

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>>20142582
>At this price, what do youse guys recommend. Woodford or Blantons?

Neither.

>> No.20150710

>>20150688
I didn't say it was a big chance.

>> No.20150721

>>20147258
Nothing blended is ever worth it.

>> No.20150916

>>20150642
>And A10 is only $50USD for 750ml
Around $70 for me

>> No.20152103

>>20128774
If i want something sweeter than Glenlivet but less sweet than Glenfiddich what should i buy

>> No.20152195

>>20125380
Some of the best Russell's Single Barrels will have cherry notes, but I usually get get more baking spice, vanilla, and banana-y vibes from Russell's Reserve SB.

>> No.20152337

>>20150642
>but I hear its very similar to Ardbeg 10
It's not. They're both very smoky but they don't taste like each other. Laphroiag has vegetal, iodine and coastal notes with a slight sweetness. Ardbeg is more campfire smoke and citrus/pineapple.
They're quite different.

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>>20122243
anon.....it was never a hobby to begin with

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>>20150721
>le blended = bad maymay
wow, so sophisticated

>> No.20153282

>>20121546
tried:
- glenmorangie 10 years
- lpahroaig (don't remember the years)
- jhonny walker blue label (es un elixir)

All unimpressive, thinking more and more to sticking to just passport for battle times and black label for fancier times
all that cash doesn't come easy

>> No.20153291

>>20121712
alpha as a motherfuck

>> No.20153292

>>20153282
Blue label is the most boring johnny walker simply because it's designed to be a gift for people who don't drink scotch.

The cheaper green and gold are MUCH better than blue.

>> No.20153298

>>20122243
>once every 6 months
far from that, I do it to celebrate

>> No.20153325

>>20153199
Calling a fact a "maymay" won't stop it from being a fact.

>> No.20153366

>>20153325
Wow, it's almost like it isn't a fact or something, crazy stuff.

>> No.20153413

>>20147258
>blacked whisky
lul

>> No.20153418

>>20121712
I would've pulled out the chainstick we have behind the counter at my liquor store and beat the shit out of you

>> No.20154357

>>20153292
>The cheaper green and gold are MUCH better than blue.
This is accurate.
They're also still shit.
But they're relatively better.

>> No.20155078

I just bought a bottle of wild turkey 101 because of you fucks and for 25 bucks it is respectable. Good job whiskey autists.

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I have the chance to snag picrel for $60. Should I pull the trigger since it hasn't been made since 2018 and ill never find a bottle at this price again?

>> No.20155122

>>20155120
Crown royal is trash

>> No.20155124

>>20155078
WT101 is pretty respectable for its price. Another underdog is Evan Williams 1783 at the same price point.
t. I run a liquor store.

>> No.20155291

>>20155120
If you love Crown Royal, go for it. Canadian whisky isn't that great unless you're using it for mixing though.

>> No.20155443

>>20153418
Kek, same. Come to my state, we not only ask for ID, we scan that shit.

>> No.20155652

>>20147576
How does Knappogue compare to Laphroaig?

>> No.20155658

>>20155120
Do it if you know they're limited, once they're gone they won't be back for a while
Maybe try comparing it to Crown XO

>> No.20155660

>>20153366
Compared to single malt blended tastes like fruit juice with alcohol to me. I'm not even a purist or anything, it's just a different drink.

>> No.20155684

>>20121550
Nice.
Working man's Jack Daniel's.
Tastes better anyway.

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>>20121546
I quite like this stuff
You can certainly smell the pecan, and taste it as well.
If you have a taste for them it's great
Usually runs about $35 down here, but if you come across it I'd say give it a shot

>> No.20155700

>>20155696
How sweet does it taste?

>> No.20155705

>>20155700
Fairly sweet, not overly so imo

>> No.20156114

I first got into whiskey with bourbon. I tried to be hard and only drink 100+ proof stuff and it was okay but I didn't really enjoy it that much. I later moved into scotch and drank stuff with a lower proof and realized I liked that more. Moved back into bourbon recently with lower proof stuff and I'm enjoying bourbon more than I did before. Also realized I don't actually like rye or high-rye bourbons.

>> No.20156153

>>20122243
no because i'm not a complete retard without any self control or awareness
>>20123027
i've always stopped well before i've ever gotten drunk drunk. i mostly felt tired and worse balance after downing two bottles of wine within a few hours. heightened mentalization too which was weird
high inhibition methinks
/incelvolcel

>> No.20156595

>>20155660
Not all blends have grain whisky in them. A blend of only single malts can be better in the sum than their individuals.

>> No.20156974

>>20155660
You're only thinking of cheap blends, IE a cheap base with a single malt or two on top.

Good blends can be made up of a lot of fantastic single malts that can be equal to or greater than they were on their own.

>> No.20157453

>>20152337
>>but I hear its very similar to Ardbeg 10
>It's not.

Duly noted.

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>>20156114
You just drinking the wrong whiskies.