/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>19222560
I don't know but it fucking sucks. On the other hand, the dearth of meat pies surely led to the hamburger so count your blessings I suppose

>>19222560
Tamales

greggs was planning on expanding outside the UK right before covid lol

>>19222573
based masa flour enjoyer

>>19222560
Turnovers are more popular for whatever reason. Almost the same thing. Hot Pockets, Jamaican patties, empanadas, etc.

>>19222569
I would honestly trade the hamburger as a meal you can get everywhere with a nice meat pie
Anyone can make a burger at home, it's easy and I can make a pretty good burger in less than 5 minutes if I really want to rush myself for whatever reason (normally more like 6-10 minutes).
Making a pie like this is so much more involved

>>19222560
What about Hot Pockets?

>>19222560
>They're perfect and I'm jealous that I basically can't get good ones here
>>19222569
>I don't know but it fucking sucks.
Yes these.

>>19222560
>chicken pot pie
I mean we got that and Shepherd's pie, don't know what else you need bro

>tourtière
>cipâte
>pâté au saumon
Savoury pies are pretty common in frogleafland. What we lack are handheld pies.

>>19222560
Pasties :]

>>19222560
Jamaican beef patties are very popular in America

>>19222669
Does that dish have a certain name? I see the beef patty but on the bottom looks like you got beef/rice/some type of cabbage salad and are those bananas or plantains fried up?

The whole thing looks really good. I've never tried a Jamaican place

we call it a:
>rat's coffin
...here, because it's not uncommon to find a rat's tail in your pie.

>>19222652
Based as fuck

see just like every other time you make this thread, there are a bunch of different cultures and cuisines in north america, most of which have multiple variations of a savory pie (because why would you ever turn that down, it's bread and either veggies meat or both bro)

>>19222669
that's a pastie

>>19222749
It's curry goat (extra gravy), rice and beans, plantains, cabbage and carrots
>>19222769
For you maybe. In America we call them beef patties

>>19222560
meh

You can get a Runza in Nebraska I guess.

>>19222818
That looks great anon. Did you make it?

>>19222833
Nah, I live in a small city with lots of Jamaican restaurants. This one is Oxtail which is by far yhe best Jamaican food but also very expensive

>>19222818
>beef patties
what else is in them besides beef?

>>19222560
as far as i know, meat pies are a thing in quebec

>>19222850
Literally nothing. They're a minced, almost pureed, spicy beef filling. You can also get them as chicken, pepper shrimp, or veggie

>>19222593
Could you imagine american retard wagies trying to make savory pies? They can barely operate a kitchen set up so the dumbest illiterate retard can operate it. The pies would have to be made in a factory and just popped into a commercial oven made specifically for them with only one button to press.

>>19222858
australian pasties have a mix of beef and veggies

also, i'm just reading this now:
>In 2001, a small American grocery and caterer in Gaylord, Michigan, Albie's Food, Inc., was sent a cease and desist letter from another US-based food company, The J.M. Smucker Company, accusing Albie's of violating their intellectual property rights to the "sealed crustless sandwich". Instead of capitulating, Albie's took the case to federal court, noting in their filings a pocket sandwich with crimped edges and no crust was called a "pasty" and had been a popular dish in northern Michigan since the nineteenth century.[citation needed] The Federal Court determined that Albie's Foods did not infringe on J.M. Smucker's intellectual property rights and was allowed to continue.[55]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasty
perhaps a beef patty is not a pasty or a hamburger patty

>>19222754
Where is "here"?

>>19222873
straya

>>19222873
it's in the dictionary and everything!

https://www.macquariedictionary.com.au/resources/aus/word/map/search/word/rat%20coffin/Sydney%20Region/

>>19222861
To be honest as someone who used to work in a shitty fast food job that's already the method for the more "complex" stuff.
They were pretty nice machines

>>19222871
So from what I gather, beef patties in Jamaica are derived from the pasty. Jamaica was British occupied for decades so a lot of cuisine was shaped around serving english tastes just like in india. So they probably made them to be similar to a pasty with whatever they had closest in ingredients

Made these a little while ago in the yooper style. Boiled water crust, beef, potato, onion, carrot, and rutabaga.

>>19222905
yes and then americans omitted the vegetables from the american version of the pasty

i wonder why americans don't like to eat their vegetables.

