/ck/ - Food & Cooking

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Anyone else who posts after me is getting my sloppy seconds, my leftovers.
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Its over, you might as well just go post on reddit and talk about how much of a "man" you are for replying on a thread that I pumped and dumped. Have fun with my scraps, cucks.

You see.... the joke is that it says CUM

>>20118870

>>20119139
actually it says cum bum

New budget king in the house. 1zpresso and Timemore babies are shitting themselves.

>>20118870
>>20119140
This is how I roast

Have been using a hand grinder for drip coffee for several years, want to upgrade and expand into espresso.
Any recommendations for an electric grinder for both filter and espresso? Have been looking at both the Timemore 078s and the DF64 v2

>>20119557
The DF64V is also worth a look.

>>20119454
The heart of the ship

>>20119557
The df is a much better design.

>>20119310
holy shit
any word on a good one for espresso?

coffee is poop wine

>>20119862
P2 is great for espresso. I saw one video review saying that the p0 outperforms the p1 in espresso grind too which is weird. I only have the p2 and k6 and they are pretty much the same

Looking to upgrade my shitty walmart kettle. Is the OXO kettle a decent value for $73 on amazon or should I just buy a cheaper chinkshit kettle or blow the extra money to upgrade to something like a stagg?

tfw got a Saeco Vienna Deluxe espresso machine as a hand-me-down but it keeps tripping the AFCI breakers in my house.

>>20120327
>Saeco Vienna Deluxe espresso machine

>posting in ctg when you don't have a laboratory grade moisture content meter for calibrating your grinds/brews
I really hope you don't do this

Went to Torrefazione Continental to fetch some 100% arabica degoff dark roast, so it’s not as temperature sensible as my medium roasted specialty, also because I can drink it as much as I want and it’s good for testing.

JX Pro at 1.5.2, this is my dialled in setting, 16 gr in and 40 gr out in 45 seconds included 13 seconds of pre infusion. Slayer profile (8 bar and ramping pressure down from 30 grams yield to finish).

Cuppa was strong af, I’m not used to double espresso, a little bitter too but these are not high quality beans so it’s ok (their blends are more balanced than 100% arabica for some reason).

So, next tries I will do a turbo shot to avoid soften the cuppa and will also try a lower ratio to see if this helps skip extracting the final bitter part.

>>20120327
have you looked inside? probably water leaking somewhere shorting shit to ground

>>20120333
Aye, that's the one.

>>20120369
Haven't taken it apart yet, but was able to plug it in out at the garage (that doesn't have AFCI breakers) and appeared to be running fine. Hopefully it will be something simple.

>>20118870
Do you guys roast your own coffee?
I've been using a fresh roast for a few years and was looking to upgrade but the only upgrade I can find that I like is another fresh roast.

>>20120475
yes
get a Genecafe Coffee Roaster
https://alternativebrewing.com.au/products/genecafe-coffee-roaster?variant=39435091050695

>>20120475
Yes. Get a razzotube when they're back in stock.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1298802587/v5t-95-inch-performance-roasting-chamber?show_sold_out_detail=1
>>20120355
Italian faggots aren't allowed to do turbos. You're already pushing it with a slayer, but I guess they were bought by Gruppo Cimbali.

I initially thought I wanted a Behmor 2000AB Plus but after watching a few videos I like that my fresh roast is basically an appliance that I can set and leave unlike the behmor which would require some for my autismo powers to operate.

QUANO QUANO QUANO
https://youtu.be/6Lf7ltxZcRs

>>20120745
sharing drinks
cringe
hating normie cafes
based

>>20120303
Same question here. I would have been fine with the OXO but its 180€ here for no good reason. The only fully stainless options I have left on amazon are those square chinkshit kettles and the hazel quinn kettle. No idea how good these are. I don't need to the degree precision but something within 2/3 °C delta would be fine. Been looking at the Tchibo kettle also.
If you know of any kettle around 70€ that's fully stainless with decent temp control and a nice pour that can be shipped to France I would very much like to know also.

>>20120745
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTjGeY93ZPU
yikes...
this is doa

>>20120303
This is the kettle I have. Quite happy with it overall with one or two caveats.

Pros
-all stainless internal minus a single silicone gasket
-boils fast
-temp accuracy from 0-3F of target temp (on the two I've had, see cons section)
-good pour control but can be poured quickly (good for tea which is most of what I drink)

Cons
-another anon in the last thread had pretty significant temperature overshooting issues with his
-I'm on my second one...first lasted 2 years, with the caveat that I was poor and moved into what turned out to be a cockroach infested apartment, and those fuckers got up into the electronics, so that may have been a fluke

My second one is now performing as well as ever 3 years in.

>>20120475
i just started myself with picrel
its good fun although its been a bit of a trial and error process so far

>>20121004
If you get a long barspoon and agitate at the beginning you can do 115g batches. I roast top off with a kruve brew stick and a knockoff metal v60 when I want to restrict it a bit.
https://www.kruveinc.com/products/brew-stick-new
https://www.amazon.com/Coffee-Dripper-Stainless-Shaped-Reusable/dp/B09D3WCZ37/

>>20121004
I've got a modified west bend I need to throw up on ebay.

>>20118870
so i got this chinese knockoff chemex thing from my mom
it uses a metal filter and everything was hunky dory for a while, but now a few months down the line the thing takes FOREVER to drip through.
I clean it often, so I dont really know what the problem is. Maybe its because my water is hard as shit?
At this point I'm just thinking about getting something new that uses paper filters.

>>20121101
I had a metal filter do the same thing.
I never bothered trying to clean it.
Maybe soak it overnight in vinegar then put it on top of the washing machine rinse cycle?

