/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>18902032
those temperatures are dangerous and of no use to you or your average consumer.

>>18902032
It's fine for bread. Agree it won't bake pizza properly though.

if your oven can't get hot enough to bake bread, then it's not working correctly and you should get it serviced. or you have a cheap piece of shit.

you can bake both at ~450 to 500

>>18902111
The forbidden temperatures.. hide these away from the goyim, they must never have them

>>18902032
It makes bread very nicely and pizza just fine. Quit blaming the equipment for your ineptitude.

>>18902032
>How did low temperatures become the standard for home ovens
because for 99.9% of the population it is not needed to have a super hot oven.

also insurance reasons.

>>18902032
you'd need an industrial fire sprinkler system for when your kitchen goes ablaze

>>18902032
Because the average person doesn't regularly need it nor has the ventilation required, that's even ignoring cost.

>>18902715
Huh

>>18902766
let me translate for >>18902715 as I recently went through this wanting a commercial stove in my house.

in order to have a commercial gas stove it needs a firewall around it since commercial stoves have no insulation and are installed in non flammable locations (surrounded but stainless steel equipment). this is needed to have your insurance cover it.

also one needs a very high CFM exhaust if it is capable of higher temperatures. a fire suppression system would be a good idea, but my insurance did not mention that I needed it.

>unhook door lock wire
>set oven to self clean
>bake pizza

>>18902792
this is illegal btw

>>18902808
please.... show use the federal, state, or local law.
no I won't look it up, you made a statement defend it.

>>18902840
no

>>18902851
well then it's not true.

>>18902851
based
>>18902840
>>18902861
cringe

>>18902861

>>18902808
Even if it is, who will ever know?
>pic unrelated

>>18902851
>>18902864
>>18902808

>>18902886
that is not how ovens work

>>18902888

>>18902898
Yes they do.

>>18902898
Huh

>>18902140
Pizza is fine, not Neapolitan pizza though.

>>18902792
My oven doesn't have a lock or cleaning mode

>>18902032
That thing looks like an ez bake oven, what are you goofy or something?

>>18902907
Holy shit, it's the BACONATOR!
BEWARE!

>>18902151
Homemade bread always has that greenish look and wet grainy texture regardless of how much you bake it, it's impossible to get it golden crisp outside yet fine and soft on the inside like in a real bakery

Speaking of pizza I just brought some frozen pizza but they were out of my usual brand, there were 2 brands of peperoni I could choose from left and I remembered one brand was good and the other shit but couldn't remember which, eating it now and I chose the wrong one

>>18902785
Wolf makes residential versions of commercial ranges with zero clearance to combustibles and electric ignition instead of standing pilots. You'll still want a decent hood

>>18902032
preheat
pizza
stone

>>18903298
Proper pizza is literally impossible to cook below 500f.

>>18902032
Because indoor brick ovens cost more than most people can afford.

>>18904800
get a baking steel

>>18902907
I hope they didn't eat that. It would have lots of lead dust on it.

Works in my machine

>>18905814
That's just burnt, real baking requires high temps in a short period, not a medium temp over a long period

>>18904800
>pull bread out of oven while baking
>brush with water
>reinsert into oven
>it's crisp

>>18905834
>burnt
lol, go back to your fast food threads

>>18905638
Why would you cook it below 500 F?

>>18902905
you cry too easy

My oven reaches 350C how much hotter your need?

Even my sour dough is baked at 250C to rise and then reduced to 230C

>>18904800
>that greenish look and wet grainy texture
i've never had that problem with my bread. it sounds like your oven is a piece of shit.

>>18904800
Nonsense just get a cast iron pot with a lit.
Pre heat iron pot.
Put dough inside
Trap steam
Remove top and bake for 15min to make a crunchy crust.
Perfect bread

Bullshit. Mine goes up to 600 but I prefer to make pizza at 425.

Fuck off.

My oven is broken. I don't own a microwave. I don't own a freezer. I don't own a coffee maker. I don't own a rice cooker. It is an undisputable fact taht I am a demigod, only surpassed by Jack.

>>18902032
I'll let you know. I got a za in there right now.

>>18906420
What exactly is the purpose of the steel anyway?

