/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>19736509
I know.

>>19736509
I agree, it's miserable. I have no idea what the fuck happened.

>And when we do have good bread it's at a small bakery with limited hours on the other side of town
Didn't realise I was so lucky. There are two French bakeries literally around the corner from one another in my neighbourhood. One does more pastry than bread and the other more bread than pastry but they sell both, are both competent, have both trained in Paris and both were somewhat reasonably priced when last I went ($4 baguette at one, $3.50 at the other). And that's not too mention the myriad other euro bakeries here (mostly Italian, but there's this Hungarian one that mostly does bagels but also sells bread).
I haven't been to either in years ever since i discovered that Lidl baguette are surprisingly fucking good and are a mere $1.49.
t. euro in Ameriland

>ps: try going to Lidl for the fresh baked shit

>>19736523
>i don't know what you guys are talking about, i've got great bakeries right around the corner!
>*lives in nyc or dc*

I also noticed this as a Canadian cycling through the Great Lakes states. Only baguette I saw for 1400 km was in a little specialty bakery and cost 6$.
In Canada you can find them in nearly every grocery store, even in the prairies and the north, and they're like half the price (although not the greatest quality).
When in the USA it seems like your bread choice is often limited to mass produced white bread or mass produced whole wheat, and occasionally mass produced whole wheat with flax seeds.
Great selection of protein bar flavours though.

>>19736555
You can buy a freshly baked "baguette" in almost any grocery in the US. It's just...not really a baguette.

>le baguette hee hee hoh hoh hoh
They sell them at any Kroger, Safeway, etc.

>it's not le REAL baguette hee hee hee hoh hoh hoh
I don't care. Go back to yurop or kill yourself.

>>19736509
move somewhere with a Publix - boom, fresh bread

>>19736549
I never said I didn't know what people were talking about, just that I'm lucky.
And I live in neither NY nor DC. In fact, I think my hood has more bakeries than my old place in Manhattan did lmao
Everything there was Ashkenasty shit. I like crusty bread, not that soft crap.

>>19736562
>They sell them at any Kroger, Safeway, etc.
They're fucking soft. That ain't no baguette. Might as well call a sloppy joe a meatloaf while you're at it

>>19736565
Publix isn't any better than Kroger or Safeway.

>>19736573
You aren't looking hard enough.

>>19736591
OP here (not that anon). The bread in the pic is a Safeway baguette. It was the best looking one, and he's exactly right. The crust is always thin and soft, and the crumb is dense and spongy. It resembles a baguette from 15 feet away if you squint, but the textures and flavors are completely different. And it's not just Safeway; all grocery store bread I've tried is like that (never been to a Lidl).

>>19736609
>grocery store bread I've tried is like that
Yeah, as a foreigner-ish person here, the biggest thing I missed at first was bread so I started working at a bakery while I was at uni. We made good shit but it was literally the only decent bakery within several hours of driving from Princeton (casually name drop lmao).
Then I moved to NY, figuring my prospects for bread would be better, and they were, just not by much.
When I moved where I live now, I figured any place with recent euro immigration (IE not Manhattan) would have decent crusty bread like I do here, but I guess not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hFb0vAwAkM&ab_channel=ConanO%27Brien

>>19736509
This is not true for me. There's a world class bakery in my town so the whole foods and other markets carry their bread.

>>19736714
I studied in Dijon for 2 years and it completely ruined bread in America for me. I didn't quite realize how bad things were until I got back and it was like, "wait, this isn't right, what's going on here?" I spent about a year working on my own baguettes and got pretty decent results, but haven't really baked much recently.

>boreguette
Get some proper (i.e. German) bread

>>19736743
It really is night and fucking day, isn't it? People just wouldn't understand unless they they've actually been outside of the US. A friend of mine just did a trip abroad with his wife and was surprised that cucumbers actually taste like something, lol
He said that he always thought I was bullshitting about his much better food quality is outside of the US until he actually left the country and saw for himself.
Don't get me wrong: there's good cucumber and other produce here, too, but it's not nearly as common as it is abroad.

>>19736768
I actually found the difference in food quality to be way overblown for most things. Granted, I don't shop at Walmart so I'm not exactly buying the crap that half the US apparently eats on a daily basis, but it wasn't like everything was noticeably better, or better at all. They also tend to do a smaller number of things well compared to the US, where we do everything kind of okay, some things great, and a bunch of stuff not very good. Even though they tend to eat more locally, they still import stuff from all over the place - and they eat plenty of crap. But yeah, with the amount of bread they eat there's a boulangerie on practically every corner, the bread is always fresh, and I think there was only one place in the entire city that charged more than a Euro for a baguette.

>>19736743
>>19736768
You guys are full of shit if you think food in France is still good
There are a handful of government sponsored restaurants and bakeries and the rest have been ruined by communism and globalism
Food in the US--anywhere in the US--is better than food in France
The only thing left in France that's better than the US is wine and cheese, because if you took that away from the French they'd set the continent on fire

>>19736823
>>19736785
Ah. I'd not been to France in a long, long while so idk if it's gotten substantially worse but average produce quality in CH and even Italy is far better that the average here in the US.
That friend who was blown away by the cucumbers was visiting Israel and Armenia.

>>19736509
Find a vietnamese bakery or sandwich shop
>>19736851
American produce is dogshit once you travel literally anywhere

>>19736859
>vietnamese
Eh, they're not quite right, either. Still pretty good, tho

>>19736851
It's a foodie blackpill
I miss France of the 90s and the last time I went there a couple of years ago there were public murals of Che Guevara and Stepan Bandera
Most of the restaurants no longer served alcohol, or if they did, it was beer and amer-biere, maybe one red and one white wine
It's because of the taxes, you have to pay recurring taxes on all of your inventory monthly

We really do live in a society

>>19736754
Unless you live in Pennsylvania or something it's not very common to see
>>19736866
I lived near a Lee's for a while and I liked it

>>19736509
I got a baguette at a walmart in bumfuck, SC the other day. It was just ok

>>19736754
My uncle used to make volkenbrot with breakfast, I always loved his breakfasts.
He would make a whole casserole of bacon and a plate of fried eggs laid out, usually a casserole of fried sausages too to choose from.
And the volkenbrot he would toast just right, crispy on the outside but a bit chewy. It's so thick its almost more like meat than bread.

