/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>19009618
Espresso please

>>19009618
Let's go

My mum ordered an espresso when we went to eat out together and she couldn't stop laughing on how small the cup was.

For me its that guy's mom.

this shit tastes really good. not too sweet, creamy, and smooth.

Convince me to stop spending 100 yen every morning to instead buy hundreds of dollars of equipment to make my own coffee

what im thinking of buying:
scale
grinder (hario hand grinder)
hario coffee dripper
good coffee

If anyone has any recommendations for buying coffee beans in japan lmw

>>19009667
>order espresso
>get pic rel with watery under extracted "coffee" underneath

>>19009695
does she normally drink espresso?
or was it an abnormally small cup for espresso.

>>19009880
>grinder (hario hand grinder)
Please don't buy a hario grinder.
>recommendations for buying coffee beans
Kurasu.

>>19009911
>Kurasu.
i see looks really nice
at 1000 yen per 100g it comes out to like slightly better than buying boss double espresso...

what grinder would you recommend

>>19009911
>Kurasu
i feel like im retarded trying to understand their roasting dates
>If the order is placed before 3 pm on a Saturday your order will be roasted the following Sunday and the next week’s Monday.
does this mean if the order is placed on say saturday the 4th it will be roasted on sunday the 5th and shipped on monday the 6th?
or
ordered on saturday the 4th, roasted on sunday the 12th and shipped on monday the 13th?
the inclusion of "next" and "following" confuses me.
if its one day after the next why not word it like
>order before 3pm on saturday and it will we roasted on sunday and shipped on monday

>>19009927
>what grinder would you recommend
look in the pastebin.
also im sure someone here or in the last couple threads has posted the image of the hand grinder comparison chart.
hand grinders are obviously much cheaper but can also be just as high quality as electric grinders or even high depending on the price range.

>>19009927
14900 yen with the coupon gets you about the same price as US amazon. Same exact burr as the more expensive 1zpresso K line.
https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/KINGrinder-Adjustment-Stainless-Uniformity-Compatible/dp/B096X89ZHV/

>>19009943
They roast sundays and ship mondays. 4 5 6. Get your order in before sunday if you want it shipped that week. I haven't ordered from them in a while, but all my shit came dhl in about 3 days.
>the inclusion of "next" and "following" confuses me.
Its ~noon on Sunday(3/5) in Japan right now. If you order today, they'll roast next sunday(3/12) and ship it out 3/13.

>>19009880
I have gotten all my beans from Coffee Tonya for many years now. They have the best prices by far and roast your order usually the next day. If you order over ¥3200 it’s free shipping and comes in 2-3 days. No idea if they have an English site.

>>19009880
These canned coffees are shit in every regard. It’s 100yen for like 150ml of shit coffee and they use fragrance and flavor chemicals in addition to preservatives to ensure it actually still tastes like coffee after sitting in a cab for 6 months. Your a dumb retard for wasting your money every day.

>>19009895
first time ordering one, she usually has americano

where my gay aeropiss gangsters at?

went to starbucks because i was given a gift card. two people on maybe their first day with someone else barely overseeing. asked for a half-caf latte and they gave me a half-and-half latte lmao. dude was fucking up every order and taking forever on the machine so i just took it and left. felt bad for them because the lady before me was loudly talking on her phone about how they were fucking up orders.

>>19010006
>first time ordering one
did she enjoy it?

>>19009985
so they are saying they only roast 1 day a week? and you have to order before the set roast date otherwise it will be pushed to the next roast date which is a week later.
the place i buy from roastes mon/wed/fri and ships same day.
but at the end of the day its probably the same result.
i always order on sunday and it gets roasted and shipped on monday and then i receive it on wednesday
also dhl can go straight to hell along with toll group.

>>19010094
>half-caf latte
you dont deserve good coffee.

>>19010033
This is Mokka territory, stronzo.

>>19010101
too busy laughing about the size to give comment on the taste

>>19009767
For your mom it's anal

So I've had a read of the anon's guide to handgrinders a few times and was looking at a Kingrinder for espresso and filter but a friend has a JX-Pro he's barely used cos he's a manlet with no arms and is buying electric and he'll give it to me for $120 - will that cover my ass or are one of the Kings a better option?

>>19010109
Correct.
>>19010205
Kin K4 is a jxpro with slightly bigger steps. That's a fair price.

>>19010221
Thanks anon

Why do Ethiopian beans tend to produce more fines?

>>19010168
>kk

>>19010509
Smol dense beans fracture.

>>19010509
the beans are smaller
bean size/shape + burr size/shape = amount of fines.
also the grind setting.
some grinders have burrs that have an easier time with smaller beans at x grind size.
like i usually drink burundi but today i got some ethiopian and the beans are much smaller, and because of this + the shape of the burrs in my grinder allow more small beans to fall into the gap the harder it was to turn the shaft.
normally with my burundi i can turn the shaft like its empty, its so easy. actually effortless, but with these small beans you could really feel the resistance.
...i think i lost track of what the question was a bit sorry.

>>19010530
>>19010557
can I do anything to mitigate what it does to my drawdown besides grinding coarser?

>>19010695
Tweak grind setting, change rpm, slow feed your beans to minimize popcorning/additional breaks, try a different filter with higher loading point, focus on lowering agitation(kettle, height, or pouring structure) so that higher % of fines doesn't get blasted into the paper and clog. Any or all will change your drawdown.

