/ck/ - Food & Cooking

AEROPRESS GANG

>>18992621
I guess I'm going to keep the one on the right.

>make morning pour over
>have a few sips and set the cup down
>an hour passes, the coffee grows cold
>turn the kettle back on
>pour a bit of hot water into the cup
>not much, just enough to warm up the coffee
>it's weaker but still delicious
It's the little things

>>18992621
>all white everything
this is why i dont go to cafes anymore. most of them have interiors like this, and its so unsettling. makes me feel like a parasite. all my flaws are so visible because of how bright everything is.

>>18992649
They aren’t made in italy anymore?

how necessary is a wdt tool. is it a meme? can I just use a toothpick

>>18992665
They are, the aluminum ones.

>>18992621
this guy looks like a total faggot

imagine buying several different coffeemachines so can impress your viewers while getting stomach cancer, having bad breath, and being addicted to some weird bitter juice

>>18992692
His entire career is coffee, it's not at all weird that he has several machines in his workplace.

>>18992701
he has to whiten his teeth every month, otherwise his teeth would be brown by now lol

>>18992706
Or you can, you know, brush them once or twice a day.

>>18992669
$10 makes a hell of a lot of difference. Just buy one.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1185798417/business-card-9-prongs-wdt-assembly
>>18992701
I assume he was also filming the espresso machines under 1500 video at the time and didn't fucking want to carry 7 machines back and forth.

Anons who prefere super light roasts do you like >90% cacao chocolate? Or does it taste bitter to you?

>>18992785
tastes like lead and cadmium

>>18992785
Highest I go is 70%. It's not that I can't handle 90%, I've got good bitter tolerance because I used to chew pills instead of swallowing them when I was a kid, but I'm not going to go out of my way to eat a block of bitterness.

>>18992785
I don't mind 90s. Harder to find than quality 75s though.

>>18992844
>close to $200 for entry level crank
Yikes

>>18992785
>>18992789
>>18992806
>>18992876
Is it sound to argue that if 80+ tastes bitter to you then a coffee black without sugar from anything more than a medium roast will taste bitter?

>>18992958
If you prepare it well it can be tolerable even if it's pretty dark.

>>18992663
there's plenty of dim cafes you'd know about if you were cool

Signs of a shitty café?
>off-white coloured walls
>plants everywhere
>non-framed "art" on a4 paper sticky taped to the walls
>barista has tattoos
>shitty wooden 70s furniture that was "thrifted" because muh communist beliefs

>>18992958
Relax schizo.

>>18992663
>>18992701
>>18992738
>>18992978
i always assumed that was his home. am i a retard?

>>18993000
A bit.

>>18992663
that's his house my dude

>>18993004
Not him, but a lot of cafes are like this, with those white brick pattern splashbacks. They're cheap and tacky and say, "I'm afraid of taking risks with design because someone might not like it."

>>18993004
It's not, it's his studio.

>>18993000
I'm pretty sure thats the bottom floor of square mile. He moved to a dedicated set recently.

Origami for yo mommy

>>18993054
Thought it was a bee from the thumbnail

>>18993034
god he's so cute

>>18993034
im fucking scared of going grey like this bros. im 29 and already im getting white hairs

>>18993091
I've got white hairs at 23 lol

>>18992627
mmmmmmmm microplastics

>>18993091
>Not wanting to be a silver fox
So you're going to take cock up the ass all your life?

>>18992649
>Espresso maker

>>18993091
better than going bald

>>18993159

>>18993280
LMFAO
>>18993159
Retard

>>18993319
>Retard
I’m right

>>18993159
estropressers really do sit there and shill the most while it causes them extreme penis shrinkage in doing so

why are grinders on amazon cheaper than on aliexpress?

>>18992649
>For Oceana
In what way?

https://aliexpress.com/item/1005004746377473.html

What do you guys think about this comandante clone?

>>18993753
Main reason to get a comandante is the premium finish, which I'm guessing this lacks. At best it's probably going to be on par with other $200 chink grinders. Obviously can't know for sure since no one itt has one, probably will never have one and no one on youtube seems to have coverd it yet other than one unboxing short.

>>18993753
Offbrand heptacore grinder that's $70 more expensive than K6. Why?

>>18993818
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgpR998QuJw

Seems like this guy compared but Indonesian.

They do Aram clones as well.

>>18993753
https://www.mischiefworkshop.com/product/mischief-espresso-maker-steel-support/

They do aram clones as well.

>>18992621
Thinking about getting into the weeds on filter paper. I brew pretty much exclusively with a Hario Switch, recently with tabbed Hario papers (crinkly bags). Looking online, people seem to prefer the boxed Hario papers, and for third party like Sibarist, Origami and Abaca.

I've upgraded my grinder to a Kinu, buy good beans, and use filtered water. Is there something else I should focus on first before looking for potential gains in filter experimentation?

>>18992621
If you don’t drink black coffee you are a sub human obese bitch that deserves to die from diabetes.

>>18994059
I add milk if I fuck something up and make a bad cup.

>>18994059
>>18994161
Oh and if someone else is making the coffee I always drink it with milk if possible because I don't trust them to brew good coffee.

KINO ALERT
https://youtu.be/Dmpnrtey3YU
KINO ALERT

>>18992663
go to better cafes my dude

Hows my bed?

>>18994189
looks good champ, but even a good looking bed won't tell me if it's over/underextracted

>>18993984
preheat your brewing vessel and really master your technique of choice
if you can't get a very transparent, flavorful cup of coffee with the tools you already have, the paper isn't going to make a lick of difference

>>18994204
Yesterday's cup was a bit too overextracted/with some minor bitterness at the end. This latest cup turned out great so I think I can officially call these beans dialed in

new to the premium coffee thing. I saw someone selling coffee beans that they said that would taste like strawberry. How is this possible?