>>19736509
Skill issue. Many of the grocery stores in my city have fresh baked bread from a large local bakery that is just fucking fantastic and always fresh. If your shitty can't compete, just learn to make a baguette yourself, or go to a bakery? this isnt complicated, anon.

Europeans and their longing for peasant bread never ceases to amuse, truly subhuman

>>19737010
I was riding the subway in paris once early in the morning, and watching the euros on their way to work.
This little Asian chick sits down and takes out a baguette the size of her leg, and starts taking small nibbling bites out of it and smiling after each bite.
TLDR europe should be nuked.

>>19736509
True. I feel bad for non Americans.

>>19737015
>Saw someone having a lil bread and getting more joy out of this simple thing than I get from 1lb of deep fried red meat and salt
Kinda sad, anon. This isn't the burn you think it is.

>>19737019
>this isn't the burn you think it is
Fucking this. On what planet do you hear that anecdote and come to the conclusion that "Europe should be nuked?" I don't even.

>>19737019
>>19737028
Butthurt euro queers exposed.

>>19736509
I hate to break it to you anon, but if you ever get to know somebody with a fig tree or pepper plants you'll discover that your supermarket fig and pepper spreads are even more shitty than their pseudo-baguettes.

>>19737063
I'm well aware that most homegrown stuff is much better than what's in the grocery store. But no, those fig spreads and pepper jellies are much better than grocery store bakery bread. What exactly was the point of your post other than coming into another thread and screeching, "make it yourself!" for absolutely no reason.

>>19737072
To call you a retard for claiming that nearly anything in the grocery store is all that good.

>>19737072
>those fig spreads and pepper jellies are much better than grocery store bakery bread
They are much worse than grocery store baked bread, you just don't know any better.

>>19737028
In his defense, Europe needed to be nuked even before the incident in the anecdote.

>>19737081
So you make all your own cheese and bread and preserves? That's cool. Sometimes when I find a product I like I buy it again, even if it's imported form Croatia, or Italy, or California. I don't like to buy grocery store bakery bread because it is not a good product.

I live about two blocks from a bakery, so that's my recommendation to you

>>19736519
american obsession with pullman loaves and convenience

>>19737028
faggot euros seething as usual, kek

Anglos peoving they are not truly white by their inability to make a decent bread.

>>19737428
>itt: seething turdies

>>19736509
Take the breadpill and make your own. Fresh homemade bread with butter is one of life's greatest joys.

>>19737422
This thread is literally Americans talking about the lack of good bread in America. Pretending we have good bread when we obviously don't just because of /bant/ nonsense is stupid.

>>19736509
What shithole do you live in where you can't get good fresh bread?

>>19736509
Don't buy anything from Humboldt. Arcata and Eureka are crack towns. Beautiful area, and I would love to live there again, but there is far too much of a drug and homeless problem for me to go back.

>>19736823
You're being too kind. France hasn't been at the top of the wine and cheese game for at least 20 years

>>19737104
Notice how the "jUsT mAkE iT uRsElF" faggot always shrinks away when pressed

>>19738394
Are the crackheads taking care of the goats, or...?

>>19738383
>This thread is literally europhiles and obsessed thirdies talking about the lack of good bread in America.
ftfy

>>19738412
People who can't tell the difference between the memes they're parroting and genuine opinions always disappear when faced with any form of confrontation.

>>19738417
I guarantee OP was half-baiting when he called Humboldt Fog a "World Class Cheese". You didn't even pick up on that, though, because you don't know anything about what's being discussed. You'd rather fling shit over yuros vs murricans without being able to articulate a single coherent thought related to food or cooking.

>>19736754
>>19736509
Ok OP, all US vs. Yurop shittalking aside. This is a point where I feel genuinely sorry for you people. Good bread is a human right and as a German, even visiting other countries in Europe is often a dismal experience bread-wise.

Last year I went to Italy expecting old nonnas in tuscany to have amazing bread, yet everything we found for several days was mealy, dry pieces of shit that were already inedible on the first day. In Germany every single bakery there is has better bread and a huge selection.

Long story short: I feel for you OP. We're in this together.

>>19736509
I had this German butcher shop down the street from where I lived and then literally right next door the Americans had a farmers market. The German people sold bread and croissants and shit too which were good but definitely not made in house, but it was so based being able to go to the butcher, get meat and bread made from German sausage masters and then grab produce from American agriculture chads. They sold the land and built McMansions, and the farm stand closed a couple years back now. Rip

>>19738611
I'm from Italy but my mum's Swiss and I have cousins in Germany.
Honestly? Never much a fan of German breads outside of lye breads. Not that I dislike them, just that I don't think of them as anything even approaching something to gush over. Perhaps I should say Frankfurt bread. I would guess Germany as just regional as Italy so I can't say all German bread leaves me wanting, just what I've had in Frankfurt where my cousins live.
What I've had there has just been meh in bread form. Except lye. That shit slaps.
Also, you had bread Tuscany, lmao
Those people can't bake bread for shit.
I prefer the hard, crusty loaves from my area. Much of the rest of Italy fell for the ciabatta meme or using beer yeast rather than mother's yeast and actually make fun of us for still making and eating our old-ass style of bread. There are a few varieties done a few ways. My favourite is wood-baked semola flour "peasant's" bread (pickerel), but plain flour and gas-baked is good, too.

I lucked out and have an amazing French cafe and a German one in my area.. Florida of all places

>>19739117
You deffo did. Those baguettes actually look good.

>>19738611
German bread is literally an acquired taste. There's a reason French and to a lesser degree Italian breads are the global standard.

>>19736509
There are half a dozen independent bakeries here in the podunk Midwestern college town of Champaign, IL so I don't know what kind of shit hole you're living in where you don't have access to fresh bread.

>>19736509
Grocery store i go to has a bakery and I can get almost any fresh baked bread I want. This is entirely a you problem.

>>19739538
>walmart
>sams club
>meijer
>bundt cakes
>creme
>berries
Do any of them actually make bread? Or is it just a bunch of pastry and "boutique" donut shit like in every college town?

>>19739541
Post grocery store. That's not normal.

