/ck/ - Food & Cooking

some idiot probably pulled them straight out of the deep fryer and threw them in the kids meal with hot oil dripping off them

>>19534768
le thinly veiled 'nigger hate' thread.
Yeah, OP, they're lying because they're inferior to you and because they want to take your money and the lizard people in charge will make sure they win to rob you of everything you have as part of a genocidal program designed around improverishing you

>>19534792
>le thinly veiled 'nigger hate' thread.
Yeah, OP, they're lying because they're inferior to you and because they want to take your money and the lizard people in charge will make sure they win to rob you of everything you have as part of a genocidal program designed around improverishing you

You mean to tell me that... hot food is le hot?
Because the first thing I do when I get my mcnuggies is rub them all over my body without worrying about any if all ramifications.
Fucking ypipo amirite?

>>19534792
Do pictures of black people normally make you sperg out like that?

>>19534768
>this burn couldn't have happened at minimum safe temperature
then maybe it happened at above minimum safe temperature

>>19534809
>>19534792
oh wow i guess he is the real racist

>>19534792
ok nigger

>>19534768
wow, a real life chicken nugget scoon

The coffee case was legit, I saw the burn wounds. This case is probably legit also. Fuck McDonald’s. People working there give no fucks and if you’ve ever read the cookslave threads here then you know they’re laughing about how they got away with causing serious injury to a customer without jail time. Good on them.

>>19534826
It's not his fault. /ck/'s poor posting economy made him this way

>>19534867
Seeing the burn wounds doesn't make it legit. I don't care if the woman drowned in the cup of coffee and died, it's still retarded and her fault.

>>19534883
coffee shouldn’t be served at insane temperatures that melt steel beams

>>19534883
Nah, it’s not. They were serving coffee above boiling temperatures to deter people from getting refills and they dropped it in that like 90 year old’s lap.
The issue wasn’t the warning labels, it was their shitty practice of serving boiling coffee.
That’s stupid and dangerous and their caveat to the whole situation was to add warning stickers and make that poor woman’s suffering into a multinational joke.

>>19534910
>above boiling temperatures

>>19534925
can't believe McDonald's invested in superheating equipment just to fuck with the elderly, I'm shaking and sobbing rn

>>19534892
>>19534910
Water literally can't get hotter than 212 F. There's no such thing as "above boiling temperature." The National Coffee Association of the USA recommends serving it at 185. So in your opinion, a less than 30 degree difference is enough to go from "reasonable temperature" to "insane, stupid and dangerous"?

I feel like most people who repeat this opinion are just parroting something contrarian they read when they were younger. "Actually guys, the lawsuit was right, and it's this contrarian redpill." It makes for an interesting factoid that sticks in your head, but it's still retarded and there's no way you are thinking about this case using your own brain.

When I'm at my house, I boil water for ginger tea on the stove, I boil the ginger for 10 minutes and then I pour it directly into a mug and bring it to my desk. So am I behaving insane and irrationally when I do this? Do you really think I'm putting myself in danger?

>>19534936
boil water right now, till it reaches a full boil then pour it on your lap

>>19534947
ok now what?
Lucky for me I'm at work and wearing my welders apron, faggot.

>>19534968
that’s cheating, no cheating allowed

>>19534936
>" The National Coffee Association of the USA recommends serving it at 185
This is also the temperature Mcdonald served her coffee, and still serves it today. Also anons trying to pivot into a McDonald's employee dumped it on her. This did not happen, she fumbled it after a fully successful hand-off and having it in her sole possession long enough to go park the car within the parking lot where if I remember right, she fumbled the lid popping it off, losing the structureal rigidity of the container such that it collapsed shooting then dumping the not boiling at all coffee all of herself. By herself, in her own car.

>>19534936
Water can go hotter than 212F under several conditions. You can do it at home. This isn't actually relevant to the conversation, but you're still wrong.

>>19534768
Chances are it was hotter than the 165F to cause injuries like that. Consider that the nuggets are deep fried and if the nuggets were fried right before service, they would be considerably hotter on the outside of the nugget and still be carrying the extremely hot (~350F) oil in their breading. I can very easily imagine hot fryer oil causing damage like that.
>>19534936
>water can't get above 212F
I know you know better but please dial 555-Come-On-Now

>>19534925
>serve liquid at a roiling boil
>because there is no further heat being applied the liquid begins dropping below boiling temperature
>Steams like a motherfucker but lid limits how much can be produced and the cooling is faster than the evaporation

I want to beat dumb motherfuckers like you to death.

>>19535005
>>19535029
How hot can it get then? Doesn't it just evaporate above boiling point?

>>19535167
Have you never heard of higher air pressure causing water to boil at higher temperatures? Did you finish 6th grade? Again it's not relevant to this conversation but you are entirely wrong

>>19534792
nig hands typed this post.

>>19535033
>>Steams like a motherfucker but lid limits how much can be produced and the cooling is faster than the evaporation

>>19534792
It wasn't that until you made it that. With that being said, you don't have to hate them as a whole. But you can just tell by looking at that rotten bitch she's thrilled to win the ghetto lottery.

>>19535190
Faggot I asked the board a question because I'm intrigued what the answer is. I'm not the anon that said the thing, I'm the anon that wants to know. Notice how you didn't answer the question and just acted like a tranny instead?

>>19535005
Shut up you faggot, the coffee in McDonald's cup is not superheated

>>19535212
he literally gave you an example, npc

>>19535212
Water can't get above 212 at normal atmospheric pressure, because it just turns into steam. It can get hotter if you put it inside a pressurized canister which prevents it from turning into steam. This has nothing to do with what we're talking about, these redditors are just jumping on the chance to have any kind of victory because they got BTFO

>>19534867
Enjoy your lukewarm nuggets (and all other prepared food), only way to keep them from burning the skin when pressed against it for a full minute even though both you and the person eating it both have hands and brains.

Also I understand the coffee one but this one I disagree with, they’re going to make you verbally agree that you understand the risks of receiving hot food before letting you order it.

>>19535212
>>19535240
Water can superheat at 1 atmosphere. If you microwave purified water in a smooth container it will pass 212. Don't actually do this though, it'll basically explode the second you jostle it.

>>19534768
Is that a leg wound from setting the box down on her lap? There’s no way the grease from a few nuggets are through the skin like that. It might give you a painful red spot at most

I believe it if the nugs came straight out of the 350F fryer, which would happen during a busy service
It's the parent's fault for not checking why their kid was screaming and crying for so long when they're mentally incapable of articulating it in words, she just assumed the kid was throwing a tantrum for no reason and went "shut yo bitch ass up" or something

>>19535231
>npc.
What a faggot. You have to be 25 to post here, kid

>>19534768
simply, nigs are subhuman

EMS fag here to give my 2 cents. I can't see any way that could be caused by nuggets. The worst burns I ever saw was someone dunking their baby in a pot of boiling water (in a way similar to a grease burn, they're both liquid), with about 70% of her body covered in burns that were causing her skin to deglove off her body. I've also seen splash burns from grease, water etc etc.

The burn is blurred out but I can't see how liquid could make that pattern. And I also can't see how the steam from a box could cause that before a child that age shifted it. They're either grifting or they abused their child and are trying to cover it up

>>19535373
You can look up the pictures from the court case but the explanation for the burn looking that way was that it fell between the kid's leg and the carseat. Since the kid (4 years old at the time) was buckled in they couldn't move freely or lift their leg up. At least that's the explanation that was given.

Who cares? $800k to McD corporate is nothing. The headline is worse for them than the payout. It should be safe to eat food from the drive through. Yeah, the kid dropped the nugget. Kids have bad motor control and the car was moving. You should expect children to eat children's happy meals, and you should expect food to be eaten in cars. If it's not fit for that purpose then it should be changed.