>>19222906
Looks like a tasty pasty. I bet a quick flash fry in super hot oil would give a nice crisp to them

>>19222906
What's yooper style??

>>19222911
I'm part Jamaican and been eating them my whole life, not once has my Jamaican grandfather ever mentioned veggies in them other than the straight up vegetable only ones. Same goes for empanadas in american, some do have veg and some don't but that usually varies depending on the regional version of each country that makes them

>>19222913
Like they do in the UP (Michigan). The story in my family is that the iron and copper miners there would bring them for lunch and hold them by the braided part to avoid getting their food dirty without needing utensils

>>19222920
i'm half maltese and half australian and i prefer a plain meat pie than a pasty even with the rat's tail.

because they are inferior to the burger

>>19222924
Good on ya cunt.

>>19222560
These do look really damn good so idk

You eat 1 and you're good for the next 6 hours. No sides or other shit required.

Just Concentrated food energy, carbs+protein

>>19222924
>half australian
as in abo? post your face, im interested

>>19222871
What veggies usually

>>19222953

>>19222962
what happened to your middle finger

>>19222958
peas, carrots, and potato are the defaults but if you're making your own you could just use whatever leftover vegetables you have.

>>19222963
motorcycle incident

>>19222962
no offense anon but you are fucking ugly.

>>19222850
They're heavily seasoned with aromatic spices, alliums and peppers. There's ginger, scotch bonnet (fruity and smoky), allspice, thyme, beef broth, and breadcrumbs to make it kinda moist and pasty. Insanely delicious, if you can find the brand in pic related, definitely pick one up, and imagine how much better they can be when fresh. It's unlike any other cuisine in terms of flavor, if you're imagining Indian or other cumin-ey profiles you're way off. It's just "tropical".

>>19222974
not posting my face so stop baiting

>>19222964
>peas, carrots, and potato

Good hearty stuff. I could see potato being "overload" with the crust (and it would take up too much space) but I wouldn't mind some peas & carrots in the meat mixture

>>19222978
>It's just "tropical".

Very interesting. This thread is makin me crave some Jamaican food

>>19222922
I had heard that a good pasty could fall down a mine shaft and not break. Men would bring them in the morning, and the filling should still be hot come lunch time. The pastry crust wouldn't necessarily be eaten, it was expected to get dirty, it was just a way to transport the meat and potatoes and keep em hot. Evidence of pasties being eaten in Cornwall mines date back to the Iron Age, although of course without the potato.

>>19222981
>I could see potato being "overload" with the crust (and it would take up too much space)
American moment

>>19222993
Interesting. I just looked it up and there was a large population of Cornish immigrants to the UP when the mines opened up. Then they must've taught it to the scandinavians and southern europeans that joined later and opened the pasty shops.

>>19222978>
>19222987
That brand of frozen ones is pretty solid desu. Almost as good as a fresh one

>>19223002
Why's that? If you have big chunks of potato in there its less room for the meat

And I think most people would agree the meat is the "good stuff"

>>19223027
It's about the symphony of flavors, the earthy starchy veg and meat together tastes better than the meat alone. With your thinking just go eat a steak and leave the pasty for us connoisseurs.

>>19222979
what? i thought that was your face

>>19222560
>savory pies
The dinner/savory equivalent of a pop-tart?
Yeah, why wouldn't anybody _not_ just dig into some unseen mystery stew?
Never understood why these would be popular anywhere.
But if I had to guess, I'd say (from a cultural background standpoint), the US and Canada were the only people not suffering from food shortages during WW2, and we're a little more picky?

got a lot of options for beef patties if you live in Toronto

>>19222652
nice to see some Lehto's living in US :3
t. Lehto from Finland

>>19223082
Aww, glad to hear! There's a lot of Finnish decent in the area; there's even some Finnish words borrowed into the dialect!

>>19223080
>unseen mystery stew

I mean c'mon is it that much more mysterious than a burrito or enchilada from some Mexican place? Or a pork roll from a chinese takeout?

>>19223081
Haha...high Jamaican immigrant population there?

>>19223081
This one looks really good. With that browned meat and thin flaky crust

>>19223054
Oh I thought you were this guy>>19222924

>>19223127
Yea, even non jamaican normies from Toronto like to use fake jamaican accent or random jamaican slang. "ya dun know!"