>>19739538
These threads are always full of europeans larping as americans and babbling about how Wonder bread is the only bread that exists in America and things like rye or baguettes or kaiser rolls are totally foreign here, it's fucking bizarre. Every town has bakeries and you can get good fresh bread everywhere

>>19739549
Yes it is, retard. Who do you think you're fooling?

>>19739541
You don't know what bread is.
See >>19736558, >>19736573, >>19736609

>>19739549
It's absolutely normal. It's just that the "bread" blows. Except for Lidl, it's bizarre that a ghetto store is the best grocery store for bread in America. Upmarket shops like Whole Foods and the like don't even compare

>>19736509
>now just to grab a nice bague-ACK!
Wegmans niggas we can't stop winning. Literally every Wegmans has a bakery section where they have fresh baked baguettes every morning. Not to mention the cheese section, lord have mercy.
At the end of the day though you're getting scammed if you're buying baguettes rather than making them yourself. For the cost of a week's worth of baguettes you can buy enough flour and yeast to make baguettes for an entire month.

>>19739575
Their "baguettes" are bad, tho.
I love me some Weggies, but I gotta admit that their bread a shit.

>>19739545
Those are just the "top results" (aka paid), that's why I said half dozen not 20.

>>19739585
Is it nice and crusty?

>>19739594
Dunno, bread is for fags. I have easy access to it though despite being an American line in a small city in flyover country.

>>19736768
>was surprised that cucumbers actually taste like something
It's regional. Food where I grew up was something like this, then I moved elsewhere in the states and the food was actually colorful and flavorful and not just full of water.

>>19736573
>They're fucking soft.
Let them go stale for a day or two then, fatso
you don't have to suck in whatever you just bought in the span of an hour just because you can

>>19739617
Stale bread != crusty bread.
American supermarket baguettes are practically just Wonderbread in a different shape.

>>19739541
>flyover with no passport thinks the piggly wiggly “baguette” is the same thing as actual bread

>>19738394
Youre a fucking idiot lol

>>19736509
I just get mine from the vending machine

>>19739538
>entirely cakes and donuts plus a Panera Bread.

>>19736509
I got lucky. The small bakery delivers to the coop down the road from me. Their sourdough is phenomenal. But also learn to bake your own bread

>>19739817
See >>19739585

>>19739823
Yeah I saw that shit lmao.
>we have access to GREAT bread

>>19739585
my friend that bread is terrible and you should be ashamed for posting it

>>19738611
Must've had bad luck, the Italians (and French) make excellent wheat and rye bread. It's just that we Germans are accustomed to Vollkorn, Mischbrot and a wide variety of sour dough that I missed in Italy.

Always love me a good ameriblubber cope thread lmao

>>19736523
that's expensive. a banquette is about a dollar in France

>>19740638
I know. : (
At least they're $1.49 at Lidl. I'm happy to pay that.

>>19736565
You mean this place? lmao

>>19736509
You should try living in suburban Providence. We basically have Italian bakeries on every block.

>>19736509
>We have everything except good fresh bread.
I dunno about you, but the stuff I get at my grocery is pretty much on par with what I can bake, or better. City dweller with minority service perhaps?

>>19736549
I've got reasonable bread here in the countryside, though yes I do need to head north for rarer breads.

>>19736573
They have both the soft big ones and the hard thin ones like you frenchies love. BOTH are there. There is an entire fucking isle dedicated to bread. Flat, pretzel, brioche, white, wheat, french, all sorts are there. Some with more commercial fillers than others. And just go next door to another grocery and you get different options.

>>19736754
If you want this shit, yeah, good luck with that. Learn to bake.

>>19741082
>hard thin ones like you frenchies love.
Baguettes are not hard, either, lmao
idk wtf they're selling at you, but that shit ain't no baguette.

>>19741082
>There is an entire fucking isle dedicated to bread.
>Americans need watercraft to buy bread.
HOW BIG ARE YOUR SUPERMARKETS?!

>>19736768
Eh, I've traveled all over the world, you are definitely vastly over-blowing how good the 3rd world has it. Aus and NZ had some interesting things, but I was not blown away by anything there (food was good though). Not to say I didn't learn a thing or two in my travels - Belize taught me that grilled (charcoal) lobster tail is the best there is, and I thought cruise ship lobster tail (broiled) was the best up until then. But I don't really have a lot of "food-centric" memories of my travels, meanwhile I have a lot of core food memories of really good food from around the US. I definitely don't remember any good bread, it was all generic rolls or some shit. Focaccia on a cruise ship is my only core memory of good bread outside of the US, and I don't know if that counts.

Maybe there is some good shit in the EU, but all the brit mushy pea shit posting does not leave anything to be desired from the EU.

>>19736562
I got a digital coupon for a free baguette from Safeway and it was exactly as >>19736573 described: soft and other than having a vaguely similar look, entirely unlike a baguette. Have you ever had one, friend?

>>19741102
>AUNZ
lol
That's just America with silly accents and opposite weather and flushes.

>>19741097
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdNmOOq6T8Y

>>19741097
They are pretty fucking big, like the size of warehouses. And yes, we need little motorized scooters to get around them.

>>19741102
>brit
>EU
Who wants to tell her?

>>19741103
Again, you aren't looking hard enough. They sell crusty baguettes and they sell french bread baguettes. The former is going to be significantly more expensive than the latter, but that's okay because you're not poor, right?

I was gonna make my own thread but since there's already a thread about bread: what is the best way to store bread so that it doesn't mold in 5 days? The freezer works but it changes the consistency of the bread. Yes I get my bread from the supermarket I am an american. at least I get it from the fresh bakery section, as if that matters.

>>19741271
Dry it out, make breadcrumbs, meatballs, meatloaf, that stuff

>>19741273
I want to use the bread in slice/bun form, it just goes bad before I finish it all usually.

>>19741269
>if I just lie enough times, maybe people will believe me
Safeway.
Does not.
Sell crusty.
Baguettes.
I don't believe you've ever had either a proper baguette or even any bread from Safeway if you describe anything they sell as "crusty."
It's simply not true.

They were $1 for a glorious few years, walmart bakeries started baking fresh loaves. It depends on the store but the one close to me had uncut and cut loaves still warm enough to steam the bag it was put in around 6 in the morning, pre-covid.
just look for a loaf with todays or yesterdays date, I believe they're $1.50 now though. i get italian with sesame seeds if available
this reminds me that Albertsons always put out fresh french bread at 4PM, mom would get us a loaf and we'd eat it with a little butter.