>>18994189
Wish I could get a bed that pretty

>>18994262
I assure you, you can get a bed that pretty. I've only been doing pourovers for like two months and documenting my dumbass mistakes the entire time.

>>18994207
Once I dial in I get great coffee 90+ % of the time nowadays (and yes I preheat). Used to be much less consistent, but the better grinder made things more predictable. Current method of choice is water first, coffee on top, hard stir for forty seconds (with glass stirring rod), open switch, continue stir for ten more seconds, let it drain down. The hedonic treadmill is chugging onward though, and I feel if I can grab some more quality I might as well. Other potential avenues: mineralizing my filtered water, doing standard pour overs, testing water temperatures and grind sizes more systematically when dialing in, buying more beans at the same time for direct comparison and accepting throwing stuff out when it gets too old, etc.

Just bought a 12-bean sampler and now I need to go through the arduous process of ranking them, especially so because I only drink one cup a day

>>18994238
It's not going to taste like a strawberry, it's going to taste like coffee. However, when you've drunk a lot of coffee, you begin to notice the differences, and if it has "strawberry notes" that means that in the range of coffee it's going to be sort of directionally strawberry-ish and fruity. Like it has a strawberry vector with the similar direction but low magnitude available to taste.

>>18994270
I've been doing it about that long and I've gotten worse

>>18994290
Def start doing custom waters if you have convenient access to 0ppm or distilled. Amazon powders are cheap. I don't think having a few spare packs of different cafecs around is going to bother you. Running out of papers is a far more likely scenario than you hopping off the hoffee train. You're on the exact path I was a couple years ago.
>Kinu----->figure shit out for a while------>buy whatever the fuck you want with newfound knowledge

it is possible to change the burr from K6 to K4 and make better espresso?

>>18992692
He kind of acts like one too but he is self aware about it, and will occasionally throw in a joke about what a effeminate half- man he is.

>>18992654
the key is to get a thermos and put it in the freezer overnight, if you will most of it with coffee it should cool down a little and then keep warm.

Honestly, very happy with this thing and the Italian aluminium espresso capsules I buy for $4.99 at Homesense.

2 weeks of cooffee for $5.

>>18994601
>better
It'll make different espresso but yes, if you can find the burr. You might end up liking the k6 more after fucking with both. I did some looking on ali and could only find 38mms and one 48mm cdante clone for jx/k3/k4. This other 38mm could be interesting if someone wanted to put together a $50 knockoff q2 with a $30 k0.

>>18993753
It makes me wonder why I paid 300$ for the original thing. The basic black mk4 doesn't have any of the premium finish

today im having two cups of coffee

Do you take the time to sort out your neurodivergent beans before grinding?

>>18995052
I don't really care

>>18994998
But is it hoffee or just gofffee

>>18992621
Okay so I own and have tried all varieties. Here’s my QRD.
>K-cups
Immediate coffee is its selling point. I’ve never had a k-cup that was anything but utilitarian. Decent coffee right away.
D+
>coffee maker
Better tasting coffee and a lot of it. It’s not great but it’s good enough. Plus you can keep it hot throughout the day without microwaving or anything. Good option of you want a lot passable coffee over a long period of time.
B-
>pour over
These have been real popular in anime lately for some reason. It’s fun to use and flashy if you have guests over. You look like a maestro, an artist of the bean. It makes a surprisingly flavorful cup of coffee too. Theoretically it should be the same as the coffee maker but it’s a lot better somehow. Great taste, fun to make.
A
>French press
My undisputed favorite. It’s less complicated than the pour over but it makes the best, strongest tasting coffee of all. Plus the plunger is a stupid little fun thing to do. I highly recommend the French press.
A

I wonder if it’s time to move up to espresso now

I just made a decaf flat white.

>>18995139
Moka pot is my favorite

>>18992621
Brazilian coffee supply issues makes the coffee price go up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyUg13vMuNo

>>18995139

What about Clever Dripper?

>>18995344
NTA but it's an immersion brewer, so basically the same as a french press except with better filtration but doesn't look as nice.

How am I supposed to justify spending $250 on what is basically a burr set, a shaft, an handle, and a couple of bearings? How do they justify the remaining $200? These should not be this expensive.

>>18995550
>more than 200
>not electric
ISHYGDDT

>>18995550
if the materials, fit and finish and quality control are decent enough I wouldn't mind spending that much
however that name just leads me to believe it's overpriced pretentious crap

is an espresso grinder mostly about adjustability/consistency? e.g. if I can hit a workable coarseness with the grinder I have, I don't have to give a shit?

>>18995760
For the vast majority of espresso quality grinder users (coffee shops) it is yeah consistency but most of all throughput. For the extremely autistic you get into fine distributions

>>18994801
>>18994779
Bad bait
>>18995760
yeah

Having fun playing with extra chilling lately, really useful for lower dose if you have exotic beans that you want to make iced coffee.
10 gr (150 gr coffee + 50 gr iced)
Hario switch
Med size (15 click timemore c3)
30 gr - 30 sec bloom, 150 gr - 2.30 open the valve.

>only drink espresso roasts for my v60

>>18995891
>timemore c3
>exotic beans

>>18995550
It's not justifiable.

Comandante is a shit company. They are selling the red clix separately, and recently they sued various coffee shops that sold Chinese grinders from Timemore and 1zpresso because they said these products are similar to Comandante ones.

They even are trying to bully 1zpresso out of Europe: https://1zpresso.coffee/announcement/

Every cent buying a Comandante grinder is one cent more for them to pay more lawyers to bully another companies.

