/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>19968482
Baratza encore on sale. Should I pick one up? Is it a good quality grinder?

>>19968433
So far I tested the two posted in the previous thread and the coffee and white chocolate panettone from Tiri 1957, which is another top notch baker, and that was good too but the coffee flavour was still subtle.

This one should be stronger because it also have coffee in the filling and glazed on top, but I never tried it: https://www.salderisoshop.com/en/panettone/194-243-panettone-caffe-napoletano.html#/26-weight-1000_gr

le moka potte

>>19968498
https://youtu.be/CIlwzYhVOfs

https://youtu.be/_DPtxIaBSco

>>19968488
yes.

>>19968521
Can you please expand on that?

df64 arrives tomorrow lads...

>>19968488
>>19968556
It will make worse coffee than a much cheaper hand grinder. But more conveniently.

>>19968570
so it would be worse than the timemore chestnut c2?

>>19968597
It would be more of a sidegrade for convenience. Shitty 38mm chinese burrs vs shitty 40mm burrs from Liechtenstein, both have shitty adjustment, but one of them works at low rpm and the other blitzes the fuck out of your beans at 450 rpm. If you're not looking for an espresso grinder fellow still has gen 1 odes at $199.

>>19968563
You got the v2 right? The df64.com people almost tricked me into buying a V1 for $330

>>19968638
alright thanks. unfortunately its much more expensive in canada but i will think on it

>>19968498
based. used to love pandoro as a kid, and now that i notice i've always had 'tone at christmas. there is so much shit that i never paid attention but it was never a special edition like goffee limoncello choco, 'twas always the classic.

>>19968638
one more question, how about the 1zpresso q2 s/other models from that brand? would they have better burrs? and what do you mean exactly when you say shitty burrs? what should you look for exactly for quality burrs?

>>19968712
>in canada
Ah yeah you guys get fucked up there. Completely different landscape. I think someone was just posting about importing kingrinders off us amazon and coming out way cheaper. Keep your eye on eightouncecoffee, they might do a christmas sale. I know they just did 20% off on the new varia grinder for black friday.

>>19968748
yeah the markup is significant in comparison to the us. i'll keep my eye out on that site, thanks. it currently has the cheapest price point for the gen 1 fellow ode, but from what ive researched it's highly recommended to get the version with the upgraded SSP burrs, so i'm kind of hesitant

>>19968763
my mistake, eightouncecoffee has the fellow opus, not the gen1 fellow ode

I feel like my C2 is creating more fines over time.

>>19968745
>q2, better burrs
The q2 used to come in two different versions, 38mm "pentagonal" burrs and 38mm "heptagonal". The pentagonal burrs were very similar to your c2 burrs. The heptagonal are "clones" of the comandante. Q2 was seen as the "budget king" for a while because it was basically a $100 chinese comandante and a great entry point for a filter grinder. The q2s only has the hept burrs.
>what do you mean exactly when you say shitty burrs?
Certain burrs get copied for a reason. You'll find that "c2"/"q2" burr design in a ton of cheap grinders. They're basically simpler clones of the "m1" burr in the old baratza maestro(encore predecessor). Baratza stopped using that design a long time ago in favor of the "m2" burr. 1zpresso's zp6 took that design and tweaked it for lower fines.
>>19968763
>upgraded SSP burrs
Even "high end" aftermarket burrs aren't unique in this aspect. SSP burrs are just (tweaked) korean clones of ditting/malkhonig's designs.

>>19968835
you're an autistic fucking nerd and should genuinely commit suicide

>>19968840
My coffee>your coffee. And its not even close.

>>19968677
>df64.com
Avoid that shit like the plague

>>19968863
Sad

>>19968810
take it apart
clean it
reassemble
re zero
re dial in
then see if it still makes more fines
>C2
just buy a Kinu M47 Phoenix

>>19968745
Kingrinder is really just racing to the bottom. Plastic body c2 for $22, q2 hept for $44.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CMPSFHV8

>>19968968
>>19969048
kys

>>19968835
okay thanks. im not sure i understood all of that, so are the q2 pentagonal and heptagonal burrs of a similar quality to one another?

>>19969048
so would this be of a similar quality to the 1zpresso q2 then? just with cheaper parts. how similar would the burrs be quality wise?

>>19969059
No, they're very different grinders. Pentagonal version sucks, was discontinued. Basically what you have in the c2. Heptagonal stuck around, got a second revision(7cv2 in the pic), is also scaled up to 48mm in the 1zpresso K series.

>Got fancy moccamaster coffee maker
>first time having a drip brewer, only had keurigs

How do I Maximize my coffee experience as a total noob? The reddit stuff seems like mental illness. I'm using Lavazza crema y aroma beans that I buy 4lbs for 30 bucks. Looking into moving to darker roasts, as I want to drink more coffee and get less of a caffeine hit. Thank you for reading my blog.

>>19969066
>how similar would the burrs be quality wise?
Kingrinder and 1zpresso are v e r y close as companies. Kin was started by 1zpresso employees and probably still comes out of the same factory, just either second quality on the burrs or they don't go through a extra polishing or something that would drive up the cost. Little cheaper all around.
>similar quality to the 1zpresso q2
I'd imagine that new P2 is nearly fucking identical to the new plastic 1zpresso Q air.

>>19969093
>fancy moccamaster coffee maker

Which coffee for this feeling?

>>19969114
indian

>>19969095
it's just coffee. kill yourself you fucking autist

>>19969155
You seem upset. Probably because you drink shitty coffee.

>>19969165
NTA but I want to drink good coffee. spoonfeed me your setup and beans you use. I'll just copy you since you seem to know what you're doing.

>>19969114
Eat more fibre

>>19969178
I've got one of these with ditting lab sweets and a kinu m47 phoenix. Mainly drink my own roasts. Currently sipping on some ethiopian honey espresso. m47 phoenix is a phenomenal grinder at ~$200. Pair it with any brewer/method and you'll be very happy.
https://youtu.be/eoiMTA8PS9s
https://youtu.be/JusnB2Zw4Vc
https://www.allycoffee.com/coffees/koke-honey/

>>19969218
What would you recommend grinder wise that would be cheaper?

>>19969299
Kingrinder k4 has a "similar" burr to the m47 but way worse build quality. Can't comment on the cup quality difference but people seem to like them, other than the disassembly/cleaning being a bitch. Everything is pinned together with a c-clip that people end up dropping and losing. $88 on us amazon with the coupon. More expensive elsewhere.

I'll drink any coffee with no comment but god damn, I had some drip brew at my friend's house today and it tasted like a fucking ashtray.