>>19741285
Fine you win. I guess you have to make your own fucking bread, Pierre.

>>19741278
Sadly, there's but much you can do about it except buy smaller amounts. Storing it in a bag will result in fuzzy green shit all over it and storing it in the open air will make it go stale.
I'm with you on rejecting frozen bread except for lye baked ones. They seem to freeze and thaw mostly fine but are uncommon in the US.

>>19741288
lol
I'll just go to Lidl.
As said a few times already, they have surprisingly decent baguette and it's cheap. Honestly, making my own used to be the solution but ever since decent flour has gone up considerably, it's no longer worth it for me to do so.

>>19741271
Freezer is the only way. Just toast it before eating.

>>19739559
>post store
>NO YOU'RE WRONG!

>>19739598
>despite being an American line in a small city in flyover country
You already said you live in a college town, dum dum. You're obviously not enrolled there, as you're too dumb to understand that college towns are not normal, let alone "podunk".

>>19739738
I bought a baguette out of a French vending machine once. My gf was facepalming the entire time and was actually kind of annoyed with how obstinate I was about wanting to try it for the rest of the day. It wasn't very good, but it was still better than pretty much anything made at a grocery store bakery.

>>19741049
I never realized til watching a lot of nick rochefort house review videos that Providence is another guido central just like the Jersey Shore
they also have a ton of portuguese around there and southern coastal Massachusetts
>>19736509
idk bro i'm from brooklyn and have been going to the same italian bakeries for years for baguettes and pastries and shit

Pretty much every grocery store in my state has Pic related purchased from some central mega bakery with nicer shops making their own versions.
>>19741093
Are you daft? If American bread is routinely described as "soft" then a burger would naturally find other breads "hard".

>nooo muh heckin crispy carberinos!
I'll be over here eating red meat, enjoy your peasant slop. I'm sure you're very passionate about rice too.

>>19736562
American moment

>>19737015
Wow how horrific! Someone actually enjoying something simple in life rather than mindlessly spewing verbal diarrhea on an anime imageboard with a bunch of deranged incels at odd hours of the night. Oh the humanity..

>>19737422
At least our president isn’t a Chinese plant who can barely find his ding dong when he takes a break at the loo. You have absolutely no right to speak ameriqueer.

>>19741740
>Pretty much every grocery store in my state has Pic related purchased from some central mega bakery with nicer shops making their own versions.
Uhuh. And which state is that, ma'am?

>>19741459
How odd that there is literally no good bread at all anywhere on ThE jErSeY sHoRe.

You chose to live in a plastic society, enjoy your plastic bread. Convenience above leads to this.

>>19742251
Imagine being so far up your own ass that you think only you have mastered the secrets of putting water and flour together and heating them up

>>19742541
Imagine being so far up your own ass that you're incapable of putting flour and water together correctly then pretending that your resulting fuck-up is exactly what you intended and you do so with such ferocity that you actually start to believe it.

>>19736509
>humboldt fog
Ayyy that's where I live glad you like our cheese

>>19742580
Point proven, thank you

>>19736509
I have fresh bread in my grocery store (publix)
Nothing world class, but its good

>>19742695
>she said, weak-jawedly, unable to chew proper bread

>>19742753
Every decently sized grocery store has a bakery, europeans just love to pretend that americans only eat Wonder bread

>>19742765
>the eurotroon tries to flex its bread's superior quality through its four remaining black teeth

>>19742771
>she said, Walmartedly

>>19742775
>the eurotroon gives up and just starts spouting random buzzwords
Concession accepted

>>19742767
Probably most do
There's a lot of low class people who actually only ever buy the packaged bread
To be fair it last probably a month while the fresh bread goes bad after a few days, probably 5 generally
If you get the bread that all the Europeans brag about, its really good but it literally goes bad after 48 hours (I've lived in 3 different European countries). Not really good for just making a sandwich for lunch every day.
But they also have fresh supermarket bread (i.e. Lidl, some other macro-bakeries) that's pretty much the same as the bread publix makes.
Publix does actually produce their simpler breads on site (Sourdough, a 'Rye' bread that is actually a rye/wheat mix, a few other loafs), while other things are shipped in.

>>19742777
>she said, transgenderedly

>>19742781
>that's pretty much the same as the bread publix makes.
Publix bread is soft, mushy and practically crustless, just like every other supermarket "store baked" bread in America (besides Lidl).

Most supermarkets in USA have a fresh bread isle that's passable (grocery store level, same as the grocery store bakeries that plenty of Europeans consume).
If you think the bread selection is bad in USA, try going to Asia.

>>19742789
Lidl is the same

>>19742781
All packaged bread is not Wonder bread

>>19742797
Surprisingly not. It's crusty/crunchy.

>>19742794
>grocery store level, same as the grocery store bakeries that plenty of Europeans consume
Not even close because, again, American supermarket baked bread is soft and not even remotely crusty (save Lidl).

>>19742789
seems like a personal preference thing
I like it

>>19742859
Fair enough. I can't argue with personal preference. I'll say this for Publix sourdough, at least: the taste is really rather nice, just wish the crust had more crackle and crunch to it.

>>19741049
I actually lived in Providence (and Cranston) for about 5 years. Went to J&W (the bread and baking class was taught by one of the Calise brothers), and lived next door to a Portuguese bakery. It's definitely a unique place for food.

when you have good bread it really ruins the supermarket stuff for life

>>19742781
I made a baguette sandwich pretty much every day for a year when I was living in France. Yeah, if you don't finish a baguette within a day it's going to be pretty hard when you wake up, but the nice thing is that you literally can't go outside without walking past a boulangerie. This was like 10 years ago, but the baguettes at the one directly across the street from my place were 70 centimes.

>>19736509
Not sure where you hail from, but my local grocery here in the Midwest has various fresh bread baked daily, along with the aforementioned cheeses and spreads. Maybe try a better store? A smaller local outfit vs a large corporate chain, perhaps?

>>19742930
Are they crusty?