>>19223138
I've heard that about London too apparently

Its funny to me because Jamaica isn't that big a place. But has a big influence on places like a million miles away

>>19222560

>>19222560
Big burger keeping them down

>>19223148
>But has a big influence on places like a million miles away
I always say this about Jamaica, I bet you could go to some remote village in the Himalayas and play some Bob Marley song and you will find someone who gets it and has heard of the place.

>>19223166
How about big BBQ?

>>19223148
>>19223183
It's weird. As for Jamaica itself, they say that if you (the tourist) step foot outside the tourist areas, you're liable to get mugged and possibility kidnapped for ransom, South America style. And yet through musical diplomacy, Jamaica has retained this image of an island paradise.

t. can still hear Scientist playing on KJAH in GTA3

>>19223204
>through musical diplomacy,

And culinary diplomacy apparently

>>19222560
Obvious reasons the main one being no pie culture

As an Australian in America I have to admit I really miss these little fuckers.

The most nostalgic taste sensation is getting one of those horrific flash frozen 3.49 pies from out of the mini oven at a service station at 3 in the morning. The sheer staleness of the pastry mixed in with the shit like consistency of the nasty and cheap meat ... all salvaged by a couple of sauce packets, the kind you have to crack open by bending them in the middle.

Sauce going fucking everywhere.

The aftertaste of liquid shit and hyper processed tomato lingering for an hour.

The explosive molten shits

An Australian staple.

>>19222871
Been eating pasties forever. My dad is from upper Michigan so it's super common.
>be me, probably 6 or 8 years old
>go to the U.P. with dad
>stop at restaurant
>he picks up some frozen pasties (basically any restaurant or roadside market that has pasties will sell them frozen to take home)
>he orders two fresh ones to-go
>asks the cashier if they have ketchup packets
>"yeah... are... you going to suck the ketchup packet while eating the pasty and driving?"
>there's only one answer to that question
>leave and drive the rest of the way to grandma's house
>bite of pasty
>slurp ketchup packet
Good times.
>inb4 "you put your mouth on a ketchup packet! Omg! Someone jizzed on it beforehand!"
I'm sure the majority of anons have done this at least once with ketchup or some kind of sauce. Calm down.

>>19223783
haha what a quirky fun anecdote haha

haha

>>19222871
> suing people over food
do americans really?

>>19223702
I live in Asia now but smash so many meat pies when I go home.
They are pain to cook yourself.
Sausage rolls are doable but it's not the same as a good chunky beef and mushroom pie.

>>19222560
>Why didn't savory pies catch on in North America?
>Besides [savory pies] I can't think of any
I advocate public beatings for autistic children until they choose to be normal.

>>19223138
Even the mayor did it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMIrlvJfgvE

>>19222560
why not ya know just buy pizza pie crusts and beef stew?

>>19223892
same but with ESLs like you.

Runzas are pretty decent. Just ground beef and cabbage baked into bread. They're really good with some salt on them

Meaty pasties and beef pies are child as fuck.

>>19222560
we have burritos

>>19223826
USA = U Sue Anyone

Litigation is a major growth industry here.

>>19222669
That's not a pie

>>19222560
Haven't eaten one in years, I basically ruined pies for myself cause I used to have an endless supply of ferguson plarre pies for free, they used to be so good till they started cheaping out on the ingredients, since then no other pies seem to measure up so I just stopped eating them

>>19222560
empanadas are sort of making a push in some latinx places of the usa

>>19222861
>making a sosig roll or beef hand pie is complex
Do bongoloids really believe this?

>>19223826
What makes you think they're American, because they live in America? Ha!

>>19222922
>The story in my family is that the iron and copper miners there would bring them for lunch and hold them by the braided part to avoid getting their food dirty without needing utensils
checks out, the cornish pasty has a similar history of being a convenience food for tin miners to avoid poisoning themselves when they ate since arsenic was commonly found alongside tin

>>19222652
came here to mention Pasties. cornish miners would take them underground for lunch in northern michigan. i was always surprised they didn't catch on more in the lower peninsula, but they were always a treat when we headed up north for a trip.

