/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Hairloss is the #1 side effect.

>>18859445
Ah yes I forgot that one.

>>18859442
a below average IQ also coincides with keto but that's not so much a side effect of the keto diet but rather the cause of doing the keto diet.

>>18859442
it has many side effects. just eat a little more varied. it's the best for hooman honestly. we are not animals. your brain really really wants those carbs as well once in a while. it fuels the brain.
i have done keto for 1 week and my sweat had a terrible stench compared to normal eating. it's some sort of surviving mode your body goes into. it's not natural and thus has side effects

I swear ketotards are the worst

>>18859568
>surviving mode your body goes into. it's not natural

These two concepts don't go together

>>18859442
When I did keto it was 5 to 7 cups of vegetables a day, I got so sick and tired of cauilflower.
This guy must be going over board on the fats.

I can go keto at the drop of a hat, fasting too. No side-effects. Sounds like you're a little carb bitch who never weaned off his sugar addiction LMAO

>>18859581
well but it is, maybe not thousands of years ago. you don't life in some afripoor country right? we have access to every food we want.

>>18859588
>"i can drink my own diarrhea at the drop of a hat, urine too. sounds like you're a little bitch who never weaned off his food addiction LMAO"

>>18859588
Post your hairline.

>>18859601
>having yet another carb tantrum in public
pathetic

>>18859641
>posting pictures of yourself on a website with 20 public archives
YIKES

>CARBS BAD
God I am looking forward to when this wank is debunked in 7 years and I don't have to hear morons shouting it literally every time food is mentioned in conversation.

>>18859653
>YIKES
go back

>>18859657
Yeah, can't we just agree that refined sugar and HFCS and shit is the true enemy. Not high quality bread and other traditional foods.

>>18859657
GRAINS bad. Soft cheese, milk, etc have carbs/sugar and are good.

>>18859657
It's already been debunked repeatedly. the keto diet as a weight-loss or health diet is not supported by the popular scientific opinion.

>>18859665
You're still wrong, seeing any and all sugar as the boogeyman. HFCS is no more dangerous than other forms of simple sugars, and simple sugars are only bad in excess. Stop getting diet advice from wine moms on twitter.

>>18859591
>we have access to every food we want.

And that doesn't seem the least bit "unnatural" to you?

>>18859672
>grains bad
holy shit how can people still be this retarded.

>>18859679
"unnatural" is a poor argument because it depends entirely on ever-changing opinions on what is natural or not. cheese is not naturally occuring in nature. some would say farming isn't natural.
concerning one's self with things that aren't "natural" is exactly what leads complete morons into doing the paleo diet lol. which in a way is more retarded than keto.

>>18859691
Yeah idk how you can be retarded enough to eat grains, the based chinks had it figured out aeons ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigu_(grain_avoidance)?useskin=vector

god I love a good ketofag sperg out

So, have we reached full circle back to "everything in moderation = healthy"?
All this psuedoscience is annoying.

>>18859674
OK your reply made me think that you may be wrong about keto because you're so out of touch over sugar. Sure if I make a large dessert to share once a week and it contains 3 tbsp of sugar for the whole thing I'm not freaking out. But the average american is consuming 70g of added sugar per day. How is that not a problem?

>>18859442
Keto induced Schizophrenia

>>18859696
grains are not bad. the chinks avoided them because in those days there were problems with beriberi (a disease caused by not getting enough vitamin B because people weren't eating enough protein) and fungal diseases affecting the rice crops which caused people to hallucinate, get sick, and die.

>>18859698
Only stupid people advocate for moderation

>>18859679
no it doesn't because we live in a modern society. it has been like this since we are born, so it's normal for us. thus natural

>>18859706
>70g of added sugar per day. How is that not a problem?
I mean I would never say that's not a problem. But you're accidentally agreeing with me that overconsumption and excess is a problem, but not carbs inherently.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/carbohydrates/art-20045705
70g of added sugar is only 280 calories and the average healthy adult needs about 2,000 total calories per day, which means between 225 and 325 grams of carbs (not simple carbs/sugars, but carbs in general) per day in a healthy diet.

>>18859691
The problem is you seem to be ascribing value to a neutral statement
>>18859753
Modernity has a lot of benefits buts let's not pretend it's natural to eat fresh bananas in the Swedish winter

>>18859782
you're using "not natural" in a way that means "bad" or "nobody should do this."

>>18859691
>"unnatural" is a poor argument because it depends entirely on ever-changing opinions on what is natural or not
Everything that occurs is natural, insofar as it is a byproduct/function of nature

>>18859851
actually "natural" means occuring in nature.
But with your definition nothing is unnatural.

>>18859859
Occuring in/function of.. same difference
and, yes, thats the point i was trying to make..nothing is unnatural until such a time as it ceases to occur. so basically, do what you feel compelled to do until you cant anymore and leave the value judgments to god or whatever

>>18859442
Death

>>18859878
no, you're twisting the definition and you know it. natural means occurring within or by nature. humans making cheese is not natural because cheese wouldn't get made in nature without humans making it deliberately and methodically. human interference or interaction is not considered natural even though we are animals existing in the natural world.