>>19736893
I love in Pennsylvania and have never seen this shit

>>19742948
How crusty do you need a baguette to be?
I'm French living in the US, and I would say that most grocery store baguettes are adequate
Yes in general they are softer, but the same is true for baguettes sold in grocery stores in France
If you want a good baguette, in France or America, you go to a bakery

>>19742989
>I'm French living in the US
You're not fooling anyone, Travis.

>>19742992
You do this all the time man are you a dipshit Europoor who can't believe that shit in America is just as good or a dipshit Amerimutt that doesn't believe that Europeans live in the US?
I'm leaning on the former because even trailer trash here can see all the fucking immigrants, at least we're white

>>19736509
I wanted to open a bakery once, but then I realized that americans don't actually want bread. They'll say they want bread, but then you open your bakery and the 300 loaves you spent all day making sit in the window for 18 hours and you're left with 300 loaves of stale bread nobody wants.

This reminds me of every rice cooker thread. There are people who know, and people who don't know but get irrationally mad at the suggestion that they're missing something.

>>19742805
>American supermarket baked bread is soft and not even remotely crusty

This is what grocery store bread looks like in pretty much the entire pnw.

>>19743093
That's one very specific grocery store that's basically what Whole Foods was supposed to be. Most people shop at Safeway or Fred Meyer.
t. used to live in portland

>>19743024
t. passportless Travis from Travis county, Texas

>>19743119
>Whole Foods
Soft bread there, too. Also Sprouts.

>>19743093
Whole Foods bread looks like that, too, but it's not remotely crusty.

>>19743194
That's why I said, "what Whole Foods was supposed to be". New Seasons actually has fresh and local stuff, but there's only a handful of locations and it's not exactly representative of food in the entire pnw.

>>19743203
>New Seasons
Actually, I think that might be the chain my friend went to work for after finishing his MBA. Lemme check.

>>19736509
for me, it's organs. i have to go to the black neighborhood to buy organ meats. what's up with that?

>>19743206
Nope. Fred Meyer.
Never been to PNW supermarkets so idk if any regional chains there have crusty breads but I've been to Kroger, Safeway, ShopRite, Publix and a few others. Not one crusty loaf anywhere.

>>19743119
Even stores that don't bake their own usually carry similar. Of the major grocers in the region the majority do have this kind of product

>>19743186
So I was right. Europoor
Sorry we made it across the pond, well I did, my brother got extradited, heh
If you make it I'll make up for it and take you shooting for the first time

>>19736573
This guy is right tho. I live in the Netherlands and I can't get a good baguette anywhere. I drive 3 hours south and voila, the perfect baguette on every fucking street in any town.

People are slowly getting used to inferior foods, the same applies for pizza. All the threads on pizza on this board.. you don't know man, you just don't know

>>19743310
Oh, I'm indeed European, but I live in the US, as was established ITT several times. You're an American who has never so much as looked at a baguette never mind eaten one.

>>19736743
Bread quality in France has drastically declined in the past two years though, now it is approaching (not quite there yet) American softbread levels of dogshittery. No longer have crunchy exteriors, and the meal is soft like white bread. I suspect the absurd electricity costs and brutal taxation of late has made it impractical for boulangers to run their providersand proper steam injection, leading to overall decline in quality. Regardless of that , learning to bake as an American though will be your godsend.

>>19739575
Wegmans is great, not because of the bread, but because it's one of the few stores you can order authentic cured Spanish Lomo at a reasonable price.

>>19744302
>Spanish Lomo
I'm confused as to what you could possibly mean by this. Pic?

>>19742615
Christ what a beautiful view.

>>19741271
You let it stale, get rock hard then break it into chunks to feed the local ducks.

>>19744312
Don't do that. Bread is bad for ducks. Give them frozen peas. The quacky fucks go absolutely bonkers for them

>>19744321
>frozen
Thawed, I meant. Derp on me.

>>19744306
Basically the cured meat in picrel.

>>19743547
I grew up pissing the Meuse and tucking into hot cancoyotte and jesus sausage
Your whole shtick is that bread in Europe is better than bread in the US which is flat wrong and you'd know that if you've been back to Europe any time in the last decade and bothered to find a decent bakery in the US
If you're a Euro in the US post your bathroom gun

>>19744321
Damn I didnt know it was bad for them, the little quackers love the stuff.

>>19736509
I think it's less that supermarkets don't have good bread and more that the contrarians won't admit that supermarkets sell good bread. I live in New England, I got 4 demi baguettes baked fresh this morning off the shelf at a Hannaford for $4, theyre good. I could also go to an expensive bakery and they would also sell a baguette.
>>19744278
American bakers use steam ovens lol, we blew up most of Afghanistan so we can have cheap energy

>>19744329
That's literally what it is. I'm not Spanish, but I speak a very closely related language to the point where I can take Spanish competently and carry on conversations.
I was confused by something named after a back muscle, but it's literally a cured back muscle so yeah.
I'd fucks with it. I'll check my Wegmans for it and see what I think

>>19744332
Based concoyotte enjoyer. Any thoughts on raclette and tartiflette? In general i quite enjoy the melted cheese style dishes of the Alp regions and Auvergne. You are absolutely right that the bread quality in EU has largely declined, though finding a good US bakery is very dependent on luck, as most towns really don't have a good one.

>>19744334
Well... "Bad" might be the wrong word. The problem is that bread provides little to no nutrition for ducks so they fill up and get nothing out of it. Eating too much bread can lead to basically the duck equivalent of rabbit starvation.
You can feed ducks bread as long as they also eat other shit, too. I just prefer not to do it at all. Sorry for the alarmism.

>>19744342
Just a heads up that you may have to ask the butcher/deli person to special order it, but yes definitely worth checking if they have it.

>>19744307
Humboldt is kind of the dregs of California, lol.

>>19744332
>"""""bathroom gun"""
>this faggot is literally asking for dick pics
Yup. You're French all right.

>>19744358
Thanks. I'll check my local Giant since it's 10 minutes away vs Wegmans being 20
Giant surprises me with the stuff they have. I got some Etorki, my second favourite cheese, there last month. Actually, my top three favourite cheeses are all Spanish: queso de Murcia, etorki and manchego.

>>19744332
Am I the only one who thinks that posting a picture of your gun on the internet is no different than posting a picture of your anime figurines? You spent money on a thing. Cool. Nobody cares.

>>19744375

>>19744374
>etorki
>Spanish
Basque, but from the French side, not the Spanish.

