/ck/ - Food & Cooking

coffee ice cream

Mr. Coffee arrives with high speed.

>>19196702
third!

For me, it's Home-Barista.com.

For me its the gaggia.

Is a $200 china shit like this serviceable and better than a bialetti? If not suggest one

>>19197079
looks like its time for the ultrasonic bath anon

>>19197097
The Aldi's(breakfast blend, the one with the rooster on it iykyk) machine was ~$170 more and still dogshit. You're looking at a bambino plus or gaggia. With Bed Bath and Beyond filing chapter 11, you might be able to snag some cheap breville shit soon.
https://youtu.be/tuFQbiIVUkw
https://youtu.be/U2TNEhrBU5Q
https://youtu.be/7HIGdYy5of4
https://youtu.be/y1LUkfpTtu0

>>19197112
Ty anon, i figured. That bambino looks great ill order one.

Is there major differences in moka pots? Which one should I get?

>>19197282
E&B Lab 6 cup moka.

>>19197350
Is it any good for an electric stove or do I need to buy a camping cooker

>>19197282
I've used a Bialetti one for years, I think my oldest is now 15 years old and still goes fine.
It's an aluminium one, 3 cup, with the iconic design.

Don't how it compares to others but the system and principle is so simple.

>>19196702
Clean your machine, man.

i have been looking for a gaggia classic pro as my first espresso mavhine, but i heard they're actually frustrating to use comparer with better machines? what's the cheapest espresso machine that's actually good

>>19197640
im fat as fuck and everything in here looks disgusting.

>>19197663
sage bambino plus

aw, crap. i forgot to remind you guys that my coffee > ur coffee.

>>19197663
Delonghi Dedica EC658.M

>>19197735
i literally have the smeg rebrand in a drawer. how do I make it make good coffee

>>19197663
delonghi ec155

>>19197663
Mr. Goffee café barista.

You won't be disappointed.

>>19197794
I already am

>>19197840
nice

>>19197282
Full stainless to avoid tasting metal, also avoid at all costs Bialetti for the quality of their Moka is trash and has gone down the drain.

I’d suggest the ILSA Slancio or the Mokista you can buy from here https://www.mokista.it/prodotto/la-tua-moka-definitiva-3-1-tazze-finitura-nera-in-acciaio-inox/

>>19197932
>to avoid tasting metal
retard

>>19197940
It’s true though, stainless stell is neutral and allows you to fully taste every note of your coffee whereas aluminium releases metal particles that can slightly alter it.

Besides, do you really want to ingest aluminium particles? I don’t.

>>19197663
Gaggias aren't that great stock but because they're so ubiquitous you can make a lot of aftermarket modifications to them using kits from various suppliers or the gagguino project.

Basically, for 90$ worth of junk from aliexpress you can turn your shitty gaggia into a machine with features not seen until the 3000$ price point using software some autiste put on Github using the gagguino circuit diagrams. Or, you can add manual temperature control and pressure control using separate kits made by other manufacturers. That's why it's a valuable machine. If you want something to just work and you don't value tinkering, listen to what the other anons said.

>>19197959
>>19197663
I'm not sure about frustrations with it because I never used mine stock, I installed a 9 bar OPV spring pretty much immediately to stop the overly strong pump from putting in too much pressure. I also have only ever used it with an 18g VST basket and some aliexpress puck screens, I've been getting good results out of it so far.

>Timemore
>Designed in china
>Made in china
Is it safe to use? Do they use some fucking toxic materials and aluminium

>>19197991
It's poison, buy comandante

>>19197663
Lelit Anna PL41TEM (the PID version) or if you can shed the extra the Lelit Grace PL81T is even better.

>>19198010
Ignore this, buy 1Zpresso

>>19197991
it is made from 100% premium grade A chinesium

>>19198023
Isn't that Chinese too?

>>19197956
>clean my aluminium moka
>no metal smell
>clean my stainless steel sink
>metal smell
yeh nah im good mate.
have fun being afraid of harmless materials.

>>19197079
Buy it used and save!

>>19196702
>>19197079

S E A S O N E D

>>19198029
Yes but since it uses coated steel, it’s not a big deal. If it was aluminium I would care, but stainless steel? It’s ok.

>>19198047
How do you know it's stainless steel instead of just crap?

>>19198055
Doesn’t rust

>>19197663
breville dual baloer

Bros, we find another of his websites with a sub brand.

This one is focused on luxury coffee and accessories (he even sells the comandante).

https://www.thecoffeetailor.it/

>>19198055
It would be pretty obvious if it wasn't actually stainless steel

>>19197959
>gagguino
I've got quite a few Gaggias myself

Are zassenhaus grinders any good for espresso?

>>19198078
>>19198085
Everytime i see this man i'm baffled.
Adonis must be jealous

>>19198107
imagine that cute lesbian birthing his babies

My new glass.

It’s not very practical.

>>19197932
I've had a Bialetti for ages, always felt a bit sketchy about the aluminum... This Mokista one looks pretty nice

>>19198124

>>19198124
>It’s not very practical
I don't know what you expected with a design like that.

>>19198093
The adjustment nut doesn't stay put but beside that they are supposed to be pretty good.