>>19969327
What do you think about this grinder? It looks very similar to the k4 https://share.temu.com/EbxNn1quD2A

>>19968482
I feel like I've got a little mad researching coffee grinders

>>19968482
Does anyone in canada have or know how to find discount codes? Im specifically looking for discount codes for eightouncecoffee

>>19968482
Commandante c40 - worth the hype?

>>19969048
holy fucking kino. bought.

>>19969487
what have you ended up with?
>>19969547
no
>>19969557
its ok

Too many coffee grinders. I have a cheap electric blade one right now. I only make drip brew in large 8cup pots. I like dark French and Ethiopian light coffee. Looking at a C2 Max, ad I can do 60g and that's just right for 1L of water, so it would just take two grind cycles to do a pot. How long does grinding 60g take, like a minute?

>>19969960
you should buy a rok
:3

i did it again.

started with the natural gedeb. whole and after grinding it reminded of strawberry milk. after brewing it did have the sweet tea and strawberry notes, with grape coming and going. nothing on raw honey.

>>19969976
Too expensive. 100 bucks top.

Had my delicious and effortless morning cup of Nescafe® Taster's Choice® and ready to start the day :)

>>19969984
Nice exploitation beans

Maxicomf day bros

>>19969984
>>19970000
as it cools i get more grape and the honey finally shows up

So my grinder that was made during ZSSR kicked the bucket. Had more sentimental value than practical one.
What is the current meta for slightly better than good enough in Europe ?
Keep in mind it will be used with jury-rigged overclocked Delonghi espresso machine which explodes occasionally.

>>19970016
baratza encore

>>19969114
Gross.

New cuppa
Mk ceramics
190ml

Shape is terrible for swirling

>>19969999
Do you add anything? Cream and sugar turns it into a delicious sweet treat.

>>19970056
he bought?

>>19970098
I just drink it black

>no chinks make good cheap 54mm dosing rings
Fuck

need spresso cups, thoughts?

>>19970300
>1.7dl

>>19970300
I've thought about buying Chinese teacups before for espresso

>>19970006
>tfw I don’t see the snow here in Milan since 2021 iirc

>>19970300
get clear ones so you can make layered drinks and see how neat they look

>>19970307
huh, yeah, you're right, good call. there's a white and black version which are 120ml tho
>>19970424
yeah but after they've been in the dishwasher a few times they'll be all chalky and I'm too lazy to maintain shit, glazed ceramics are pretty forgiving, and I don't think it's necessarily uglier than double bewelled glass, just its own thing. also I only pull espresso, not much of a milk drink enjoyer

>>19970020
Is this just the best there is for a reasonable price? Really want to get a handgrinder for the aesthetic, but not gonna grind shit for 4 minutes, that's just ridiculous. Its for drip brew

>>19970463
You can grind espresso in a decent hand grinder in a minute. Filter will be much quicker.

>>19970492
I'm doing only pourover/drip. The C2max does 30g per grind, I need to run 60g for 1L of brew in the morning and afternoons. If this takes too long, there is no way my wife will want to do it.

>>19970511
If speed is an issue why are you looking at 38mm burrs?

>>19970519
Because I don't know shit about burrs. I just want to make tasty coffee and I need a decent burr grinder supposedly, rather than a bladed one.

>>19968482
I only drink instant coffee, but I just wanted to say that the muffin in the OP looks top tier and I'd love to eat it

>>19970548
>muffin

>>19970551
yeah

>>19970511
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BN7S2S98/

>>19970540
Big cone do more work in less time/effort/rotations. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
>>19970581
Why would you ever buy this when a k6 is basically the same price?

>>19970591
larger capacity and often goes on sale as well. also has a better brush ;)

>>19970613
>Are you still complaining the bean capcatiy too small?
Really inspires confidence.

>>19970627
do you believe everyone who replies to you is the same person?

>>19970634
It's from the Amazon listing dipshit.

>>19970644
i accept your concession

>>19970666
Pigeon plays chess, more at 11.

>>19970591
If I shouldn't buy the one he linked or the C2 Max, what should I get? I googled k6 grinder and a ton of different ones came up. If you mean the one that's 180 bucks right now, that's twice the price, not "almost the same". I can find the C2 max for $60 as well.

>>19968482
Nespresso shill here, I love 50/50 coffee milk with 2 teaspoons and a half of sugar (at home). For context.
Well I have like 2 medium sized "lattes" from nespresso Pro machine at the office. It costs like fucking 3k lmao. Well those coffees actually suck dick and I enjoy the ones I make at home way more.
Well finally what I was wanting to tell you the rest is for context.
They released "frosted caramel nut", I had it on vertuo capsules. And it's the only coffee I've really enjoyed so far. Maybe it's cause I had it in 1/3 the size with equal amount of sugar, idk. But I enjoyed the fuck out of that coffe.
/end of blog

>>19970682
$99 with the coupon. K4 is $88. K6 will have a bit more flavor separation and less 'body' than the k4, but grind marginally slower. It's a bigger, significantly more Chinese comandante. Kingrinder makes grinders, conqueco seems like they put their branding on heated jackets. I'd go with the grinder company.

>>19970715
>$99
>gigantic capacity
>rave reviews
>can attach a POWER DRILL to it

Holy fuck, thanks dude. Just bought it. This is my first grinder besides my 15 dollar hamilton beach bladed one.

>>19970373
>already raining
tomorrow will be maxishit day though things have to stay balanced

>>19970735
>15 dollar hamilton beach bladed
You're in for a treat. Just be very careful when/if you take it apart for cleaning. Anons here have lost the little clip that holds everything together.
https://youtu.be/8-OuFtFiLKs

How often do you need to take a grinder apart and clean it if you're using the same kind of beans? I imagine you'd do it each time you switch beans.

>>19970783
>You're in for a treat.
Is it really that different? I mean, its what I hope actually happens. These are the beans I'm using now. My brewer is a basic moccamaster drip brewer. From what I'm reading, I just set this grinder to 60 or 70, grind 60g, use 1L of water, and I should get my mind blown?

>>19970835
Yep. Your blade grinder is randomly chopping beans up so you're left with an assortment of chunks and dust. You can't run it any longer otherwise you'll just be turning the chunks into more dust. Food cooks more evenly if your ingredients are of a similar size. A burr grinder feeds in beans and mills them down smaller and smaller until they drop out the bottom. You're still going to get some fines where the beans are breaking, it's just going to be so much more of an even grind, and with all the adjustment you need to dial in. No more shaking the hamilton beach and hoping for the best.
>>19970814
As often as it makes you happy. An anon last thread managed to gunk up his df64 within 100g of oily beans.