If I wanted to go for a french press or something, are there any recommended brands? Do I have to worry about something coming from china and falling apart the second I use it?
>>20121166
vinegar sounds like a good idea, I'll give it a shot

I mentioned to a family member that the local roaster I order from has been reducing my orders from 12 oz to now 9 oz, and they got weirdly upset that I should stop trusting small companies and buy from Costco or Whole Foods instead. I can understand choosing a different roaster, but why would someone insist on trusting the big faceless corporations more?

>>20121223
The three premium ones would be the espros, the varias, and the fellow clara. Everything else is going to be the same junk. Metal screen in a tube.
https://espro.com/collections/french-press
https://www.variabrewing.com/collections/pro-brewers/products/varia-pro-press
https://www.variabrewing.com/collections/pro-brewers/products/varia-pro-brewer
https://fellowproducts.com/products/clara-french-press

>>20121256
boomers are retarded
>big business can never scam, everything they do and say is essentially the word of god
>everything is an nigerian scammer trying to drain your bank account
i go through this shit all the time with my family
like if i use the website for the roaster i use and its a bit slow for whatever reason and i mention it they will say they are running a bitcoin miner on my pc when i use the site and i should stop going there.
but when their websites are slow "well thats life, what can ya do"

>>20118870
Imagine walking into work for your first day and your boss says you have to say "What cum can I get you today?" to every customer.

>>20121032
interesting, thanks for the tip

>>20121295
just ask your mum.

>>20121318
I asked her. She said she never worked in a cafe but for a little while she did prep work at a French restaurant but decided she didn't want to be a chef after the experience. What did your mum say?

>>20122124
my mum said your mums ya dad

>>20122164
No you deaf cunt she said my mum is your dad. Your mum told me that my mum came inside her when she was waitressing

>>20122168
yeh thats what i said anon
you mum is your dad.

>>20120303
Brit here. In our country, you can get cheap kettles in any supermarket or homeware shop. Why spend loads on a kettle, they all do the same thing.

I would just get pic related and be done with it (that price is $9.15 USD).

>>20121223
I have a frieling because I don't like to add estrogens to my brew. It's 100% stainless steel.
https://direct.frieling.com/frieling_french_press_polished_p/fpm.htm

>>20122734
>they all do the same thing.
mine does not add loads of estrogens to my brew.

>>20122785
This one is metal, only $23.82 USD

>>20122789
I like gooseneck.

This thing is hot but it's unlined chinese copper.
The Hario and all other "copper" kettles online by top brands are not really copper, most are just a lining, apparently the Hario can peel off like plastic.

>>20119618
I got that reference.

>>20119310
I kind of wanted one as a travel grinder, but it's not much smaller than the K4 I already have. It's quite a bit lighter, but only like 2cm shorter, which is negligible.

>>20119310
who cares about lighter/cheaper/easier, is it better?

>>20122875
whoopty fucking doo faggot

>>20122734
clueless. the whole point in getting a kettle for coffee is the gooseneck and setting an exact temp control. your kettle just sets to boil, just get a pot at that point

>>20119454

>>20123015
Cheap kettle. Instant coffee. Bish bash bosh, bob's your uncle.

>>20120475
>upgrade
your local roaster is probably using a bullet if they're small time, or something larger of equal quality if they're bigger. so look to getting a bullet or a ROEST if you want to "upgrade". roasting at home isn't an upgrade if you're using a fresh roast, why would it be? it's a hobby, might be cheaper under fringe circumstances, but don't be arrogant, unless you're getting the vibe that your local roaster is incompetent or doing a roast level that doesn't suit you.

>>20120533
genecafe is the best thing that isn't super expensive, this anon is right
>>20123210
instant coffee is complete shit

>>20123231
>instant coffee is complete shit
It's cheap and easy to make. Obviously it doesn't taste as good as proper coffee. But it's not that bad.

>>20123261
it's not even that cheap, half of it is filler/fiber because of the way it's extracted(which is also the reason that the "not that bad" statement is wrong) so you'll actually get more soluble coffee for your money just buying some random preground shit and it'll taste better

>>20123322
At some point I will probably buy proper ground coffee again because I do prefer the taste. But when you're a lazy cunt like me, instant is fine. I don't have to wash out a french press or Aeropress. I hate the effort of cleaning, so it works for me.

>>20123224
"Hobbyists" create better product than commercial producers at the same experience level. It's not arrogance, it's common knowledge fact. It's the basis of "small batch" "micro" and etsy marketing.
Air>Drum
"Fringe circumstances" is $6/lb for premium at home vs $20/lb for basic from a roaster.

Hate Lance Hendrick but some of his video topics are interesting.
Looks like the Gaggiuino got a lot easier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4pTFCGVlmQ

>>20123224
That logic dictates Starbucks beats my Cremina.

>>20123231
It's a rotating behmor that can only do slow profiles and stinks of plastic.

Was it my choice? Has it ever been?

>>20123459
no, people that get into roasting are more passionate than people that get a summer job at starbucks.

Roaster by me does only three roasts:
light
vienna (between medium and dark)
french (very dark)

why do they do this and does this mean anything about their quality

>>20123728
>why do they do this
because people like different things(and they have different usecases as well). as for why they only have one of each, probably because it's better for a local roaster with limited demand to find two or three suppliers(to account for seasonality) they have a good rapport and trust with than stacking endless options of low quality and bad returns. it doesn't mean much about their quality, 3 different roast levels is plenty and isn't really the most important factor in what you might like

>>20123728
>does this mean anything about their quality
most of the top 100 roasters in the world(90+ I'd wager) don't stack any french roasts at all

>>20123742
Cope and seethe.

>>20123810
about what? I'm just answering a question that anon asked in an objective manner, I genuinely can't even guess at what you think I'm seething about

>>20123824
Its a shitty local roaster. They have no rapport with multiple suppliers. Its 2024 pal. They're ordering cheap shit off a single website and roasting the piss out of it. Guarantee the light roast comes out of the same dirty roaster.