>>19010727
naruhodo, thanks anon

>>19010509
>>19010557
>>19010727
what ever happened to that two-stage grinding thing, is that worth trying outside wbc or whatever extreme autism?
don't remember where I saw it, it was like a coarse grind into a fine regrind, for consistency gains or something

>>19010785
I probably wouldn't do it with a hand grinder. Shit gets stuck above your ring burr and (depending on the grinder) its a pain to clean. Extreme autismo version of this would be the dual conicals in the Kafatek. 71mm prebreakers into 71mm finishing burr.
https://youtu.be/6IjFfl-8Gu8
https://www.kafatek.com/index.php/monolith/

i dont really know much about coffee shop culture. do people order more than 1 espresso, or is 1 enough? do they cost the same as the long black? itd be the same amount of coffee right, just less hot water.

>>19010850
depends on the customer.
like i would imagine more espresso gets ordered on weekdays in the morning then lattes at lunch
whereas on the weekend i would guess more lattes and cappuccinos and flat whites.
like if you hit up a cafe on the way to work you want the fastest way to get caffeine into your body(aside from a pill or an energy drink) is an espresso, so you just order 1 and drink it on the go.
but if you see someone buying multiple drinks at once they are usually an intern or assistant and are buying coffee for the office or their boss.


personally i drink alot of coffee but i would almost never make multiple drinks at the same time to drink at the same time.

if someone does order multiple drinks it will be over the course of multiple hours.
like you walk in on a sunday morning and order and espresso and slowly read the paper, order a breakfast muffin, do crossword or sudoku order a latte, finish the rest of the paper, order a flat white while digesting and just looking out the window planning the rest of your day/week.
this could easily take you from 7-10am
i know this because this was my opa's sunday routine. and also living in the center of the city surrounded by 500 identical hipster cafes i walk past the window and all see the same shit.
walk down at 6 and see people in, walk back home at 8 see the same people there, go on an errand at 9 and they are still there, go out for lunch and see them just getting ready to leave.

How do I stop that spherical coffee goblin making disgusting milk drinks with chocolate from appearing on my sm? Why does the algorithm believe I would be interested? No pic because dont want to curse myself further by googling that

>>19010897
interesting insight, thanks anon

Anyone used these?

>>19011063
good tool to use when you have rid of hemorrhoids

>>19011063
for?

>>19011110
Heating water. I was thinking what would be the best way to heat water without heat loss and the easiest to maintain and clean.

>Be me
>family gives me shit for saying I can tell the difference between the specialty coffee beans I get and grocery store beans
>Devise blind taste test
>Make two americanos, one with each brand of coffee, grind them with the same grinder and into identical cups(only difference is the graphic), make them both perfectly dialed in, even put them in the microwave together for 20 seconds so they're the same temperature.
>MFW every single person in my family prefers specialty coffee by a long shot

>>19009880
>hario hand grinder
Don't. If you want a super cheap grinder at least get a kingrinder k0.
t. owns a hario slim and regrets not putting the money towards a better grinder instead

>>19011127
have you tried using a kettle you stupid fucking idiot.

>>19009618
I'm confused about the water/coffee amount in the Hoffmann french press method. When you're pouring the finished product, some of the water is going to stay in the grounds, you're not going to get 1:1 the water you put in in your cup.
Example:
>325 ML of water
>20g of coffee
>Results in a 256 ML cup of coffee, 69 ML stayed in the wet grounds

So should I measure this ratio of water input vs water output, and then base my coffee amount on the output? My fear is that I'm overloading the coffee because it's actually turning out to be 20g for 256ML.

>>19011368
I should clarify, the 69ML is both the water/foam I skim off the top after the 4 minute mark, and also the water staying in the grounds.

>>19011368
When people give ratios for recipes it's always how much water you put in not how much of it you get out. Only place where people measure output is espresso.

>>19011385
What makes espresso different that they measure output there?

Fried egg, scrapple and horseradish cheddar on a club roll w/ a cup of coffee black.

>>19011393
Espresso machines have a big boiler of water, far more than what you use for just brewing. So you measure the output instead.

>>19011397
I see. Thanks anon

Why is it that every /ck/ related interest always seems to have its logical conclusion of the "highest quality" is that you buy some shit from Japan? Are the nips just the culinary apex and /ck/ seethes?

>>19011408
>the "highest quality" is that you buy some shit from Japan
none of the best coffee stuff is from japan, aside from maybe pourover filters or siphons if you're into that
not just not the best, but 0 good japanese grinders (unless that meme ghost burr one got reappraised), burrsets, espresso machines

>>19011408
Everything is made in china

>>19011127
Seems like an easy way to die.

>>19011127
A kettle. You're thinking of a kettle.

Sup /ctg/ lifelong pourover king here, just got a hold of this equipment for cheap. Everything works as far as I can tell, even though the steam wand is a lil inflexible chode. How do I start getting better espressos here?

>>19012165
Better grinder. Better coffee.

>>19009618
what's the difference between steel burrs and titanium coated ones?

>>19012419
Coefficient of friction, longevity. The "slicker" burr (generally) produce less fines/ a tighter particle distribution. The new option o burrs aren't coated, they're just polished to accomplish the same thing.
https://www.option-o.com/shop/mizen-omni
https://www.option-o.com/news/2022/6/6/lagom-mini-beta-tester-feedback

What's the consensus on the Baratza Encore ESP vs the Fellow Opus? Has anyone here tried either?