>>19198124
>glass
that is a cup
also
>he hasn't taken the slurp pill
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW-k2EvKThA
ngmi

>>19197991
>Buy a chestnut c3
>Can't make any coffee because afraid of the chinese shit
I hate my ocd

>>19198021
>Lelit Grace PL81T is even better.
Can you buy it in US? having trouble finding a shop that isn't in EU

>>19198142
>>19197991
Don't buy it from shebgshingzenjongingshon ltd from aliexpress and you are good. Real stores can't sell any dangerous crap without getting ass blasted by lawyers

Just snort a line of meth in the morning basically what your doing anyway and the way you talk about and get into it sounds like meth heads

>having trouble finding a shop that isn't in EU
https://www.amazon.co.uk/PL81T-semi-professional-espresso-solution-cappuccino/dp/B01D89AYGE

>>19198144
In the US you can get the PL91T which is the 58mm group version with slightly bigger and powerful boiler and it also comes with an IMS double basket standard.

>>19198146
>he thinks we just so it for the caffeine
>junkies can't even contemplate having a tasty cup of coffee
many such cases

>>19198146
If Alberto saw this post he would be disappointed.

>>19198152
Huh what the fuck I fucked up my post.

That moka picture was meant to be attached to this message:

>>19198127
I had old Bialetti moka pots at home, like early 2000s and the difference in quality with the ones I bought at the beginning of this year is day and night.

I bought a 3 cups one at the store and the 1 cup on Amazon and both of them had quality issues, mainly they were full of scratches, rough and sharp edges, the aluminium cast had imperfections and impurities…such a shitshow and I paid respectively 21 and 25€ for this trash.

I bought them without research because as an Italian Bialetti means moka, every Italian has one at home, but the last years ones are shit and have nothing do to with older products which were of good quality. It enrages me that their products are still made in Italy, at least the Moka Express, and this quality is unacceptable.

Picture related

>>19198133
Nothing, really, it was one of the gifts from Nespresso that came with the pods in the years. Never used it.

>>19198152
DementiaAny%

>>19198158
I used if 3 times/day for 4 weeks before sending it back to Amazon. I should be safe.

>>19198145
Or just buy preground coffee, you baby

>>19198169
How to dial in sir?

>>19198145
> Real stores can't sell any dangerous crap without getting ass blasted by lawyers
I don't think this is true

>>19198146
do you think chefs only cook for the nutritional content of the food?

Wow, Alberto truly has taste for artisanal products of every kind.

Do you think he packs a lot of money?

https://ilgergo.com/en/collections/calzature-uomo

>>19198207
S O V L

>>19198207
Automatic grinders and tampers make me mad for some reason

>>19198265
With a pair of Italian shoes like this my coffee shall never be bad, ever.

Let's be honest here.
The Coffee Tailor is just an excuse to buy this Arbizzoni iron printing press built in Monza, 1890.

>>19198127
The Mokista is nice and looks good.

I hope someones ITT buys one of these and reviews them.

>>19198292
God he is /fa/ as fuck, I kneel.

How am I supposed to be dressed when I meet him?

>>19198297
If you really enjoy coffee you'll know how to dress.

>>19198297
https://files.catbox.moe/hxnjt1.mp4

What price range would you consider fair/good for a secondhand lelit Anna (PL041)? I've been considering pulling the trigger on my first machine soon and was trying to decide whether to keep an eye out for a good price on a GCP or try my luck on one of the lelit models, but wasn't sure about what would constitute a good deal on one. My understanding is that the Anna out of the box is a much more capable machine than the gaggia, is this correct? I'm also not against putting in some DIY work to improve whatever I get my hands on if I can significantly improve its performance.

>>19198297

>>19198292
can you please stop shitting up this general with this insufferable italian faggot.
ill take Ethiopian fruit bomb/burr/aeropiss schizo posting over this any day.

>>19198324
The Anna (PID version) is way better than the stock Gaggia and has more steam punch, the only downside is that it has a 57mm group so it's a bit harder to find the accessories (you will find everything you need though).

Precision 57mm baskets from Ascaso can be found here: https://www.bluestarcoffee.eu

>>19198326
Lmao

>>19198331
>Insufferable

Lol, I'd take 1000x Alberto Trabatti over that inbred A*glo idiot you redditors like to shill everyday.

>>19198326
blessed depiction

what would be the ideal roast for this type of unit? does anything go or should it be specifically espresso? recommendations welcome

>>19197640
i'm underweight and everything in here looks delicious

>>19198353
>i'm underweight and everything in here looks delicious
And this is it.
The perfect example why you never shop for groceries hungry.

>>19198333
How can you tell whether it's the PID version when looking at secondhand if the seller doesn't specify? I've done a bit of looking into the model numbers but it seems like Lelit uses a lot of very similar model numbers that sellers don't tend to specify minor versions on.

Would you consider ~$300 usd to be a steal if the seller looked legit?

>>19198352
medium
light roasts are very hard to brew correctly with a moka and you will fuck it up without even knowing what you are looking for
dark roast belongs in the trash

>>19198363
The PID is on the front. Pic rel.

>~$300 usd to be a steal
Found PL41TEM (NO PID) made in 2012 for 150. Unless yours is PID i would wait.

>>19198363
You can tell that it's the PID version because it has the screen on the top left part.

Also there's PL41TEM written on it, somewhere.

Idk about the price because I'm in Europe.

>>19198372
Ah, gotcha thanks

>Found PL41TEM (NO PID) made in 2012 for 150
Where did you find that? Any particular places worth keeping an eye out besides just ebay and local sellers on shit like fb market?

>>19198207
I keep seeing shitty vids of this fatass. Why does he keep making them?