>>20123617
Still made at home, which was seemingly the only metric.

>>20123863
no people that get into roasting as a profession or sidegig also are more passionate than some teenager that gives 0 fucks and a company that has standardized their practices to allow for that
>>20123848
That's possible, but it's purely an assumption. I'm just answering the question at face value "does having only 3 roast levels indicate something about quality?" and the answer is no, most local roasters don't have a huge offerring, that is generally optimal, bloating your selection over focusing on something you've got dialed in perfectly doesn't indicate quality either way if you're just selling to your surrounding area

>>20123884
Do you think things that people choose as a hobby involves no passion?
Do you love your job so much that you would do it even if you did not need to financially?
Oh but that would be a hobby wouldn't it...
hmmmm.

>>20123884
>people that get into roasting as a profession or sidegig also are more passionate
>That's possible, but it's purely an assumption

>>20123918
yeah what I said isn't an assumption, your local roaster IS more invested than your local barista, on average, that's a fact
>>20123909
I'm not saying hobbyists aren't passionate? I'm simply saying you can't compare a professional roaster to a professional starbucks employee. Even if we assume a top tier third wave coffee shop with passionate employees, the pressures that they work under will likely mean that they're not necessarily making a better espresso than you on your cremina, but those variables are different for a roaster, they have less factors that force them to compromise on quality, you'll beat them by customizing more to your preference, but you're unlikely to beat them on quality. and no, btw. cheap air roasters are not better than drum, show me the air roasters that win roasting competitions, if you find any at all they won't be under 3k

>>20123884
>I'm just answering the question at face value "does having only 3 roast levels indicate something about quality?" and the answer is no
The answer is yes. They're not confident enough in their roasts to specialize and cater to a specific market, so they try a bit of everything. The dartboard approach. Its like the beer bars you see with 15 random shitty beers on tap.

>>20123958
3 isn't a lot, most local roasters aren't competing with other roasters, so they should have an answer for everyone in the community, people with a shitty all-in-one espresso machine that can't get hot enough for light roasts, the pour over people, the turkish coffee enjoyers. 3 is a good number to not bloat your menu but still have an answer for everyone. also having one coffee doesn't even make that much sense when focusing on quality, you realize that coffees only exist for one season right? if you want top quality you have to change your menu with seasons, so it's not like committing to one product is going to make it better. also look at top 5 worldwide roasters like tim wendelboe(widely considered the best, period), gardelli, coffee collective, la cabra, all have 5+ offerings at any one time.

>>20123976
>la cabra, all have 5+ offerings at any one time.
Can you show me the various vienna and french roasts here?
https://www.lacabra.dk/collections/coffee

>>20124018
no, those are two different arguments. local roasters should offer dark roasts because they should fullfil the broad demands of their community, specialty roasters largely don't do french roasts because they're fucking shit for subhumans.
I brought up top tier specialty roasters to dispute the idea that specializing and catering to a specific market implies quality, when some of the best roasters have a wide array of offering, sure, it's mostly light and light medium, but they're still very different roasts and beans, from geisha to arabica to occasional eugenioides, clearly offering broad selections isn't incompatible with quality

>>20123943
>and no, btw. cheap air roasters are not better than drum, show me the air roasters that win roasting competitions, if you find any at all they won't be under 3k
hobbyists have no financial incentive to enter a competition. show me a matchup. any at all.

>>20124030
but pro roasters have huge incentives to WIN roasting competitions, and they don't use their store stocked beans for it, they use small uniquely processed bean batches for that, if they could get any edge with air roasting, that's what they'd use, even if they used drums for their professional scale endeavors, it's just something to put on your resume that attracts customers and cafe clients. you can't buy the coffee that they used to win the world coffee roasting championship, same as world pour over championship or world barista championship, those products only exist when put in front of the judge, so they use any edge regardless of professional viability

>>20123943
>show me the air roasters that win roasting competitions, if you find any at all they won't be under 3k
Less than half that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQB0koUF2Ps
https://showroomcoffee.com/product/kaffelogic/
>>20124028
Local roasters "should" offer dark roasts because most people like shit tier coffee. That's whats implied when 2/3rds of their menu is "vienna" or darker. Cope. Seethe.

>>20124042
yes most people don't know how to make light roasts properly, what of it?

>>20124041
You have a link to where they detail the machines used in these competitions?

>>20124042
this is the barista championship btw, not roasting, obviously having something portable is nice,
>>20124056
no they're fucking terrible at documenting the lesser disciplines but they had some of it on twitch last world championship

>>20124056
WCRC provides(forces) the sponsor machines. The sample roasters in 2023 were Stronghold S7 Pros, the production roasters were Giesen W6A. I don't believe this is the case for the national feeder qualifiers where roasters will use their own equipment. Most of the world brewers cup competitors are also roasting their coffee at the competition on hot air roasters like Ikawa, Kaffelogic, and Roest. They're not running gas lines in convention halls for a couple coffee nerds to fuck around.

>>20124086
wait is roest a hot air roaster? I honestly thought it wasn't. that changes things, I'm wrong about this specific point if true

>>20124042
Not convinced Kaffelogic Nano 7 is an upgrade from my Fresh Roast.
>200g @ $1450
PID is cool but I could replace that with experience.
I suppose it is more automatic but is that worth.
>>20124086
... so what was said above was complete bunk...

>>20124097
1.6kw, comes with a spare heating element.
>>20124103
No you're just retarded and don't understand logistics. They mail the green coffee out for the national qualifier competitions. The competitors are using the smallest sample roasters they can to play with their profile in the weeks leading up to the competition. You don't have to roast on site like the WCRC. They're not blowing through their allotted coffee in a single drum.
>Competitors must submit 2 pounds of the compulsory coffee roasted by the competitor from the 20 pounds green
compulsory coffee sent by the green coffee sponsor prior to the event.
>3-5 weeks prior to the Qualifying Competition competitors will be shipped 20 pounds of green compulsory coffee sent
by the green coffee sponsor. After the green compulsory coffee has been shipped, waitlist competitors will only be added at the discretion of the US Competitions Committee.