I had a flat white for the first time, but it was so incredibly creamy/milky so much that I couldn't taste the coffee at all. Is this normal?

>>19013001
https://youtu.be/1CBhJ3G1mI4
>>19013288
That will happen when your drink is 2/3rds milk.

>>19013407
Figures. I guess they aren't for me.

>>19013520
Try a cortado next time.

>>19013524
I get those every once in awhile and they're great. I guess whoever created the Flat White wanted to really up the milk content

>>19013541
Aussies needed to cover up the taste of their shit coffee back in the 80s. Seems like it works.

>>19013288
"Flat white" has a wide spectrum depending on who and where you get it from. In good Australian cafes, you should be able to taste the coffee because the ratio of coffee to milk should be much stronger than a latte, but a lot of places, there's approaching a point where there is basically no difference between a cappuccino, a latte, or a flat white except maybe they'll use different shaped cups. Trying one somewhere and saying you don't like the style is probably a pretty sweeping generalisation.

>>19013548
Mate everyone's coffee was shit in the 80s. Finger sweep and cut it when it blondes, it'll be fine

>>19013584
That's fair, but if the ratios are, like you said, all over the place, that's going to affect any desire to try one again outside of finding myself in Australia

>>19013407
I watched that but I was hoping someone here had some experience with either. It's probably too soon to ask since both launched pretty recently.

>>19011385
>Only place where people measure output is espresso
not true.
when making detailed recipes using a moka measuring and recording water in vs water out is important because of the method of percolation that is used.
also you have to make sure you list the exact make and model of the moka because not all moka coffee baskets are made equal.
moka baskets can vary by both volume and of funnel length.
which is also why recording as much detail about the coffee used and the grind size of the coffee is so important when using a moka because say with a standardised bialetti 6 cup basket 20g of say ethiopian does not equal the same volume as 20g burundi.

whereas for espresso or pour over the volume doesnt matter so you only need to measure once.

another thing with moka, is that if your liquid out is the same as your liquid in then you have with 100% certainty, destroyed your coffee and you have fucked up your brew.
because optimal moka brewing is stopping the brew at the specific right time long before all the water has been used.
i would argue that recording liquid in vs liquid out is of utmost importance when dialing in and perfecting a moka technique or recipe, even more so than espresso or any other coffee brewing method.

>>19011408
>logical conclusion of the "highest quality" is that you buy some shit from Japan?
only retards think japan has good coffee, whether that is bean roasting or coffee brewing.
there is nothing that would even suggest that japan is even close to the peak of coffee quality.

>>19013929
Son with that flavor of tism you just might go far in the Professional Moka Challenge.

>>19012165
that grinder is heavily used.
i would be very surprised if those burrs were not way out of alignment.
good burrs + good alignment + good beans = consistent results.
you cant start to hone your skills when you dont have a baseline you can trust.

>>19013768
here in australia people will order "strong flat white" to essentially solve the problem you had where you could not taste the coffee
but at the end of the day it is a milk drink so the taste of the coffee with be significantly diminished no matter what.
and the average cafe here is about as shit as the average cafe well anywhere else.
you really have to hunt for actually good coffee. these days.
but a good rule of thumb is if the cunts behind the counter look under 30 dont expect good coffee.
best flat white i have had from a cafe was from some mad old vietnamese cunt who didnt speak a lick of english despite living and working here all day every day for the past 50 years.
fuck it wasn't even a cafe, it was a chip shop that only had 1 coffee drink on the menu which was a flat white.
the whole place looked like a shit hole but you knew it was good because the only people who went there were locals and all of them were old cunts too.

>>19013996
>t. drinks dark roasts and thinks the best taste is in the crema

>>19014009
actually kill yourself you fucking retard.
just say you have the reading comprehension of an abbo.

>>19014017
*abo

>>19013996
Its okay to like cheap Vietnamese robusta and milk buddy.

>>19013996
The actual signal that you're in a coffee shop that actually cares about coffee is that they're also selling v60s and filter papers. Expect shitty coffee shops to co-opt this soon though.

>>19013407
>https://youtu.be/1CBhJ3G1mI4
I was amazed to learn that this guy is not gay, but rather married with kids

>>19014132
He's not gay, just slightly (legitimately) autistic. The Hoff is a well known poof though.

>>19013956
Thanks, any chance to test the grinder? What comes out looks nice and its faster and sounds better than my encore, but of course I have 0 experience to judge the grinding results in detail

>>19013520
Are you in Australia, or the US? American cafes tend to make their drinks so milky you can barely taste the coffee at all. A latte is supposed to be close to a 1:1 ratio of espresso to milk, but because of the popularity of Starbucks, many cafes go for a ratio of like 1:5 espresso to milk.

>>19014347
https://github.com/csatt/coffeegrindsize/releases/tag/v1.0.0

>>19014366
I might not know much about espresso but Im a developer by trade and I am not running that janky 3000 line python script sorry anon. Do appreciate the tip though.