>>18906440

>>18906545
So why do people care about thickness of the metal?

>>18906556
heat retention i presume.

>>18906596
Why do you need to retain heat? If your oven thermostat is broken? I put a thermostat in mine and it fluctuates very little.

>>18902792
new ovens have low temp steam clean modes instead of the traditional hot as fuck ones

>>18906556
>>18906619
Placing a pizza on a hot surface is one of the key steps in baking it correctly, the stone in a pizza oven is hot and you want to replicate that in your home electric oven, hence a steel or a stone. It's to draw out moisture and bake it from underneath immediately for a crisp underside.

>>18906628
Thin steel would be just as hot. No way a single pizza is single handedly cooling off 1/2 inch steel plate I see people put in their ovens.

>>18906635
I don't know about the physics of it but I remember reading something about the mass playing an important role, I know the couple pizzas I tried baking on a preheated baking tray weren't even close even though the tray was so hot it would burn your skin off if you touched it.

>>18906660
Even heating is important. The idea is to efficiently transfer even heat to the pizza. I can see the need for a certain thickness and long pre-heat times but it seems to me people go to extremes. Having plates way larger than they cook on, and way thicker than is needed.

>>18904800
Huh

Just so everyone is aware, you can buy a used commercial range, and then just pay a home depot parking lot mexican to install it for you, they don't give a fuck. Anyone who actually gets permits to do home renos is a bootlicking cuck. Its your property, so that means you get to do what you want with it. Just lie to your insurance provider, and that's assuming you even fell for that jewish scam (insurance never pays out, just so you know)

The difference between baking bread commercially and in a home oven is steam not temperature.

>>18905813
My kids broke me and made me switch to lead "free" solder. Turn around for 2s and one of them is running around with the board I've been working on. Got tired of chasing them around with d-lead.
Lead free can be fine, it's just way more expensive for same results.
>Thank you for reading my blog.

>>18906980
>Just lie to your insurance provider
I called mine about the wood stove, they were really confused why I'm calling them and told me they don't care. They also paid for cleaning when the shitter exploded, chalked it under flood damage.

>>18905834
this guy has never baked a pizza
i can do pretty darn good at 550-535 and with the broiler
and im prety darn happy with my pizzas, but still miss those good oven pies back east

>>18902032
500 degrees fahrenheit is more than enough to bake a good pizza or bread.

>>18906980
post your diy shed

>>18906627
>Source: I just fucking made it up

>>18906980
This >>18907231
What retarded shithole do you live in that you have to call your insurance provider and tell them when you buy a new appliance? My insurance company doesn't know fuckall about what I've got in my house and they don't care, if I have to file a claim I tell them what it's for and they reimburse me, that's it.

>>18907413
It is not.

>>18907420

>>18908010
Anon, many insurance companies have extra rules on wood burning stoves and fireplaces. I called them to check if mine did too, which they don't.
This is because people are retarded and don't clean their chimneys or burn Chinese pallets treated with heavy metals and cancer.

>>18906627
bocchi the cock

>>18902032
You fucking people using an Easy Bake Oven? I get 500F on a shitty Kenmore built in the 90s. Otherwise if you want 600 to 800 build a goddamn wood fired pizza oven in your back bloody yard.

>>18906980
there is no way the gas company is going to fill you tank or turn on your line without the right paperwork plus they have to inspect it themselves even if you already have gas and you just run tank dry

>>18907211
its actuallu the temputur of the steam which can get considerably hotter the 212 water boiling point
at home you're just getting some barely vaporized steam off a pan in the bottom of the oven or however you do it but commercial ovens have high pressure steam injectors

>>18906619
>Why do you need to retain heat?
Presumably because air is very poor at transferring heat, so the more heat stored in the steel, the better.

>>18908869
Yes, but after a certain amount it's pretty useless. You only need so much heat retained for cooking one pizza. I don't see why someone needs a half inch steel plate the size of an entire oven rack. You'd get the same results from a 4kg steel disk not much larger than the pizza you're cooking.

>>18902171
Fahrenheit 451

>>18908902
That's an entirely fair point.