>>19535538
Do you have friends or family in the real world?

>>19535703
Like your shits nonsensical. Like none of it makes sense. >>19535538
>Yeah, the kid dropped the nugget. Kids have bad motor control and the car was moving
Yup, that's true>>19535538
>You should expect children to eat children's happy meals, and you should expect food to be eaten in cars
Okay I'll pretend that's true.
Why is this responsibility put on the business? Cause the business is just assuming the adult purchasing the product knows about this stuff. Should the business instead explain it to everyone?

why would black people do this to their children for monetary gain?

>>19535538
>you should expect food to be eaten in cars
No food is allowed in my car except for that sealed in grocery bags not to be taken out except when I get home. I NEVER eat in my car, no drinks allowed. Only filthy mongoloids consume within their automobile.

>>19535728
Is this bait? Yeah, if you're selling an object that can cause second degree burns to children, then you tell the parents that it's a burn hazard. What kind of dumb ass rhetorical question is this? They've had issues with selling too hot food for decades because of how they run their kitchens. They should give warnings and not just stand on their reputation that this is where scalding food is served. It's FINGER FOOD sold in a state that is unsafe for skin contact you lackwit, why would they ever win this lawsuit?

>>19535373

That is horrific. On the off chance you aren't larping I want you to know that some random shitter on the internet thinks that what you do makes a huge difference regardless of individual outcomes. I am truly sorry that anyone needs to see evil first hand, I hope you can find peace.

>>19534768
does this kind of shit happen anywhere else other than america?
would europeans ever sue because food was too hot? im asian and im pretty sure parents here would scold the child for not being able to handle food properly.

>>19534768
look at that kid. she's scared as hell. this lawsuit is a cover up for child abuse.

>>19535846
What is this bipedal catfish eating?

>>19535846
i would berry my dick so far in her asshole that whoever pulled me out would be crowned king arthur

I wish I got got food from Mecca's. For me it's always lukewarm when I get it and stone cold if I take it home.

I can't imagine food from there being so hot as to burn me. Must have put 10 rather than 1 on the microwave timer.

>>19535920
>Mecca's

>>19535246
>Enjoy your lukewarm nuggets (and all other prepared food), only way to keep them from burning the skin when pressed against it for a full minute even though both you and the person eating it both have hands and brains.
Yes, that is the likely conclusion of such suits and there is no economic incentive to undo it.
But why enjoy it?
Fry your nuggies at home and don't concern yourself with the mean offerings.

>>19535846
>suing is bad
It is it not. The people who do it are often greedy ugly creatures, but suing is good thing. Not sure what your laws are but in america we only have pollution because the government doesn’t let people sue over it.

>>19535915
>I would berry
Are you retarded or am i too new to understand this purposefully improper reference

>>19535915
>berry
>>19535898
ginger and green horseradish

>>19535947
don't care I'd still do it

>>19535942
there are things worth suing and food being too hot is not one of them. it is a waste of everybody's time and it teaches the child to play victim and to make money immorally.

>>19535951
You fell victim to a classic blunder

>>19535957
Bury/berry isn't a typo. It's a lack of knowledge between the difference of the two words.

>>19534768
>Nigger serves another nigger food that results in injury to the first nigger
>Nigger sues McDonald's to get money from the white man
>Nigger who caused the injury gets away free.
lmao. Easy racket

>>19536019
sure thing pal

>>19535947
new

>>19535947
>>19535951
>>19536012
>>19536019

>>19534768
microwaved

>>19536027
>>19536064
>please accept me, four channel.

>>19536080
I been on this site since you were sperm in your brother's sack

>>19536086
Newfag is a state of mind, not a state of time.
If you want people to get the meme, just fucking post the damn meme instead of spamming wojaks. Idiot.

What does he deserve?

>go to restaurant
>get food or drink
>touch it
>it's really hot
>"whoah, this is really hot! I should..."
>A: Wait a few minutes for it to cool down like every other fucking human being with a functioning brain and nerve endings
>B: Immediately start shoveling/pouring it down my face hole and rubbing it all over my skin because I'm a drooling 40IQ chimp with no impulse control
Zero sympathy for retards, every case of this should be laughed out of court

>>19535538
>$800k to McD corporate is nothing.
>to a company that's slowly going bankrupt
>to a company who's only customers are 3am friday night crackheads paying $7 for 6 nuggets and $17 for a burger

>>19535846
>would europeans ever sue because food was too hot
These lawsuits happen in America because people can't afford healthcare. Sure, in other western countries you get lawsuits to deal with long-term issues caused, but these specific "fast food lawsuits" are because families get bankrupted by one major health issue because whatever health insurance they have is almost always useless.

>>19536251
That shit looks self-inflicted. I've been hit with pressurized steam AND have had fryer oil dropped directly on my and turned out better.

>>19534867
>The coffee case was legit, I saw the burn wounds
Because coffee is hot. Coffee should be served hotter than you would consume it at, because the assumption that if you're in a car you're a) going somewhere and b) you're not retarded enough to put a scalding hot beverage between your legs. It just goes to show you how much of a stage play the courtroom is. There was no sign in the drive-thru that said "put that hot coffee in your lap, you stupid old bag!" - no, she chose that dumb shit on her own accord.

Additionally, the sum of money that was granted to her was obscene and should have been lowered to medical bills + $100,000 or some shit like that, max. She shouldn't have gotten shit at all, but if she had to get a dime then it should have been a much more reasonable sum.

I'm not bootlicking McDonalds, I am telling you that she is retarded for putting coffee - normal hot or super hot - between her legs, and that decision is the crux of the issue, not the heat of the beverage.

>>19535167
You can superheat water in your microwave, it just needs to remain completely undisturbed so no bubbles form, and you can keep heating it until something causes steam bubbles to form. Don't do this, obviously, as you'll end up getting scalded. Keeping water liquid is just a function of pressure, a pressure cooker will have water boiling at 240F which is why they cook things along faster. The inverse is true, lower pressure lowers the boiling point.

>>19535275
This was some retarded kid or just mute?
if retarded then I say the blame goes on the state for not putting her in a facility where she could be properly looked after

>>19536465
Oh wait I see they were 4 at the time that makes more sense

>>19535525
Given McDonald’s foods propensity to cool as fast as fuck I genuinely have a hard time believing this

>McDonald’s food
>hot after 2 minutes
This was just child abuse using a faceless Corp as cover

>>19534867
The burns suck but... that's what you expect if you spill a drink made with boiling water on you.

People like to highlight the case and say "actually McDonalds were dicks and the woman was a victim" but it's just a case of a sympathetic litigant and unsympathetic defendant. It's widely recognised by legal experts as a terrible case that should have never been won and the outcome has never been replicated.

If you want a bit of a read, there was a UK ruling on an identical case (with pretty much the same evidence) where the judge completely tears down the arguments that people use to defend the case: https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2002/490.html

amerisues lmao

>>19535525
Car seats don't immobilize kids' limbs like a psych ward gurney lmao who the fuck do they think they're fooling

>>19536511
Seriously, the real freak 0.00001% accident here is that the food was hot when served, mcdonald's food turns to ice cold cardboard within 5 seconds of purchase.
>>19536551
>There was a UK ruling
The UK is the only country on the planet with a goofier legal system than the USA, nobody cares what they rule about anything.

>>19536452
Finally an answer.

>>19534936
>So am I behaving insane and irrationally when I do this?
Firstly, you're standing up and able to take your pants off quickly, not driving a car. Secondly, you're pouring boiling water into a cold mug and losing some heat in the process.