Just made my morning espresso after throwing out three shots where it ran through too quickly I got a nice result. Tasted fantastic actually. I could surely grow some 'tism around this

>>19014415
Written by a well known guy in the coffee scene who happens to be an astrophysicist.
https://coffeeadastra.com/2019/04/07/an-app-to-measure-your-coffee-grind-size-distribution-2/

>>19014421
Thats ok anon, Im not saying its a virus, just poorly written. Physicists are terrible coders

is 4chan down

>>19011063
yes, I've used it. It boils water pretty quickly but is kinda fiddly to use (and you gotta be careful for it not to sink completly). I'd say only worth it for outings

>>19014172
The Hoff has a wife, bizarrely.

>>19014132
i thought his bald camera man was his husband - they drink out he same cups

>>19014492
I refuse to believe it. Everything about him screams fag

350ml of natural process brazilian light roast black with two fried eggs yogurt and various fruit
Today is good
Have a good day anons

>>19011368
So try it both ways and chose which one you prefer
Life isn't as hard as you're trying to make it mate

>>19014634
I was fucking shocked. Someone showed me his instagram but I don't use it so you'll have to look for yourself.

>>19010033
Homo here, I brew with a V60 and K6, aeorpresses are too gay even for me

Can /ctg/ advise me on a decent hand grinder for my moka pot?
Looking for a not overly expensive one but am feeling awfully lost at what is actually worth the money.

>>19014778
Kingrinder k0 or k1

>>19014440
felt like it
couldnt get a captcha for 8 hours.

>>19014778
depends how actually autistic you are.
i use the rok grinder every day but i am actually full blown autistic.
so ymmv

>>19014641
>350ml
pour over i assume

I use a french press

it's really bad and I never feel more awake after drinking it and it's always really weak. I wish I had a normal electric percolator

Can someone recommend me a new coffee to try? I buy the one in my pic right now and it's delicious but I want to branch out and try something different. The one I drink is very smooth, similar to drink some tea with honey and a bit of milk. If there is a sampler someone could recommend that would be good too.
I brew my coffee through a moka pot.

Any home roasters? It has been a game changer for me. Cheaper, green coffee beans cost like $4.50/lbs, and always guaranteed fresh roast. Takes about 10-15 mins to roast using an outdoor propane burner and a stovetop popcorn popper.

>>19014360
where did you get 1:1? I thought it was supposed to be like 150ml for one pull

>>19014415
>I am not running that janky 3000 line python script
>>19014428
>not saying its a virus, just poorly written
you would rather not have an answer to your question than run a poorly written script, even if you don't need to read or edit it?
if you're a developer by trade, we both know you're not working on plan9 systems with perfect coding standards unsullied by pragmatism and hurriedness, just run the program and find out if your grinder's shit or not

AEROPRESS! FUCKING GANG!!!!!!!
>>19010033
>>19014677
Not gay
>>19010168
Lmao @ ur life
>>19011310
Based
>>19014924
Switch to the Aeropress

>>19014172
>The Hoff is a well known poof
>well known
square mile was a joint venture with his (ex-?)wife

>>19015029
she certainly looks british.

>>19015029
he looks much better with gray hair

>>19015029
What a chad

>>19015052
anette moldvaer, classically br'ish name innit

>>19014997
>release version is 1.0.0
>you are welcome to send me suggestions in the form of push requests (the developers will know what that means)
Yeah the guy is a hack, I dont want to spend my time spreading around grinds and setting up his jank software that will give me a histogram i have no context to reason about.

>>19014778
i have a hario mini mill and make nice coffee with it :)

Why don't you guys ever talk about espresso machines?

>>19015439
poorfags can't buy an espresso machine.

>>19015439
We do sometimes, but most people can't afford or can't be bothered with one.

>>19015029
I would like to see a TV Series based on The World Atlas of Coffee, hosted by James Hoffmann himself.

>>19015449
This. These people cant even aford grinders with motors, they manually "press" their coffee through a plastic tube instead

>>19015462
Here in Brazil, it is crazy that I can buy an entry-level espresso machine with the money that I would buy an AeroPress.

People here resell the AeroPress for like double the price you can buy from the USA.

Another thing to consider is that most people that buy an espresso machine resell it in the second-hand market in less than a year.

>>19014778
I use a k4 and it’s been a great upgrade from buying it preground. It’s got external adjustment so it’s easy to tweak and it’s titanium coated so it’ll basically last forever.

>>19014924
I know intellectually that the French press makes a great coffee only surpassed in this category by a well executed pour over but for some reason anything short of moka pot or espresso tastes too watery for me. I even keep a French press for when I have visits and prepare it with nice beans but it’s never as good. How do I stop being a tastelet.

>>19015508
Just like what you like anon, there is no objective truth to these things

>>19015508
Ratio and method you use? Hard to give advice off of knowing absolutely nothing of your routine lmfao

>>19014492
As did Michael Jackson.
>>19015029
They divorced when he started guzzling the cream of his baristos.

>1zpresso zp6 sold out, never to return
now what the fuck do I do

>>19015582
Wait for the zp6 ultra with a stupid folding handle.

>>19015582
Wait 6 months for the new wave of chinese products. The scene is evolving quite fast

>>19009880
Can someone confirm if this canned stuff is actually decent or has David-kun over here just never had good coffee before?

>>19015165
Classic developer can't parse data. Love to see it.

>>19011063
Yes, I jerry-rigged these to my bidet as a way to get the water to a more comfortable temp. Works great for stationary applications.