Someone gifted me some dark roasted pre-ground coffee. I decided to try it on my moka. It had amazing notes of earth and ash. Got thrown down the sink.

>>19198138
Fuckin hell I did a Hoffman level autismoslurp today in an all hands zoom call, thought I was muted. Jesus

>>19198150
Lmao

How did italianos grind their coffee in the past? Like 100-200 years ago

>>19198207
Patrician results without the busy work.

>>19198369
should the beans only be "espresso" type?

>>19198403
Slurp on the headphone cucks

>>19197079
Good source of minerals

>>19198431
only if you trust the roaster not to give you dark roasted beans
i often find roasters who think espresso = dark roast
if you want to order beans from a roaster and are not able to find the information you desire dont be afraid to email or call the roaster and ask them directly.
i have found when ordering beans that if i choose the filter option that it is a medium light instead of just medium.
...
i hope you are ordering from a specialty roaster that roasts to order 3 times a week.
if you aren't getting beans at most 4 days after roasting its not worth the money.
also be careful of bean sellers who are not roasters and are just middle men.

>>19198397
>dark roasted pre-ground
are you sure they didnt gift coal dust as a joke?

>>19198142
>>19197991
Pls, is timemore safe to use. I'm panicking like crazy

>>19198471
Yes it is.

Now buy 1zpresso

>>19198471
Fun fact: Alberto Trabatti @ Torrefazione Penazzi told me that he’s now selling Time more grinders.

If they’re good for him, they’re good for you too Anon. Sleep tight.

>>19198493
I don't want to buy another one atm, I already have a chestnut c3

>>19198618
You made a mistake.

>>19198621
It was the best available for me, but I'm afraid of it.

>>19198387
Found it on my country's craigslist.
The name of the game is patience. Look on craigslist, fb marketplace, ebay.

>>19198138
>Slurping intensifies

>>19197991
I can't imagine what kind of fucked up metal those chinks would have to use for the toxicity to transfer to the coffee grounds by touch

How do I know if I had good coffee? I live in a rural town that has only gas stations serving drip coffee and one small hut that serves nespresso.

>>19196702
espresso

>>19198757
Lead, cadmium, poor aluminium? It's not that by touching but by leaving traces of metal by disintegrating

>>19198760
you and every person you have ever seen or interacted with has never had real or good coffee in their entire lives.

>>19198787
It's kinda sad, I'm jealous of all the city slickers

>>19198769
sounds like something they would use actually

>>19198757
Threaded aluminum catch cups were a poor choice.
>>19198793
Be the change you want to see.

>>19198794
That's why I'm panicking like crazy

>>19198793
>what is internet
>what is online shopping
>what is home delivery

Nigger, just order a good moka, a grinder and explore roasters to try all the coffee you can find. It’s up to you to brew good coffee Anon.

>>19198823
But would I recognise when I've made a good cup? Would a reference point of something great be beneficial

>>19198827
Oh you'll know.

Hello coffee heads, as a city slicker i want to help my parents, who're from a rural town, have better coffee.


And to be the change >>19198798 i decided to gift them a superauto. Let's be honest, they ain't gonna mess around with no grams, grinders, or precision baskets.


Superauto to the rescue haha.


So my question to you Kahwa -xperts is the next one:

Would the Jura ENA8 be a good choice for my rural parents to have some good city slicker coffee for the rest of the their lives?

Would they know if they had good coffee with the Jura ENA8 superauto?

>>19198827
If it tastes good, then you made a good cup of coffee.

>>19198838
Did he review the E8?

I only found the E6 test: https://youtu.be/uYHqIB1ZwNk

Btw anon, I’m on the same boat as you and was thinking of doing the same.

>>19198850
What a nice gentleman

>>19198838
They would pick up on the lack of SOVL immediately.

>>19198793
>I'm jealous of all the city slickers
0.1% of those "city slickers" have ever had real or good coffee.

>>19198850
>Did he review the E8?
Not to my knowledge.
Following the E6 it must be an even better capsule antidote.

>>19198862


For the moment the neither have good coffe nor SOVL.


With a superauto like the Jura E6 or the Jura ENA8 here>>19198838 they would at least have good coffee.

Would you agree with me in seeing this as an improvement?

>>19198827
idk, watch these and figure it out.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU1y7hBSgiY
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSEgP4VNynQ
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEZZCQTSSAg
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-iNAyu-ejo
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9YnLFrM7Fs
that should cover the basics.

>>19198898
No they'll be left with under-performing counter clutter once it breaks/they get tired of fucking with it. Jura makes some spare parts available but they're designed to break. Its called planned obsolescence. Save your money. Chineseum assembled in portugal for $2500. If you're willing to waste that, just buy them a p64 and profitec go. At least you'll get some decent gear back once they're bored of it.

>>19198933
>they get tired of fucking with it.
>At least you'll get some decent gear back once they're bored of it.

Baseless assertions. Really not helpfull i must say. Please go back to /b/ if trolling is the only thing you know.

>>19198973
$2k gets you alot of grinder and alot of gear. P64+Bambino+Ratio 6. If you're convinced on the jura, buy it. Post the receipt.

Moka-frà can you post a video of your Giannina without filter?

>>19199003
Thank you for your time but not for your help.


I have time and so will wait for a more knowledgeable baristanon.

Today I had my coffee in the same bowl I had some oatmeal in yesterday because I mixed some whey powder into the oatmeal and I don't want to miss out on precious nutrients.