But yeah if you spilled it directly on your pants and left them on you might get burns. Have you ever done it before? It blisters the fuck out of your skin if there's a lot of water and you're not able to get the clothing off quickly.

Take a real look at the average McDonald's customer and you'll agree that they should be making their food and drink even hotter for the sake of social Darwinism.

>>19535947
>>19536019
retard

>>19536802
agree
hotter and more arsenic-y

>>19535773
Must suck driving for six or so hours without being able to drink anything

>>19535947
N E W F A G

>>19535846
We have a law dating back to Roman times in Europe. It's called the Bonus Pater Familias principle and states that every citizen should behave like a good father of the house. People who sue for this kind of shit get a hefty fine and can fuck off.

>>19534883
Ok to anyone who is a wagie. Despite what you might think Macdonald's has a duty of care to it's costumers. And they lost not because of "she should've put it in a cup holder", but because macdonald's showed such a level of disregard of safety that it was a breach of that duty of care. And oh fucking God did their lawyer a shit job at representing them.

>>19536864
Duty of care doesn't mean duty to babysit.

>>19534782
Nah, the worker would have had to throw the nugget at the kid right as it came out of the fryer for this to happen.

>>19534883
>simping for a mega corporation in 2023

>>19534782
Thread should have ended here. I've never worked fast food, but I've seen a ton of young/poorly trained cooks being lazy/in a hurry and not bothering to let the food drain at all after being pulled up from the fryer. And sous vide is the only cooking method where the heat being applied is the same as the final internal temp.

>>19536882
There are many, many accidents that can result in spilled coffee. The one with get vagina getting burned off was just one of many. There's no reason to serve coffee hot enough to melt flesh. You want your coffee that hot? Reheat it yourself. Take the risk on as your own. Use a thermos to hold temperature longer. Ezpz.

>>19536230
Why not warn him he is putting them in wrong

>>19535938
Have you seen the threads here? Half of them are made by children that are afraid to learn to cook or are too lazy (with copious lake excuses) to learn.

>>19536230
How come every character assassination against a person the establishment doesn't like involves painting them as some barely-sapient chimp who struggles in day-to-day life? Trump, Putin, Elon - it's getting a bit stale. Also, real toaster pros know you can lift up the toaster lever to reach your pop tarts better.

>>19536912
Presumably they're talking about Elon Musk. He's made his fortune by marketing himself as some kind of tech genius (obviously he isn't). If the guy can't figure out a literal toaster he has nobody to blame but himself.

>>19535167
add salt, lmeo

>>19534768
>according to FDA standards
McDonalds doesn't a give a shit about FDA temperature standards. If they did that granny wouldn't have melted her fanny on that coffee way back when. It's more cost effective for them to eat the fines than it is to constantly regulate their temperatures.

>>19536812
I'll stop and get out to eat something if I need to. And I don't drive for 6 hours because FUCKING HATE traveling.

>>19536973
No wonder you hate traveling if you constantly dehydrate yourself like a loon. No water? No easily resealable bottles? A hydrated person should piss once an hour or so. I love driving into the middle of nowhere to explore nature so people like you look like freaks.

>>19534936
Put water in a pressure cooker. Now boil it. Congrats, you heated water to 240 °F.

>>19534883
Sorry to break it to you pookie, but a jury of 11 average Americans and three midgets in a trenchcoat decided that trial. Average people who saw a lot more evidence and heard a lot more testimony on the case than you did. And after seeing what they saw and hearing what they heard, they decided that she deserved the money. Let's be honest: it's not like juries never side with corps. They do. But this time, they didn't. And that's good.

>>19534936
>a less than 30 degree difference is enough to go from "reasonable temperature" to "insane, stupid and dangerous"?
A "less than 30 degree difference" is the difference between chicken soup from scratch taking 1½ hours of simmering in a normal pot to 30 minutes of simmering in a pressure pot. And if that concept still seems too difficult to understand, tell me how mid-April weather feels compared to early-January. That's also a 30ish degree difference. You fucking idiot.

>>19537028
Does McDonald's make their coffee in pressure cookers or do they just boil water normally?

>>19536206
Knowing a meme used to mean something. I remember the days when if you didn't understand a reference on here you just never would. I came to this website right after the Habbo raids and I remember not knowing what the fuck everyone was talking about, and it was part of the allure. Jesus Christ, that was 17 years ago

>>19537049
Right? A shower is about 100°F.
127° water will cause third degree burns after about 45 seconds of skin exposure.
That's the same difference between a 185° recommended brewing temperature (not serving, like that fucking moron claims) for green tea (coffee is 195°, yet another detail that faggot got wrong; it cools to about 185° once it's finished brewing but optimal serving temperature is 140° and drinking temperature is 120°, which is why people fucking wait a bit for that shit to cool before sipping on that motherfucker) and 212° boiling water. Imagine how long skin would be exposed to 212°-soaked trousers and pants as someone flails about in pain trying to take them off.
And even if you like your showers very, very hot that still doesn't change the fact that a relatively short amount of time exposed to 127° water will cause third degree burns, never mind temperatures much, much higher than that. 140° causes a third degree burn in five seconds, ffs, and 150° in two.

>>19536899
Saying that the coffee verdict is correct just because McDonald's is a corporation and doesn't deserve to have money is probably the soundest argument in favor of that position. Notwithstanding whether hating corporations for no other reason makes any sense.

>>19535773
I allow unsweetened beverages (this means no artificial sweeteners either) in my car, so water, sparkling water, and unsweetened teas.

>>19536394
This. Third degree burn treatment is going to be like thousands of dollars not covered by insurance and the average American has maybe $300 in emergency savings. You already have to sue to afford the treatment, and then a law firm isn't going to do a case against McDonalds for you for $3,000 so they demand a big punitive payout too so they can take their 30% cut and not have wasted their time.

>>19537053
>Does McDonald's make their coffee in pressure cookers or do they just boil water normally?
Both.
They also have the temperature on their warmer set abnormally high. Warmers outside of McDonald's don't go higher than 145° by design. By the time you pour coffee from the carafe into your mug and stir in your sugar, if you're that sort of person, the coffee will have already dropped to 140°, the optimal serving temperature. See >>19537079
McDonald's use proprietary warmers to keep that shit scalding because customers complained that the coffee was cold. See, drinking it on the go will cool 140° coffee considerably lower as you're unlikely to actually have it immediately after being served if you're going somewhere. By the time you sip it, several minutes will have passed and the coffee will be less than the optimal range of 120°-140°.

>>19536425
she wanted medical costs only but mcdonalds didn't want to pay for them.

>>19536551
This judge is retarded, he based the entire dismissal on "well it probably doesn't matter if the temperature is hot because lower temperatures are still bad".

>>19537103
Don't forget the character assassination campaign McDo waged against that woman. They had their lawyers make the media rounds to talk shit on this lady without actually talking shit on her IE just a hair shy of actual defamation/libel.
Plus >>19537096
No lawyer would represent anyone suing some megacorporation for less than thirty-seven kajillion dollaridoos
The sum is a symptom of America's ridiculous combined obsessions with lawsuits and having no healthcare

>>19535240
>Redditors in 2023
>not sucking corporate cock
Right.

>>19534768
Lol just looking at her face you can tell she did it. Probably had the same look while burning her daughter.

>>19537135
Interesting to see how this will play out in court; right now there's a lot of conjecture and bullshit floating around because no one except the lawyers really has the facts. Hopefully they don't settle so we can get a full record of what happened. Last time with the coffee case mcdolans were proven to be negligent (which they were, I studied the case, and they changed up how they did their coffee) so I shall be following closely

these fish goblin monsters obviously just did it because theyre jewish niggers? this isnt worth discussing

>>19535846
You can try in yuropoor but its usually a sum that is significantly less and even real victims of careless accidents get a very low amount of money from the culprit.