Had a great americano with dark roast beans today. So much easier to extract properly than lighter roasts

>>19015716
Hello Jonathan, how do you do physics if you dont understand that a data point is meaningless without relation? Isnt relativity even quite a fundamental concept in your trade? Hack

>>19015165
>setting up his jank software that will give me a histogram i have no context to reason about
>>19014347
>any chance to test the grinder
>looks nice and its faster and sounds better than my encore
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22coffeegrindsize%22+histogram!gi
on one hand, you can look at other people's grind distributions around 1mm particle size, and gauge your grinders' relative uniformity
on the other hand, you can think "yeah my grinder makes a nice sound, and at least I'm not running a program written by a codelet"

>>19015797
This thermometer says 95c how the fuck am I supposed to know what that means?

>>19015852
Listen dude, I asked how do I start improving on this equipment I just got, and the first comment was the grinders burrs are probably misaligned. I further asked how do I test that. Ever since you have been sperging out trying to get me to run your fucking spaghetti hellcode. Stop trying to shill your shit

>>19015873
And we told you it was an old shitbox. Burrs wear over time. Old burr are typically worn. Have you even fucking looked at the inside or did you just plug it in and go to town?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsj_xkZbS60

>>19015862
Retard. 95 degrees is useful info because you know water boils at 100 for example, you just proved my point

>>19015582
copyright problem solved. it's that simple.

Sup /ctg/

Been lurking for a very brief period of time.

I got a kingrinder k6, french press, and some fresh local beans. Howd I do?

I tried 30g of bean with 500ml of water doing the hoffman method and it was a light balanced little cuppa. I'm still figuring out if I got the grind setting on the k6 right (120 clicks, which I guess was two full turns to 0).

I usually drink lots of cold brew and nespresso. I had a shoddy delonghi espresso machine that I threw out because it would do all kinds of weird things (it was a hand me down). Kind of regret it. Anything else I can do to get a stronger cuppa? I have a really sketchy klik moka pot since I live in northern Cuba and they sell cheap ones in nearly every store, but the inside of the watcher chamber looks like hell.

tldr: how do I get stronger cuppa like 'spresso

>>19015879
Thanks, looks like a good video, gonna have a lool. Whos "we"?

>>19015882
>Water boils at 100c.
No. No it doesn't. Water boils at 100c at a specific elevation.

>>19015897
I feel second hand embarrassed you had to reach that far for a reply, its time to stop posting

>>19015939
I feel secondhand embarrassed you had to reach that far for shit tier used equipment. Enjoy your expresso.

>>19015439
>>19015963
Its because of anal wizards like this who shit on people when they talk about anything other than handgrinders and aeropress

>>19015983
And yet there was nothing but bitching when I was posting artisan logs and SEP graphs.

>>19015885
Moka pots are generally a good choice for a stronger cup. Maybe get a new one if your old one is fucked.
Also if your cup tastes very light it might be your coffee. Some coffees are more "delicate" for lack of a better word.

>>19015873
>I further asked how do I test that
if someone says "your burrs are almost certainly worn down and out of alignment," you respond "the resulting grinds look good to me, but I don't know how to evaluate the results aside from comparing to my encore, how do I test the grinder," you think it's obvious that you're asking for grinder alignment tutorials, instead of a way to evaluate the results your grinder produces?
and then when given such an answer, instead of saying "I was actually hoping for information on grinder alignment," you dig in THREE TIMES >>19014415 >>19014428 >>19015165 about the quality of the program
you got it, I won't try to help you any further, enjoy your shit coffee

>>19015885
>Anything else I can do to get a stronger cuppa
lower the water:coffee ratio, or try a less beat up moka pot/aeropress

>>19016007
A bit overcaffeinated eh?

>>19015897
For most people, it is between 98-100C.

>>19016064
>>19015873
>I further asked how do I test that
>>19014347
>any chance to test the grinder ... I have 0 experience to judge the grinding results in detail
>>19015873
>Ever since you have been sperging out trying to get me to run your fucking spaghetti hellcode. Stop trying to shill your shit
wahey, why are you taking it so seriously, maybe swap to decaf buddy, havin a normal one eh?
kys

>>19016090
deep breaths now

This is why I'm never helpful to anyone and instead only aim to waste their time

And you wonder why these dipshits are getting laid off en masse.
>I'd like to test this grinder
>But not in any measurable way, just visually

>>19016093
you're on an anonymous forum without persistent identity retard, there's no reputation, no one to impress, this gay "you lost your cool" stuff means nothing
if I keep my responses brusque enough no one will have any idea which future posts are mine, I get to pr on my lifts, and that other guy still won't make good espresso

>>19016153
Think he descaled that 30 year old machine before drinking a couple cups of sludge?

>>19016157
doubt it, but the results were really good [via 0 comparison to anything, just a priori]

>>19015897
>Not having a roaster over 1km high
ngmi

Give me the absolute total Red pilled guide on how to make coffee with a moka pot.

>hard mode: do not even fucking think of linking me that inbred Anglo shit eating fetal alcohol syndrome ridden hoffman faggof

>>19016175
u got it boss, try this on for size

>>19016175

>>19016188
>>19016209
Thanks!

>>19016175

>>19016188
>>19016209
I know it's kinda obvious but it really bothers me that neither of these says when to put the lid down

>>19016228
Doesn't really matter. They say to leave the lid open so you can more clearly see what's going on.

>>19016175
Also not a necessity, but one of those $10 Etsy business card wdts will help out.