>>19744384
he meant y torki the retard from life goes on

>>19736509
I've never lived in a city in America that didn't have fresh bread. Even basic bitch super markets bake bread.

>>19744387
Corky. Think he's gonna be in the reboot?

>>19744351
Raclette is something I brought with me and have introduced my extended family to, it's extremely fun but Americans will not follow the rules but who cares
Open a window even in winter because if you get a couple of them going at once the it's gonna get fucking hot inside, the Amazon machines are not great
Just remember to get lots of pickles and olives and sides, potato is more authentic but croutons is more popular, or even just sliced bread
Tartiflette I haven't thought about since I was a kid, might have to give it another spin this year, I found a set of those bowls at a second hand shop in Virginia earlier this year, it was a total nostalgia bomb and I had to have them
>>19744366
The 'ick on a 'eck guy in /pol/ should make anyone here confident in their birthright unless they're some trans man with their weird elephant nose grafts lol
>>19744375
It would be if anime figures were as banned as guns
Also come the fuck on, P-01 shows I have excellent fucking taste

>>19744424
>if anime figures were as banned as guns
Guns are far easier to come by than anime figures in the US, just like it's easier to find anime figures than a half decent baguette for under $5.

>>19744429
But it's a CZ so it's good anime like Trigun not shit anime like the Sakura Diaries

>>19744312
I want to eat the bread myself.

>>19744429
It's not even remotely hard to find a shop that carries anime figures. In both cases you're just projecting your own incompetence.

I’ve noticed in the UK we more less have started to see softer baguettes. But places like Morrisons or the decent ones at Tesco are still relatively hard. ASDA I think also had them, so I’m surprised it’s not in the US either?
Are baguettes hard to make or something?

>>19736716
Lowkey af frfr

>>19741278
You can easily freeze unused portions and defrost on the counter or in a toaster/oven.

>>19736509
My supermarket (ICA Masterrace) employs bakers and always has fresh bread, all the time

>>19745271
No, it's just that Americans, by and large, do not like crusty bread. ffs, many cut off the "crusts" from Wonderbread

>>19744424
Dude you have more gun stores in your country than there are starbucks in the entire world.

>>19745526
Guns become easier and easier to get every year, but they keep telling retards that "they're coming for your guns!" and "they keep trying to ban everything!" and so retards think that they need to go out and buy even more guns, and that it's some kind of rebellious act or something when in reality they're just being swindled. There's absolutely no possible way you could claim that guns are "banned". Buy a gun is not any kind of accomplishment. It's actually kind of pathetic most of the time.

>>19736509
Make your own, bread is so easy to make

>>19745526
>>19745547
They are coming for the guns and guns are harder to buy than coffee or bread you mongoloids

>>19746069
she said, schizophrenicly

>>19746085
You're a gunless, dickless, breadlet

>>19742154
Been to plenty, I'll just go out on a whim and say all 50 states. Try "not walmart" as a shopping option.

i hate everyone who participates in the Europoor vs Ameritard debate. it's low iq, and you are a puppet of [[them]].

>>19744424
For tartiflette I know Roblochon is weirdly hard to find in the US sometimes, but a lot of places like Fresh Market or Whole Foods carry a cheese called Fromage D'affinois which has a good melt and funky enough flavor that it's very close to the same flavor once it's all cooked. I found adding a very small amount of gorgonzola near the end can add a little extra funky kick if necessary but it's easy to go over the edge into bitter territory with that one, ymmv. I just think about tartiflette more as fall/winter arrives, it's one of the comfiest dishes for me, great for the whole family.

>>19746091
she said, transgenderedly

>>19736768
I guess these are burger cityfag problems. My local farmers' market has good produce and what I can't get from them gets grown by my relatives. I haven't had a cucumber that "tastes like nothing" that I can ever remember, and the local family-owned bakery is pretty gud.

>>19736509
Cause you have a lack of bakeries with master bakers that themself form and educate new bakers. Traditional to the local or their heritage. Its mostly from a supermarket. So if you buy something at a bakery it could be the Case he uses a industrialized receipes. If he's local talk with him, let him tell you how long he do that, if it's like generations (then you mostly would know it) or....
Americans got at some point rid of their real baker masters.. It's a shame.

A real bread can feed a family. You supermarket ones not one person for one day. And that's sad.

>>19746396
He grew up in a rural area. I think he just doesn't know how to select produce. I fucking love cucumbers. I was doing my shop just now and saw some nice looking ones at the store but I didn't buy them because, on closer inspection (IE actually handling them) I could tell they would be mealy inside. Got some mini "San Marzanos" (from Dominican Republic, lol) instead.

>>19746356
>Fromage D'affinois
Yeah I love me the shit out of that
My Safeway accidentally priced a whole wheel for $23.99 instead of slicing it and pricing it for $24/pound
I bought four wheels and had bread and cheese every day for a few months
There's a local brand of brie called Origin here that would work, or just a really good muenster, that's actually what we used when I was young more often than not

>>19736509
Been to Paris 6 times. The only reason to go is for fresh baguette. Just don't get stabbed by a brown person

>>19746620
I had a similar experience with Swiss. American made Swiss ain't as nice as d'affinois, but getting two small wheels of domestic Swiss for only $6 each was nice. : )

>>19745461
>ffs, many cut off the "crusts" from Wonderbread
For literal children, like toddlers who still have their baby teeth. Adults do not cut the crust off of bread you tard

>>19746676
False.

>>19746676
Fuck outta here with that bullshit. You savages don't even eat the crust from pizza.

>>19746691
How does that refute what I said? People buy that for small children

>>19746706
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/pizza-crusts-never-dip-sauces-italian-chef-says-neapolitan-pizza-hut-papa-john-bbq-ranch-nacho-cheese-basil-a7924821.html
>“In fact I don’t even eat the crust. Most Italians know the crust is just a handle to hold the pizza slice, therefore we leave it behind, on the side of the plate, in a neat pile. It’s a great way to keep track of how many pizza slices one’s eats, like a badge of honor.”
Euroshits projecting again? Uh oh

>>19746719
lol
What bullshit. Italians don't even sell pizza sliced like that, lmao
Yet another Cletus who's never been abroad taking what some anglosphere food personality says as gospel.