>>19224507
>typical american reading comprehension

>>19222669
I've been seeing these around more recently which is great because they taste pretty good

>>19222978
For me, it's tower isle's

>>19222827
Lived in Omaha for 4 years and never once was tempted to try this sloppa. I'd rather make my own bierocks at home

>>19222669
indistinguishable from when my dog secretly throws up in the room I rarely use and I find it a few days later after it's dried up

>>19222560
It’s a thing in Louisiana. Natchitoches is the home of the state meat pie (very coveted title)

>>19222871
Haha Gaylord

Chad pie thread has been overrun by pattyfags/pastyfags as always. Keep your sloppa to yourselves and let pie appreciators talk about actually good food

savory pies are poverty food and northern burgerland seems to dislike that kinda stuff in general

>>19222560
Then make one you hapless zoomer spazz

>>19222827
i barfed one of those up once. it stank.

>>19222827
More like get the runza

>Why didn't savory pies catch on in North America?

Because we've got sliced bread and buns, mass produced, and cheap to turn out a variety of sandwiches at a rapid rate.

>>19223991
Look Bongistani, savory pie means savory pie. You can’t defend yourself.

>>19228285
retard, he's asking why don't other kinds of savory pies catch on. As expected of an ESL like you.

>>19222560
I made a steak pie once. It got excellent reviews from everyone who tried it but it took me like six hours from what I remember. Haven't tried it since

>>19222560
>I'm jealous that I basically can't get good ones here
Learn to cook, faggot

>>19222560
Because they're hard to make.

>>19222669
They're good, but it's not the same. Empanadas are also similar and common in many areas, but they don't scratch the same itch. I want a dang Sweeney Todd style meatpie sometimes, and I can never access one. And they're a pain in the ass to make.

>>19222560
God I miss these lil niggas. They used to carry all the classics, then weird ones from time to time like bacon maple. Never had anything bad from them. They also had breakfast pies which were great. Then they suddenly shut down almost all their locations overnight. I was so upset when the one by my apartment vanished.

>>19222858
I like them, but eating one always feels like a game of roulette where the loser bites into a weird gristly piece

>>19228457
adorable

>>19222861
>The pies would have to be made in a factory and just popped into a commercial oven made specifically for them with only one button to press.
That's probably also the exact same way that Greggs or any other chain bakers does it, the only difference is that it'll be in America so somebody'll film it and then all the Bongs will be outraged over Americans disrespecting the noble art of Greggs despite doing the exact same thing we do over here.
>>19226684
It really depends on the caliber of pie, if you're getting it from a chain bakery or chippy then it's effectively McDonalds-tier but if you got it from a nice farm shop then it's likely pretty good. Supermarket stuff is trashy as owt but the quality depends on where you shop, one from Iceland is obviously a council estate classic but something from M&S would probably be decent enough.

>>19222652
Pasties kick ass.

>>19224493
>sort of making a push
You live under a rock, they're everywhere
>In some Latinx places
Still live under a rock. Empanadas are Spanish and Portuguese

>>19222560
Looks like Fancy Feast that's why

>>19222669
damn that looks disgusting. Even worse imagining to being cooked in a filthy, cockroach infested Jamaican kitchen

>>19222652
>take american friend to cornwall
>grab some below-average pasties from a literally who cafe
>they act like it's the best shit they've ever had
It's an untapped market fellas

>>19231329
novelty is a helluva drug

>>19231329
>they act like it's the best shit they've ever had

Nah i mean, it is like the epitome of comfort food. It doesn't surprise me he liked them. Super savory, meaty, flaky crust delicious.

But that's the core of OP's question which is if they are such an easy hit then why haven't they been picked up in the U.S.

And you say "untapped market" but it's such a dead-simple thing it's not like some obscure niche item that's not known about.

Maybe a "hidden in plain site" sort of thing?