>>19970814
depends on the beans
washed to washed is whatever
but if you have been drinking natural or fermented for a while then you might want to give it a clean before going back to a washed
but regardless, you should do it once every 6 months or so

>>19968482
Thinking about upgrading my fellow odes burrs to the gen 2. Anyone have any experience with the gen 2 burrs? I hear it's a noticeable improvement

>>19970835
ive never had any of their dark roasts, i just do their biweekly coffee club thing

>today is robusta day

Oh bros I can’t wait to taste pic related in 11-12 hours.

>>19968482
is costco coffee any good?

>>19972023
no

>>19972023
no
t. tried their 2 lb ethiopia bag and suffered through it for a month

is it weird to brew in a french press with pour-over/drip grind, then pass through a V60?

>>19972037
>>19972039
Ok thanks it looked sussy

>>19971902
835m robusta kek. For that extra woody flavor.

>>19972174
tbf its 835-1200

>>19972174
This is fine robusta, it’s like specialty arabica grade but for robusta.
People who tried this one are enthusiastic, let’s see.

>>19972328
Sounds like the Guatamala robusta jew is pulling one over on you.

>>19972328
>woman coffee project

>>19972349
If someone posted a bag from The Barn with a rainforest alliance stamp he'd lose his fucking mind.

>>19972356
dont temp me like that

>>19972349
>not wanting women picking your coffee which is a surrogate of being in the kitchen

Ngmi

>>19972342
https://www.helenacoffee.vn/what-is-fine-robusta-facts-everyone-should-know-about-fine-robusta-helena-jsc/

>>19972394
>Robusta jew invents new way to sell same crop for more
Bro this is a different strain bro uts a different this is fine robusta bro this isnt robusta different strain this will not taste like rubber and pencil shavings bro trust me

>>19969155
>complains about coffee autism on the coffee general of 4chan
Weird

>>19969155
>>19972470
It's Big Tea in an alliance with Folgers and Red Bull

>>19972061
bit creative

>>19970020
Looks nice, but do you know something that I can put portafilter handle on and it grinds into that ?
I am lazy I know.

>>19971902
blessed moment in a few minutes

>>19973032
First brew, 1 cuppa reducer on my moka and JX Pro @ 1.5.2 because medium roast.

Yes, I can smell the robusta because there’s a woody smell from the moment I opened the bag and even more so when I started grinding it. A lot of static too.

The main smell notes are terrain and wood, but they’re pleasant and I can sense something akin to pepper and incense.

Since I’m at the beginning of the dialling in process, this first try may not be accurate also because I didn’t adjust the grind for the quicker 1 cup brewing on my moka, so I will modify the grind size as I brew other cuppas.

There’s the classic dark and sticky robusta foam, plenty of it, and from the moka pot as it brews the goff you can smell wood and very dark chocolate/cocoa.

It’s my first 100% robusta so I don’t know what to expect but I was sure to be strong and bitter, however I was wrong because it’s absolutely not bitter at all, in fact it’s sweet (!) yet there’s a bit of astringent mouth feel that balances it out, then the overall taste is a bold and round woody, nutty profile with the same hints I smelled of pepper and incense that reminded me of Indian goffee.

The notes on the bag says that there’s honey and almond notes too, I will adjust the grind to find them, even though I’m not sure if by increasing the extraction time (3 cups reducer) will give me a full extraction, so after dinner I’ll keep the same grind size but make 3 cups.

Fun times ahead bros.

Instagram retard buys woman rainforest robusta. Can't figure out why the algorithm has him filtered.

>>19973439
Obsessed nigger can’t stay 1 single day without obsessing over his not corresponded love (sorry I’m not gay) and goes on coping by spending 200€ on the barn coffee roasters with extra leftist AIDS.

Many such cases, sad.

>>19973444
Buddy you're the one happily paying extra to advertise your support of women farmers and rainbow ngos. Wear it loud and proud.
>This is fine robusta grown by the gay children of impoverished hondurans. Every bag comes with a gold star sticker and a 40% markup. Together we can change the world!

>>19973375
Based hunnit robussin' cherry pop. With some goffeetone must've been divine.

>>19973482
Except that I’m doing that for Colombia and not for my own country

>>19970699
>0 replies
considering suicide

>>19973582
og>vertuo

<3

>>19973582
>turbo shots with Nespresso :|
>turbo shots with Flair :O

Amazon has the new version of the Gaggia Classic Pro Evo marked down to $400 new, and I'm tempted to pull the trigger on one. No PID still unfortunately, but I can always upgrade that later, and the improvements they have made out of the box seem pretty nice, and having warranty and milk steaming at $400 rather than fucking around with secondhand machines or whatever seems worth it.

>>19973559

>>19973585
I just heard the exact same take yesterday, and I must confess that I was shocked.
To be fair most of their coffees ar so trash that it's hard to tell the difference. And if I have to choose I'll choose "trash but with coffee foam" which is what vertuo is
Once that said, yes, try frosted caramel nuts if you want sweet coffee lattes

>>19973594
>Flair
lmfao, what is this poorfag cope, 2bh, I have coffee out of the professional nespresso business to business machine which costs like 3k+ and it is still trash

>>19973594
Kek

>>19968482
How does a home made cup of coffee made with a good grinder and brewing method compare to say, an americano at a coffee shop?

>>19972942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBJCGD5Cenw

>>19974113
>compare to say, an americano at a coffee shop
incomparable
get gear + good beans + good technique = light years ahead of any cafe.
cheaper(in the long run) too

is the croissant guy here?
have you made any almond croissants?
i had one this morning from a french bakery(actually owned and run by french people, not vietnamese) and it was really good

Good mroning

>>19974173
Never tried.

I've paused making croissants because now it's panettone season and can't eat both, will get back making them in january but I'd rather try making Italian cornetto and sfogliatella because french croissants are too buttery and I just want them to be plain and simple, otherwise they'd be overkill for me.

>>19974113
Depends on how good your setup/technique is, how good your local cafe is, and how you're brewing. A pourover brew and an americano are fundamentally different types of coffee for example, so unless you've got the setup to make espresso at home to make your own americanos, they're not even really comparable.

What kind of coffee do you like?
How much are you willing to invest? (time and money)
Do you want a new hobby?
Do you even understand what you do or don't like about the coffee you currently drink?

>>19974196
I envy you

>>19974243
>too buttery
the french are crazy bro, its just butter soaked in butter with a butter glaze and butter sauce
tasty tho
probably bad for my diet that i live above said bakery
wake up every morning to the smell of fresh baked bread...

>>19974247
I hate how I can never get a clear answer here lol.

I guess what I'm trying to ask is will the coffee I make at home with a good grinder and my novice skills out compete what I can get at a coffee shop where they have top of the line equipment?

Also, are stainless steel mesh pour overs a good choice?