>>19534805
That was her lip retard

>>19538293
That's why you sue big corpos

>>19534867
>The coffee case was legit, I saw the burn wounds
Nah fuck that shit. I've seen people white knight that woman but coffee is best served scalding hot so no fucking sympathy. You knew what you were getting.

>>19538360
No one under 50 drinks hot coffee

>>19534883
>it's still retarded and her fault.
I will agree with you there, but she just wanted mcdonalds to cover her medical bills and nothing else. they are the ones that blew the story out of proportion and paid her off some huge amount to make them seem like the victim.

>>19534910
The lady dropped the cup and spilled it on herself after the car was parked, it was not poured or dropped from the worker. Now serving it around 180-190F (standard for them at the time) sure, that was dumb and they could've just admitted that, paid her medical fees that she asked for originally, and then lowered it down to 160-170 or even lower but they refused to and that was the only reason they got hit by simp judges and jury. Not that she was a fuckin idiot putting a hot cup of liquid in her lap and opening the fuckin lid.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants#Burn_incident

>>19536915
I can live with that not truly being my problem to solve.

>>19538360
Stfu you retard.

>>19536983
i piss 4-6 times a day

This is what niggers refer to as "gibs".

Begrudgingly accept the benefits of civilization whites gave you until some death or injury occurs and then sue everyone you can for everything they've got. You'll win big because your chosen enemy is obsessed with being politically correct.

>>19538532
Nah you are
She got all the ire she deserved

>>19535033
sad u can make death threats but cant sage off topic threads

>>19536425
You're sort of bootlicking McDonald's.
-She was only asking for medical expenses covered, she was awarded punitive damages due to McDonald's conduct.
-She was not the first person to get serious injuries from McDonald's coffee. Key to lawsuit was documents demonstrating 700 similar incidents in 10 years.
-The final ruling was that she was 20% at fault and McDonald's 80%. The reasoning is that human beings are not robots. People are gonna fuck up using your shit, that's a predicable and known outcome. You are responsible as a business for a reasonable margin of safe fuck ups where the consequences of fucking up are foreseeable. The average person would not anticipate immediate burns bad enough to require skin grafts as a consequence of buying a coffee.
The reason you think of this as a frivolous lawsuit is because McDonald's spent more than the cost of Liebeck's medical bills on PR campaigns to drag her through the mud.

She burnt her. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRz3bD1r1vA

>>19538855
Nobody is gonna watch your 20 minute podcast clip

>>19538868
Hi, Ben.

>>19538876
Hi, Bartholomew

>>19538540
Then you're not hydrated

>>19537061
>Knowing a meme used to mean something.
Yeah, and so did knowing when you wore out your welcome.
You've been reusing these same entry level reddit tier rage face knockoffs for more than a decade now. Yet for some reason, you act baffled that the gate keeping you claim to endorse doesn't work anymore in an endless sea of 'jacks, frogs, based, and cringe, not realizing it's the same clueless newfags that you mock who are using them right alongside you.
You keep shooting yourself in the foot when you post like this. Knock it off.

>>19538927
hydration is a meme

>>19539142
1. None of those other posters are me
2. "Would berry" is not a rage face, frog, or soyjack

>>19539249
1. Then it doesn't apply to you, newfag.
2. Never said it was. I still like "Burst into treats" and the like are will always be hilarious. That's not what I'm criticizing here.

>>19534768
>photo looks like the kid is looking down, possibly scared and avoiding eye contact
>she's actually just messing on some device, probably a tablet, but the media covered up that part with the two other photos knowing 99% of people won't try looking twice
Destroy all media.

>>19534768
the nugget was soaked in hot oil retard

>>19536983
>A hydrated person should piss once an hour or so.
lol, That's a great way to harm your body.

>>19539269
Ok, fair enough then

>>19539269
I too like to deflect from my own flaws by calling other people that which I am

>>19534805
Who brought up race here? Are black people suddenly immune to hot temps or something?

>>19539481
Remove the "too" and your post is very accurate.
Follow the chain. I'm not the one who started calling people underage or new.

>>19539522
No they are just niggers.

>>19539630
You are racist, nothing you say has any value to this conversation

>>19539721
>le racism is bad

>>19539613
Nigger this is an anonymous message board, nobody cares who started what. >>19536206 called somebody a newfag. Was this helpful?

>>19539522
Do you see the picture? Is it White people in the picture?

>>19539745
Yeah

>>19539740
>nobody cares who started what
Then don't get worked up about it and learn how to detect half-hearted sarcasm.

>Was this helpful?
Brother, read the post before.
You suck at this.

holy fuck she is ugly as shit

>>19539749
>worked up
Did you confuse my use of the word nigger with some sort of emotional outburst?
>post before
wait are you the guy that guy was responding to? Still responding to it?

>>19539757
>Did you confuse my use of the word nigger with some sort of emotional outburst?
No. What confuses me is where you fit in this discussion at all and why you took an emotional investment to begin with. All you've added to this discussion is "This wasn't me" and "That wasn't me", and I imagine you have a lot of conversations that go like this.

>>19539761
>I now realize I was incorrect about who I was speaking to and will begin accusing the other person of saying "this wasn't me" and "that wasn't me", thus deflecting from my own flaws by accusing others of that which I've done

>>19539772
Who are you quoting?

>>19539773

>>19539731
yes

>>19534883
Why do people suck corporations dicks so much? You are a literal dollar sign to them and they in zero way shape or form care about you.

>>19534768
A normal person would grab the food, blow some air to cool it and give a small bite to test the temperature. Then repeat the process until its cold enough to eat. If the kid was well behaved, that incident wouldn't have happened.

What part of the body is the wound on and why is it blurred?

>>19539967
They are most likely a conservative and therefore have no other principles other than "I enjoy other people suffer"
Cruelty is the point to these people, how cartoonishly evil do you have to be see a poor old Grandma accidentally spill coffee on herself and end up with serious injuries on her legs and vagina and then call her an idiot as if she's the first person to ever accidentally spill a drink

>>19540093
There's a lot of self satisfied doofuses that are basically brain dead. Think of the farmers that are heavily subsidized by hate the idea of social benefits. It's hypocrisy and self serving logic. It's similar to those that think "I've suffered so you should suffer too." Base animal thinking from those who don't like thinking too hard on anything that doesn't boost their ego.

>>19540408
>Think of the farmers that are heavily subsidized by hate the idea of social benefits. It's hypocrisy and self serving logic.
Farm subsidization isn't for the benefit of the farmers, anon. It's for the benefit of people living in the cities.
It's the generation of an artificial market to lower food costs in urban areas. Most farmers hate subsidization too but go along with it because it fucked the market so hard that it's effectively the only way to not lose your land at this point.

>>19540484
They're subsidizing corn and soy that is largely exported or made into cheap garbage food and cheap garbage fuel. They aren't just subsidizing food. We grow far more soy and corn than anything else. The arrogance of some farmers, saying they're feeding the nation when all they grow is cash crops is absurd, especially when they don't support subsidies for others. Ridiculous.

>>19540505
>They're subsidizing corn and soy that is largely exported or made into cheap garbage food and cheap garbage fuel.
... yes. That's largely what I said.

It's like you're vaguely aware that fuel actually benefits cities more than the farmers themselves, but you've got this weird cognitive dissonance that makes it hard for you to put the pieces together and realizing who actually loses if you get rid of subsidies.