>>19199009
Ok anon, I was just going to make goffee right now as I’m finished having dinner.

Only thing, I’m going to make 1 cup rather than 3.

im not taking the bait and neither are you.

>>19199031
I had a bowl of corn flakes Saturday, and to be efficient I put my coffee over them.
instant coffee (pic related) milk, nestle quick.

>>19199042
Thanks for recording.
>I’m going to make 1 cup rather than 3.
Great. We'll have a data to compare when you'll do 3.

>>19198520
Or he doesn't know

>>19199083
Converting and uploading right now.

Pic related is the no filter aftermath, as expected.

>>19199099
Did you have as many grounds in the cup with the bialetti?

Here we go: Continental torrefazione 100% arabica - lowest fire (!), ambient temperature filtered water, no aeropress filter.

https://files.catbox.moe/gajnpd.mp4

This evening the Giannina made fantastic coffee, very good and dense, I instantly can tell the effects of the removal of the filter because I can feel the “muddy” coffee in my mouth but it doesn’t disturb me at all because I think it adds flavour.

I love this quirky moka pot.

>>19199103
Yes, maybe more with the Bialetti because the Giannina has narrower holes in the upper filter.

>>19199124
AI generated fingers are weird.

>>19197991
I don't know what to do

>>19199131
Sell it and buy a kinu or comandante.

>>19199124
S O V L

Thank you again for fulfilling my request. The cuppa looks real good. Pure enjoyment of a cuppa.

>maybe more with the Bialetti because the Giannina has narrower holes in the upper filter.
At least it's an upgrade.

>>19199156
They are too expensive

>>19199165
Then deal with the eventual effects of a neurotoxic metal crossing the blood-brain barrier and accumulating until you can afford one. Grinders are minimal risk since the inside shouldn't be scratching. Wipe the threads on your catch cup often to remove any alu dust. Aluminum boilers and mokas are a different story.

>>19196702
Just ordered about 2 lbs of 100% Kona coffee. 10oz of it is Peabody beans. What am I in for? Am I going to be meme’d?

Best brewing methods? I have a moka pot and a french press.

>>19199202
I'd rather be sure that there isn't any danger. As an ocd faggot this is really important shit for me.

>>19198124
That mug has an artistic notch per the artist, it’s not meant to be practical or useful

>>19199164
It's definitely an upgrade.

I was thinking of upgrading to the E&B precision filter but I don't know if it fits my Giannina (it's universal for aluminium moka pots but it needs to be compatible with stainless ones because they have different filter sizes), when I remove the gasket I'll measure it and see.

For now the coffee is so good I don't think I need to upgrade, also grit in my cup doesn't disturb me unless it adds unpleasant bitterness or acidity, but this is not the case because by always using 100% arabica my coffee tends to be always naturally sweet, even though I add 1/3rd of tea spoon of sugar to my cups.

Notably, the Giamaica decaf has been the sweetest one by far and I drink it without added sugar.

>>19199211
>Kona coffee
Is this russian Kona coffee or the american one?

>>19199214
If its that big of a deal, don't use it. Aluminum is a known neurotoxin. If you do use it, try not to ingest too much of the aluminum alloy body. The burrs are made of SUS 420 steel. Thats not a joke.

>Detailed statistical analyses showed that aluminium was significantly increased in each of these disease groups compared to control tissues. We have confirmed previous conclusions that the aluminium content of brain tissue in Alzheimer’s disease, autism spectrum disorder and multiple sclerosis is significantly elevated. Further research is required to understand the role played by high levels of aluminium in the aetiology of human neurodegenerative and neurodevelopmental disease.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32385326/

>>19199257
From Hawaii, grown in volcanic soil and blessed by Kamehameha himself

>>19199259
The aluminium is the least of my worries, I don't like it but I'm more afraid of everything else that might be there.

>>19199263
Noice.
Please report back with your experience.

>>19199274
Then you're good. Timemore has been around for a decade. Run 50g through it, toss it those grounds, and call it a day.
https://timemorecoffee.en.alibaba.com/company_profile.html

>>19199259
People drink constantly out of aluminum cans, I don't think a fucking grinder does jack shit to anyone

>>19199124
Very nice anon, good job and good coffee.

>>19199327
BPA(also bad for you) lined cans but yeah. Grinders shouldn't be shedding aluminum. Boilers and mokas are a different story. Apparently the new 2023 gaggia has a new coated boiler so this shit doesn't happen anymore, but I'm sure the coating will give you cancer.

>>19199379
Hey you seem knowledgable about this.
Are any of these caffè machines made of aluminum?

>>19196726
>check the supermarket for coffee ice cream
>there isn't a single one from any brand
bros???

>>19199440
These are some seriously big feet

>>19196702
This is how I like my coffee

>>19199440
The cloudy ones. Anything shiny could also just be plated. Those are the baby faema's with steel filter holders and alu handles too.

>>19199523
The Italians need them to crush coffee beans just like they do with grapes when they make wine. It’s a med thing.

>>19199540
You know the saying..
Big feet,
Big socks.

>>19199545
Thouthand thanks, a true well of inormation.
>faema
Perhaps you know the answer but what do the stars stand for in pic rel? I've seen white stars, black stars, black and white stars, different number of stars..
The stars arouse my curiosity.

>>19199611
Shit wrong pic rel.