>>18995052
what coffee are you buying that has that in a single cup's worth of beans?

>>18995139
>Theoretically it should be the same as the coffee maker but it’s a lot better somehow
hotter water, and ability to control where it goes, and how fast

>>18996572
This. Worst thing about it is the patent is about the fucking handle

>>18996572
>>18996585
Has been pretty standard in creative, design and fashion industries for 20 years now. Perfectly justifiable, these companies know Chinese knock-offs will begin appearing within a week.

>>18996631
1zpresso is manufactured in China, but they are based in Taiwan, that are serious about intellectual property. I would believe that 1zpresso has the intellectual property of what they do, they even were allowed to return selling their grinders on Amazon.

Timemore and 1zpresso are known in the market, they are not like some random knock-off like >>18993753.

>>18996049
baka only drinks ice coffee

>the Hoff does his fellow ode v2 review
>immediately afterwards Lance releases his

>>18996659
There's a reason timemores have different burrs and their own handle parents.

>>18996978
Hoffberg is a good guy

>>18996983
Comandante said that 1zpresso and Timemore grinders are cylindrical and "can be clicked to set different grinding degrees".

>>18997208
Interestingly, they used X25 to point that the older Timemore C2/C3 was a copy.

>>18997208
Turns out copying their bottom adjustment mechanism 1:1 isn't allowed if you're trying to break into the EU market.

Does anyone have a DF64? What do grind size do you go for a V60? All my coffees taste sour.

>>18997208
So what they just claim ownership of stepped grind adjustment? Are they planning to sue like fucking hario as well then?

>>18997208
Do they have a patent on some unique mechanism that they have reasonable proof that 1zpresso stole/copied?
If no, no EU court will hear this, because it is frivolous.

>>18997768
They bullied Amazon and somewhat worked because 1zpresso was like 2 months out of the European market and then Comandante sued the coffee shops that sold them.

>>18997842
I'm wrong, they didn't sue, but they sent cease and desist letters to intimidate the owners.

Also, only around November they were able to sell in Europe again. https://www.instagram.com/p/CiPYyMfs_OV/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3D

what does "clicks" mean on the kingrinder k0? should i thread the adjuster (seems to go thread at 7) and then count from 0? should i just count from when i feel/hear resistance?

>>18997842
>bullied Amazon
LOL

>>18997842
How does that work? What's stopping me from ordering JX Pro from chinks off AliExpress?

>>18997867
Maybe they got a judicial order to make Amazon stop selling the 1zpresso.

Are Arams good for espresso?

>>18998064
Nothing at all. The eu shit is just for 1z violating eu patents. Those patents don't exist in China.
>>18998171
Or maybe 1z decided to pull their listings to comply with the current understanding of the law? Amazon had nothing to do with it, other than 1zpresso maintaining their own storefront on there. Slightly different than independent retailers sourcing and stocking a grinder and getting a cease and desist.

>>18994290
You are incredibly autistic and this is a complement

>>18995550
you can't, especially when the kinu exists, is better, is cheaper/equivalent priced, and actually feels premium

>>18998276
You have to remember that Kinus were $350 before their factory fire and the introduction of the Phoenix to move cheaper units. You were picking between two premium $300+ hand assembled/aligned grinders from europe, or a ~$200 plastic lido screwed together in taiwan.
https://dailycoffeenews.com/2019/12/20/kinu-grinders-recovers-from-factory-fire-expands-m47-line/

I was looking for a small hand grinder for an entry level home espresso machine and this one caught my eye on Amazon as its one of the few hand grinders in its price range with a metal burr. Has anybody had any experience with the 'West Coast Chef' grinder?

>>18998356
Just buy a Kingrinder K2 if you want cheap.

>>18993054
That is so cool how do you do that

>>18998356
>#45435 C2 copy

Why is timemore like this?

>>18998496
Do what

>>18998524
Timemore is based as fuck. (((they))) HATE timemore.

>>18998376
>>18998524
>>18998534


But both of those are twice as expensive? If I was spending that much, I might as well get a Capresso Burr grinder?

I bought a bag of kinda light roast coffee for pour over brewing after like a solid year of sticking to medium-dark espresso. I forgot how hollow and acidic it could get. Do i just keep making the grind finer until it gets some body and "coffee" taste? I think I realize now that I don't know how to appreciate light roasts

>>18998555
Kingrinder K2 is 59.99 on amazon with the coupon.

IF you want even cheaper, K1 is $49 with the same coupon.

>>18998555
>I might as well get a Capresso Burr grinder
if you want to make espresso at home and are leery of spending more than $50 on a grinder, you should pick a different hobby
the capresso is probably worse than your no-name hand grinder, because you're also paying for a motor

>>18998567
yes, hopefully it works out. i also took a break from light roasts for a while drinking exclusively medium roast, the first light-roast cup I made tasted like fruit juice unironically, hope it works out

>>18996580
Why the grocery store budget brand of course. But that was an abnormally large harvesr of retard beans which prompted me to ask about it here

>learn after a decade that you're not supposed to add boiling hot water on instant coffee
instant coffee bros...

>>18998641
why not

>>18998641
Is instant coffee good anyway?

>>18998643
apparently it scorches the coffee and fucks with the taste
>>18998646
i mean it doesn't beat traditional coffee, but it's good for the effort and accessibility

>>18998567
you can try. if it starts to get bitter, lower the water temp.

>>18998652
Explain how 100 degree water is going to "scorch" coffee that has been roasted at 200+ degrees

>>18998555
Buy whatever junk you want. Just don't expect any help when it doesn't work out how you think.

>STEEL BURRS

>>18998652
let's be honest, if you're drinking instant you don't really give a shit about the taste.