>>19974326
Yes. You're just not going to do it with costco beans. If you're buying good beans, there's no reason you can't make better drinks than a shop. The shop is trying to shuffle as many people out the door as quick as possible. You've got all the time in the world at your house.
>stainless steel mesh pour overs
No, unless you want a bunch of silt and oil in your cup. Those are for the ecowarriors and those too lazy to throw away a paper filter.

>>19974326
>I hate how I can never get a clear answer here lol.
LITERALLY FUCKING KILL YOURSELF YOU WORTHLESS BITCH ASS NIGGA
I LITERALLY GAVE YOU A CLEAR ANSWER
HERE I WILL LINK IT TO YOU AGAIN
YOU FUCKING RETARDED BLIND CUNT
>>19974164

get the fuck out of my thread.

>>19974347
Can i put a filter inside? What is a good inexpensive pourover device? Preferably not plastic

>>19974361
I didn't see it, chill

>>19974278
It was pleasant

>>19974429
>I didn't see it
its literally linked to your fucking post?
why make a reply saying "I hate how I can never get a clear answer here lol." when you didnt even bother to fucking check for replies on your own post?

needs to be spoon fed, lazy, and blind.

i think the tea general is more your speed kid.

>>19974429
People like you are a blight, other guy is right. Someone bothered to write you a bunch of good insight about whether you should arguably waste your money on something you don't find value in or not. You're an ungrateful cunt, go away.

>>19974426
Im thinking of going with the ceramic hario

>>19974326
I have a breville duo temp pro and a k4 hand grinder. My setup cost me ~$400 total since I got both on sale and added a couple of "nice-to-have" extras like a puck screen, a dose funnel, and a WDT. Not high end equipment by any means, and not a very high barrier to entry for espresso.
I don't go to the local cafes anymore if I can make my own coffee at home. The quality of coffee they give me for my $5-7 is an embarrassment, and I can spend maybe five minutes at home making something better.

>>19974426
Porcelain v60 on amazon for $21+. Glass Kalita wave for $27 amazon. Origami on slowpoursupply for $40. Cone filter, flat filter, or the origami can do both. If you want a "steep and release" v60, Hario switch for $35 on amazon. I use my origami more than my switch.
>>19974441
>Spoonfeed me answers
>Nooooooooo not like that
inb4 is porlex good?

>>19974472
Does the shape of the pourover affect the taste of the final product? Im noticing the hario is very pointy and conical whereas the kalita seems to have a more flat bottom

Also the porcelain hario is twice that in canada

Coffee makes my balls ache. Anyone else get that?

>>19974361
I'm LMAO'ing @ ur tantrum.

>>19974481
>shape of the pourover affect
Yes. Different geometries will also affect things like flow rate. Filters also play a role. Some are faster, some are slower, some intentionally clog. This kadou m1 will brew differently than a v60 with the same filters. Wider cone, bigger bottom opening, very different "ribs". All lead to a different flow. The bone china m1 will also be different from the normal one. You're doing chemistry in your kitchen, a coffee shop wagie is trying to get through their shift without getting bitched at too much. Different worlds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7G7gAber7Q
https://coffeeronin.ca/collections/brewers/products/kadou-m1-dripper
https://coffeeronin.ca/collections/brewers/products/kadou-m1-dripper-bone-china

>>19968482
Question for you fags
I need an electric coffee grinder
I'm thinking either getting
A: one primarily for espresso and one primarily for drip/pour over or
B: just getting one that can do both.
Which should I buy in these scenarios?
I want to stay under 1000 if I get two and under 750 if I get just one

>>19974583
If you're willing to swap burrs when you want to switch consider the niche duo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEJnoRCiUJE

>>19974583
Niche duo is probably your best bet. 2 swappable 83mm burr sets, one filter, one espresso. £649.00 before shipping and taxes and shit. Toss in whatever ssp burrs you want later.

>>19974326
>can I get better coffee from worse gear and novice skills than from a coffee shop with better gear and indeterminate skills
Are you retarded?
The clear answer is this. An expert barista with the best gear will probably make "better" coffee than you can even with the same gear and lots of practice simply because he does it all day everyday. But only if they take their job seriously because most baristas don't give a fuck. But not all coffee shops have better gear than you will have.
The other thing to remember is that its all your personal preference. With your own equipment and a little practice you can adjust things to taste how YOU want it to taste and be able to experiment more to expand your pallette and even know what you're tasting instead of rolling the dice at the coffee shop. But if you don't want to spend that much time, money, or effort on coffee just go to the coffee shop

>>19974583
You're in a good range there - the recent DF64 V2 fixes a lot of the teething issues with the first one, the DF64V is also worth looking at, it's smaller in footprint and has variable RPM which might make it more flexible for bouncing between filter and espresso. Fellow Opus and a Fellow Ode might fit that budget, like the other anon says, Niche Duo will sit in that range. Vario VS3 and the Lagom Mini merit a look as well.

>>19974591
>>19974597
I don't want to swap burrs
I'd rather have two separate grinders

>>19974616
DF 83 worth considering?

>>19974619
kill yourself
it takes less than 1 minute

jesus christ i hate christmas
so many fucking retards in every thread
if this is what every thread is like for the next month im going to crash this general with no survivors

>>19974619
For a 2 grinder setup you could go for an ode gen 2 for pourover and use what you have remaining for an espresso grinder, if you get a discount somehow you could squeeze a single burr set niche duo in, or maybe get something cheaper.

>>19974626
Do you sell swappable burr grinders or something? Calm down lmao
A dedicated machine will give a better result

>>19974635
And the dedicated part of the machine that would determine whether or not it favors espresso or pourover would be the burrs. Buy two df83s. Or one and put in some 83mm lab sweets.

>>19974641
If I had to pick between a df83 and a niche duo which should I pick

>>19974644
The coffees you drink will determine what burrs you want to run. You're not going to be able to pull "traditional" espresso with the mazzer filter burrs in the niche. You're going to be able to make muddy filter with the espresso burrs though. If you're after a single grinder to do both, you probably don't want to pay niche for a set of burrs you're not going to use. A df83 with SSP High Uniformity or Multipurpose will run you about a grand. Any problems with it and you'll have to go through a distributor. Niche sells direct to consumer, but they're out of the UK so thats a potential issue. Do some homework and come back later.

>>19974694
This is my homework. Everywhere online just tells me that I NEED to get THEIR product because anything less will make crappy espresso and anything more is overkill

>>19974704
Just drink instant coffee bro

>>19974624
Honestly I have little in the way of touchpoints with the 83mm world so not the guy to give you advice there but anecdotally I'm led to believe that the actual performance or in-cup benefits of 83mm vs 64mm aren't massive and 64mm burrs are always going to be cheaper pound for pound so if you want to fuck around with different burrs in the future that's a factor to consider

>>19974765
That's unironic advice by the way. Stop worrying about this autistic crap. When you get your $1000 grinder you'll just be worried you didn't get a better one.