>>20124163
but you said no air roaster ever win especially any under $3k.
and that was very wrong.
so I now assume you just lie about whatever point you want to make.

>>20124199
You're getting two anons confused.

>>20124199
the roest is not under 3k

>>20124211
The Kaffelogic Nano 7 is.

>>20124206
you can follow the discussion line directly back to:
>cheap air roasters are not better than drum, show me the air roasters that win roasting competitions, if you find any at all they won't be under 3k
that's what I was referring to.

>>20124276
I'm aware. I'm the one who brought up the nano 7. Posted about it last thread too.
>>20107248

>>20124326
Oh I started with the west bend and modded it so I'm use to manual control and inconsistency. It has made me more knowledgeable of the different effects I think.

>>20124326
What are the technical differences between the Fresh Roast SR800 and the nano 7?

>>20124398
I made my manual control a bit less inconsistent with a tc4+ and artisan in the new Popper*. Watching your mistakes graphed in real time helps.
>west bend and modded it
Nice! Back when I started modding poppers in 2019 I was on the hunt for a reasonably priced poppery 1 to gut. Not my pic but I have it saved for when people ask about what the sweet marias Popper* actually ads over the OGs. They literally just sent a poppery out to china and said make this, but with dials.

>>20124427
SR800 is a dumb 1750w unit that'll do up to 8oz. I'd guess ~1600w of that is the heater. Coarse, manual control over heat, fan speed and duration.

Nano 7 is a 1400w unit that'll do 80-100g roasts (or 50-200g with an addon kit), but its programmable over their own software or open source Artisan. Tuned PID, temp logging, predictive graphing, control over usb etc. Roast a batch, log it, tweak in Artisan, run a new batch with the new profile.

They're both heating elements with a fan, its just what you're after. One will do a household's worth of coffee quick and dirty, the other will do a much smaller amount with a much higher degree of control and consistency. There are absolutely people who have roasted "commercially" on freshroasts. Much harder to do on 100g batches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URvlXsZW5WA

>>20124506
The SR700 had a USB and could use a program but it was discontinued. I don't know why.

>>20124536
Its an sr500 with a $100 gimmick. I'm not sure how much additional control you got over usb. It looks to me like their software is still just doing the same low/med/high heat on the sr500? Its programmable as in it'll replicate button presses, not roasting logs? Might be different on a different program but its definitely not pidded or anything.

>>20119454
How does Schwenker coffee taste compared to a normal roast?

>>20124596
If you roast in the same environmental condition it's probably all you need to be consistent, otherwise you learn how the changing environment effects the roast.
I'd definitely get one with a pid if they ever came out with one.
how do you think that would compare to a nano7?
you said $80 to pid? if so the unit could be expected to run about $160 more, $460 pid SR800 compared to the nano?

Ordered some beans last week. They have been traveling to me the past week when it has been super cold I'm america. How fucked are after freezing outside then going indoors thawing and moving again freezing again thawing again.

>>20124714
The machine I wired the pid into is $80. If you're willing to brick a $300 freshroast I'm not going to stop you. That was my plan before the Popper* came out and I had something else to play with. This is just the "brain", you'll also need a host computer(I use a raspberry pi 3), and some other shit like solid state relays, thermoprobes etc etc.
https://www.sweetmarias.com/popper.html
https://artisanaltechnologies.co.uk/

>>20124779
>brick it
Kek
2 snips to analog.
https://www.tindie.com/products/artisanaltech/tc4-coffee-roaster-shield-tc4-plus/

>>20124774
Freezing and thawing effects the integrity of the cell wall, which you are not very concerned with in the first place, and they are low moisture if roasted so I doubt it will effect your cup very much. If anything it drops the selflife.

>>20125237
Meant more like accidentally burning the element out by running it without the fan while you're fucking around. I bypassed my thermal switch so I've got no "limiter" on my heat.

>>20123535
dogshit coffee but based cup and saucer set

>>20125569
cool

what's the difference between coffee made with an aeropress and coffee made with a drip coffee maker like a moccamaster?

>>20118870
What grinder is that in OP‘s picture? It reminds me of picrel but I don’t know who is the manufacturer.

>>20125947
probably a mahlkoenig seeing as it is basically the grinder that every cafe on earth uses.

>>20122907
If you already have a k4 i don't think getting a p2 is worth it, its probably slightly better overall due to the burr being 7-star, but the effects of this are negligible.

>>20122965
it is better than everything under k6, k6 is better overall but for half the price it's a pretty tight competition. The only thing better about the K series is faster grinding but my p2 compared to my k6 the difference for espresso (which both do very well) is around 20 seconds.

>>20125947
Well there are 4 grinders in that pic. Looks like a Mazzer ZM and 3 Robur S. The animal crossing grinder is probably modeled after an akirakoki m520a. Bunch of cheap grinders use that body style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EeJ4qHgSuA

>>20125926
areopress will be a much fuller coffee, while a drip coffee tends to have more flavour profiles. Mainly due to the areopress having the coffee and water stay stagnant and more extraction of heavier solvents while in drip the contact time is much shorter and only the lighter flavourful solvents are extracted.

Are there any other espresso machines under £400 that can consistently produce the same temperature and pressure every time without needing to worry about temperature surfing or autistic preheating routines? Because people generally refer to the 9barista as "overpriced" in terms of its features, yet all the cheaper options generally lack a PID controller. Plus this supposedly makes espresso from cold water in about 4-6 minutes, whereas many espresso machines need to be preheated for 10-15 minutes before they can pull a shot.

>>20126229
>under £400
lol
no

Why yes I am drinking a cup of instant coffee this lunchtime.