>>18997861
Don't have a k0, but generally you tighen the adjustment until you can't anymore, and then you loosen it by clicks.

>>18998555
Anon if you're hesitant to spend less that $100 on an espresso grinder, just don't get into espresso. It's a very expensive hobby and you can make tasty coffee without it.

>>18998646
It can be if good coffee was put through the process. But in practice, because instant is made to be cheap and mass produced, it's made with low quality coffee that's also brewed terribly.

>>18998983
>It's a very expensive hobby
Poorfags can't understand.

>>18998990
French press and a hand grinder is enough for me

>>18999244
Based. I'm usign Timemore's french press with pic related grinder. A sweet combo.

Just got some Starbucks ground coffee. Tastes amazing.

>>18999408
I think I need a new coffee maker for this coffee. It's so good.

>>18999408
They have gross coffee

>>18992692
he's the closest thing to a reliable authority on quality coffee as you're gonna get, so if he's a faggot, everyone in this thread is an aspiring faggot

>>18998990
How's the cumyourself cold brew coming along?

>>18999408
do they have their olive oil coffee yet
howard schultz has said it is a game changer

drink the coffee

>>19000283
Please don't talk to me or my wife's boyfreind unless you're serious aboout coffee. Mid-game minimum liek pic rel if you want to commence the espresso flavour experience.
Don't bother otherwise.

>>18998202
Only $550 what a steal.

>>19000443
>>19000443
You could then, if you up your game, upgrade to pic rel. What we in the know like to call the speter, you understand right? Not only does the shape remind us of a foil, the thing that helps us go from Macao to Dubai & co, but also the rapidity at wich we're able to produce a decent coffee. Heck some countries even began to call it eXpresso like france simply due to the need of speed from natural and legal stimulants.
With this upgrade you're not only upgrading a machine, you're also upgradeing status. This piece of art and time not only exists at any given time but also times the shots that appear almost like magic wich again complement the analogy of the need for speed. A fair and just price is asked in exchange of what simply constitutes a coffee maker.

There's no reason a good espresso machine should cost more than $30.

>>18992621
I bought a jar of bustelo insta coffee
How do I make it taste good?

I only drink Tasters Choice instant coffee. It's the only instant that tastes good and it's cheap, costs me 30$ for a year supply when it's on sale.

>>19000591
Tranqui Emiliano not everybody has the chance to live in the country that birthed Saint Berlusconi capisci? Some of us less fortunate have to do with what's available figurati.
>>19000514
Anyway as i was saying for the unfortunate among us is after a few weeks on the sweet Speter (*short for speedster) & you're ready to settle down pèic related although a little expensive, a couple months of savings you should be able to afford what i like to call the moodbar, simply because of the mood this bar gives me and nothing else. This sweet setup combines utility and beauty the parity is simply unheard of until its market release.
The abscence of sense gives this unique nordic Ikea vibe Sven, Maja & Senait enjoy so much. Paying extra to show less, a true genius marketing idea, silicon valley better be attentive.
This moodbar will, and i'm not lightly using the word, but in its purest escence, it WILL tingle your mood all the whilst being a bar. Absolute sagacity.

I think the aeropress gang has finally mindbroke.

>>18992621
Today I had my coffee as a coffee Pu-erh tea with some brown sugar mixed in

>>19000737
And what the fuck do you mean by that?

>>19000758
You're posting 41 day old gypsy ziplocks of beans from a best western.

>>19000768
Problem?

>>19000845

>>18999376
how're you liking the timemore french press? It looks pretty sexy.

>>18998356
as far as I can tell, all the "premium" hand grinders on amazon look like they all have about the same mechanism.
like 80% of them are using the same burr shape, so just buy the one that you like the looks of and call it a day.

Is picrel all stainless or is the filter basket aluminum?
If not, which all stainless moka pot is good?

>>19001203
Just say you don't know what you're talking about and move on.

>>19001241
I don't think any of you know what you're talking about. I think you all like throwing money at a hobby that doesn't need to be so complicated. I think you're all being scammed like how audiophiles buy expensive special cables that don't really do anything.
Put two cups of coffee in front of you, but one of them the grinder had 30% more fines than the other, you're not going to be able to tell the difference.

>>19001259
I find most people who don't think cables make a difference listen to 192kbps youtube rips or free spotify, not 24bit flac.

>>19001282
retard

>>19001297
I bet you sleep in cheap sheets too.

>>19001324
nah dude I have the mike lindell geezer dreams sheets

>>19001340
Wouldn't know percale if it slapped you in the face, but all random amazon sheets are the same. Just order whatever.

>>18999244
get a used corded drill, even if the handle of the grinder attaches through some proprietary mechanism, a chuck should fit.

>>18992621
Ehhhhhhhhh not too big of a coffee guy myself I'll admit, but I do like frozen stuff in shakes. Get me a nice milky java or a coffee miccydee's frappe, and I'll be a happy zoom.

>>19001401
You're either an AI or massive NPC

>>19000725
>moodbar

>>19001461
>Don't look into it, just buy the first result on amazon
>Thats what the free thinkers do

>>19001488
I have looked into it, that's how I know it's all bullshit, anon.

cableschizo melty thread

>>19001499
>like 80% of them are using the same burr shape
You're talking about this design right? The one that noone recommends at all.
>>18989197
>>18989239

I don't really need carafes since I just make coffee for 1 mug. Any recs on a good pourover/aeropress stand? Preferably, height adjustable.
>aeropress?
I don't want to break any more mugs.

>>19001234
I'd like to know, too.