>>19199616
Not sure. Faema has been around since the 40s so I'm sure its just denoting revisions/models over the years. Here's a pretty good resource on vintage italian levers if you're interested in poking around. The robot isn't the only baby fae clone.
http://www.francescoceccarelli.eu/m_faema_eng.htm

>>19199611
>>19199616
>>19199667
Just found out each star represents a decade of history.
Really cute lever machine.

>>19196702
>>19197079
Shit like this is why the moka is 1000 times superior to espresso machines.
All it takes is to rinse it under hot water and let it dry, then once a month you make a brew using 50% and 50% white vinegar and it’s all disinfected and descaled, like new.

>>19199779
>not shilling the kamira
ngmi

>>19199855
Why would I?
The Kamira is a toy you would use for 1-2 months before putting it away forever when the novelty effect wears off.
The only redeeming quality is that it’s “cheap” at 79€, unlike other toys like the 9barista or Bacchi stove top espresso makers which are expensive as fuck for no reason at all.

Just stick to the moka, if you want espresso then buy an espresso machine.

>>19199930
There's no reason a good espresso machine costs more than 40€.

>>19196702
Post your daily driver

>>19200242
Fun fact: that Bialetti is 6 months old

>>19197382
Electric should be fine. If you have induction don't get an aluminum one. Also, I don't like aluminum because alzheimers
>>19197640
These don't look incredibly appealing to me. I've been liking yogurt + raspberries with my coffee lately.
>>19197663
>cheapest
lever
>>19198357
>get hungry
>never shop for groceries because hungry
>starve to death
thanks retard
>>19198403
based and appreciated
>>19199064
>>19199031
I know a lot of people who take their coffee in a big bowl instead of a cup. I think it's strange
>>19199257
can't get russian kona anymore because of sanctions

+1gal of 2019 Xiaguan Sweet into the crock. How are your jars doing kombuchaboys?

>>19200286
>don't like aluminum because alzheimers
>>>/x/

>>19200663
FUCK

>>19199379
I was blown away when I found out aluminum cans have a plastic liner.

>>19199453
Even shithole supermarkets should have Haagen Dazs coffee flavor which is pretty good. I know B&J used to make one as well that wasn't as good as HD but I haven't seen it in a while. There used to be Turkey Hill's "Double Dunker" that was coffee flavored ice cream with cookie dough and oreo pieces, a favorite of my childhood, which was unfortunately turned into "frozen dairy dessert" ZOGslop and it's not available as actual ice cream anymore.

what mokka por do i go for. i want like a 2-4 cup machine and it has to work on induction

>>19199379
Is the outside lined as well? If not then best of both worlds. Get fucking cancer from the bpa and can't remember to cure it because alzheimers.

>>19198303
>cycling cap and rain jacket with jeans and hiking shoes
Ahhh can't take this

>>19198124
One of my aunts is an artisanal Potter and she makes cups like this (actually much better looking) but i have never met her.
Maybe i should go meet her sometime and get myself a nice mug. She's also kinda hot I've just seen pictures

>>19201132
I know right?
You think Alberto rides in these?

>>19200974
ILSA slancio 4 cups with reducer

>>19200974
stainless steel bialetti

>>19201553
NO FUCK BIALETTI PORCO DIO

https://www.amazon.it/Ilsa-Coffee-Maker-Slancio-Induction/dp/B005CXVKWW/

>>19201557
>AU$125
https://www.amazon.com.au/Slancio-Espresso-Induction-Stainless-Silver/dp/B005CXVKWW
hard pass

>>19201559
Perkahps the Mokista is more up your alley.

>>19201559
It costs 2x the Bialetti but it lasts 30 years rather than 2 weeks.

Bialetti has a trash quality, I warned you.

Also the ILSA has a reducer so you have 2 moka in 1 since you can either make 2 cups or 4.

>>19201565
He’s in Australia. It seems.

On the Aussie Amazon the prices are high, the quality moka such as the ILSA, Giannina and Alessi 9090 costs only 2x the mainstream trash Bialetti, so it makes sense to go premium imho.

>>19201567
>rather than 2 week
i've had my bialetti for about fifteen years and there's no sign of wear on the rubber ring, which is the weak point for moka pots.

>>19201572
Damn shit's expensive down there.

>>19201577
>i've had my bialetti for about fifteen years and there's no sign of wear on the rubber ring
Never replaced the rubber ring in 15 years? impressive.
Do you use an ultrasonic cleaner after each brew?

>>19201585
>Do you use an ultrasonic cleaner after each brew?
no, i rinse under running water immediately after brewing

>>19201577
Look older posts.

Modern Bialetti is trash and they make many of their pots in China, with the exception of the moka express like that it’s made in Italy but the quality is so rubbish I had to return 2 of them because I was genuinely scared to drink pieces of aluminium.

All the shops which I visited and the sellers I talked to told me that Bialetti is rubbish compared to 10-15 years ago, in fact they didn’t even sell them at their shops.

With that said, all stainless included handle and cap is cool and everlasting because plastic handles can melt or broke.

My Giannina is all stainless and while costing 85€ on Amazon (110€ in shops) has a 10 years warranty which is long as fuck. Bialetti offer the classic 2 year warranty. This makes you think.

>>19201585
Strangely enough, the top moka pots like pic related (Alessi 9090) cost as much as what we would pay them in Europe.

>>19201595
I think the aussie is just weird.
AU$125 is 75€ and seems correct for a ILSA slancio 4 cups with reducer sold down under.