>>19974326
You can't get a clear answer because your question is retarded and so are you

>>19974770
>When you get your $1000 grinder you'll just be worried you didn't get a better one.
That's bullshit. I got a $700 grinder and I'm rapt every time I make coffee.

>>19974803
>rapt
t. prosperina

>>19974770
I just want to get something decent from the beginning instead of getting something cheap that will need to be replaced anyway
More autism now and hopefully less later

>>19973588
>>19974814
>Bernini
are they related?

Just ordered a gaggia classic evo pro, recommend me essential upgrades/accessories.

I know I need to get a real tamper, I already have scales that should work fine, was figuring I'd probably want a naked portafilter to replace the stock one pretty soon. Is it worth it to grab something like a vst basket right from the start?

Need ideas for things to throw on wishlists for christmas gift exchanges so I figured this kind of stuff would probably be a good fit.

>>19974837
>ims/vst basket
>cafiza bio
>citricacid
>bottomless meme
>multiple size cuppas
>multiple milk jug sizes
>knock box/drawer
>wdt tool
>dosing ring (makes the wdt easy)
>shower screen brush with spoon head for cafiza on other end
>blind filter for backflush
fun times

>>19974818
yes

>>19974865
>>ims/vst basket
looking into my options for these now, I've hear vst recommended a lot, not familiar with ims, would you say one is generally better than the other, or are they pretty interchangeable? Whichever I got for, I figure I'll skip the single and just get a double basket, any opinion on ridged vs ridgeless?

>citricacid
seen it mentioned to use this for cleaning, is the regular old food grade stuff good for that or is there some special cleaning formulation I should be looking at? I already keep the stuff on hand as an ingredient.

>bottomless meme
Any pitfalls to look out for when looking at these? I know to look specifically for 58mm advertised to fit gaggia classic, but anything else I should know? I'm guessing anything that's advertised as stainless and looks nice enough should be good, yeah?

>dosing ring (makes the wdt easy
was on the fence about whether I wanted to look at buying one of the magnetic ones, or just be lazy and 3D print something. Are any of the metal ones that are less than $20 worth a fuck, or are they just gonna be poorly sized trash?

Appreciate the recs and any further info you can throw my way

>>19974704
Are you drinking ultra light-light roasts like Apollon's Gold or Moodtrap? Or are you drinking old bags of peet's you buy at the grocery store. Two very different scenarios where different burrs will shine. One of the biggest issues with tards like you throwing money at a grinder without understanding it is big flat burrs will make shitty beans taste worse. You're exposing defects that would be masked in a blendy little conical like a Baratza Encore.
>>19974816
>want to get something decent from the beginning
That involves doing your homework and figuring out what exactly you want. I'm trying to keep you from wasting your money, or rather wasting your money in a productive way. Stop acting like a twat. It took me cancelling a $1600 preorder and spending another grand on top of that to get something I've been happy with. 8 months of extra research. The grinder I cancelled is now ~2x your budget.
>>19974837
>>19974905
Wdt tool, dosing ring. I'd probably wait on a basket until you understand more. Again depends on what coffees you're drinking. If you're after milk drinks or blendy espresso yeah VST or Big Bang would be a good choice. You want a little more fruit, vst+bottom papers. You want even more fruit, Pullman 876 or MHW3 Dex. Then you start getting into the more "modern" $$$ baskets like weber uni/sworks/wafo.

>>19974905
i got an ims cuz it's italian

regular old food grade citric acid is good. usually do 2 or 3% for descale

buy the oem bottomless

dosing ring on aliexpress magnetic for like 7 bucks

>>19974959
Okay where do I do homework because apparently nobody here (you especially) knows enough to give useful information

>>19974905
've got picrel. choose one that is flush with the filter basket. the tamper and the dosing ring go for 58.34mm size.

>>19974988
pic

>>19974959
>>19974966
good info, I'll probably put a precision basket on my wishlist and let someone buy one for me since like you mentioned I'll need to do some learning at first anyway. Was looking at the OEM bottomless portafilter and considering either that or this one for about the same price, since it looks to be pretty well reviewed and of course the wood looks nicer https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C557J1GJ

And then I was thinking something like this guy as a WDT on my wishlist too https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C557J1GJ

For a tamper I keep seeing all kinds of info about getting the fit right for your basket so being that I'll probably end up upgrading the basket in the semi-near future, I guess I should just look for a basic ass cheap 58mm solid thing from wherever and worry about potentially replacing it once I know whether I need a better fit for a new basket.

>>19974980
>Stop acting like a twat.
Hard to do homework when you can't read. Good luck.

>>19975004
Just be honest and say you don't know lmao. This weird evasiveness you're doing is cringe

>>19975000
Here's a quick little comparison between some baskets. I really like my pullman+papers but I use a 2200 hole "high flow" basket now. The tapered chocolate basket he's talking about is this one. $4 and top tier if chocolate is what you're after.
https://www.espressoparts.com/products/espresso-parts-hq-ridgeless-double-portafilter-basket-14gr
For the wdt I'd either just get one from "appamakes" on etsy or the new Ikape Spaceship on amazon. Tamper, again I like my 58.4 pullman(bought it with the basket) but its real pricey compared to the chinese junk(normcore) you can get for way less.
>>19975015
You've been given far more help than you deserve. I've already told you what burrs to buy. Now begone.

>>19975055
Lmao stop being a prick. You give coffee fags a bad name. When somebody asks for advice don't just say "go do your homework lol", either give a good resource, give some answers, or just don't reply at all. Its not that hard to not be insufferable, give it a shot

>>19975064
>somebody asks for advice don't just say "go do your homework lol"
I didn't. You just can't read and want to be spoonfed. Go ahead and read this as many times as it takes. Slowly. I went through this EXACT 83mm burr selection about two years ago. You're not getting any more replies.
>>19974641
>>19974694

what's a good way to make a decent mocha at home?

>>19975075
Yeah maybe try reading through those posts of yours and try to figure out why somebody who is new to espresso wouldn't find that helpful. If you're just going to say "go do homework lol" then at least give a place to find real information and do that "homework".
>I'm looking for help
>"duh buh idk go get help"
See how that might not be useful? Just don't reply if you're going to be that useless and then get upset when you get called out on it

>>19975204
You're not "new to espresso" you're a faggot

>>19975252
>I don't want to be spoonfed just tell me exactly what I need to know, where to find it, and make sure its digestible to someone brand new to coffee

>>19975198
The Starbucks hot chocolate is really nice. When I was a barista I was taught to mix it straight into the espresso, then add milk. I still do that.