>>19001858
>I don't want to break any more mugs.
Get on my level, I use an Aeropress at work and brew into cardboard cups

I have money saved.
Inflation is still very high
I just spent 2k on a new PC
Should I spend ~1.2k on a Niche + GCP? I have a Delonghi Magnifica XS which I got for free

>>19002114
>brew into cardboard cups
they're lined with plastic that leeches into your boiling hot coffee

>>19002128
>they're lined with plastic that leeches into your boiling hot coffee
I hope so or I want my fucking money back.

Also I don't mean cafe takeaway cups, I mean workplace disposable come 50 to a tube cups.

>>19002128
boiling implies its still bubbling

>>19002126
DF64+GCP. Or the West Coast Chef Manual Coffee Grinder - Manual Burr Grinder, Portable Coffee Grinder Manual - Espresso Hand Grinder Coffee - Manual Coffee Bean Grinder - Travel Coffee Grinder Hand Coffee Grinder Burr on Amazon.

not sure if you guys realise this but my coffee > ur coffee

>>19001488
she sounds like an anal slut

>>19002329
surprisingy xhe's a top

I regret not getting a metal filter for my aeropress sooner. The official one is a bit dumb with the logo placement though.

>>19001203
>>19001259
Absolutely fucking based
>>19001282
We are Audiophiles and coffee lovers and still ain't buying your useless shit bud

What are some good plastic free coffee machines under $50?

>>19002441
Percolator

>>19002227
you should bring up that little bon mot to the microplastics next time, they'll hop right out of the cup to applaud you for your precision and wit

>>19002441
french press, v60, kalita wave, chemex, siphon, etc.

Bought this one to be the first of my setup for just $8, a simple gooseneck kettle and a thermometer.

The only one that is missing is the grinder, and people are recommending the K6, but I feel it is a little overkill for someone like me that doesn't know what good coffee mean, and I'm looking for cheap timemore clones (probably OEMs) that look like they are the same.

>>19002527
buy nice or buy twice, especially when it comes to coffee, especially when it comes to grinders

>>19002416
You should start up the poor coffee general. Only verified c2 posters allowed.

>>19002527
A good coffee grinder is cheap if you compare it to the coffee you're going to put through it. Buy the k6

>>19002527
Instead of getting a cheap clone of a shitty grinder, you should get a cheap clone of a good grinder. Kingrinder k1 for $50. 38mm italmill clones.
https://madebyknock.com/products/aergrind

>>18992654
You can do that????

How come when I do the inverted method using an aeropress and go to plunge some coffee always seeps out and drips down the outside of my mug?

I've had a baratza encore for a while and am a bit tired of the coffee from it, feels sort of muddy compared to coffee from cafes, even with varied technique
at what price are hand grinders equivalent in performance to it or slightly better, and how much to get a noticeably improved/great cup?

>>19002808
A $60 hand grinder is comparable. A $100 hand grinder shits on it.

Just made a fucking amazing cappuccino, it feels so fucking good bros

>>19002853
The P is for exPresso.

>>19002808
Just look up James Hoffman's youtube channel and look up grinder reviews.

>>19001026
I mean it's a french press. It has a silicone gasket type thing instead of the traditional wire spring thing so you get a bit less grounds in your cup.
It also has indentations for what seems like a tea infuser cup, the manual that came with it talks about it but i have not been able to search what basket would fit.

I want to gift a friend of mine a cheapish coffee settup.

Is the kingrinder K0 enough for an aeropress?

>>19001259
Most lucid anon ITT. Is CGP the lsr305 of goffee?

>>19002808
>even with varied technique
Excuse me but what the fuck is a varied technique with an electric grinder? On off on off on off as opposed to On then off?

>>19002892
It will grind coffee, yes. Buy a k1 instead.
>>19002921
I think he means no matter what "technique" he uses its making shitty coffee and he hopes to fix that.

Meme or the real deal?
Bellman steamer for milk drinks?

Get an induction cooktop and a kettle, use it for boiling the water and the steamer?

>>19003125
jej

Listen. Black coffee is superior. There is no argument to be had. If you drink black coffee, you dont have the moral problem of drinking milk, you dont get fat from the sugar, you get nice bitter coffee which just tastes better. Honestly, if you like coffee with milk (yeah those people exist), you dont like coffee, you like warm milk with some flavory stuff. You're not a real man. I used to be like you guys, drinking my coffee with milk and sugar. Every time someone offered me a coffee, I had to inconvenience them to go get milk and also put sugar in it. What a dick move. But they did it, because they were being nice. I used to be like that. One day I was welding shit together, grinding fresh welds to perfection, you know, manly man shit. I went to the kitchen to get coffee, but there was no milk. No sugar. No ground coffee. Just coffee beans. So I went to work, crushing up the beans and putting them in a cup, poured hot water over it, waited a bit (im no pussy but only psychopaths drink their coffee super hot), and drank it. It was disgusting. It was bitter. It was nothing like any coffee i'd had before. But that's when I realized that black coffee is much more than just coffee without milk. Its the real deal. Its a lifestyle. Its the feeling of purity, manliness, elegance, all in a hot cup. When someone offers me a coffee, I just say thanks. No milk. No sugar. Some are surprised, some ask again "are you sure?". Yes, yes, I am sure. I'm no pussy. I dont like warm milk. I like roasted bean juice and if it doesnt taste like roasted bean juice, its not coffee.

>>19003300
Where can I buy a comically large Bialetti

>>19003315
Pretty sure you can find one for free in Montebuglio, Italy. Comes with a bespoke roast.

>>19002808
I juat ordered the "better" burrset dor my 7 year old encore for this reason, m2 or something. Will report back whether or not it makes a difference. Dont get a hand grinder like a peasant anon, this board is full of kids and poors thats why they talk so much about hand grinders. Its not a real option if you value your time at all

>>19003125
Literal 2010s woodchuck hipster meme

Niche is twice the price of a DF64. But it looks so much nicer and reviewers like Hoffman tore the DF64 a new asshole.
Is it worth it?