Mmm. Convenience. Delicious.

>>20126229
Pid only takes measurements and adjusts for one specific area i.e. the area of the therocouple, so all area that the pid adjusts for that is not that area is inconsistency. It does not take anything other than the single input into account.
You will never have the same cup ever again.

>>20126242
>Convenience
just drink pod coffee at that point

>>20118870
Nespresso here, tell me, let it all out, but state if you have tried it or not though
and before you ask, yes, I'm an intern with the mindset of the CEO

>>20126270
A homeless guy told me that the inside of the lid of the trashcans on 4th and sycamore taste of milk and honey.
I took his word for it.

>>20126242

>>20126233
>>20126249
So why do people say a 9barista is overpriced then? People will say a Flair is cheaper, but it doesn't do any sort of thermal management and leaves that entirely to the user. And unless you pay a lot of money for a temperature controlled kettle (which when combined with the price of a flair will probably bring it close to the 9barista), the chances are that you will have very little control over the actual brewing temperature. The only exception is the Flair 58 which has a preheating element, but that is £150 more expensive than the 9barista.

There must be something obvious that I'm missing. I guess the one downside of the 9barista is that you have to stick to the 93°C brewing temperature that the manufacture has designed the machine to brew at, although I don't know if you could increase that by dosing salt into the "cooling boiler" and therefore increasing the boiling point of that water at atmospheric pressure.

Been making manual pour over for a colleague of mine for the past 2 weeks, and it's better than the one that the machine makes, even tho the coffee powder expired in 2015.
why is that

>>20126298
Coffee culture is similar to wine culture in that if it is more expensive people will tell you that it is superior in all aspects while in blind testing the cheapest wins compliment over the extravagant.
Do what makes you happy because it is all fake and gay.

>>20126314
The coffee's mold tastes better than the machine's mold.

>>20126321
>if it is more expensive people will tell you that it is superior in all aspects
Coffee culture isn't like that though unless you get into espresso. Any coffeefag will tell you that a V60 is $10 and specialty coffee is hardly more expensive than the burnt to shit grocery store crap.

>>20126298
>So why do people say a 9barista is overpriced then?
because they see it as a moka pot
also it does have actual downsides that other electric traditional espresso machines dont have
pulling back to back shots is very very slow compared to any machine the same price, even the flair 58 is like twice as fast at least.
also you cannot change a brew
the 9barista makes more or less 1(ONE) brew. all you can really change is coffee that goes in and the grind size(slightly like a couple clicks up or down but this just has to do with the coffee that goes in such as roast level might need a slightly different grind size but because it is espresso after all and it is the 9barista where you cannot control any of the other parameters of the brew you really cant change the grind size as much as you could on normal machine)
and the 9barista simply might not be able to make the kind of coffee you like.
it IS overpriced. but that doesnt mean it isnt good and it cant make really great coffee.
but if the 9barista is for you, as in it is exactly what you have been looking for then the price is meaningless.
and thats why it is the price it is.
also the fact that it is a complex machine from a pretty small company that has a pretty low production capacity.

>>20126364
>Coffee culture isn't like that though
it is
>unless you get into espresso.
you are retarded and or dont know enough about the specialty coffee industry.

>>20126265
That's more expensive though and I'm a cheap bastard.

>>20126293
That's also more expensive than instant coffee, and that looks like it's full of milk. I personally only have a bit of milk in coffee. But to each their own.

>>20126276
I'm esl, and I don't understand

>>20126270
>I'm an intern with the mindset of the CEO
My nigga's on that sigma grindset

>>20126460
>ਸਿਗਮਾ

>>20126229
it's really shit in terms of control and versatility, "always same pressure and temperature" is not a desirable trait

>>20126496
Do not redeeem saar

>>20126504
>is not a desirable trait
unless it is.
its "kinda" retard proof.

>>20126514
it'll be good.. for one bean, of a certain roast, for a certain amount of time. oh and obviously you're not changing baskets for different amounts of espresso. and you're not doing a declining pressure shot. and I imagine you can't really pre-infuse. I'm sure I'm wrong about maybe one of these and there's a hack for it, but it's easy to see that there are a fuckton of limitations. even in the ideal scenario where you just want one bean and the variables align perfectly with the 9barista, you'll still get a better shot with a lever machine, and you'll still have the ability to change things when time resumes and you exit the scenario of everything being perfect. semi autos like a gaggia pro also mog the shit out of it and can also be modded if you ever want to elevate. it's cool but it's not practical, best argument is I guess portability? definitely would trust it more than those squeeze thingies

Starting my Sunday off right with a nice cafe bianco

>>20121101
You can get cotton filters that will fit. Just get the squares type so it has "handles" to grab. I have a 900ml chinesium "chemex" and a 1400ml Chemex, and I use cotton filters for both.

>>20126460
hell yeah

>>20126572
Test

>>20126595
Whoof that's not very good sorry boys here's a still image of a tasty flattop cappucino

>>20126552
like i said
retard proof
also like i said here
>>20126365
there is a small amount of people who this is made for as in every flaw you see, they see a feature.
i mean clearly they sell enough to stay in business
also i can imagine it would be great for camping
the moka pot is already seen as a good way to have good coffee while camping
if you want real espresso in the middle of nowhere the 9barista is the best option

Tried out the poor-man's pre-infusion on the GCP today, pretty neat.

>>20126666
don't get me wrong, I think it's cool, if I could have one for free I'd treasure it, so it's no mystery to me that it sells. but I think it's totally fair that considering the feature set, people call it overpriced, especially when the people that call it that tend to be people quite comfortable with espresso making

>>20126717
>. but I think it's totally fair that considering the feature set, people call it overpriced,
yeh i also agree.
i think the 9barista is fucking awesome but yeh there is no way i would pay full price at least how my life is now
also there are so many other coffee things i should be spending my money on instead.
the 9barista is all the way down at the bottom of the wish list list.