>>19540093
>how cartoonishly evil do you have to be see a poor old Grandma accidentally spill coffee on herself
How cartoonishly naive do you have to be to design your entire life around keeping grandma safe before you discover your whole life is now a nursing home?

>>19540537
No, you miss the point entirely. If subsidizing farmers is good for society, why don't farmers want other people subsidized? That was the hypocrisy I was pointing out. You ignored that point. It's similar to the rural people on benefits that complain about city people on benefits. You see?

>>19540548
To extrapolate this coffee incident to being an assault on freedom is pretty cartoonist. Yes, let's not hold businesses accountable for their mistakes. Great idea.

>>19534768
From the picture I can determine that they are "those people" who will do everything and anything to not have to work and make a quick buck.

>>19534768
Is that the daughter in the picture? She looks fine. She's playing on her phone in court. Where's the long term damage?

>>19540573
What's cartoonish is that I need to sign waiver after waiver for every little thing I purchase just to testify that I'm competent enough to actually use the product in question.
I shouldn't need a warning label on my lawnmower telling me not to use it as hedge clippers.

>>19540617
That's such a minor "inconvenience". Don't you have better things to complain about?

>>19540569
>why don't farmers want other people subsidized?
No, you're missing the point.
The farmers think the subsidizies are bullshit to begin. It's the government tampering with the market.
Also, it's extremely telling that your idea of "good for society" is just doing whatever benefits cities the most.

>>19540621
Your life is getting measurably worse every day.
The law is not on your side, and this legal red tape ultimately punishes consumers and small businesses more than it actually hurts major corporations.

>>19540647
You jumped to a lot of conclusions. I live rural. That's why I have my opinions on rural peoples beliefs. Many have a massive chip on their shoulder about city people. It's ridiculous. Farmers in rural Illinois live on their subsidies and love them. They (more specifically the mega farm corps who own them) pour money into lobbying for more.

City people often don't think about rural people at all, let alone care enough to shit on them. Rural people on benefits who complain about city people on benefits can be found in any rural bar. It's just silly.

>>19540650
Maybe yours is. You're correct that corporations are able to get away with things that overall are detrimental to society, but you don't have to be a doomer about it. Signing waivers doesn't really influence my quality of life or mood. Getting served way too hot coffee can. Sometimes these "frivolous" lawsuits can be the only way to hold corporations responsible.

Little girl got off lucky. A few years ago in Kentucky a little girl ate a watermelon that was so cold she got frostbite on her tongue and nose. Had to get them both partially amputated.

>>19540660
>but you don't have to be a doomer about it. Signing waivers doesn't really influence my quality of life or mood.
Fucking Christ, you are like a walking parody.
I'm out.

>>19540654
>You jumped to a lot of conclusions
Well you live rural but you're an expert on city people and what they do and don't think about.
And it seems like you grossly misunderstand the opinions of both.

>>19540694
Lived in chicago for school. Now back in central Illinois. Think whatever you want to think. The amount of hate cities get from rural people is hilarious, since city people don't care. One can't exist without the other. I just find the hypocrisy you'll see once a underpaid farm hand on food stamps has a couple beers in him hilarious.

>>19540682
>my life is fucking RUINED because I had to put an x on the bottom of a waiver :(
You're a joke. Good riddance.

>>19534984
All teh bitch wanted was 10,000 to cover the majority of the hospital bill.

Mcdonalds said lol no.

Then she sued them for millions.

If mcDs had just given her the 10k, it'd have went away.

>>19535888
I get scarred going into a court house for mundane reasons, they're a scary and formal place.

>>19536932
>Also, real toaster pros know you can lift up the toaster lever to reach your pop tarts better.
Or you push the lever down a little and then quickly flip it up to make your poptart do a sick ollie.

>>19540721
Who are you quoting?

>>19540721
>>19540660
>>19540621
>>19540573
You're right fyi and the other guy is a retard

>>19540713
>since city people don't care
Have you actually asked them how they feel about it?
Because the response is generally a polite way of saying they would rather be dead than associate with a back water community for any extended period of time.
>One can't exist without the other.
No, one definitely can exist without the other. And I consider it a major flaw in society in that people frequently forget that.

>>19540751
Aw, it's illiterate :(

>>19540770
The rural community can go back to farming by hand with locally sourced tools if they'd like, but I don't think they'd like

>>19540786
>but I don't think they'd like
I don't think they'd like it either.
But at the end of the season, they'd at least have something to eat.

>>19540807
>>19540770
This is a weird thing to feel 'superior' over as if both communities don't need each other for their lives to not be shit. I get that it's a cope though so I'll forgive you.

>>19540770
This might surprise you but city people are often from rural areas or visit them regularly. This isn't sports teams. There are no real sides, just some people who like to think there are.

>>19534768
McDonald's is really fucking good at paying off news outlets to not give relevant facts. You know in that courtroom it was established what temp that food had to be to cause such severe burns but not a single outlet describes the burns or calls the food anything but "hot." Fucking douchebags.

Reminds me of that poor old woman that was served 400 degree coffee that caused third degree burns and nearly killed her - McDonald's spent millions spinning it as a frivolous lawsuit.

>>19534936
>Water literally can't get hotter than 212 F.
You are a moron.
Not only is the boiling point effected by whatever is in the water, it's increased dramatically by pressure. If there's less room for the water to expand or if the water was heated quickly with little surface area for evaporation it stays liquid and keeps increasing in heat. This is why it's dangerous to microwave water, as it superheats and will explode into steam when disrupted afterwards.

Take your fifth grade understanding of chemistry and shove it up your ass

>>19541000
>This might surprise you but city people are often from rural areas or visit them regularly
Why do you think that would surprise me?
I know plenty of people who moved from their home towns because they hated it there, but go back during holidays because they have family in the area.

>>19540770
>>19541051
>>19541000
As someone that has spent plenty of time in rural, suburban, urban poor, and urban wealthy areas: every part of America is rotten to the core and you should take the log out of your own eye before pointing out the splinter in your neighbor's.

>>19540990
>I get that it's a cope though so I'll forgive you.
It's not a cope. It's about recognizing how frail things really are, and this constant insulation we keep erecting puts us further and further from stable rebounds when things actually go bad. When you lose sight of that, you're only one disaster away from losing everything.

>>19541051
This might surprise you, but if you pour hot coffee into a pre-heated thermos and a room temp thermos, the coffee in both will reach room temperature at about the same time.

>>19541022
Water literally can't get above 212 *in this context*. Everyone knows that pressure increases boiling point. I can show you a photo of my well-used pressure cooker if you need any proof that I've been intimate with the concept for a while. You're just being autistic and pedantic by hopping on these stupid gotchas instead of addressing the actual argument at hand. No, the coffee in the McDonald's coffee cup is not pressurized nor superheated. Also the water is boiled before it's even introduced to the coffee grounds, which would nucleate the steam even if the water was somehow superheated by the machine.

>>19541095
the heat of the coffee cooks the gmilf

>>19541095
>...uhhh I knew that! It can't get hotter in this context!
Yes it can because McDonald's microwaves water/coffee
You were confidently retarded, got called out, tried to backpedal, and WERE STILL WRONG
It's time to stop posting.

>>19541102
As a fellow autistic, McDonalds doesn't microwave its drip coffee, they use machines and heated thermal carafes. The 185 degree serving temperature was more than hot enough to cause instant 3rd degree burns, the coffee doesn't need to be superheated to be a problem here

>>19541102
>>19541095
Anon is retarded for saying "water can't be hotter than 212f" but why would that even matter? You can get third degree burns in less than two seconds from water that's 150. Bitch's legs were eaten to the bone.