>>19201612
yea well that weirdo just bought your garbage

>>19201612
if i was to purchase it from an australian retailer i'd be paying $210

https://caffebianchi.com.au/product/ilsa-slancio-1-cup-satin/

>>19197640
>>19199540
I wanna cram food down her throat

>>19201622
>sold by Amazon Germany

Wut

>>19201626
You should be used to getting fucked by the Australian economy by now. Why do you think you guys overpay for shit coffee?

>>19201637
>you guys overpay for shit coffee
wrong opinion

>>19201622
Based, can’t wait for your review anon.

Meanwhile have a review:

https://youtu.be/15rJJds5ukA

>>19201635
yea it seems i have to buy my italian metal from germany

>>19201643
What’s the price for a Giannina restyling or la tradizione?

>>19201642
cheers, bro. that was one of the two reviews that watched before buying it. i wanted to see it brew and it seems to do a good job.

i'll find out in two weeks

>>19201645
very much!

>>19201641
Your Aussie funbucks just don't go as far on the open market. Simple economics.

>>19201622
Great news.
Enjoy your newly moka pot. Looking forward to hear your impressions.

>>19201651
i'm pretty sure that out trade agreement with coffee growing countries is much stronger than yours and we only have the best coffee down here. also fuck off we're full.

>>19201653
the man in the vid doesn't realise why the default coffee to be ordered in australia is the flat white so we can sit and have a chat while we drink our coffee with frenz. not as many australians order an espresso here, which is what he was talking about.

and we simply brew better coffee than they do

>>19201654
LOL. Keep sipping that commodity grade Sumatra.

>>19201668
keep scratching your own ego to no avail

what americans don't realise is that southern hemisphere bros all look out for each other and the best coffee is grown in the southern hemisphere and given to australians (the rulers of the southern hemisphere) to enjoy.

we only give the garbage beans to the war-torn northern hemisphere. that's why all the wars are in the northern hemisphere. it's because they drink bad coffee.

>>19201672
>>19201681
95 a kg for y3 papua new guinea and Timor.

>>19201664
it's obvious he's italian look how much his hands move.
he sees it thru his eyes, you see it thru yours.
crazy how we perceive our lives as if we're the center of the universe.

>>19201689
yeah, i wasn't doubting his origin but he said that italian coffee was better and then gave an example of how espresso is a faster service in italy who drink it standing then leave while australians prefer to sit and enjoy coffee with company. two different experiences but neither is better or worse than the other, imo. i regularly do both.

and i've been to italy and genuinely believe that melbourne brews a better cup. other wise i'd be living in italy.

>>19201688
>95 a kg for y3 papua new guinea and Timor.
?

>>19201695
You are just like the ice cream vendor in Alberto's article.
https://www.comunicaffe.it/trabatti-gestori/
>Io gli chiesi: che caffè usi? E lui mi detto il nome dell’azienda. Ma quale caffè? La risposta è stata eloquente: la miscela migliore

>Continua Trabatti: “Ma cosa contiene? Non lo sapeva. Gli ho fatto presente che spendeva una cifra folle, senza sapere cosa ci fosse effettivamente dentro. Non ha pensato però di fare ulteriori domande per capire il mio prodotto. E’ solo restato sconsolato per l’aver constatato di spendere soldi per un caffè che non era il migliore della zona.

>>19201693
>he said that italian coffee was better
he did not.
if you have trouble reading you can pause the webm anytime.
now perceive how you project

>>19201705
what makes you think i understand any of that gibberish and care enough to translate it?

>>19201708
he said that he prefers italian coffeee which implies that it's better. you're a moron .

Whenever I follow a ratio guide for grams of coffee to grams/ml of water, my coffee never comes out how I like. I use the right grind, I use the right water, etc. And it comes out good, but never perfect. I have more success getting coffee that tastes perfect to me by just guessing the amount of beans instead of measuring them out.

I use a 1:16 typically. What can I change/do to make it better every time?

>>19201711
l'ignoranza è beatitudine

>>19201649
So like 178€.

Considering the import fees it has to be expected. Sad.

>>19201721
you project your ignorance

>>19201715
>he prefers italian coffeee which implies that it's better TO HIM
at least know your own language if you're going to be a monoglot retard

>>19201729

>i prefer the least quality thing
you're not someone i want to know

>>19201727
ǝdoɔ

>>19201681
based and truth pilled.

>>19201681
>>19201770

>>19201805
Sir please delet

>>19201805
you project your ignorance

>>19201805
>coffee
have vague is that
show me green coffee bean imports or fuck off.

>>19201688
every png and east timor coffee I try is burnt to shit

>>19201888
>the only world trade he's aware of is the one his government helped down
>show me
kek

I dont understand the difference between a natural and a wash. I mean I get that one is washed and the other is just left to dry in the sun, but I dont get why its different or what it changes

>>19201888
Weird its all cheap commodity grade south americans and png with a little viet and indian robusta.
>>19201909
Its an attempt to roast the shit notes out. You see it in sumatrans as well.

>>19201954
Thought the title of that was in the image.
>Figure 2. Australian imports by type of coffee and its main sources in 2021 (USD)
https://adepteconomics.com.au/coffees-economic-contribution-in-australia/

>>19201932
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yagagM7SlWs
tldw: natural is better and has deeper more complex flavor.
washed is trash, actually a puddle of flavor.