>>19003523
Depends on your perspective.

>>19003523
>Is it worth it?
Absolutely. You cannot begin to make drinkable coffe without a grinder that costs at least 499£+shipping&tax.
When you rationally think about it from a logical point of view it makes absolute sense not only because some bri*ish salesman on youtube says so but also because it's more expensive which if you're in the know is a direct correlation with quality.
Me personally? Since switching to a Ditting grinder every. single. cuppa. from. ethiopia. tastes like a blueberry fruit bomb if i may say. Not having the coffee istead is a blessing that has it's price.
Pic rel is my morning cuppa

>>19003125
They're great. Snagged one out of the first batch.
>>19003523
Niche has a better workflow but you're stuck with shitty 63mm Conicals from mazzer. Df64 is a Chinese shit box clone of a mazzer super jolly, but you've got access to 'better' flats.
>>19003592
Seethe.

>>19004103
>with shitty 63mm Conicals
I can't say that I can tell the difference between conical and flat burrs. Are the niche burrs actually shitty or just shitty relative to 1k+ grinders?

>>19004103
>Df64
>Not the Df83
ngmi

>>19004114
It's all relative. They weren't particularly popular in their original grinder (mazzer kony). If you want a high fines producing traditional set of Italian burrs, stick with the stock df64 italmills. If you find out you don't like them, you've got various other options to toss in. You can put the sworks flat conversion on a niche to open up your options slightly, but that's just throwing good money after bad.
https://sworksdesign.com/Flat-Burr-Conversion-Kit-Niche-Grinder-p507175010
>>19004166
I'm waiting for the poors to test out all the 83mm sets for my wug. I'm probably just going to end up with blind Weber 80s though.

>he doesn't use a Eureka grinder
Ngmi

>>19004330
At least I don't watch anime

>>19004330
Somehow Italy makes worse shitboxes than China.

>>19003354
How so? It makes good espresso, doesn't take up a lot of space, scaling is a non issue.

>>19003125
I have the bellman. I only make milk drinks during the winter. Electric kettles are convenient, but if you have a gas range, I would get a normal kettle. So the bellman, stove top kettle, and a manual espresso machine will make sourcing water and dealing with scale easy. If your just pulling a couple shots a day then the workflow is fine. I'm a lazy bastard, so I ditched my hand grinder early on, so a really easy workflow.

KINO KINO KINO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1KojubUUfw

>>18992654
Bro you can just nuke it

>>18992621
Where can I find test strips to find caffeine levels?

>>18999408
I buy grocery store ground Starbucks Sumatra and use a $20 Mr. Coffee. Best cup I've ever had.

>>19004673
Google.

>>18992663
It's to look modern. That or charcoal stone with philodendrons everywhere. The idea is if I make it look like it's a place smart rich techies go to work for free on their MacBooks then you don't question why an Americano is $9 (+tip).

I don't really want to create a new thread for this. I was going to make a latte, and my milk tastes absolutely fucking awful. It's still within its sell by date, and I don't think it's spoiled, since it's not sour/acidic/rancid. I took a sip, and it felt far thicker than it should have, and it had a weird chemical/medicine taste to it; I don't know how else to describe it. Obviously I'm just going to chuck it away, but what the hell happened? It smelled fine in the container, and I always thought when milk went bad, it got sour?

>>19004888
Mom found your smegma jar and switched it with your milk carton as punishment

>>19003347
Interested to know how that goes for you. I got a baratza encore for my parents that I’d like to upgrade for them too.

What’s wrong with handgrinders? I got the cheapest okay one from that list floating around so I don’t have to mess with my regular espresso grinder. I use it for single serve drip or moka pot.

>>19005115
Nothing at all. It's just a schizo upset that his encore is and has been junk compared to hand grinders for years.

>>18992665
>>18992671
some of them are still made in Italy, some are made in eastern Europe (Romania, I think), even the aluminum ones.
The italian made ones have "Made in Italy" engraved on the middle band

Using a picopresso for simple shots and a k6 to grind. What setting do you fags recommend for the grind?
I've tried 45-50 clicks and I'm getting channeling and over extraction but my extraction time seems about correct. 35 seconds or so.
I'm using a dark roast which is likely part of my problem. Any feedback is welcome.

>>19004673
>test strips to find caffeine levels
not trying to be rude, but why?
you have extreme sensitivity and not trust decaf or something?

>>19005423
I'm curious about resulting caffeine levels from combinations of caffeinated and decaf beans. 20g caffeinated beans and 80g decaf beans wouldn't produce 20% decaf coffee.

>>19005454
> 20g caffeinated beans and 80g decaf beans wouldn't produce 20% decaf coffee.
Why wouldn't it?

>>19005334
With a Pico, the only thing you should be chasing is taste. Don't worry about extraction times, or crema, or the state of the puck after, etc. I'm using a K4, not a K6, but I'm at 51 click on the K4. Just anecdotally, dark roast is probably part of the problem. I've tried several different roasts, just to find out what I like, and the darker roast I had, I could not for the life of me get dialed in. I tried adjusting every single variable, and I just couldn't get a good coffee.

>>19005498
Thanks bro. I was thinking of those other variables just to get a consistent result and test the grind setting. I'm using some Starbucks dark roast Sumatra because my gf bought me some, and I don't really care about wasting them. That's probably my issue. I'm gonna try 55 since I've been at 49 and getting usable, but bitter results.
I'm an espresso newfag so, I'm not concerned about getting the best result ever just something passable I can sip on or make iced coffees with.