Coffee is so expensive now I can't even afford robusta.
Even instant is expensive.

Any sweet French press reccs?

>>19974472
dont the paper filters add a taste though?

>>19974347
>paper filter.
isnt there a paper flavor? and what is wrong with oil?

>>19974326
>I hate how I can never get a clear answer here lol.
try reddit.

>>19974905
>would you say one is generally better than the other
see for yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2VHiDkkIOc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDNJ0kli-BA

>>19975372
Drink the free coffee at work

Anyone use one of those meme subscription services like trade to try new coffees? Been thinking about giving one of them a shot to help mix things up without having to individually go and find what I want from different roasters, but I feel like any third party service like that must be a scam of some kind.

>>19976244
I got a coffee advent calendar from my parents (https://www.kaffebox.no/scandinavian-specialty-coffee-advent-calendar/)) and I'm having fun checking out the coffees. It's sold out this year but it might be an interesting pickup if they run it again next year. My only issue is that it's a Norwegian company so there's not any realistic way I can make a coffee I like from the calendar into my daily driver

IT’S FUCKING HAPPENING

GRAZIE RAGAZZI

>>19975724
Biggest dipshit of all the coffeetubers.

>>19976481
Good job, Anon! What did you do differently for such an improvement?

>>19976701
seethe

>>19976719
I ignored all the recipes that said "knead until the dough is smooth" and I kept kneading until the dough made a transparent veil by stretching without breaking, then I reduced the amount of butter in the main dough from 80 to 50 grams and the lamination butter from 250 to 200 grams so that I used a whole stick of butter for the whole batch. Also, I glazed the finished croissants with glucose syrup made by nearly boiling water and sugar in a 50:50 ratio, but that fucked up the exterior which is now wrinky so FUCK the sugar and I'll stick with whole milk + yolk or only whole milk.

The croissant was more airy and light, less buttery, less luscious compared to the previous ones but having less butter probably helped with the final result.

>>19976481
KINO. gratz with the 'ssants

>>19976736
>less buttery
How can it be, a croissant is literally just butter

>>19976993
Proof is in the pie >>19976481.

>>19977021
it is not a pie though

Pumpkin spice today with one of the advent calendar chocolates.
>>19976481
Awesome

>>19976244
i was gifted a Drftaway subscription once and really enjoyed it
have you considered buying in bulk and freezing it

>>19977138
based choccy goffee enjoyer

>>19968482
i like coffee

>>19977138
>Pumpkin spice
found the white girl

For all the anons who have been posting about buying/receiving DF64s, where did you buy your machine from?

>>19977468
Espressooutlet is the one you want in the US. Not sure for canada.

>>19977423
>Pumpkin spice
>found the white girl
Correct I am not brown. Other people in the general are also pumpkin spice enjoyers.
>>19977418
A little treat

>>19977423
And? Is she supposed to feel bad for not being a monkey?

Thoughts on coffee brand coffee or madrenas coffee? I tried some of maderena's cold brews and they were pretty good

Here is my bed.
15g beans ground in a K6 set to 105 clicks (1 full rotation and 45 steps from zero). Brewed in a single cup tea steeper lined with generic round filter paper. Used a standard kettle and slotted spoon. 100C° water was hitting the slotted spoon, probably dropping in temperature before hitting the coffee. 225g water for a 1:15 ratio. Brewed in 4 minutes including a short bloom. Tasted okay for the beans I was using. A bit weak, longer bloom would have helped.
Thoughts?
Critiques?
Helpful tips?

>>19976736
Did you freeze them this time?

anybody tried making coffee caviar >>5366452?

anybody tried making coffee caviar >>>/wsg/5366452 ?

>>19975454
timemore french press or classic bodum

Robusta brewing time.

@ 1.6.3 rotations the chocc and the persistence of the aftertaste increased than yesterday’s try at a finer grind (1.5.2) but on the other side the initial wood taste and astringency stayed there.

I wonder if I should go even coarser or if it’s just like this.

>>19977500
Nope, not this time.

>>19977468
Espressooutlet.net

>>19977468
I ordered from Turin, since I didn't know about espresso outlet. Looks like the price was about the same, though. Should be here Saturday, very excited.

I was expecting my df64 v2 to be a lot louder based on what people have been posting but I don't really think it's that loud at all. I don't think it would wake someone up sleeping in the next room or anything.

>>19969114
What did Truffled 'Tone ever do to hurt you, anon?

>>19972407
What does cilantro taste like to you, by chance?

>>19977766
Brazilians were a mistake

>>19977493
looks a bit coarse and dark but its hard to tell from the photo
nothing wrong with either of those things ofc if thats what you prefer
if you want a stronger flavor, adjusting agitation or temperature in the main pour will probably give more tangible results than extending the bloom

>>19977774
Like cilantro. Been growing a bucket of it every year since I was a child. My half-uncle is the only person in my family I know of that has the soap gene. Notice how the guy can't get past the taste of wood in his specialty robusta? Its because robusta tastes like wood and rubber. Like intentionally drinking a cup of quakers.
>>19977758
It depends on the burrs. MPs are known to be particularly "screechy".

>>19977828
it's cool if you dislike robusta. you're still allowed to say you like coffee although you dislike most of it.

What a good bottomless portafilter for 58mm commercial style group head? NOT e61. Thankyou.

>>19977694
I ordered from espressooutlet and received it in a turin branded box.

On Monday it’s my birthday and I’d like to gift myself an espresso machine.

The budget is low, 400€ and I already have a capable manual grinder, I don’t need to steam milk. Was thinking about a Flair Pro 2 because I don’t want a regular machine that requires maintenance and stuff with descaling and cleaning oils.

Will it be ok anons?

>>19977882
I just prefer more interesting coffees. Here's what my greens guy says about his latest robusta offering. Which one of those sounds more appealing for $2.50/lb?

>>19977984
A flair sounds perfect for your needs. Go for it, Anon!

>>19977986
I wouldn't buy any coffee from this man lol

>>19977984
Lelit?

>>19973659
No, OG is way better than vertuo. I used to work for Nespresso selling Nespresso machines and ran demos for both machines. I was doing this when Vertuo was rolled out. Vertuo exists because Nestle was sick of people copying their OG pods and they couldn't figure out a way to build DRM into the OG pod machine.
The OG pod machine makes actual real espresso and does a damn good job with the right pods (purple ones)
they also last forever because they don't have a stupid spin cycle lmao

>>19977998
The pro 2 is ok?

>>19978014
I was looking at either an Anna PID or to wait and shed extra money for the Grace (57mm portafilter) but the problem is that I don’t have space and I don’t want to do the maintenance because I’m a lazy fuck, also the Flair gives me more control so why not.