>>19746736
>anglosphere food personality
>native of Turin, Italy
Uh oh! Euroshits coping again

>>19746744
Who works as a food personality in the anglosphere, ma'am.

>>19746752
Ahh I see, it just doesn't count :) how convenient for you

>>19746736
Yeah what a strange idea they have of euro pizza. I've had pizza in Germany, France, and Italy and without exception they've been served or delivered whole without being sliced. Dining in, people slice it themselves, and in takeout its left in the box unmolested. Also, people eat the crust, because it's basically extra bread.

>>19746756
>tacit acceptance of being called "ma'am"
Low T and weak jawline from all those cut off crusts, m'lady?

>>19746763
Kek.

>>19746758
What I will never understand is Americans refusing to eat pizza crust THEN BUYING FUCKING BREADSTICKS

>>19746770
The breadsticks are usually loaded with garlic butter and a little cheese

>>19746763
Why would I be fazed by a projecting retard's weak attempt at a dig after I made him eat his own dick and balls?

>>19746770
Lots of americans eat pizza crust, I legitimately have no idea where you clowns are getting this notion from. Some people don't, but most do and the ones who don't usually get made fun of for it

>>19746778
>weak attempt at a dig
Not as weak as that jawline, Rachel.

>>19746793
>europeans think jawlines and testosterone come from bread
No wonder you're all such willowy waifish pansies

>>19746782
>legitimately have no idea where you clowns are getting this notion from
Mostly from living in America and seeing it for myself, lol.

>>19746803
>source: dude trust me
lmao

>>19746763
Helps me with hormone therapy now that it's so expensive, you bigot!

>>19746782
Not that other anon, but I've known and seen many people who don't eat the crust. Yes, it's somewhat of an overblown meme, but it exists for a reason. I'd estimate anywhere between 30-50% of all people I've eaten pizza with don't eat the crust.

>>19746805
Find me a video of Italians in Italy slicing pizza into triangles, eating it and leaving behind the crusts, then.
>you won't because you can't because they don't lmao

>>19746805
Wheres your source, kek?

>>19746812
I've also known a few who don't eat it, but they're in the minority and are usually made fun of for it like I said

>>19746800
With good jawlines. : )

>>19746814
>>19746816
>Y-YOU CAN'T JUST TELL ME HOW PEOPLE IN MY COUNTRY EAT PIZZA
>now let me tell you how people in your country eat pizza

>>19746817
Not in my experience. People think it's weird to eat the crust here, especially without something to do it into.
Even Americans who don't cut the crusts of their sandwiches refuse to eat the heels/end pieces of their loaf of Wonderbread because it's icky poo yucky >: (

>>19746826
You're not very good at larping Sven

>>19746830
That's true. Which is how you know I'm speaking truthfully.

>>19746832
I believe that you're speaking truthfully about what you've been told americans do by other europeans, sure

>>19736509
I'm from NJ, shoprite would get deliveries from one of the best bakeries in the northern part of the state. And they had a decent fresh bakery. Where tf do you live that you do not have this?

>>19746834
lol
it's
I'm actually sitting outside, on my porch in the liberal Northeastern US watching my son and two other kids kick a ball around but not actually play anything. It's a nice, cool early evening, about 70° and all is right in the world
And Americans don't eat bread heels or pizza crusts lmao

>>19746842
You don't have to keep up the charade Sven, no one's buying it

>>19746839
>shoprite
Jealous.
My local ShopRite bread is shit, even the stuff from a half decent local bakery. idk if they only sell SR the shit bread or if the bread gets packaged still got and it steams itself soft during transport but it's never any good.

>>19746850
>still got
HOT rather. But you get the idea.

>>19746847
>Sven
lol

>>19746826
Sounds like projection to me.

>>19746916
Someone is projecting that they don't like crust by claiming other people don't like crust?

>>19746850
Bummer. Could be shipping, Could be your local decent bakery is also subpar? There's a lotta Italians in jersey, they know what they're doing with food I guess

>>19746991
Nah, the local bakery is pretty decent, actually (though I have to special order them to "burn" a loaf for me rather than just pick anyone old one from the shop when I go; it's not even burnt, just nicely dark).
All that said, it's getting colder out so I'm going to start baking again so it's a bit of a moot point. I don't bake in the summer months.

>>19746111
This thread was never about yuro vs murrican. It was literally an American saying that they could get everything they wanted other than decent bread.

>>19744424
seppos and their obsession with fucken guns I will never understand
>Also come the fuck on, P-01 shows I have excellent fucking taste
cringe
do you always pathetically crave validation from strangers?

>>19748701
I don't get that pic

>>19748793
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Sydney_CBD_stabbings
>On 13 August 2019, lone attacker Mert Ney committed the murder of Michaela Dunn, whom was alleged to have been involved in sex work in his apartment room.[1] After the murder of Dunn, Ney walked onto York Street, indiscriminately stabbed Linda Bo with a kitchen knife, then proceeded to jump onto random vehicles, yelling profanities and threatening civilians. After an approximate 150 metre chase through the CBD following the stabbing of Linda Bo, Ney was restrained by civilians using assorted furniture.

Turns out my regular grocery store does an okay baguette.

>>19747730
They were lying for attention, and naturally euros smelled blood in the water and started swarming in to squawk about how awful american bread is and only their countries know how to make it properly because it's not REAL bread if it's not hard and dry enough to bludgeon someone to death with

>>19748949
>not hard and dry enough to bludgeon someone to death with
That's STALE bread. Fresh bread has a nice crust but isn't hard to eat or cutting your mouth or getting crumb everywhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF5LKRNVzOQ&ab_channel=RottenTomatoesClassicTrailers

>>19748949
You are not very smart.

>>19743526
Enlighten me to the secrets of a good 'za

>>19749108
You are fuming because I'm right

>>19749313
>she said, femininely

>>19741082
>rare bread
Lol it's just bread how can it be rare. There's only white, wheat, potato, and sourdough anyway, and the shape of the bread doesn't change the flavor.