>>19005454
>20g caffeinated beans and 80g decaf beans wouldn't produce 20% decaf coffee
80%?
decaf isn't caffeine-free as is, but I'd imagine you would get 20% the caffeine of a normal coffee+80% of the caffeine from a decaf coffee, because caffeine is not that hard to extract. put another way, I don't think it would be different than if you brewed two brews, one with 20% the water and 20g caffeinated beans, and another with 80%/80g, and combined them

>>19005517
I'd just turn all that starbucks into coldbrew for your girl and go buy a random bag of (still shitty, but much more workable) Stumptown to fuck with.

Shit

>>18992621

Is the Hario Switch easy to clean?

>>19006865
Yeah super easy

Does the Opus hold up as a replacement for the k4? I got a k4 last year and I love it except for the fact that it's giving me muscle soreness. My wife is noticing this and started asking me about electric grinders.

>>19006901
Jesus christ

>>19006901
hit the gym
or buy a drill

>>19006901
Have your wife come to my place so I can teach her some wrist strengthening exercises she can then pass on to you ;)

>>19002441
Moka pot

>>19006919
I've been doing pushups lately, do you think it will help? The soreness is mostly on my shoulder muscle.
>>19006921
My wrist is fine.

>>19005115
Its arriving next week, will let you know how it goes
>>19005144
Nah I had a hand grinder when I was a student 10 years ago. Its just for people who value a couple of euros over their time every morning and lunch. I just couldnt do that to myself. Its well known that the encore produces muddy coffee I acknowledged that in my last post, exactly how am I schitzo for not wanting to do 5 to 10 min of manual labor before my first cup in the morning?

>>19006901
This is what I mean by
>>19007045

>>19007045
>10 years ago
>5 to 10 min
There is a world of difference between the shitty hand grinders from a decade ago and the current premium(and cheap chinese clone) hand grinders. 35g of light roast filter grounds takes under a minute in a kinu. What did you own?

>>19006963
Im going to fuck your wife shoulderletcuck

>>19007069
The hario skerton or something like that. Also I have family, 35g wont go far. I will admit I havent tried the new wave of chinesium grinders but even so, people in this very thread are suggesting bringing power tools into the kitchen... if you dont see the clown makeup on your faces I dont know what to say. You are being marketed to and they dont give a shit what happens after they get your 60 euro

I just bought a timemore c3 because I don’t care about making memepresso. I refuse to believe a k6 is worth double the price.

>>19005334
Uhh, I have a K6 and a delonghi dedica, both the picopresso and the dedica use 51mm baskets.

I go to 52-53 clicks for my darker roasts

>>19007079
>hario skerton
Thats what I figured. Its absolute dogshit. Small wobbly ceramic burr made for pepper mills, with a significant amount of drift.
>people in this very thread are suggesting bringing power tools into the kitchen
Its one of the advertised features of 1zpresso and kingrinder. Functionally no different that something like a skope or wug hg1 motor conversion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lsZMdd704Q
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/867f_sj27Us
https://www.madkatcoffee.com/product/skope-motorizer-pre-order/
>You are being marketed to
You understand breville group(owns baratza) is one of the largest appliance manufacturers in the world right? These tiny chinese brands don't have the budget to market.

>>19007101
Fair enough you make good points, except for the muh small underground chinese brands cant market. I respect your view though

>>19007188
I've got a $200 german made kinu and a $2600 wug out of hong kong with swiss made flats. There's a couple other people who post here with 2k+ "endgame" grinders and cheaper chinese hand grinders. They also really fucking like them. One guy has a Kafatek Monolith Flat Max and 1zpresso zp6, the other has a Weber Eg1 and 1zpresso K. You'd be shocked how good hand grinders have gotten in the past few years. Don't write them off.
>small underground chinese brands cant market
They're sending out review units and hoping for the best. Breville is spending millions on targeted ads on facebook.

When will we reach a point where n-core burrs make the grinders wide instead of tall?

>>19007280
Titvs and Molar are both currently working on desktop roller mills. I know theres also a jap company making them too but I can't think of the name.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CobV543h9LY/?hl=en

>>19007288
I mean, adding more side to conical burrs means they have to make them thinner to allow the beans to pass through. At some point, the shape will change into disc rather than cone.

Made my brew too weak this morning. Still kind of a nice cuppa but could be much better. Tastes a little bit like honey and honeydew melon. Guess I'll have to try again tomorrow

>>19007313
Flat burrs?

>>19007330
No, what I imagine is like wide trapezoid shape.

>>19007340
So youll need to clean the flat burr every time???

>>19007350
Some grinders have more retention than others. Some need bellows. P100 automatically ramps up rpm when it finishes grinding to spit out the last few particles. I just spin my burrs in reverse and get basically zero retention.

>>19005517
Without getting into coffee snobbery about Starbucks beans, the issue is probably that their dark roasts make really awful espresso. In fact, the dark roast I mentioned in my previous post that I couldn't get dialed in was a Starbucks dark roast. So I'm guessing the problem is less about the Pico not being great for dark roasts, and more that Starbucks dark roasts are terrible for espresso. I'd use the remainder of that Sumatra for either regular drip coffee, or a cold brew like the other anon mentioned. Obviously a specialty roaster is the best option for whole beans, but if that's not an option for one reason or another, Starbucks' Guatemala makes a decent espresso on the Pico. It's what I used when I first bought my espresso stuff, to learn how to dial in and control variables, before moving on to better beans.