>>19978033
la pavoni?

>>19977525
No Zwilling cuppa?

>>19978047
I still haven’t removed them from the box, they’re sitting on my desk since the day I received them.
It’s a bad moment for me, I have health problems and I’m in pieces from the related depression, I stay up at night and sleep all day, I leave my house only to see the doctors, for the last 4 years it’s been like this.

I’m alone, I have no friends and I cope with posting and talking about food and coffee because they’re the last things I enjoy.

I don’t know how long I will last.

>>19978037
Some anon told me to avoid them for the hard thermal management compared to the flair, also they cost 2x the Flair iirc so they’re out of budget

>>19977984
>>19978033
I don't have one, but the Flair Pro 2 seems like the sweet spot in their lineup. Not as bulky and expensive as the 58, comes with pressure gauge and nicer build quality than the classic and neo without paying too much extra. You can always sell it if you want to upgrade to something higher end later.

>>19978094
Thanks anon, I don’t think that I will need anything more but it’s a start.

>>19978074
The cure is trabatticum, but it will always be just out of your grasp.

>>19978074
The woman doctor doesn't help? If you want to live during the day and sleep at night slowly change your cicadian rythm by going 2 hours later to bed everyday.
What happens if you go to the sauna or when you do sport do you sweat?
Go make some outdoor coffees with your future flair pro 2 for normiegram. Go for scenic views maybe a little hike after a drive if the health allows it.
I know how shit things can be, last week ended having surprise general anesthesia and surgery after going to the ER

how the fuck do aerofags justify drinking microplastics every day

>>19968482
I hate the French Press so fucking much. You need to pre-heat the vessel, scoop out the crust, move it to a different container, and it makes such a fucking mess because the crust and the container itself are full of fucking grounds.

>>19978220
kill yourself faggot

>>19978220
>pre heat the vessel
>move to a different container
what?????

>>19978227
Everything I've read says
>Boil the water (8 minutes)
>Get it down to temperature (2 minutes)
>Pour water into vessel and swirl to preheat
>add grounds
>Add 30ml water
>Sit for 1 minute
>Add the rest of the water
>Brew for 4 minutes
>Scoop the crust off
>Use the press
>Transfer liquid to a carafe to stop brewing

And just like that you can get coffee in 15 minutes and 3 containers.

>>19978198
I’ve been living in my house since 2019 when I was diagnosed with severe dry eyes that give me pain and light intolerance at the end of years of suffering from mistery symptoms and all the doctors told me that it was anxiety and stress, then in the last 5 years I started having other auto immune shit like dermatitis, never ending cervical pain that gives me constant problems to eyesight and I feel
Like I’m drunk, my neck is blocked forward even though I did exercises and physiotherapy, all my skin is dry and my scalp and face is constantly peeling, I’m always cold and my hands are dead cold as ice, have constant sensation of shit blocking my esophagus since 2 months and so on, on top of a severe depression that lasts since 13 year.

I stopped functioning like a normal human being, I’m a living corpse that is waiting for his death.

If only I could cure my eyes my depression would be way better, but no…the more I read about this illness the more I have the confirmation that I’m stuck like this forever, and I’m only 33 years old…not 63.

The female doctor I don’t know, she’s better than the other ones but I go there twice a month because she’s expensive and when I’m there time flies away literally, also since I’m alone without friends and female company, I started having feels for her despite perfectly knowing that she’s my therapist and nothing more, but I can’t help it because my subconscious has decided to act this way.

Either way everything I do ends up fucking me even harder, I must have done something horrible in my past lives.

The flair won’t save me, sadly.

>>19978239
wtf? heres what I do
>boil water
>grind beans (two tablespoons for 1 cuppa)
>put coarse grounds in the french press
>pour one cup of boiling water in the french press
>stir a lil
>wait 5 minutes
>pour the cuppa
>wash everything

takes under 8 minutes every time

>>19977525
how the fuck do you get that low flow? what temperature?

Be thankful for what you have bros. Life is good, even when it sucks. Enjoy the holidays. Take a vacation. Have a cuppa. Have two. Try some new beans. Do something nice for someone else.
This book changed my life, maybe it could change yours too.
https://archive.org/details/siddhartha-by-hermann-hesse/mode/1up

>>19978256
Low flow? It’s fast as fuck.

With this post my personal hater will have materials to shit on me for the next months, however I think that I understood what’s “wrong” with the Giannina.

The basket has a removable piece that acts as a reducer and sits inside the funnel, it’s pic related, and as you can see when you place it in the funnel it doesn’t create a perfectly sealed surface because it has a ridge when the flat part stays up and when it’s upside down the ridge is inside so the puck is not a regular piece but has the same ridge impressed on it.

While working as intended, this removable piece cause unwanted channeling and to avoid it you have to perfectly distribute all the coffe and tap all around to get the bed flat and even, I suspect that tamping would help too, however this is what leads to incoherent extractions.

Sometimes it just bubbles super early when the puck degrades and starts channeling, other times when I make the perfect puck the exctraction is super slow, other times it’s something in between like the webm above, because it’s fast but it doesn’t bubbles, but the coffee is foamy.

On the good side, it doesn’t matter if there’s channeling and the extraction looks like shit because the coffee always taste good so in the end it’s only a problem if you want to film the extraction because you don’t know what to expect.

I was butthurt because all the other moka pots acted different but then I started appreciating this behaviour because this gives character to my moka pot, like it or not, so…it is like it is.

>in b4 dead valve and RMA

Never happened.

Watching YouTube videos of people paying exorbitant amounts of money for a cafe espresso than feeling superior as I think about my beans and setup constantly available and at my disposal.

>>19978287
Also I forgot: to slow the flow put an aeropress filter (or 2) inside your moka just between the puck and upper filter, then close (wet the filter/s before doing so).

My flow stays the same even when I grind fine, however I use a low flame.

I found $10 2lb whole bean bags at costco a month ago and went back for more and it was being sold for half off but they haven't updated the signs yet, they rung up as $5, I have enough coffee to last a year if I take it easy.
Sayonara suckers!

>>19978402
Might as well take caffeine pills at that point

>>19977493
>Brewed in a single cup tea steeper lined with generic round filter paper
dont
you can buy a v60 and hario v60 filters for like $20
also that is way way too coarse
this is a shit video and its infinitely better than your brew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HcKePQZDaw

>>19977758
what burrs

>>19977493
How does someone go to all this trouble of measuring everything out and then use the most uneven garbage grind I've ever seen, a blade grinder gives better results than that trash.

>>19975336
starbucks hot chocolate tastes identical to swiss miss

>>19978402
grim

>>19978304
we're not going to give you a medal for playing soggy cookie on your own.

>>19978493
>>19978408
Why?