>>19016222
they were both hoffmann

>>19016222
don't listen to >>19016297, I wrote mine, try it out

>>19014641
>coffee with eggs
you fool
you absolute cretin
fuck you

>>19016312
Eggs and bacon with coffee is a classic.
Although personally I prefer to drink my coffee by itself or with something sweet (there's some rolls that I got from someone recently that were phenomenal, got the recipe too so I'm gonna try making some tomorrow), and then eat my breakfast separately.

>>19016297
It's a real shitty book. I brought a used copy to post the chemex recipe for some other anon a while back.
https://kaufmann-mercantile.com/products/brew

>>19016339
>two v60s and a $30 lab stand
>that'll be $250 plus shipping

>>19016339
>kaufmann-mercantile
Scan the book and post to libgen

>>19016361
It's really not worth it. Literally blog spam ripped and published. I wouldn't be surprised if that moka page is just from listening to the Hoff video.

>>19015531
Hoffmann ratios but I just wait 4 mins and press the coffee because I don’t mind the texture.

>>19016404
Okay so you're underextracting. Use hotter water if you want to keep doing it that way. Espro would allow a finer grind so thats an option too

How many milliliters of black coffee can you drink in one sitting before your stomach gets upset?

>>19016175
https://youtu.be/742Fl96i5x8

Moka pot and French press is all you need.

>>19016175
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyLSmpLwj2Y

>>19016175
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbhYNipVYSY

>>19015439
I'm about to go and use my espresso machine. Will report back.

>>19015883
The dipped handle is actually a really nice feature. I'm unlikely to buy a hand grinder without it after using it now.

>>19016869
Ok, yep, it made espresso. A natural Brazilian for what it's worth.

>>19016869
I might pick up a 2nd hand machine after I finish filing my taxes, but I've already spent quite a bit getting into the hobby this year

After you make your coffee how long do you wait before drinking it? I always give mine a minute or two after drawdown to cool off so I can taste it better

>>19016939
Same.

>>19016428
I use water right off the boil, if that helps. How long should I brew the grounds before pressing? My main gripe with the Hoff method is him not pressing the grounds.

>>19016578
That’s my actual setup, plus a k4. Get out of my kitchen, spy.

>>19016952
Why does that bother you?

>>19016959
Why use a French press if you’re not gonna press it? It’s like those coffee brewed in tea bags, it just doesn’t seem right.

>>19016243
but you obviously don't leave it open the whole time, right?

>>19016894
Update: I still suck at pouring.

>>19016986
You can, it makes no difference.

>>19016977
The plunger acts as a filter to stop some of the grounds from getting out. Pressing doesn't make it a better filter, it just aggravates the grounds and causes more of them to settle on the top side of the plunger.
I can understand that having this big plunger and not plunging it can be frustrating, but personally I've never had a problem with it.

>>19016923
I think they're a nice thing to have at home if you treat them like a hobby but I think not being in a rush is a sensible way to approach it, anon - can definitely be a rabbit hole.

>>19016175
Throw it in the trash and get yourself a flip pot.

>>19016228
>>19016986
only thing closing the top would do is insulate the coffee a little, the pressure is built up below the puck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC8K40kZ_6E

anyone tried this? whats the verdict. Basically 2 pours with switch but its open for first half to extract normally, then lower water temperature and do immersion for second half to increase body. video is run-on as fuck with a lot of fluffing, just skip around i guess

>>19016694
>moka pot
>espresso
Cut that shit out.

>>19016506
I think for me it's about ~600?

What kind of milk is best? Whole milk

I cant into coffee, is this good for a newfag (minus the sugar)? https://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-egg-coffee/
I dont consume carbs/fake sugar :S

>>19017823
The one you like to drink!

>>19017970
It looks terrible

>>19017987
why?

>>19017970
are you asking from a dietary or culinary standpoint? people itt aren't talking about drinking coffee for health effects
even if it was good for me, I wouldn't drink egg yolk coffee, I want to taste the coffee by itself

>>19018050
culinary for sure. im trying to find a delicious drink that fits my dietary restrictions and will help get me energized when needed.

What will your wedding cake look like?

>>19018003
That's kinda like asking why pancakes and mustard are a bad combination. They just are.

Where my estropress sistas at?

>>19018840
Does it have the same disease as andy milonakis?

>>19018846
Just looks obese and autistic

>>19018846
>>19018853
It's years of drinking estropress. Absolute certified banger recipes.

>>19018840
Isn't it supposed to boost metabolism?

>>19011063
prison stinger coffee

>>19018865
Even black coffee will be a drop in the bucket if you don't eat right

>>19018859
mmmm cold ball inverted pressooo!

>>19018617
I'll let you know after I find out what keeping a gf looks like.

>>19018865
>>19018895
This was him in 2021. Estropress is no joke.

>>19018927
During the global pandemic he was an essential worker as seen in this webm. Unadulterated unsung hero.

>>19018927
Kek

>>19018859
Ngl, I was a bit afraid when I saw the two balls

Ever seen a coffee shop prep presso like this?
Exactly, don't act surprised when your business venture inevitably fails.
I'll continue to make tasty presso at home until then.

>>19019052
>all that prep work
I just grind, tap the portafilter a couple of times, and tamp.

>>19019052
This is how my coffee shop earns 80k a month.

>>19019052
The only surviving coffee shops in my area have to serve fast food to survive. Humanity was a mistake.

>>19019098
Das rite !

