/ck/ - Food & Cooking

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>>19005297
They are, just not in the way you think. Shitalians have started going hard commercializing their cuisine.
Before modern day, Italian cuisine was basically good food made with widely available ingredients, transformed by clever understanding of simplicity and flavor.
It was accessible and adaptable by nature. Everyone's "nana" had a different take on the regional favorites and no one claimed theirs was wrong, despite having unique touches.
This is a huge reason why Italian cuisine was readily adapted and became prominent in America.
Compare to French cuisine, which is gatekept by chefs with rigid rules, etiquette (French word), etc. There are strict rules in French cooking, including what the chef (another French word) is supposed to wear. It has always been a much more exclusive cuisine, and the main reason why French cuisine enjoys a "fine dining" reputation and has almost no common adaptations in other cultures.
Now, in 2023, shitalians are trying to imitate French cuisine. They invent random rules and "sins" that you must never do, pretend cream can never go into carbonara, etc. They are doing this because they hope that, by transforming their cuisine into an exclusive one, their restaurants and chefs might gain the same success and reputations as French ones.

Don't fall for their tricks.

>>19005297
>ITAIPAVA
uma delicia bros

>>19005380
Don't blame Italians for what Jews have done.

>>19005380
this anon is wise
european cooking is the domain of the peasant, co-opted by pretentious kitchen tyrants who have infected the spirit of cooking simple food for friends and family with grand, unrealistic notions of performative artistry
who gives a fuck what """da rulez""" say, make what you know will be enjoyed, and make it to the best of your ability

>>19005380
>Compare to French cuisine, which is gatekept by chefs with rigid rules, etiquette (French word), etc. There are strict rules in French cooking, including what the chef (another French word) is supposed to wear. It has always been a much more exclusive cuisine, and the main reason why French cuisine enjoys a "fine dining" reputation and has almost no common adaptations in other cultures.
Julia Child debunked this nonsense 70 years ago.

The real reason Italian cuisine is so popular is because they got a sponsorship deal with Disney. Why else would they have ratatouille's running all over their restaurants?

>>19005416
italians did this to themselves you scapegoating pleb

>>19005422
>an american housewife managed to demystify french pretension, therefore she debunked the idea that the french are pretentious cunts about their cooking
no

>>19005435
who gives a shit what they think about their own cooking?

just steal whatever tastes and techniques you like and make it yourself.

thats how we got mexican-american, chinese-american, and italian-american goyslops.

we can easily make "french-american" goyslop just as easy if we want to.

>>19005470
at least pretend to address the point of discussion

>>19005470
>who gives a shit what they think about their own cooking?
It's integral to the marketing
French have always marketed their culture as high class and aristocratic, hence French fine dining
Italians have always marketed their culture as accessible and simple, hence the run down Italian restaurants on every corner of America
>thats how we got mexican-american, chinese-american,
Both Chinese and Mexican cuisines are very similar to Italian in that they don't obsess over exclusivity and elitism. These agree with the point, not contradict it.
>we can easily make "french-american" goyslop just as easy if we want to.
It's been tried to death, French restaurants without a "fine dining" slant don't become widely successful. Even "Bistros", which are supposed to copy the actual commoner-type restaurants in France, end up being expensive in America.

>>19005489
we already have french goyslop.
walk into almost any coffee shop and you can get a chocolate croissant lmao

>>19005531
>pain au chocolat is goyslop
you got the meme brainrot, son
there's no hope for you

Okay, I gotta ask, what's with the tire?

>>19005833
tired of answering this

>>19005297
You can't improve on perfection.

>>19005833
Brazil has a weird tradition of putting decorations on pizza, and sometimes people put even more bizarre things for fun like tires. Search Brazil pizza memes or something like that you'll get some examples

>>19006306

>>19006311
people can also be pizza decoration in Brazil

>>19005297
It already peaked.

>>19006318
How does he get out?