Degoff 16g in 32g out in 20 seconds.

Syrupy goodness at every hour.

>>20126868
That some method with north south east west stirring importance?

>>20126886
Huh?

>>20126913
He's calling you a faggot.

>>20126918
Only if it's accurate.

>>20126918
Bruh baka rn, on god fr fr

>>20126977
take care of your skin anon :)

>>20126981
Italians are naturally slimy.

>>20126977
>crusty
>nails clipped all the way
why are italians like this?

>>20127084
>focus is coffee
>commenting on the skin

Anon, stop being gay. It’s not healthy.

>>20127096
Italian roast decaf is about as far from actual coffee as you can get.

>>20126868
>>20126977
Good job mokafra, I always believed in you.

>>20123210
>>20126242

>>20127232
Thaanc ;D

Trabatto is going to be locked in that hole.

>>20127832
>you can be let out when you make a good coffee

I’m something of a coffee aficionado myself

>>20118870
the chocolate hazlenut preground coffee from trader joes is really good. like, amazing. anyone here try it?

>>20128651
no dawg

coffee time
:)

i drink too much coffee and chew too much tobacco ( ._.)

Tranny jannies: why?

GCP Gods how should I use my water waste from temp surfing and pre-infusion?

>>20129414
what happened

>>20129770
Tried an enema?

So my df64 gen 2 is broken. I have had it less than 2 months and the power button doesn't work anymore. Correction, it works but doesn't keep the machine on. I press it in, it locks in but does not keep the machine on. I have to hold the button completely depressed to keep the motor running. Not sure what to do. I guess take it apart and take a look at it? I don't want to send it out to get fixed. Bought it from espressooutlet.

>>20128651
no it isn't

>>20129804
you know what to do

>>20129804
just contact them? there's a warranty

>>20129831
warranty is poor mans cope.

>>20129833
+2

>>20129833
void that waranty chud.

>>20122965
if your measures for better are that its lighter, cheaper, and easier then yeah its way better

The button not working is a common issue happening often as I'm being told by espressooutlet. They are sending me a replacement button and have a detailed video on YouTube on how to replace it.

>>20130157
>common issue isn't picked up by reviewers
really makes thr noggin joggin

>>20130190
>common issue isn't picked up by reviewers
do reviewers usually use a grinder multiple times per day every day for multiple months before making a review?

I miss the early days of barista championships when they talked much more about methodology and what they've found from their own experiments, and the winners would go on to make some of the most important cafes/machines/grinders/roasteries. now it's just Ntutu from indopakinesiastan saying "we really tried to get in touch with the ritual and spiritual origins of coffee, and give it the love and camraderie that it deserves, also I'm colored"
idk what changed, but I guess the tastes and demographics of the judges are just different. honestly brewers cup might be more influential now, at least it is a good indicator of what's the best current handgrinder for pour overs, also tetsu kazuya made more of a name from himself than any of the barista champs in the last 5-10 years

>>20130239
coffee people are massive hipster faggots so and right now that demographic intersects with people whose entire identity is their skin color and origin

>>20130239
Coffee is for poors. White people drink tea now.

>>20118870
I want to upgrade from instant coffee, what's a good step up? should I just buy some good quality preground coffee and a drip coffee maker?

I would grind beans myself but I don't know if I can handle having to grind beans every morning, and my refined palate probably isn't refined enough to care yet

Would you classify this as light, medium, or dark roast?

>>20130724
medium/medium dark

>>20130724
Little bit of visible shine. Pushing past medium.

Not a fan. It has this woodsy/piney taste up front followed by some nice fruit sweetness, but man the woodsy taste is so off putting. Tried 96c and boiling at med-coarse to med-fine with varying levels of agitation but couldn't get away from it.

>>20130864
It explains why 1zpresso originally shelved the zp6. I don't think the more developed "asian" roasts like that would be a good match with very exposing/clarity forward burrs. The fruits aren't completely overshadowed by the roast, but I haven't been able to get away from it either on kinu or lab sweets. Try dropping your ratio a bit. Probably a very good coffee for our medium roast french press enjoyers. Spros up just how you'd think too.

>>20130472
Yea probly. Shop sites where people usually buy whole bean then select ground and if you can select the grind select drip. Gooseneck kettle and v60. Or just use a regular automatic drip coffee maker with high quality beans. Alot of different options that are almost equally simple.

>>20130239
Fat Morgan broke her coffee cups to symbolize the earth being broken by climate change for fuck's sake. Gay shit

I wear my sunglasses at night, so i can, so i can, drink coffee without r'v'lin my eyes

>>20131133
and by drink coffee i mean smoke weed and drink coffee

i need someone to hard shill me the Kingrinder K6 in relationship with other contenders for the price

>>20119454
now thats a chicken gyro!

>>20131107
lmao

>>20131107
should've broken her plates

>>20131671
>should've broken her plates
Holy fucking kek

>>20131209
>in the company of the inventor
blessed

>>20131671
kek

>>20131671

>>20118870
Would you eat this?

>>20132284
yes

>>20123728
https://youtu.be/N6BJVM5tvnw?si=_MW08n-3qUlFTFlc
The graph in this video sums it up

>>20131413
My friend bought one as his first "proper" grinder, I'll take a look at it this week and maybe buy one next month. The price seems unreal.

>>20132284
Have and do

>>20131413
At that price it's a no brainer. External adjusting ring is so much better than any other option

should i have a 1am goff OR a 3am coff?

>>20132510
Have a 2:14am coffee at 1:58am

>>20130946
This recipe (1 cup method) on the Aeropress got rid of it.
https://aeroprecipe.com/recipes/2017-wac-1st-place
Different cup, but very pleasant. Still silky with a bit of berries, a little grape and chocolate. May play around with the grind size.