So what the hell is the deal with 1ZPresso and Kingrinder? My understanding is/was, they're both clones of Comandante, and they're both owned by the same parent company and are the same product with different branding to be sold in different regions; 1ZP in NA and EUR, and Kingrinder in SEA. But right now in the States, I can (and indeed did) get a Kingrinder K4 for about half the price of the equivalent 1ZP grinder. If they are actually the same grinders with the same parts made by the same people, why would they undercut themselves with Kingrinder, when the entire point of 1ZP is to undercut the much more expensive grinders they're cloning? It seems like a really odd business decision to compete against yourself with an identical product sold at a lower price point.

Whoever triggered the retard needs to apologize. He's cryspamming and it's not okay

>>19007495
I love coffee! I could drown in it!!!!
*GLUG GLUG GLUG*

>me getting my order at starbucks

>>19007430
>>19007441
>>19007443
>>19007447
>>19007463
>>19007475
>>19007496
>>19007501
>>19007509
>>19007519
>>19007530
>>19007536
>>19007540
>I've bumped your general for an hour. U mad coffefags?

>>19007495
Its just Chang putting this thread over the bump limit because it contains criticism of cheap hand grinders, nothing to see here how could they ever compete with big bads like Breville

>>19007551
*SLURP SLURP SLURP*

>>19007555
>>19007562
>>19007567
You have a long way to go

>>19007536
>unbothered. moisturized. happy. in my lane. focused. flourishing

>>19007415
Honestly I have no clue, maybe they saw people importing the cheaper kingrinders and decided "Hey, why not get both the mid range and budget markets at once?"?

Anyone else roasting their own beans? Definitely improves the taste having a fresh roast. Also winds up being somewhat cheaper I'm using a propane burner and a stainless steel stovetop popcorn maker to do it.

>>19007496
Dumb mods/jannies only deleted 1 post lmao

>>19007802
Why doesn't Starbucks make bubble tea?

Wtf where did the last 20 posts go?

So, I’m waiting for the right moment to buy the espresso machine and the coffee grinder while I’m stuck with my Nespresso machine.

I started buying third party capsules made by small coffee roasters to try different blends and so far they’re light years better and more interesting than any nespresso branded capsule.

Do you have any specific brand / roasted to suggest?

>>19007879

>>19007886
The Cremoso capsules from this roasters are the best one I tasted so far

>>19005585
Well Hoffmeme showed that espresso doesn't extract caffeine very well. I'm guessing 20% caffeine beans is somewhere in the 30-40% caffeine range, by volume relative to full strength.

>>19005585
In other words, if you took 20% if the water and made the appropriate amount of coffee with only 20g of caffeine beans, and then made another batch of coffee with your soggy ass filter and used grounds, would that coffee be nearly decaffeinated?

>>19006901
This reminds me of the weightlifting communists where someone said you can really sore from a 12 ounce soup can

>>19007879
You can also buy a couple refillable stainless capsules on ali and fill them with whatever you want.

>>19008011
Yeah I saw them on Amazon but I was wondering how efficient that would be, provided that pre grounded coffee from the roaster suits the capsule

>>19007415
They were previously selling the cheaper kingrinders as the 1zpresso rs and rk. Turns out they're so cheap that the south east Asian market really didn't want them, they wanted the more expensive 'flagships', so they split the brand and cheap Americans ate kingrinder right up after aggressive Amazon black Friday sales.
>they're both clones of Comandante
1zpresso broke into the hand grinder market with the JE and E grinders. JE was nearly an exact kinu clone, down to using real italmills. E was the first comandante clone using the original 38mm q2 burr.

For me, medium espresso roasted beans and a Clever.

>>19007890
>Body
>Intensity
>Character
These stats make no sense

>>19007246
>You'd be shocked how good hand grinders have gotten in the past few years. Don't write them off.
I'm the guy with the max. I still need to do a side by side taste test for pourover because I don't think i can tell a difference between it and the ZP6 without having two brewed right next to each other. ZP6 is insanely good for $200

>>19008233
Hang onto it. Apparently they're not making any more.
>>19006820

>>19007097
>>19005498
Makes sense. I figured the coffee was the problem, but I figured if I could even remotely get to dial in a shit roast, other ones would be a bit easier. I tried 53 and it still wasn't good, but it was at least properly extracted.
I did a medium at that same grind and it was under but in the ballpark.
Do you run a few grams though the grinder when changing grind levels or is that a meme? I have been but I honestly can't see a difference.

>>19008299
You can, but hand grinders have very low retention. I never bothered, but if it makes you feel better waste a couple beans.

>>19004460
yuck

>>18992785
>>18992806
>I've got good bitter tolerance
I don't understand. Why would you hate bitterness?

>>19008331
Lindt enjoyer here
I guess if you eat lots of sugar you taste bitterness more. 70% tastes sweet to me since going low carb. 90% would taste bitter to me before but now is really enjoyable, like no bitterness.
If you dark roasts taste bitter to you, you might eat to much sugar was my take.

>>19008331
I don't hate bitterness. I hate predictability and loud, obnoxious personalities. I need layers. I need length. And I need pairing: more layers and more length. More surprises, lasting joy.

2 sips of an IPA and I'm out. Anything over 78% cacao and I'm bored. This >>19008299, >>19007097 and >>19005334 is complete garbage as well: simple, one-dimensional flavour profiles with little to no satisfaction. Aka how on earth did this become a meme, ever?

>>18994187
looks cold and uncomfortable, no thanks

For me, it's under-extracted Ethiopian light roast.

>>19009021
for me its over extracted $300 per kg medium roast Ethiopian.

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>>19009618
>>19009618

this shit tastes really good. not too sweet, creamy, and smooth.

Convince me to stop spending 100 yen every morning to instead buy hundreds of dollars of equipment to make my own coffee

>>19006963
https://youtu.be/UX3wQl_JN6s?t=21

>>19008411
>I need layers.
You must love Shreck