>>19749375
>the spindly 110 pound europussy projects again

>>19736509
Really expensive bread that's highly rated has been in my experience so crusty and full of seeds it's hard to eat, in your example fresh bagels are actually soft, in commercial bakeries the best renditions are the bleached clouds, making large batches of dough at home is genuinely a nightmare. I've wondered about grinding down barley and trying that at home. It's sad the "staff of life" is such an abused product that people find harmful. It's not the case when used appropriately. Ferrocacia recipes look promising. Italian skillet flatbread, without kneeding or machines. It uses olive oil to bring flavour. Maybe bread is bad because people are too cheap to use butter or oil.

>>19750271
*focaccia

>>19748701
>seppos and their obsession with fucken guns I will never understand
Again, French living in the US
And I don't need validation, I have a gun

>>19749484
>spindly
I certainly was in school and you're actually not that far off on what I weighed back then lol

>>19750308
>French living in the US
American-born American born, raised and living in the US, you mean. You really ought to fix your autocorrect, Jonathan.

Hard bread sucks and I'm tired of pretending it doesn't. I'm not a fuckign 16th century peasant who's only sustenance is a bread and butter served with weak beer. Hard bread is hard to eat. It cuts the roof of your mouth and making sandwiches out of it is a miserable fucking experience. The bread doesn't tear so you end up ripping the fucking sandwich apart and it goes all over your hands and the fucking floor. It's GOOD that hard shitty bread is dying. Soft bread is literally better for everything from sandwiches to toast and everything in between. I will not miss your shitty "rustic" bricks of concrete Europeans call "bread". There. I said it. Fuck you.

>>19750384
Very few people like hard bread. People like crusty bread. Crusty is not hard. You'd know that if you'd ever had crusty bread but you haven't so you don't.

>>19750393
Perfect example of eruotrard concrete bread mentality
>YOU JUST HAVEN'T HAD R E A L BREAD
Yes I have and it sucked.
>BUT MUH TRADITIONS
So I'll assume you ride a horse to work and live without electricity or running water since that's what all your ancestors did?

>>19750398
You've never had crusty bread, Cletus. Go buy a crusty loaf and video the crustiness if the crust and prove me wrong. $3 isn't too costly an expense for you, is it? You're not poor, right? Right?

>>19750393
You need a wood saw to cut your bread and it pulverizes a quarter of the loaf into a flurry of crumbs that flies everywhere in a five foot radius

>>19746830
Most people I know don't like to eat bread heels because they are inferior in taste and texture to eating a non-heel slice of bread. This goes for yuropoor bread too where the "heel" is just baked gluten.

>>19750423
>>19750384
Not him, but "crusty bread" is like chewing on gristle. It sucks for sandwiches or literally anything else that isn't soup unless you cut it so thinly that you might as well be eating wonderbread.

>ThAt'S nOt R e A L cRuStY bReAd!!11!
Don't even bother replying to me you disgusting yurosemen faggot. I hope based Putin levels whatever shithole country you were shat out in after the Red Horde rapes single every one of your women.

>>19744738
I can guarantee you that there are at least 10 stores that carry guns to every 1 store that has even just a funko pop in it.

>>19750730
Not even kind of true, Walmart sells funko pops now and stopped selling guns years ago

>>19750730
>>19750739
Yeah dude my Safeway has Pocky and Funko Pop shit
And acceptable baguettes

>>19750613
>Not him, but "crusty bread" is like chewing on gristle. It sucks for sandwiches or literally anything else that isn't soup unless you cut it so thinly that you might as well be eating wonderbread.
>being this wrong and homosexual

>>19750557
False.

>>19750762
>And acceptable baguettes
Also false.

>>19750762
Pocky + Funko pops =/= anime figurines
And Safeway does not have decent baguettes.

>>19736573
Why are hard crust breads suppose to be desirable? To me that reads old/stale. Also hard/unpleasant to chew and swallow. Also seems to me like they are shaped weird for any other method of consumption than dipping in a liquid (probably to combat how rock-like and dry they are).

>>19751852
>Why are hard crust breads suppose to be desirable?
False premise.
No one said hard crust breads are desirable.
>Also hard/unpleasant to chew and swallow.
False. Crusty bread is not hard and is not unpleasant to chew unless you're a jacket
>Also seems to me like they are shaped weird for any other method of consumption than dipping in a liquid
False premise. Boule, the shape of the bread you posted, is just one of many shapes a crusty bread can be. Besides that, to make a sandwich of one is no different than cutting slices off of any other loaf of bread.
>rock-like and dry
False. The crusts are crusty and the crumb (in inner part of the bread) is moist.

>>19751852
>>Why are hard crust breads suppose to be desirable?
False premise.
No one said hard crust breads are desirable.
>>Also hard/unpleasant to chew and swallow.
False. Crusty bread is not hard and is not unpleasant to chew unless you're a jawlet
>>Also seems to me like they are shaped weird for any other method of consumption than dipping in a liquid
False premise.
Boule, the shape of the bread you posted, is just one of many shapes a crusty bread can be. Besides that, to make a sandwich of one is no different than cutting slices off of any other loaf of bread.
>>rock-like and dry
False.
The crusts are crusty and the crumb (in inner part of the bread) is moist.

>>19751898
>>19751902
>No one said hard crust breads are desirable.
Alright.
>False. Crusty bread is not hard and is not unpleasant to chew unless you're a jacket
Maybe it is semantics, but the relative toughness/knife-pierceability of the "skin" of the loaf versus the the "filling" creates an incredibly overwhelming contrast in the sense of bite particularly if the inside have a coarse crumb full of gas-tunneled pockets.
>False premise. Boule, the shape of the bread you posted, is just one of many shapes a crusty bread can be.
Most artisan breads I've seen are either round boule or long batards seemingly designed to expose the maximum surface area of the dough to heat to maximize the crust buildup
>Besides that, to make a sandwich of one is no different than cutting slices off of any other loaf of bread.
Hard disagree, flat broad loaves like pic related or narrow circumference stick baquettes provide no interior structural support when sliced vertical essentially requiring large horizontal cuts that ensure a very crusty portion that makes sandwiches more bready than they otherwise would be had the same dough been shaped into a parallelogram-like form such as a pullman. This is double-so for round breads that will a high crust-interior ratio at the perimeter and much less as you approach the center, which is very inconsistent.
>False. The crusts are crusty and the crumb (in inner part of the bread) is moist.
What does the crust do? It can't keep the interior soft/fresh because they still go stale in a matter of hours unless you resort to conditioners like Glycerol Monostearate or DATEM