I've broken my french press. I don't browse coffee threads but as I need to replace it anyway, does quality of a french press matter at all?

>>20132566
Don't settle for less
https://weberworkshops.com/products/bird

>>20132534
im having a 3:30am coff at 1:30am

>>20132566
The main differences will be thermal retention (dual-walled stainless steel retains heat better than glass) and durability (steel is less likely to shatter). Super cheap FPs might have a poorly machined mesh that ends up having sharp edges and prick you when washing it, but otherwise the filter/plunger is barely going to make a significant difference to the actual brew.

>>20132578
Based.

>>20131671

J ultra for espresso, y or n?

>>20133172
>heads-or-tails.com
said y

ok anons from today I'm going to start saving some money so i can buy a comandante. wish me luck

>>20133186
Good luck anon. You should buy a p2 in the meantime.
>>20133172
That's what it's made for. I'd get a kinu instead.

>>20133186
Biggest rip off and there’s so many options that are not only cheaper but also better. I guess the wood and glass look a little nice but aside from that you’re just paying for a brand name (who gives a shit about that in the coffee world? It’s a grinder not sneakers).
Look into the 1zpresso K-max as one example.
Anyways it’s up to you in the end. If the wood and glass will make you horny just by looking at it then sure.

TATE GBW KINO for all you gaggia tinkerers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=434hrQDGtxo

>>20133388
The burr is also much sharper in the dante than the chinese clones. Way better polishing and overall fit and finish. How much that will matter in the cup after a year, who knows, but its a difference.
> I guess the wood
Its (was) a hand finished wood veneer over a full stainless steel body. Also drives the price up a bit compared to chinese alu builds.

>>20133417
BBW not GBW, apologies.

>>20133388
>>20133417

Due to import fees and shipping costs, the 1zpressos cost like 50-100 USD extra. So my two current contenders are Kingrinder K6 for like 150 USD and Comander C40 for 300 USD

>>20133461
If its going to be a significant wait without decent coffee I'd just cope and get the kin. The P0 I ordered for a peppermill just came in sunday. Shitty lid, shitty cup, but the body and internals seem fine. Where are you at?

hello
can I just eat ground coffee? I'm very lazy, and I don't want to spend 15 minutes or so making coffee, I just want to be awake
so if I eat a spoon of coffee, will it hsve the same effect as drinking a cup of coffee?
thanks everyone

The button on my df64 gen 2 now works again. I guess I moved it in a direction as if I was screwing it in a little and it smuhgoogled it back into the right position. Oh well Ill take it.

>>20118870
Had my first withdrawal symptoms after forgetting to drink a cuppa today. I thought I contracted covid with how bad the aches, pains and fatigue were. 8 hours later and Im finally beginning to feel better. Be careful bros

Is the aero press actually good? Does anyone use it regularly or as their main method of brewing?

>>20134463
no

>>20134463
Get a moka pot instead.

>>20120303
That's what I ended up getting after my old one broke also. It just werks. Stagg seems to be a meme except for specific bullshit.

>>20134463
Yes it's a capable and versatile brewer (arguably the most versatile). Ignore the schizos.

>>20134463
They're cheap, they're simple to produce pretty decent coffee, they travel well - I take one away on work trips because it's just low hassle.

I want to try freezing coffee but I only have a handgrinder. Will the beans be too wet when I grind them? It would be a hassle to wipe the insides everytime.

>>20135235
nah dw about it

>>20118870
do not drink covfefe

French press bros. What's your recipe?

>>20135235
Why would freezing beans make them wet?

I grind all my coffee from frozen beans, it's fine.

>>20135235
The only reason your beans would be wet after freezing them is if you don't appropriately seal the container and allow moisture to get inside.

>>20135934
>1:12 – 1:15 ratio
>grind coffee a little finer than is standard for French press
>coffee in
>hot water in
>stir vigorously with wooden utensil for atleast 1 minute preferably 2 minutes
>lid on, plunge filter just until it touches the surface
>wait atleast 10 minutes, more if you can spare the time
>once brewed, plunge filter halfway into the liquid and slowly pour into cup/mug

>>20135934
Exactly 2 oz of coffee per 1 liter
Slow press

>>20135934
hoffmeme recipe

Got a Clever recently, but no grinder yet as most of the Kins are out of stock. What other brewing parameters can I play with in the meantime?

cheeky long sip decaf along with 60% ghana choccy, dry fruit enhanced

>>20136190
>What other brewing parameters can I play with in the meantime?
Ratio, how long you steep

Suddenly I can't steam milk to save my life, no foam.

>>20135934
are you a supertaster?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rvdh-mKDaQ

>>20136190
what >>20136272 said plus agitation, water temp, dripper on or off depending how many pours you make

Got to ask, as I'm genuinely considering getting a grindr.

Do they ACTUALLY make a difference, or are people just saying it does to justify spending a stupid amount of money on coffee equipment because they're addicted to spending?

>>20136575
They make a big difference. Just buy a k6 and don't think too much about it

>>20136575
lil of column A lil of column B ;)

>>20136575
yes

>>20136575
bit of both m80

>>20136575
kingridner makes very affordable grinders that will improve your brew rather dramatically if youre upgrading from preground, but the real difference will be that youre using freshly ground beans

>>20136575
Burr grinders definitely have a very noticable improvement over blade grinders and preground (stale) coffee. After that basic requirement is met, spending a bit more money will often get you smaller improvements (grind adjustment, grind range, QoL features, build quality). If you're looking at electric grinders then you pay extra for motors and additional technology to lower retention and static (which is less of a problem for manual grinders). After that, differences are usually either very minor or down to individual tastes.

>>20136588
>>20136709
>>20136746
Fine, I'm gonna consoom, damnit. Yeah, will get some beans from Ue then. I did initially impulse-buy a cheap somethingGerman electric coffee grinder, but then read something to the tune of 'blade grinders are too coarse and give you big grains' or something. At any rate I'm still using a moka.