>>19019137
>Tfw even the rats in paris have it better than you.
For some reason retards enjoy sitting 2m from a busy road.

>>19019184
This literally just looks like some random street in my slav city.

>>19019137
Starbys gives me free coffee alot. I always just get a tall coffee and soccer moms roll through with like $100 of stuff.

>>19019052
That's just onanism. I use a hand WDT tool and a puck screen but the WDT gets me consistency and the puck screen cuts down on how dirty my shower screen gets; that level of wankery is just self-indulgent fuckwittery.

>>19019197
>>19019184
Heritage buildings, clean streets, well dressed people, an ounce of culture.

Compare that to suburbia and destitute US.

>>19019209
>compare this apple to this orange

>>19019214
You might walk by those shops everyday, but that doesn't defeat the novelty to others.

>>19019184
this is what walkable cities get you

>>19019209
>thinks Paris is clean
search for "paris saccagé" on the tubes. Most cities in France are absolute shit holes.

>>19019258
Nice way to say you're not European.

To stay on topic here is a coffee drink you probably haven't tried yet. I present you the Kafi Luz. You should be able to read a paper journal thru the glass.

>>19019184
Hard to eat in Paris when the entire city reeks of piss

Is the hario switch a v60 targeted at smol brains?

>>19019389
Or is the V60 a hario switch targeted at smol brains?

>>19019395
>300 dorras pras tip gaijin

I bought vietnamese phin brewer and some grinded coffee from treng nguyen (is it a good one?). After a few days of preparing it the same way (I guess) the taste changed from very nice to much more sour. What is my problem most likely? The way I store the coffee? It's just in the original package (closed is as tight as I could). Blooming time? Amount of coffee? Temperature of water? Different recipes had different values for each of those parameters. What's the best recipe?

>>19019430
>In the world of hackers, the kind of answers you get to your technical questions depends as much on the way you ask the questions as on the difficulty of developing the answer. This guide will teach you how to ask questions in a way more likely to get you a satisfactory answer.
https://github.com/selfteaching/How-To-Ask-Questions-The-Smart-Way/blob/master/How-To-Ask-Questions-The-Smart-Way.md

>>19019395
You can tell by the mask that he cares deeply about hygiene.

Read the pastebin. Buying a Kingrinder K6 for $100 USD as my first hand grinder. Yay or Nay? Don't know if anything better has come out since/better deals around. I will be using a french press for the foreseeable future.

>>19019608
This or the Q2 are great choices

https://youtu.be/i8B8wDsORz4?t=48
How could you not like this guy

>>19019653
Hoffmann is cool, contrarians forever mad
On a semi-related note I am nervous that in a couple decades all the good areas for harvesting coffee will be severely affected by climate change and it will either become exorbitantly expensive or taste worse

>>19019389
Its for brainlets cause the Clever exists and is better in every way.

>>19019653
Oh hey I remember talking about that article here like a month ago. TL;DR they used waaay more coffee for filter to make their statement seem legit and pretended like most people use reusable coffee pods (lmao)

>>19019701
>Plastic coffee brewer
ishygddt

>>19019763
but Hoffbro recommends it

>>19019668
climate change could also make it possible to grow coffee in areas where you previously couldn't
it goes both ways

>>19019793
Maybe so, but what is changing is the climate, not the Earth's tilt. Weather and temperature are changing but not how much daylight a place gets

I think the best hope is genetic engineering of coffee plants to make them more tolerant of different conditions while keeping their beans tasting good

>>19019653
The propaganda some go based on a rational fear of the supreme goffeebawls. I personally use a slingshot to try and hit the retired boomers around my flat.

>>19019789
>Hoffstein recommends it
Why do you think he's not married anymore?

>>19019805
or make them so that they don't need as much sunlight

>>19019653
>a minute into the video
>hey btw the idea of a "personal carbon footprint" was invented by a petrol company to shift blame
BASED

>>19019805
>muh gmo coffee tasty
kys

>>19019951
Hey dude if you'd rather pay thousands for a bag of not even that great tasting coffee be my guest

>>19019817
Can't wait for mushroom coffee.

Just made myself a decaf 210ml cappucino and Giuseppe can't do shit about it.

>>19019139
https://youtu.be/QjIvN8mlK9Y

>>19016226
moka is sub-par coffee anyways so nothing of value was lost

>>19019430
The grinds in those pregrinds usually varies too much. It's hard to get consistency using that with phin filters.

>>19018840
>>19018859
>>19020046
wtf is wrong with this thing

>>19020337
She has a kind smile

>>19019701
>Clever exists and is better in every way
rip king

>>19019701
Other way around, switch is a better (if more expensive) clever.
>>19019789
He recommends the switch too.

>>19020361
>if more expensive
Slant eyes merchant has you covered anon.

>>19019430
Preground coffee becomes stale very quickly, that’s probably the source of the change in flavor. I’d recommend getting a grinder, though I don’t know what’s available to you in Vietnam.

>>19020413
Hario might overcharge but I'm not making my coffee in chinkshit.

>>19020413
>>19020428
They're only expensive after importer markup. $28 for the small one. If you snag a couple other things from kurasu to make up for shipping from japan they're not too bad. Cafecs are half price over there too so load up on a couple hundred and be set for a while.

Sorry caffeine gang the kot has spoken. Filtering the oils is a no from now on.

>>19020428
its all chinese now, anon

>>19020493
v60s aren't.