>>19201932
Beans are "cherry" seeds. The cherry has sugars and other good flavorful shit in the pulp. Leaving the pulp on while the bean dries lets flavor seep into the bean. Higher chance for spoilage, but you don't need a washing plant. Takes more time and more effort. Washed coffees are a quicker process and a "cleaner" cup since you're separating the seed from the fruit mucilage and losing that flavor. Honey process is somewhere in the middle. Its a pulped natural. Instead of letting the whole fruit dry with the bean, they remove the skin and leave varying amounts of the "goo" on. Takes even more work to avoid rot since the skin isn't attached to protect shit during drying.

>>19201565
God, look at the tie this man is wearing.

Alberto is the man I aspired to be for all my entire life: nice, lovable, extremely elegant and well mannered, smells nice, has a refined taste for good things and is as pure as a diamond.

I bet that he drives a Lexus (a car that is for connoisseurs in Europe since they're rare and associated with exquisite craftmanship), a dark blue one with tan semi aniline leather interior with walnut veneer trims and his car smells like coffee, it's such a pleasant experience being passenger inside it.

For the love of Christ someone buys a Mokista™ for we truly need to test its performance.
From the pictures alone it's clear that it's a nice product with good craft and finishes, look at the screws, everything looks artisanal and well put togheter.

I bet 500€ that it's also priced at the production cost because Alberto cares more about educating people using the good stuff to brew excellent coffee than vile money earned by selling his products.

>>19202025
>look at the screws
He even made it user serviceable.
What a gentle soul he is.

The compositions of his self-portrait photographs are incredible.

>>19202020
>that tie & pocket square

>buy goffee
>the paper bag it comes in isn't simply a piece of paper folded by a machine with an image and text printed by an industrial printer
>it's an artisan work who cut and worked the paper by hand, applied the metal button and used a vintage instrument to impress the image and texts by applying ink on a metal sheet with everything engraved on it.

Am I supposed to throw it in the trash after I'm done removing the beans from the bag? Hell no.

I need to respect that man's work.

Even the box the Mokista comes in has fucking SOVL.

I can't take it anymore bros.

>>19202081
>...I told you I was printing...and here are the first labels of the new Single Origin Brasil Black Pearl, the black pearl among the delights of that country. Grown in Minas Gerais, its tiny beans but overflowing with dark cocoa aroma will be a show in your Moka. Available from Monday on the online Drogheria, in the two states, pre-ground or in beans. The definitive Coffee for your Moka, more and more definitive...

>>19202102
>If you select "ground for Moka" instead of beans, the package will consist of 2 bags x 125g each, in order to optimally preserve the fragrance.

Based and anti oxidation pilled

The coffee memorabilia this man possesses is out of this world.

>Asked to over to my uncles
>He just got a new espresso machine, needs help pulling shots
>Haven't done volumetrics on a bar since I left coffee 18 months ago, but it's a chance to see his new setup
>Delonghi specialista prestigio(?)
>Few annoying bits. Only 8 steps on the grinder, have to turn off the bar so I can redistribute before tamping
> it retails at €700-€900 depending on where and when you get it
>Better stuff at that price point, but looks nice for all the plastic I suppose
>Asks if I want one
>"I'm good, €700-€900 is a bit much for me and it right now considering what else is available"
>"Anon, I know the distributer, I can get you one for €250"
>mfw
Every deficiency it has compared to stuff by Sage, Gaggia etc is immediately brushed aside at that price. I told him to grab me one, I'll just use my commandante to grind for espresso. Just hope the dosing jar fits the 51mm portafilter...

>>19202124
Imagine being him and craving coffee: which tool would you pick to brew you a cuppa?

I like to think that he uses even the vintage moka pots he has on display.

>>19198898
I studied the Jura E6 because it looks like a nice package for someone who wants good coffee without having to deal with all the SOVLFUL things that we love like grinding, weighing, coffee powder everywhere, etc..

On paper it looks comfy because it even does the basic and advanced maintenance routine like descaling all by itself requiring very minimal input if nothing at all, so it clearly is cool for someone who's used to nespresso but wants to drink good coffee.

The price for the E6 is north of 900€ but I'm sure that during black friday and other Amazon bullshit sales it can be found for 700-800€ which isn't bad considered that for the semi automatic + grinder I wanted (Lelit PL81T + Eureka Mignon Zero) I would've spent the same + accessories. It's honest and besides if compared to nespresso you save money on coffee when you ditch the awful capsules.

How big of a company is Timemore? I'm still afraid of using my grinder, because I can't trust the chinese when there isn't a big bad figure like eu watching their work.

>>19202134
Nepotism is based.

>>19202134
Excellent performance. You'll get some great goffee out of that machine no doubt.

>>19202135
I wonder if he has a favourite. With so much diversity he must have a lot of knowledge.

>>19202238
Does it have a ce mark? If so you can trust. I work with certifying medical products and eu, at least Germany is quite thorough so you can also check which notified body did the audit/conformity check. For that you need the digits printed in conjunction with the ce mark. If no mark or no digits, assume asbestos and black plague

>>19196702
I’m retarded and forgot to clean my Flair before I left town and now it got moldy on the underside. It had made its way inside the basket. What do? Bleach soak?

>>19202286
Ultrasonic cramming

>>19202286
lmaoing at your life, you're the "can't clean mesh" anon right? Rinse bros we just can't stop winning

>>19202241
You're god damn right it is
>>19202249
I was quite impressed with the machine. The hopper and grinder are...annoying, as is the articulation on the steam wand. But then it does some interesting shit, like the steam wand tip itself, it has three steam holes, which is really nice. Then "variable" temperature, fair enough only three settings, and won't tell you which. I can figure that out with my temp probe when it arrives.
I'll be sure to do a write up from an autists point of view when it arrives

>>19202324
What the fuck are you talking about
If I just let it sit in bleach for a while am I gonna die of the plague or not?