>>19231329
>be me, American
>go to visit my British friend in Cornwall
>a grim, foreboding feeling forms in the pit of my stomach as the airplane descends into a soup of industrial smog and smoke from innumerable barrel fires
>exit the airport to a sea of unwashed masses writhing in the streets, thieving gypsies and fat pasty drunken slags
>someone grabs me by the arm
>it's my friend, he hastens me into a hansom cab
>he wants to share some authentic British cuisine
>it's OK, he says, he knows the secret underground sewer routes to avoid the Asian rape gangs
>two hours of white-knuckle terror as the cab twists and turns through alleys and gutters like a roller coaster amid the screams and wails of Britain's poxed and gin-soaked hobbit underclasses
>finally we arrive
>it's a petrol station
>friend goes inside
>comes back with what appears to be a microwaved hot pocket filled with prion beef, cold eels, and maggots
>conflicted between horror and abject pity
>pity wins out
>"It's the best shit I've ever had, Brit-anon! Cheerio pip-pip hooray!"
>tears of gratitude flow down his cheeks, momentarily washing away the chimney soot

>>19232519
>airplane descends into a soup of industrial smog and smoke
>In Cornwall
Spotted the billy bullshitter. Cornwall is considered one of the most beautiful places in the world. Its declared An Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty

>>19232621
>posting a photoshopped pic

>>19232519
If you want to make a joke about the misery of living in the UK then you better actually fucking understand why living in the UK is so miserable in the first place.
>>19232837
>projecting Northern working class poverty and London elitism onto the rural Southwest
Come on anon, you can do better than this.

>>19230314
What I meant was that the whole concept of savory pies is born out of poverty, not the objective quality of them.

>>19232996
No it isn't. Pies were only eaten by noblemen, wealthy land owners and royalty

>>19222560
Duuuuuude, there was a British bakery that was tucked away near where my mom lives. I would see it every time I visited, but never went in. I finally said "screw it" and tried it and it was godly. 2 weeks later it closed.

>>19222560
Our "red meat encased in bread" itch was scratched by the burger and other sandwiches, probably thanks in no small part to the fact the idea of eating a hot meat pie while it's 50F and drizzling is more appealing than eating a hot meat pie when it's 85F and the sun is trying its level best to cook you alive.

>>19222669
grim

>>19232996
This mufucka thinks that something containing meat was "poverty" food.

>>19223892
Hey now, it’s not a choice. Being gay is a choice though

>>19222577
What does that have to do with pies
Greggs don't serve pies and they're shit anyway

>>19222560
I think the biggest problem here is these pies look like absolute shit because of the pastry. you look at it and you immediately think of extremely fatty low quality food

>>19234001
You think pastry is low quality?

>>19234006
yes. compared to something like this it's extremely basic and low quality. if you're gonna work with dough you might as well do it right. meat pies are simply not worth the effort

>>19222635
Shepards Pie is nice, haven’t had that in awhile

>>19222669
They’re not bad but they’re an an acquired taste

>>19223148
I think it really got into public consciousness with Cool Runnings

>>19234000
false distinction. I can eat a hand pie with a fork and knife if I want and I can pick up one of these and eat it with my hands.

>>19222560
pies fucking rule. god bless england for them. it would be interesting to see how they would have changed and varied from the different states, like your pizzas and hot dogs and shit

>>19222861
>The pies would have to be made in a factory and just popped into a commercial oven made specifically for them with only one button to press.
Isn't that how McDonalds makes their apple pies anyways?

>>19222669
>tfw i discovered they carry jamaican pasties at the dollar store

>>19234041
>compared to something like this it's extremely basic and low quality
bread isn't pastry you retard

>>19222560
>chicken pot pie
I mean, you literally just pointed out that they did catch on. Chicken pot pie, steak pot pie, sausage and gravy pot pie, they're all savory pies and you can find them in any grocery store in the frozen section. Marie Calendar and Banquet make them. I'm assuming you mean you can't find them in restaurants, and that's likely because they take a long time to make and really aren't worth the effort most of the time. Very rarely is there a savory pie that tastes any different from the frozen shit or the pre mades you can find at Sam's Club.

>>19234946
>savory pies and you can find them in any grocery store in the frozen section
I have never seen this in germany. I assume it doesn't exist in the rest of europe either

>>19222560
wish we had these in America

>>19234951
OP said North America.

>>19235001
can you buy frozen scotch eggs?

>>19235019
No idea. I've never seen them. I do know of an Irish restaurant near me (middle America) that has them though.

Idk where you live but every north american city ive lived in has at least one united kingdom style savory pie place

>>19235024
how much is it for one egg?

>>19222560
no different from a burger, but you don't need to bake the buns