Anybody tried these beenz? I hear the taste is pretty round and well balanced. The kind that make a turtle come out of it's shell.

>>19020462
>27€ shipping
Yeah I'd rather get one with the importer markup.

I posted a thread, but did not realize we had a general for coffee. Espresso machines went on sale on Amazon and I am torn between the Breville and Gaggia. I know a lot of people in real life who have the Breville and are happy with it, but the gaggia is cheaper even if I bought a grinder to go along with it and it seems to be better built? Help me.

>>19020533
The gaggia has a huge modding community behind it and you are likely to outgrow the grinder on that breville if you go full autismo so it fully depends on how far down the rabbit hole you expect yourself to go.

>>19020493
Switches and v60s are jap glass. Most of their servers too. They only outsource the cheaper cups from China.

>>19020533
Gaggias are built like a tank and have an extensive modding community if you want to get more out of them.
Brevilles are more normalfag friendly and have more features but are more locked down and not built as well. Also while it has a grinder, it's not going to be anything more than serviceable (but on the other hand the gaggia doesn't have a grinder at all).
It's like deciding whether you want to buy a mini or a smart car.

>>19020582
And their kettles. Well at least the electric non-temp controlled ones, those are the only ones I can speak for.

>>19020533
Go gaggia and then look into gaggiuino.

>>19020509
Pretty sure it's flat rate dhl so I just stack a bunch of shit in my cart and it comes in 2-3 days. They sell some nice mugs I want but there's not enough shit to justify another order rn. Ive also kind of want the copper wire dripper too. I've tried a couple of their roasts, but only in the drip bags. Liked them all.
https://kurasu.kyoto/collections/all-brewing-gears/products/tujiwa-kanaami-hand-weaved-wire-mesh-coffee-dripper

>>19020614
>>19020584
>>19020574
not that guy but I've been looking into getting a machine, it seems like even the machines that are $1500 have some problems
is this the best way to go if you are somewhat handy?

>>19020744
If you're willing to mod them yeah gaggia classics and rancilio silvias are good choices.

>>19020485
stop this

>>19020485
Flat bottomed girls you make the rocking world go 'round

Just bought the Gaggia, should get here later this week.

>>19021101
We tricked him boys

>>19021101
what grinder are you thinking about?

>>19014924
>percolator
retard.

>>19021117
I have a 1zpresso hand grinder already, just going to keep using that but I think I'm going to buy a Niche Zero soon.

>>19017297

>>19014950
>I buy the one in my pic right now
what coffee is that tho?
all i see is a brand.
but to answer the question, natural process burundi kibingo

>>19015439
hoffmann already said all there is to say about 95% of the espresso machines worth buying and 100% of the espresso machines people here could ever afford.
no point rehashing what he said in his videos.

>>19016996
looks good to me anon :)

>>19016923
>he's so poor he has to file his own taxes

>>19015885
>100% colombian
>ARABICA
>MEDIUM ROAST
PLEASE tell me there is a roast date on the bag.
also i will be shocked if those are actually medium roast.

>>19020749
Elixr is the roaster, Beekeeper is the coffee

>>19016986
yes you do.
if your moka sputters or spurts or anything like that for even 1 second you should just throw the whole thing down the drain because you have fucked the brew.
these videos demonstrate a mostly good technique.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-PeYeiqPLU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-C7azYybhE

i am the resident moka schizo so throw any questions my way.
(caution my answers will be autistic.)

>>19016694
>like an italian
no thanks, i prefer making good coffee.

>>19021254
so why not just get a french press? perfect brew no matter how you do it.

>>19016506
depends how weak your genes are.

>>19017823
lactose free full cream cows milk
even if you are not lactose intolerant you should use it.
it tastes way better, especially when steamed or whatever for coffee.

i tried oat milk the other day because i had heard it was very similar and those people are fucking liars.

>>19021281
or, i could just have milk like less of a pansy.

>>19019184
that espresso looks like dishwater.
also you can see how bad it tastes, just look at her barely able to hold a smile while drinking it.
and she got a fucking sugar with it.

>>19021259
>french press
>perfect brew
just fucking kill yourself

>>19021296
>better tasting milk makes you a pansy

>>19009618
What are some ways to make instacoffee taste good? I learned to not use boiling water and bought higher quality bustelo powder which taste great.
8nd8m

>>19021367
you cant.
nice captcha

>>19021367
I dunno, drown it in milk. The thing with instant is that there's no prep methods really, other than memeshit like the dalgona thing. It's freeze dried coffee and you add water to undry it. Ultimately it's going to taste as good as whatever coffee they freeze dried to make it, which is usually a shit mass brewed min-maxed for profit coffee.

>>19021394
>freeze dried

>>19021516
>>19021516
>>19021516

>>19021518
Why not w8 for the page 10?

>>19021895
(Bump limit reached)

>>19021914
>red number bad
HOLY

>>19021147
The Niche Zero has been outdone by one, I'm sure you can find something better in that price range.

>>19021994
Newfriend doesn't know how imageboards work. How cute.

>>19022124
just say you dont know what you are talking about and move on.

>>19022128

>>19021914
>>19022124
are you retarded
it's good form to wait until like page 8 to make a new thread for a general, we're not at image limit or anything

>>19022229
Good 4chan form. Relax sperg. Posts get autosaged after the bump limit. Why do you want to stay in a thread that's circling the drain?