>>18908902
half an inch is fucking overkill, but a larger area just makes it easier to place the pizza and not risk parts of it hanging off of the steel

>>18908946

420 J/(kg^0C) is the heat capacity of steel. How many joules do you need to toast/char a flat piece of bread at x humidity and density?

>>18908902
You are only cooking the thing for 20 or so minutes, it most definitely does make a difference. Just look at videos of people trying to perfect NYC pizza recipes. 10 degrees of difference can fuck up the taste and feel.

>>18908984
A single pizza will reduce the temperature of 4kg of steel by 10 degrees? I haven't done the calculations but I'm not certain that it would.
Also, you're fucked if you're baking a NY for 20 minutes, I can do it in 9-11 (no pun intended) in my oven at 585 with a long pre-heat.

>>18904800
What the hell are you talking about?

>>18910360
>posts bread that's greenish and grainy on the inside and burnt on the outside

>>18902032
just put your oven on max setting this is 270c for me and i have a cheap one. leave it at max temp for a good 10 min and put pizza it will cook fast like in pizza oven.

>>18910362
>greenish and grainy
An oven doesn't turn food green or grainy. Are you a retard?

>>18910362
i think your screen (or eyes) is fucked up.

>>18910362
Not him/her. The focaccia needs some help (more heat), the bread and pastry is top tier.

>>18908352
I repeat, what shithole? Maybe they ask you extra questions cause you're brown? I dunno, sucks to be you though.

>>18908852
Why would buying a stove require him to involve the gas company? Assuming he has existing service and he pays his bill he can just hook up whatever the fuck he wants to the line.

>>18908956
>420 J
DUDE

>>18905814
this is not pizza, it's an abomination

Oven

>>18912379
Not if he wants his insurance to pay out in the event of a fire.

>>18906440
The steel acts as a thermal battery and crisps the bottom well.

>>18904800
Sounds like you have a shit oven.

>>18902032
The issue is just price, a couple of houses ago I just had a small rational oven since I routed three phase to the kitchen. Not exactly hard.

>>18902171
well cut em a break man they've had bad experiences with ovens

>>18902032
retards setting themselves on fire, basically.

>>18902032
My oven gets to 550f, and because (I suspect) it turned the crap in the air fry catch tray into carbon monoxide, buy bird got gassed and was pretty fucked up for a bit and we had a good scare. Three good news is the bird is fine and getting better medical care than I am. The bad news is I'm only allowed to bake at 450f.
>Allowed
If this bird wasn't so amazing I wouldn't put up with it, but I'm not going to argue the point. I value this bird more than nearly all people. You have no idea.
>>18902694
Correct. I do recipes that call for " 550f or the highest setting your oven goes" at lower temperatures all the time. Obviously there are exceptions, but almost everything can be cooked at 350f.

Also, they may use teflon inside the electronics and that can off gas. You can't get a strait answer out of them and I'm not sure they even know.

>>18904800
t. dumbest gorilla retard nigger I've seen all week

>>18910360
I can see why you're so bitchy on the other thread. I just found this guy. You're being a douchebag on the bread machine thread, but you make a sick loaf. This guy is fucktarded.

>>18905834
it's slightly overcooked but a pan pizza doesn't require high temps. Only neapolitan needs 800-900f

>>18904800
>Homemade bread always has that greenish look
This fucker is cooking with moldy bread haha.

>>18918245
Nah it's greenish here too >>18910360

I'm talking about all the homemade bread I've seen in general

>>18918462
You should see a doctor I think you might be dying.

>>18902032
I got a pizza stone (It's cast iron) and crank my oven to 550 F for an hour before I use it. Works very well for a pizza but I use a Dutch oven heated the same way to bake sour dough bread.

>>18906660
>>18902032
>>doesn't get anywhere near hot enough to bake bread or pizza or most dough in your path
>How did low temperatures become the standard for home ovens
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>>18918886
My oven only gets to 180 celcius.

>>18918462
You have a shitty fucking monitor

>>18918948
Then you don't have a oven.
This sounds like those easy bake ovens for lil girls to play pretend housewife

>>18918948
That's a fucking toaster not an oven

>>18918948
That's pretty lame, but you can still bake most things with it. It will just take longer. You might need to adjust recipes to make them wetter so they don't dry out while they cook agonizingly slowly.