Thanks for making it clear that there is a point of diminishing returns with these, I was getting paranoid that if you don't throw stacks of money at something fancy you may as well not buy anything.

>>20136769
>worries about spending too much money
>impulse buys garbage without doing research
we all make mistakes anon

brekky
pie
cawfee :)

>>20136781
Yeah, I refunded it afterwards... but y'know... the low upfront cost man.

>>20136785
dont think about value in terms of dollars saved, think of it in terms of what you can actually do with what youre buying

>>20136575
>>20136769
It matters. My $200 hand grinder produces a different cup than my $2600 electric. Both are great, but different. Diminishing returns hit real quick in shitty brew methods like moka and french press so don't set your sights too high. You should be looking at the kingrinder k4($88usd) or p1($33usd,not on the chart yet).

>>20136818
>my $2600 electric
which grinder

>>20136826
probably wug2
wouldnt be surprised if he used beans from the barn this morning too.

>>20136826
https://youtu.be/eoiMTA8PS9s
>>20136838
About to sip on some Loma La Gloria red bourbon black honey and shovel hershey's in my face. Put it in the dossier.

Why does the Clever drain so much faster if you add the grounds after the water? I don't understand the physics of this.

>>20136854
the grounds push the water down instead of getting in the way of water flow? idk

>>20136854
Fines get blasted into the filter from the kettle pour, grounds get compacted at the exit and causes some clogging? Coffee first lets the fines float and more stick higher on the wall so theres less resistance at the exit?

>>20136790
>>20136818
F-fine, I took the plunge, I got the P1... juuuust in caaaase... s-sorry to disappoint. >_<

>>20136950
dont be weird

>>20136950
>not buying the $2.5k grinder even though the fat youtuber said it's the best
Ngmi..

>>20136950
>I got the P1
damn anon, you got a $2500 commercial grinder as your first?
ballin.

>>20136950
P1 is basically a small k4/Jx/kinu in a shitty plastic body with worse features. 330g, 33micron internal adjustment, 25 gram capacity. Handle is fine, lid sucks, catchcup sucks, but the p0 I've been using for a peppermill is solid. You'll love it.
>>20136967
I've been shilling it since may 22. Fat youtuber made a video 4 months ago. I think he bought the same batch I did though.
>>20136989
>e80s.jpg

Coffee sisters. Our response?

Bottom text:
FUCK TRANNY JANNIES

>>20137203
not my problem

>>20137216
It is your problem when tiny hat gang stops coffee production and charges 10x for eco friendly coffee that costs 1/10th the cost to make and tiny hat gang keeps all the profits

Bottom text:
JANNIES ARE NIGGERS

>>20137203
Uh coffee comes from a tree so it's carbon negative

>>20137238
Uhh that's not how tiny hat gang sees it. Do you not believe in science? Trumptard

>>20137243
Trump is a shabbos goy, his daughter and grandkids are chosen people

>>20137203
only giant operations like starbucks would be targeted by any kind of legislation that comes from this line of thinking
so it wouldnt affect me either way

>>20137238
Not when you factor in global shipping.

Why are Kingrinders so cheap? If it is possible to rip off other burr designs of other grinders at a fraction of the cost, why aren't there a ton of other companies doing the same? I get that German brands like Kinu and Commandante will generally be overpriced, but even compared to other chink brands it seems to be undercutting them by some margin.

>>20137378
1zpresso's got reach. They've established themselves on the higher end and wanted to target a cheaper market. Kingrinders started as the budget 1zpresso RK they launched outside of china. The thai market didn't bite and wanted the "premium" end of the line so they spun off the brand. Now that they've had solid sales for a while, they decide to expand and knock off the option o remi in plastic with the new P line. P0/P1 are the conventional/contemporary burr, P3 is the q2 burr and 1zpresso still keeps the more "premium" plastic option in the q-air.
https://youtu.be/3gd4Raxf3Ps
https://www.option-o.com/remi

Ok I need guidance, I can't create any foam all of a sudden when steaming milk. What am I doing wrong?

how do people online manage to get such uneven espresso pucks?

>>20138012
>What am I doing?
Explain

>>20137366
Do plants benefit from higher co2 levels? The coffee tree is a plant btw.

>>20138735
i crack a smile every time

>>20138735
kek

>>20138735
he's just like me fr fr

>>20137203
I assume this is an example in a presentation about how shipping is a huge polluter and needs to sort its shit out. Remember when you do your personal carbon accounting to assign responsibility for any emission to the person who runs the business or government that hasn't given you a better option.

>>20138012
You are not creating foam

>>20137203
>talks about CO2
>doesn't talk about SOx
>doesn't talk about NOx

>>20119147
Cum in Lum bum

>>20139164
nihao?

Afternoon goff with a slice of sweet potato pie.

>>20139593
pie looks kinda shit :/

>>20139605
my oven is shit, it tastes fine tho

Df54 launches soon. $229.

>>20139865
>>20139865
My dick launches at your mom. Free. Soon

>>20126242
>>20130472
I just tried making a pour over for the first time this morning after usually drinking instant. I got a specialty coffee, preground cause I'm still lazy. But it tasted more like something I'd get at a cafe. It was no more work than instant but tasted way better, idk why instant even exists when it was this easy

>>20139912
theres no going back now
enjoy the koohee anon

>lends a q2 and aeropress to a friend so that he can make coffe
>he buys his flair + jultra the next month
They grow so fast

>>20139912
Now try buying whole beans and grinding them yourself for another massive improvement in quality

Had my first koji fermented red bourbon. It's interesting.

NEW
>>20140141
>>20140141
>>20140141

>>20138735
what's that from?

>>20133461
If you're gonna be brewing pourovers primarily I've actually heard the cheaper kingrinder p2 is better for them.