>>19977917
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVZKqhWZI9s

>>19978508
>portafilter

>>19978523
you are mentally retarded
stop posting here.

>>19978532

>>19978508
I can't even imagine spending thousands of dollars on home espresso equipment when you can't even have more than 4 cups in a day before you start feeling the negative effects of caffeine.

>>19978562
oh you were actually asking about the portafilter
sorry i assumed you were not actually brain dead and asking for a "good portafilter" because you could just google 58mm naked portafilter and pick whatever one you like
i had assumed you were actually talking about the filter basket because thats what actually affects the taste of the coffee and is something that i would apply "good" and "bad" with. not some fucking handle.
you useless brain dead monkey.
kill yourself

>>19978470
the default ones

>>19978609
oh, the other anon swapped his burrs, so thats probably why it sounds different.

>>19978605
I'm not the anon asking for a bottomless portafilter, I'm the anon pointing out you're a dipshit for thinking he's asking about baskets.

>>19978622
>for thinking he's asking about baskets.
im sorry i had a small amount of faith in this person

i just simply cant imagine coming here and asking about a fucking "good" handle
i mean jesus fuck.

i thought about linking the weber unifilter but its e61.

>>19978633
I'm not sure how he could make it more clear. You just don't like reading. Weber buck would work fine but I'm guessing he doesn't want to spend $150 on a handle. He probably doesn't even want to spend $31 on a walnut flair.
>>19977917
https://flairespresso.com/product/flair-58mm-walnut-portafilter/

>>19978690
>I'm not sure how he could make it more clear.
he could be more clear by not asking a retarded, worthless, time wasting question that is objectively subjective and there is no "good" or "bad" handle, its just whatever you personally prefer

so excited to try out my new cloth filters tomorrow
never change /ctl/

so excited to try my out new cloth filters tomorrow
never change /ctg/
not sure how i made that typo but w/e im tired

>>19968482
Oh my...
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/12/study-why-a-spritz-of-water-before-grinding-coffee-yields-less-waste-tastier-espresso/

>>19978805
Pretty much a matter of "no shit, Sherlock"

>>19978805
>ctrl + f rdt
>0/0
well thats fuckin rude innit?

>>19968677
What's bad about the V1?

>>19978889
lmao

>>19968482
I have a v60, moka pot, and french press.
What's another brewing method I could try?

>>19978706
You are the worst /ctg/ poster. You try way too hard to fit in. You bring nothing of value.

Fuck it, today i'll buy a tonne and chocolate

>>19978000
The rage in other anons from me getting anything other than rubber from Robusta on the palate is laughable
Next they're going to trash beans from Yemen for being wheaty

>>19978402
Based retard, I see that industrial sized plastic wrap roll in the background, that thing is legit, had the same one for like 10 years now.

Anyway I hope you're at least freezing most of that stale shit.

>>19978605
But a bad portafilter can absolutely affect your workflow in a negative way, from a cheap poorly-made handle feeling bad, being potentially flimsy and not holding up, having a shitty coating on the metal parts that flakes off over time, to the wings being poorly made and not locking in correctly. Have you tried being less of an aggressive retard about the fact that you can't read?

>>19978256
That's what it's supposed to look like. If yours is sputtering then your temp/pressure is too high. There are a few things one might fuck up to cause that result, and a few solutions one might try:
>Less coffee
>Coarser ground
>Not tamping it at all
>Lower temp

>>19978256
>what temperature?
nta, but clearly low, I doubt he's temp probing his moka pot during the brew.

Go watch Hoffmeme's video where he breaks down his ultimate moka technique, there's a lot of good info about controlling temp and flow rate there. The basic gist is you want to start with boiling water in the chamber from your kettle, heat it just until you start to see flow, then drop your heat pretty much all the way down until you get a slow steady flow like that. Depending on your stove's output, you might not need to drop the burner all the way to the lowest setting or you might need to slightly move the pot off the burner if you can't get it low enough. You want to temp surf and find the sweet spot for your setup.

>>19978239
>>Boil the water (8 minutes)
>>Get it down to temperature (2 minutes)
Why overboil in the first place? If you want to brew at less than boiling temp then only heat the water to the temp you want. If your beans aren't burnt shit you can and should just brew at boiling anyway.

>Pour water into vessel and swirl to preheat
Nigga just fill it with hot tap water while your kettle boils then dump it right before you brew

>add grounds
>Add 30ml water
>Sit for 1 minute
>Add the rest of the water
>Brew for 4 minutes
>Scoop the crust off
>Use the press
>Transfer liquid to a carafe to stop brewing

Nah, add your grounds, add all your water, cover it and let that shit sit. 4 minutes in, give it a quick swirl so that the grounds sink to the bottom, then leave it the fuck alone. When the brew is done, press the screen down like 3/4 of the way so you don't disturb the coffee bed, then gently pour it so you don't kick up a bunch of silt. The end.

Gotta love when retards are like
>I made this dead simple process insanely fussy and difficult for no reason, it's such a shit technique!

>>19979005
This is why you're wasting away. Alone.

>>19978979
i have been here before you
and i am objectively correct in everything i have said
he asked a worthless question
>>19979042
>But a bad portafilter can absolutely affect your workflow in a negative way
ok but a PF that i love could be a PF that you hate. who is right? is it good or bad? its neither, i cant say "GET THIS PORTAFILTER! ITS THE BEST ONE!" because i have no idea what that person likes
do they like a short handle? a knob on the end? wood? plastic? metal? rubber? multiple textures? multiple materials? long handle?
what is their price range? where do they live?
im not going to go back and forth for the rest of the thread with this guy to find his personal favorite PF

retard

>>19979386
>based retard can't comprehend giving subjective recommendations when someone asks for them

You can make this same argument for like 90% of coffee gear you pedantic faggot

>>19979403
>You can make this same argument for like 90% of coffee gear you pedantic faggot
sure and i will always(unless clearly shitposting) say "personally" "for me" "imo"
same shit hoffmann does
hes never like "yes this is the best thing you can buy, go buy this right now"
hes like "yeh its nice, but what do you think? is this the best for you?"

>>19979414
Okay, so then why are you sperging out so hard about an anon asking for a simple recommendation of a "good" bottomless portafilter? People without terminal autism can understand implicitly that any recommendation will be a personal subjective opinion in this case.

>>19979414
You are the worst /ctg/ poster.

damn these coffee socks do not fuck around
that is a delicious cuppa
though i do think part of it is because i allowed that fat fuck to influence me and i do cooler blooms now, really brings out the aromatics in a way i didnt know was possible

>>19968482
bought some coffee from a local roaster today. it was being stored in a large glass jar. how bad is the coffee gonna be?

NEW THREAD
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