>>19541112
The lawsuit was in the earlh 90's and it was a franchisee not using normal operating procedures (which is why the franchisee was liable but not the parent)

Again, irrelevant because it didn't need to be superheated, but if we're going to be autistic about this we're doing it right.

only retarded americans would touch hot things they know are hot and then sue people for making the hot thing they bought to be hot

>>19541112
Water heaters aren't even allowed to go above 140F.

>>19541127
The franchise whas following corporate procedure which is why the McDonald's corporation was found liable.

>>19541138
See >>19537099

>>19541141
Forgot to attach this RIP

bros can i get some gibs if i go buy some goyslop and spread it on my naked body to burn myself?

>>19541145
Jesus

>>19541145
>In the 90s McDonald's held coffee at 190
Jesus christ no wonder she got such horrific burns
It was inevitable

>>19535167
As well as what other anons said, water can get much hotter than boiling if it is unable to evaporate - for instance, if you put water in a pan, then cover it with oil and turn it on high heat, the water will just continue getting hot but won't be able to boil because of the layer of oil above it.
This is a known problem when people who aren't used to deep frying food try to deep fry. If you get a droplet of water trapped under the oil, the pressure from the hotter-than-boiling water can cause the water to basically explode upwards and evaporate, causing the hot oil to practically erupt.
It's pretty cool.

>>19541149
Yup. Reason behind the high holding temp is >>19537099

>>19541157
>In the 90s McDonald's held coffee at 190
Still do, I think.
They just have a caveat emptor on that shit now

>>19534768
>Can someone explain how this is possible?
Sure:
>be ghetto nog
>get burned handlng hot crack pipe
>school notices burn wound
>"oh... uh... dat was a... uh... a macknugget! yeah a hot macknugget did that to me!"
>"oh my, they should never be that hot! you should sue them!"
>ghettolottery.exe
Anyone who believes that girl actually got that burn from a chicken mcnugget (lmao) is legit retarded.

>>19541182
Raccoon DNA was found in her wound, it's definitely from a mcnugget

>>19541187
raccoons can't smoke crack?

>>19535256
>Don't actually do this though, it'll basically explode the second you jostle it.
Sounds like a funny prank I can play on people at work tomorrow in the break room. Thanks Anon.

>>19534867
The way McDonalds spun the story so that people demonized that old woman is crazy.

>>19535773
that's just severe autism though, normal people eat in there cars because only an autist cares and thinks messes cannot be cleaned and the "purity" of the car must be protected

>>19536019
and yet you know the context of the statement? do you want your trophy now?

>>19541588
>t.

>>19541182
She was 4 at the time and not quite verbal yet so no one could have asked her anything for her to say wtf was wrong and why she was screaming

>>19541700
moms burn their 4 year olds with hot crack pipes all the time.
but do they admit it? noooooooo - they blame it on a piece of chicken.

>>19541700
>4 years old
>not yet verbal
Not surprising for a black. Most white kids can read by that age. Hopefully her mom can use that money to finally teach her to enunciate words instead of blowing it all on crack and cocoa butter.

>>19541613
This is explicitly what the shopping bag cupboard is for

>>19541731
this retard is on 4chan but doesn't know about autism

You don't serve shit that's so hot that it can melt skin. This isn't fucking hard. We already had an old bitch get melted from coffee and you dumb cunts defended Mcdonalds. Don't get a cunt again - know better. Be better.

You will never get a third degree burn from your own food.

>>19534867
She got burned because the coffee soaked into her skintight pants and it took her several minutes to pull them off. 3rd degree burns happen in 30 seconds at normal coffee serving temperature, which the coffee she was given was served within the typical range

>>19541782
I keep the interior of my car spotless and as clean as it came out of the factory.

>>19541790
>stove is hot
<stove is hot be aware
>put hand on stove
>ow
<don't do that
>put hand on stove
>ow
>why did you do this to me

>>19541841
Shit posting isn't a personality trait

>>19541851
Then you have no personality at all.

>>19536846
Common law courts did as well, barratry. Most of the anglosphere save for a handful of US states have unfortunately abolished it because it "gets in the way of punishing corporations" or some nonsense.

>>19537126
The US has better healthcare than Europe. That's why your political leaders fly to the US for treatment

>>19541832
This is explicitly not the case and we have court documents to prove it. Stop sucking corpo chode, and if you can't restrain yourself then buy a fucking ad

>>19539967
>Ignore all rule of law when it isn't politically expedient for the class war

>>19541861
>no you
lol

>>19541884
>>Ignore all rule of law
That's the people defending McDonalds lmao.

>>19541885
I accept your concession.

>>19541892
Sure. I mean I already got yours so why not.

>>19541874
The US has better healthcare if you're wealthy, everybody else needa to beg for help on gofundme. Don't see many middle class euros flying to the US.

>>19540724
Why wouldn't they? From their perspective, she was trying to extort them. Imagine if a homeless person came up and started harassing you for your pocket change. Even if it's just a handful of pennies, you'd still most likely refuse on principle because enabling that sort of behaviour just leads to it becoming more widespread.

>>19541893
>no you
lol

>>19541157
Most coffee houses serve it at 170-ish anyway. At that temp, she would've been burned just as bad no matter what coffee she spilled on herself.

>>19541901
From their perspective they were trying fob off somebody they assumed couldn't afford to sue them with pennies. If they thought they were being defrauded they were objectively wrong given the outcome of the trial.

>>19541881
It is explicitly the case and the court documents proved it, but McDonalds were found liable anyway because McDicks were just that unlikeable as a company.

>>19541888
What law did McDonalds break?

>>19541920
I sorta respect your commitment to being verifiably retarded

>coffee is... LE HOT?!

>>19541927
>within normal temperature range for coffee houses
You people always leave out that part.

>>19541785
Right? That's what I was getting at when I said that she was "not quite verbal yet."

>>19541924
Basic safety standards

>>19541914
>Most coffee houses serve it at 170-ish anyway.
If it's fresh and machine brewed. Warmers don't get that hot. McDonald's specifically use special warmers that keep coffee around 185°F. Warmers used in coffee joints are closer to 150°, often lower.
And if the choice joint is doing pour over, the temperature will be considerably lower than 170° by the time it's done, I think

>>19541933
Okay I do respect your commitment to making yourself visibly nonfunctional to strangers on the internet, but don't you get tired of it? It can't be that fun

say what you want about mcdonalds but the mcgriddle is a gift from dog and absolves them of all their sins

>>19541939
Name which one. Remember, they weren't found guilty in a criminal trial, it was a civil suit. Important distinction

>>19541943
>>19541946
Literally just scroll down, fucking idiots so mindrotten by your culture war class war crusade that you throw all logic and reason out the window

>>19541966
What the shit does that have to do with >>19541943? What part of >>19541943 do you think you're refuting, exactly?

>>19541971
>refuses to read
McDicks didn't lower their coffee temps, other coffee houses serve their coffee in the same range, it's considered within the normal acceptable range for coffee temps, and similar lawsuits in the years after all found the coffeemaker to not be liable. The old lady literally only won because she was an old lady going up against a company nobody liked, which plucked the heart strings of the jury just enough that they decided to pull a reverse Bronx Jury on McDicks. It's that simple.

>>19541966
You mean your screenshot where it notes that McDonald's did make changes to the cups to shield them from future liability? I dunno man, I don't feel like I'm the one with brainrot here.
Important to note: most people do not take their coffee black. Coffee served at 180 at Starbucks is not generally being received by the customer at 180.

>>19542010
it's not even being served at 180F. i get it black from Starbucks near work, it's definitely not being served at 180F.