>>19202254
It doesn't because it's a chinese company. But I bought it from cremashop

>>19202254
Flair doesn't have any marks, so is that asbestos too?

>>19202455
Check on the box

>>19202458
Nothing anywhere

>>19202455
>>19202238
>Can't use grinder
>Can't use flair
Nice 400 bucks down the drain

>>19200242
ezpz

>>19202479
Just means no 50 yo nosebreathing German engineer with a mustache and 32 years of experience has validated the safety of the product (you want this). You can still chose to trust a small company on the other side of the pöanet with zero accountability (you do not want this)

>>19202550
Blessed setup

>>19202568
God fucking dammit, what the fuck do I do now. I'm stuck with this crap, lost my money and can't find anything safe in the same price category to replace them. The timemore scares me more but now I'm paranoid about the flair too for not being aproved. Eventhough I bought it from a local store.

>>19202582
Flair is in california, so It's even more regulated and monitored than eu, and timemore is a legimate company. There's stainless steel and some plastic in both, the worst that could happen is aluminum getting into your coffee if those chinamen just didn't care about their quality.

>>19202582
I was just yanking your chain with the grinder, its not covered by any directive so does not need the mark. But its weird with the flair, as pressure equipment over 0.5 bar does need it

>>19200242
is that a 200$ cast iron pan?

>>19201805
>>19201924

>>19202599
The how do I know if the grinder is safe or the flair?
I don't want to end up in a hospital after 6 years and they say "whoops there was asbestos in the grinder and now you have cancer haha"

>>19202621
Took you this long to understand that text? Impressive.

>>19202623
I hate when that happens. Better be safe than cancerous.

>>19202621
Are abbos into coffee?

>>19202641
All the construction workers of 60-70s probably hated when it happened

>>19202641
>Took you this long
do you unironically not understand time zones and sleep paterns?

american ignorance yields it's ugly head yet again

>>19202652
I've heard NYC firefighters having some problems early 00s.

>>19202656
You could've said yes.

>>19202646
i really don't know because i don't associate with them but i don't think they do. i think they prefer VB.

>>19202658

>let me tell you what to say (and think)
classic american


when are you going to ""liberate"" my people?

>>19202623
You don't, give them to me

>>19202641
Please, you sound smart, I need help with this. I need to get over this and be able to use these fuckers but I don't know how.

>>19202661
It was a suggestion.
Could've said no thanks.

>>19202718

>it was just a deceitful attempt to manipulate your subconscious to my mode of conformity
americans

Look at him melt.

>let me tell you how to feel

>>19202641
>Took you this long to understand that text? Impressive.
how long will it take you to understand about time zones. like, ever?

Wait the Aussietard is still made he drinks shit tier coffee?
>>19202698
The grinder is fine. Baking soda and a toothbrush to the flair.

>what the fuck are timezones and why isn't america in the center of the universe!

Seems like a yes.

Enough!

Make moka nao!

>>19202806
my moka > ur moka

sorry but it's true

>>19202809
sure

>>19202773
>The grinder is fine
How do you know?
>Baking soda and a toothbrush to the flair.
Why?

>>19202773
>Baking soda
*bi-carb of soda

Moka chads keep winning.

New:

>>19202824
>>19202824
>>19202824

>>19202816
Because they've been inspected by your blessed eu. Like I posted here.
>SGS is a Swiss multinational company headquartered in Geneva, which provides inspection, verification, testing and certification services.
>>19199314
>Why?
Gentle abrasive that happens to kill mold.

>>19202828
>eu
>swiss
nobody told him

>>19202828
>Gentle abrasive that happens to kill mold
so why not use cornflour?

>>19202828
>Because they've been inspected by your blessed eu. Like I posted here.
What about the flair then, is it ok?
>Gentle abrasive that happens to kill mold.
Does an unused machine have mold?

>>19202864
Yes its fine. No. But cleaning it anyway will sate your ocd.

>>19202878

>t. talking out of my butt hole

>>19202878
I'm only concerned about some metals or other shit giving me cancer

>>19202886
Then you're fine.

>>19202897
are you really qualified enough to make that diagnosis?

>>19202902
Used one for years. No cancer. If you don't want to use it, don't. Just stop fucking posting about it.

>>19202929

>do as i say or i'll get mad. zomg just stop talking reeeee

>>19202934
You know coffee pulls lead, cadmium, and other heavy metals from the soil right? I wouldn't risk it.

>>19202967
soil is dirt and ur mum is a dirty whore who bangs niggers

>>19202967
Well god fucking dammit I didn't need to know that. Fucking shit fuck ass.

>>19202967
don't buy monsanto coffee beans and you're good

Recc me a nice medium to light roast bean I can order from Amazon pls.

>>19203012
Basically anything affected by terroir. Coffee, wine, chocolate, rice, grains, etc etc.

>>19202929
I want to use it but I can't stop this loop in my mind

>>19203192
Replace the loop with the coof and keep taking your meds. You'll get through this.

>>19203225
The meds don't really help with these sudden major attacks. They only work on small scale everyday stuff

>>19203248
Making coffee is a small scale everyday thing.

>>19202646
>bb
fuck off larper.