I thought all your recipes were basically the same because you fought over the same land for centuries and picked up culinary dishes from each other

>>19006372
you eat out a path, of course. Cmon man this should be easy. Didn't you watch those mobile phone puzzle game ads on youtube?

>>19005380
> Shitalians have started going hard commercializing their cuisine
That doesn't imply anything about the goodness of the products. They had good products and they started codify them for both marketing and natural reasons

> Before modern day, Italian cuisine was basically good food made widely available ingredients
Available in **Italy** you retard. The situation in Italy didn't change, some products are hard to replicate in countries without the same climate and know-how

> Every Bana had a different take on the regional
You got that wrong. Every region had different cuisine, there were no take on risotto in southern Italy for example. You just made that up

> This is what Italian cuisine was readaly adapted and become prominent in America
Italian cuisine become popular in America because Italian always had a strong culinary identity and culture and because the Italian immigration in America was one of the biggest Italian immigration. Your point is just retarded

> Shitalians trying to imitate french
You made it up again. Italian always focuse more on products and selecting cultivar omand focus less on technique and taxonomy of cuisine
And they still do that, now "enforcing" it with the law
Eg: Japanese are still washing their rice 1000 times while Italians selected rice cultivars with less starch.

All this wall of text was retarded and you should feel ashamed

>>19005297
Italian cuisine is constantly evolving, I say more than any other cuisine
If you.want to see that, compare Italian American cuisine with Italian cuisine and you much they diverged in a couple of generations
Carbonara has something like 50 years and it went through modification and only in recent years they standardized the guanciale. Why? Becaus it taste better
The same happend to pizza, 10 years ago pizza dough was different from today

Italians were never afraid to incorporate product and changes as long as they tasted good (tomatoes, rice, saffron, maturation of the meat, beer microbrewery, etc) It just happen than putting peas or cream in carbonara is not something that is worth any attention from a culinary perspective

>>19006736
>That doesn't imply anything about the goodness of the products. They had good products and they started codify them for both marketing and natural reasons
This doesn't have anything to do with what I said
>Available in **Italy** you retard. The situation in Italy didn't change, some products are hard to replicate in countries without the same climate and know-how
You're a dumbass. Tomatoes are from the Americas and Italian cuisine basically owns them.
>You got that wrong. Every region had different cuisine, there were no take on risotto in southern Italy for example. You just made that up
Every region had different cuisine, yet every household had its own twist on the regional dish. Hence, every shitalian's "nana". Retarded point.
>Italian cuisine become popular in America because Italian always had a strong culinary identity and culture and because the Italian immigration in America was one of the biggest Italian immigration.
French immigration predates Italian, and the best we have is absolute bush shit like Creole. Again, you're hopelessly retarded here.
>apanese are still washing their rice 1000 times while Italians selected rice cultivars with less starch.
Completely irrelevant to the discussion, you're like a gay retard crying for attention

I won't be replying to you again, just take this as an opportunity to learn and better yourself. If you're even capable of that

I hate this thread. I could angrily argue against every single post if I had the time. This is the worst thread I have ever seen. At least Joey threads were mildly amusing. This thread is nothing but infuriating.

pasta and tomato sauces are not very good
I wish they focused their food autism elsewhere but they are so proud of their dumb food

>>19006965
Oh wow. Shrimp chicken scampi!

>>19006372
HOW DID HE GET IN

>>19005297
We do, anon. Even if you waste time here not asking how but asking in absolutes like an huffington post article

They all think that their jersey shore types

>>19007284
>huffington post
What and who cares? That's about as relevant as the new york times.

>>19006770
Evolving, like that wedding soup slop?
That italian wedding soup is the most nasty shit that I've ever had, throw that shit into a toilet and it would be better than from an Italian wedding party.

>>19007311
You missed the point

>>19007371
Oh I got the point a long time ago, they're full of shit and agenda pushers, knowing that is the point.