>>19542010
>empty platitudes
Remember, the lawsuit was about how the coffee was served at 'criminally hot temps', NOT about the design of the cup. Other coffee houses served and still serve at similar temps, it's within the normal recommended range for coffee serving, and later lawsuits all found the defendant not liable. You have no counter to this

>Starbucks coffee served at 180 is not being received at 180
What do you think 'served' means? It's the temperature that the coffee is generally expected to be at when handed to the customer. Within a few minutes it will have cooled to a good deal less than that, and the lady in the McD case was in possession of the coffee long enough to drive to a parking lot and park. Meaning it was well below the serving temperature.

>>19541985
>McDicks didn't lower their coffee temps
Didn't say that they did.

>other coffee houses serve their coffee in the same range
Didn't say that they didn't.

>it's considered within the normal acceptable range for coffee temps
Didn't say anything about that at all.
So I ask again: what the shit does >>19541966 have to do with >>19541943? What part of >>19541943 do you think you're refuting, exactly?

who gives a fuck coffee is gay only weak minded faggots require stimulants to cope through life instead of being capable sober in the morning

>>19542037
and you're my big tough boy! Now go outside and play, mommy and her friends are talking

>>19542026
>empty platitudes
>mcdicks found negligent for serving coffee at temperatures that one would not expect to cause immediate third degree burns
>mcdicks switches to sturdier cups and puts a temperature disclaimer on the cup
>mcdicks is still serving coffee at temperatures that will cause 3rd degree burns in seconds, but now they aren't liable because they warned you about it
That's how that works.

>Starbucks served at 180
I'm actually autistic enough that I'm gonna go drive to Starbucks and get a black coffee and a regular cream and sugar coffee and take immediate temperatures. I'll be back in a bit, I don't think either is going to be above 170 though.

>>19542043
you will never be a woman

>>19542029
>what does proof that other coffee houses do the same thing and that other companies in similar situations were found not liable have to do with the McDonalds case
Retarded? Or just bad faith? Which are you

>>19542055
>found negligent because their coffees caused third degree burns
Coffee even 30 degrees BELOW typical household serving temperature will cause third degree burns within seconds. You fell for hotshot legalese.
>they're not liable because they warned you
"Warning, hot coffee is hot" is a fake fix and you know it.

>My local Starbucks
Anecdotes, not an argument. I've gotten lukewarm coffee from Burger King before, doesn't mean that's BK's serving temp. Have fun, though. And remember, 170° is hot enough to cause third degree burns in less than ten seconds.

>>19542066
It is a fake fix, I don't respect McDonald's for it. That's been my position

>>19542079
Courts found other companies not liable, and under a just system McDicks wouldn't've been either.

have you ever tried NOT pouring a scalding liquid on yourself? maybe you won't get third degree burns if you stop doing that

>>19542066
>anecdotes
Data points. As noted by >>19541943 coffee is basically never served at the temperatures claims by SCA or Starbucks

>serving coffee at temperatures that one would not expect to cause immediate third degree burns
Anyone not retarded knows coffee is made with boiling hot water and therefore fresh coffee could reasonably be anticipated to be "boiling hot". I'm also pretty sure most people know boiling hot water will cause severe burns.
I'm convinced no one actually believes this was a good lawsuit. It's just one or two shitposters using their "oy vey the standard temperature range goy!" pastas and other (you)-farmers

>>19542096
You don't understand. Private individuals and the Working Class are never responsible for their own actions; they're too stupid to know how to care for themselves. It is the duty of the Bourgeoise to subsidise them so they never have to face the consequences of their actions.

>>19542099
What do you think an anecdote is? Your individual Starbucks presented that individual cup to you at that individual temperature at that one specific time of the day. How hot it is when it reaches your hand is wildly variable based on how long it has been sitting behind the counter before they can hand it to you, what the wagies set their machines to, and so on. The only objective standard is what the company tells them to serve it at. Which is within a few degrees of what McDonalds says to serve theirs at. You have no way of knowing what temp their coffee will be tomorrow, or what the temp of the coffee the lady dumped on herself was, especially after she had been holding it for five minutes.

Completely bunk data. Now dump it on your lap and time how long it takes for you to develop third degree burns

>>19542108
This was fresh out of the carafe which is right by the window, but you don't need to believe me, that's fine. The important things are
a) the coffee with the cream is a 35 degrees lower than the black coffee, making it physically impossible for the average person's milky coffee to be in their hand at a temperature even close to what you're claiming
b) my position of "You are all sucking corpo chode" is being substantiated by your response of "I don't care what that fresh coffee temperature is being served at, the corpos said it was 180"
Executives can claim whatever they want, if the coffee customers are getting is actually 120-130 degrees you're not going to be seeing many burns.

>>19542137
By your own logic the lady's claims that the coffee was 190° is put into question, because the only basis for that claim is Mcdonald's official documents requiring it to be so. It's blatant bias when you pick and choose when you believe that mandate based on whether it's in favour of or opposed to your argument. It could just as easily have been given to her at 160°, same as your coffee, or cooled off that much by the time she spilt it on herself. remember, she didn't have the coffee on her for seconds. It soaked into her sweatpants and it took her over a minute to get them off. Even at 140°, well below typical coffee temperatures, that amount of elapsed time is enough to develop third degree burns.

>stop pointing out why anecdotes aren't valid evidence
No. Your method has too many variables and thus invalid. Welcome to the scientific method. Cope

>>19542167
Man I can't believe I am posting for a 3rd time the screenshot showing that Liebeck's attorneys in fact recorded coffee temperature. The temperature of the coffee is not in dispute, because this wasn't a phoenix wright game. The McDonald's lawyers had access to these coffee temperature records and had the opportunity to dispute them before it was presented as evidence. McDonald's lawyers did not dispute these temperatures.
>welcome to the scientific method
>my marketing material from Starbucks is valid evidence for my position
>your timestamped temperatures of fresh coffee are not evidence
>cope seethe and cambria
okay buddy

>>19542189
This one

>>19542194
>>19542189
anecdotal evidence for that McDonald's

>>19542204
>This is anecdotal evidence
>McDonald's lawyers couldn't discredit this evidence
give it a rest pal

>>19542216
kill yourself porky
eat the rich

>>19542189
>But her lawyers said
It's funny how whether you trust or distrust a lawyer depends entirely on your personal opinion of the client they are defending.
What her lawyers did was go to a handful of local unnamed coffee shops and recorded their temperatures without context. Same day? Same time of day? Did they get multiple cups and pick the highest/lowest temps? Did they sit and wait for some cups to cool off? You have no clue, and it's highly likely that they would get shady with it because they're LAWYERS.
>coffee temp records... McDicks didn't dispute
They claimed that McDonalds corporate requires the coffee to be X temperature. Which is the same temp range that most other big chain coffee houses mandate to this day.

>internal requirements are not evidence
>my personal anecdotes collected without accounting for any variables is
Lol

>>19542287
>be me
>Liebeck's lawyer
>go to a handful of local unnamed coffeeshops and record their temperature without context
>Present this evidence as part of discovery
>Get laughed out of court by McDonald's legal team
What part of this are you not understanding? Which part is the hangup? McDonald's hired very skilled lawyers. If the the Ts weren't all crossed on this document it would not have made it into evidence The situation you're trying to spin this as is out of a fucking TV show.

>>19542066
>what does proof that other coffee houses do the same thing and that other companies in similar situations were found not liable have to do with the McDonalds case
That's nice, dear, but not what I asked.

I asked what points you're specifically refuting. It really seems like you're not refuting any at all and are simply taking offense at some imaginary slight rather than speaking to the substance of the statement.
Try again and stay on task this time.