>>19007370
>wedding soup
you took one of the staple of poor people cuisine, wich is the farthest thing being "evolved"

>>19007376
Nothing is evolved when considering italian wedding soup, that shit is plain nasty.

>>19007376
I have nothing against italians, it's that wedding soup that's pretty harsh

>>19007374
The point is if you don't see how much OPs ask for useless question in every board, agendas was already pushed.
How op can be respected if he didn't bring any evidence? A brazilian pizza parlor with rubber wheels on pizza? you just took that as good?

>>19007397
Why are you being such a homosexual and tracking every post on every thread?

>>19007395
every cuisine have it's acquired taste. My dad, for example, likes offals and there's a lot of recipes with those, but i don't like it. The cyclic evolution in italy often is rediscovering some meat cut in disuse or plants considered weeds since 30 years ago

>>19007399
Do you even open catalogs? you started to insulting, do you need help?

>>19005422
ratatouille is French

>>19005297
You can ask that about every white country. And the always jews.

>>19005297
You can ask that about every white country. And the answer is always jews.

>>19007666
your answer is always jews
that doesn't mean THE answer is always jews

>>19007666
Trips of truth

>>19006959
> This doesn't have anything to do with what I said
It does because you inverter cause and effect

> Tomatoes are from the Americas
Lol. Do you serious believe that in the 500 years when Italy was one of the centre of power of the world they didn't develop a cuisine becaus erhey missed some red berry?

Italian cuisine was well developed before the introduction of tomatoes, they actually owe more to the hundreds of years of commercial trade with Asia before America was even officially discovered

Traditional Italian cuisine, where there exist tomato based dishes, uses tomatoes as an addition in no way mandatory. Look at the territorial confomatio you piece of cretin
It's a land surrounded by see and and crossed by two mountains ranges, so they naturally developed both "cold" and "Mediterranean" cuisine
As for that, giving the fact that passed 500 years from the introduction of of tomato and that the natives were doing jack shit with them, we could consider it an Italian cultivar. By reasoning about the time frame we are talking about, at the time america was inhabited by indigens who worn thongs and prayed the sun


> Yet every household had it's own twist
Like happen in every part of the world you mouth breathing retard. Americans feed themself with frozen meals and fast food so they can't understand that it's a common dynamics that has nothing to do with the legitimation of a national cuisine


> French immigration predates Italian
This is another retarded take. Both the specific time frame (with influence socio-economic dynamics on both countries) and the **magnitude** of the immigration determine different outcomes

> I won't reply to you again
I don't expect you to do it. You clearly are a clieless retard and now we know you are also a fragile faggot who can't substain a conversation

> Opportunity to learn
I was it as an opportunity to laugh. It's always mesmerizign when Americans do fanta-history albeit being clueless about the topic

>>19007370
> Like wedding soup
The post already provided two different examples, you have to read the whole post on order to make an educate reply

> The Italian wedding soup is the most nasty shit
You are clearly a tastelet with child palette. Imagine being scared of bitter vegetables

>>19007666
so you were dump enough to be goyed and so they're inferior... yes keep drinking the coolaid...

>>19006306
Oh neat, thank you

>>19008261
tfw the ESL has better grammar than i do

>>19005418
retard

>>19009027
butthurt foodie pseud faggot detected

>>19006306
>Brazil has a weird tradition of putting decorations on pizza, and sometimes people put even more bizarre things for fun like tires.
USA does even weirder. They use ranch dressing as a pizza decoration.

>>19006372

>>19005380
>pretend cream can never go into carbonara, etc
you should probably kill yourself right fucking now

it can go in carbonara but raw egg is WAY better you filthy animal

>>19007666
satanic trips is always the truth.. jews are the cause of anything ever bad happened to us and anything bad that will ever happen to us in the future unironically

>>19009355
Don't forget about the Chinese

>>19008261
>seething so hard he can't type

burn alive