>>19538642
>The reason you think of this as a frivolous lawsuit is because McDonald's spent more than the cost of Liebeck's medical bills on PR campaigns to drag her through the mud.
I was with you until this. I can see why somebody would not be on the woman's side. Most people don't have the time to keep up with a court case. its the topic of a convo with coworkers then thats it. Doesn't take a PR campaign to come up with that conclusion that she would be at fault.

>>19542443
I'm not on her side because I hate women.

>>19542443
>Doesn't take a PR campaign to come up with that conclusion that she would be at fault.
Not that guy, but McDonald's actually did all the media rounds, sending lawyers and PR reps to every news outlet available to smear the old lady in a way that managed to avoid libel/slander.
So yes, there actually was a PR campaign against her

>>19542458
And THIS is why they lost the case. In any other context the lady would've been BTFO, as we have seen with multiple other cases before and since involving similar situations. McD lost this particular case because they made themselves as unlikeable as possible. No jury in the land would ever side with a company that spent millions trying to smear the character of a little old lady, just on principle.

>>19542503
Nope. It's actually the opposite.
The average person at the time, and even most people since, have sided with McDonald's. People who didn't look into the case themselves, who didn't hear the evidence, who didn't see the pictures, who didn't read the reports, they sided with McDonald's. Clearly, McDonald's campaign was extremely successful and continues to be to this day.
The people who did see the evidence etc saw things another way because they DIDN'T see/hear the campaign.
If they'd had, maybe they'd have had a different outcome.

>>19535373
>I can't see any way that could be caused by nuggets
It can't, I worked at mcdonalds for 10 years, and plenty of other fast food places. You could pull fries/nuggets straight out of the fryer and eat them 5 seconds later if you blow on them for a second. They don't actually get to 350 degrees that's not how food works. You can test it yourself, fry anything and pull it out. If it sits for 20 seconds its edible without risking pain. It isn't like coffee that stays at extreme temps for a long time.

>>19534929
What a kick in the pants this is to all the 'literally shaking' posters out there. You're supposed to put more express emotion when doing this, my dude. Did you not get enough sleep last night so you just lazily fluttered your fingers on the keys? I'm mean, what the fuck is it? Come on? You're not doing it right! COME ON, this is such a fucking kick in the teeth, I'm literally shaking right now

>>19541874
The US has the best healthcare CEILING in the world, but it's got one of the worst healthcare floors of any developed nation. Unless you're an illegal immigrant, ironically.

>>19542726
who gives a fuck about the interior design of a hospital

>>19542752
>t. n'wah

>>19542752

>>19542762
shut the fuck up knife-ears Skyrim is for the Nords

>>19541916
>If they thought they were being defrauded they were objectively wrong given the outcome of the trial.
>jury trial
>fair and objective
choose one. and stop making society into a padded cell that protects people from their own stupidity. it's not working out

>>19542726
Hospitals are required by law to treat you even if you can't pay. And provided you pay them SOMETHING, they can't touch you legally. My uninsured mother went to Mayo Clinic (one of the best hospitals in the country) to get a hip replacement. Her bill was like $15k or something. She's been sending them five bucks a month for years and they can't do anything about it. This is what anyone with a brain does. Let insurance pay whatever they want, and if they try and fleece you for more money send them pocket change.

>>19543016
Juries are fairer than judge trials. It's a provable fact that judges are more likely to rule guilty than juries are, and the simple fact juries require multiple people come to a consensus rather than rely on the whim of an individual means you need a much more solid argument for guilt. Not to mention the fact judges are far more politically inclined, because they're either elected or appointed by a politician with an agenda.

>>19543056
I don't pay for health insurance, it's a pyramid scheme.

>>19543060
>It's a provable fact that judges are more likely to rule guilty than juries are
so juries let off guilty people more because they are gullible? got it
>the simple fact juries require multiple people come to a consensus
so a popularity contest? got it

>>19543084
Innocent until proven guitly beyond reasonable doubt. Better to let a hundred guilty men walk free than let one innocent man serve time for a crime he did not commit.
Literally the foundation of a fair and just legal system

>>19543084
>popularity contest
Lolno. It has to be unanimous. If even one juror dissents and can't be convinced, then it's a mistrial. Everything to ensure that the only people who get locked up are basically the people who get caught holding the smoking gun.

>>19543084
better one thousand guilty criminals go free than one single innocent man be found guilty

>>19543084
low effort

>>19543056
There's non-emergency treatment that people like to get, too.

>>19543176
If people wanted preventative care, they should have been born in a generation with better social mobility

>>19543176
>I sprained my ankle, I need medical attention
This mindset is why the healthcare system is broken.

>>19543185
The US has greater social mobility than any European country

>>19543202
The US ranks 27th behind Lithuania

>>19543212
Oh damn, I didn't realize that, I guess somebody told me the US was the greatest and I just believed it like a fucking idiot

>>19543109
>It has to be unanimous
so what. most people cave in when under pressure. 12 angry men is fiction
How do you think Claus von Bülow and OJ got off and Derick Chauvin got convicted? I guess I shouldn't be surprised that there are so many bootlickers on the fast food board

>>19543226
This is a creative strategy but it doesn't make you not a retard, please go back to your containment board and stop shitting up the borger

>>19543226
>actually, democracy is bootlicking because people may go with the group. Real liberty is having one person tell everybody else what to do.
what

>>19543202
As someone that has gotten a sprain (not ankle) and couldn't get medical attention (insurance wouldn't cover it getting looked at without an x-ray and the x-ray techs were out of town that week), some sprains will develop a ganglion which will bother you for years after the fact. They can get popped/removed but that still requires going to a doctor depending on where it is. Imagine indefinitely impeding your mobility because your country can't afford to have sprains/pulls checked out without a monthly deductible.

>>19543212
You mean the 2020 Global Social Mobility index?
I just read it and their methodology boiled down to "how socialist the country is", with more socialist countries ranking higher. I fail to see how 'more subsidised education and healthcare' (factors used in the ranking) correlate to social mobility. Curiously, they explicitly EXCLUDED generational wealth growth potential. You know, the one thing that actually matters when talking about social mobility. Curious, no?

>>19544051
Get over it. A mild cold could turn into a deadly disease in some rare instances, that doesn't mean we should go to the ER every time we get the sniffles.
Enabling hypochondria is harmful for society in the long run.

>>19544361
Not particularly curious, since when people discuss social mobility they generally mean intragenerational mobility.
It would be pretty fucking weird to define generational wealth as the one thing that matters to social mobility in most contexts, especially since intragenerational mobility is a prerequisite for increasing intergenerational mobility via generational wealth. The methodology is sound, it's just inconvenient for you.
Also inconvenient for you is that generational wealth is getting harder to build for the majority of people in the US, as wealth continues to concentrate upwards.

>>19544369
Nice strawman, did your mommy build it for you

>>19544369
>Going to the ER over a mild cold is the same as going to a general practice for a joint injury

>>19544546
>the ability to build intergenerational wealth has minimal impact on social mobility
>subsidised healthcare has a major impact
Lol.
When it comes to ease of making money, the US ranks higher than practically any other country. Which is the only metric that matters, and the one explicitly excluded.

>>19544851
What's your metric for that, and for how it applies to social mobility? I don't think anybody would argue it's pretty easy to make money if you have significant capital in the US, but social mobility metrics include the working poor and their ability to stop being the working poor. Which is why is baffling that you can type with a straight face that none of the metrics on the social mobility index matter when the US lower class is such a large percentage of the population compared to European countries. Subsidized health care that limits the extremely-common-in-the-US possibility of a health issue bankrupting you is significantly more helpful to building generational wealth than a 10% return on an index fund.