>>18859442
You get dreams about eating bread

>>18859741
true, i may aswell pick a side! I think it's all pure fats today and tomorrow 500g of carbs

>>18859892
Humans exist in and nature, same as a dog or cat or tree. Our actions are no more "interference" than Fido taking a shit. would you call that unnatural?
>b-but thats apples to oranges!!1!
we have a far greater sphere of influence than most other sentient lifeforms, true, but that doesnt negate the fact that we are natural beings

>>18859949
>Humans exist in and nature
So this is the power of hairloss(keto)

>>18859805
No
>>18859581
This was my first post in the thread. It literally all started with a response to someone saying an adaption to the natural patterns of feast and famine of the hunter gatherers was "unnatural". You are unbelievably retarded

>>18859878
This is some impressive pilpul

>>18859442
Gout is one I've heard of, but that was because the idiot in question considered McDonald's hamburger patties the foundation of his keto.

>>18859442
full keto is retarded but low carb is a proper human diet, you should stay under 100 grams of carbs/day on the high side

people who do keto thinking bacon grease and cheese are some kind of neolithic powerfood are retarded. increase your vegetable and fruit fiber intake dramatically. drop a big fatty piece of meat on top of all that. cut out carbs and sugars completely. add more fish and add more olive oil, coconut oil, and avocado oil. drink citrus in water. wala, superior to keto.

>>18859568
>humans are not animals
pleas oh pleas actually be this retarded

Just not going to eat the carbs nor get the vaxx. Sorry! Hahahaha

>>18859584
more people think keto is a excuse to eat just a straight cheese and bacon diet which is just retarded, you need to watch your macros

>>18859782
It doesn't matter if it isn't natural. You aren't in nature. You live in a house and take showers and drive a car.

>>18860111
This is as much as a brain deprived of carbohydrates can muster. Peak keto intellect.

>>18860100
Low carb and low fat dont go together

>>18859442
I don't believe for a second that this is real. I really sort of wish that you /fit/ retards would stop brining your really stupid arguments onto this humble basket weaving forum along with your fake toilet photos and schizo bullshit.

Carb cycling is The Way, but ketolards and carb addicts haven't figured it out yet.

>>18860187
nice stink fumes coming out of the dick area.


this guy has back problems and can hardly wipe himself.

>>18860144
>continuing to miss the point

Amazing

Dietary ketosis is the natural state of human beings. It IS THE optimal diet for humans. This is the diet humans ate for 100,000 years. Only in the last 10,000 years have humans dabbled in grain-based, high-carbohydrate diets due to the rise of civilization and agriculture, and with categorically deleterious health effects. Sugar metabolism has always been the secondary backup metabolic pathway reserved for opportunistic and emergency use, not the other way around. Almost everyone you know is sick and fat because of the twisted, socially engineered reversal of natural adaptations.

>>18859442
>anti-ketoschizo thread
you're retarded. so are ketards who think it's healthy to always be in ketosis. Ketosis is a healthy bodily process and you should engage it every so often, generally by fasting but a week of no carbs here or there is probably also healthy as long as you balance it. Shouldn't be a lifestyle.

>>18860346
Sugar (and carbohydrates) have always been seasonally available. The key is seasonally available in conjunction with fiber. Only retards and big wheat actually argue a grain based diet is good. Also there are multiple ethnic groups that get 90% or more calories from these naturally minimally processed carbohydrates and are generally healthy.

I would argue that most problems with glucose based carbohydrates are a carb-fat complex problem. Fructose without fiber to moderate its intake and absorption is basically poisonous though.

>>18859442
Oily piss is good if anything. It means you're literally pissing out fat. You're completely skipping the part where you burn calories, and are just pissing them out.

>>18860346
You're very wrong and very dumb.

>>18860437
>Ketosis is a healthy bodily process and you should engage it every so often.
wrong and retarded

stop being afraid of carbs. all you keto fans are so stupid you're just worthless

>>18860153
Nobody said low fat. Going "full keto" means around 70-80% of caloric intake as fat. I'm almost constantly low carb. I just eat meat, cheese, and veggies mostly. If I eat carbs I eat carbs, whatever the fuck, I just generally avoid them.

How fat is /ck/? Keto has been the only effective diet for my phenotype, granted I don't think the standard white has to cut carbs like I have to, but I can only imagine keto would work ten times better for you.

>>18860556
I'm so skinny my doctor actually said I need to eat more, and i eat pasta, bread, rice, cake, cookies, cereal, and so on all the time.

Carbs are not bad. anyone who thinks otherwise is simply retarded. actually stupid.

>>18859679
No because they became available due to human nature
Everything literally everything including computers is natural
Man is natural and man made things are natural

>>18860556
I am a normal weight, healthy, non-fat 175lb man eating low-carb for the last 8 years. It requires aggressive, intentional overeating for me to get fat. Everyone else my age or older is constantly going off and on calorie restricted weight loss diets or is simply fat as shit.

>>18860346
>civilization is LE BAD

>>18860556
I got fatter after the holidays. I need to lose some weight before spring and I can't wear hoodies and jackets anymore. Just gonna cut carbs and do rolling 48's for a month and I'll lose it all.

>>18859772
I'm going to split my calories consumed into perfect even thirds and neither the chicken-fearing feds nor the idiots pretending keto means no carbs can stop me. 35% shared between fat and protein is too little and meat is nutritionally undervalued by institutions still stuck in the 1960s despite the weight of new evidence.

>>18860587
>>18860596
it's CALORIES that you are supposed to cut to lose weight. you gain weight from overeating CALORIES. calories comes from carbs, protein, and fat. people who are fat tend to overeat. it's not the carbs, it's their overeating that's the problem.

I'm just going to eat a moderate amount of everything and do light exercise.

See you at 100!

>>18860607
More precisely it's usually the calorie density which goes sort of like this
Sugars > Refined carbs > fast food and cheese and semi refined grains > meat > veggies

Fast food isn't even that unhealthy it's just very carb dense. If you're an oldschool factory worker and don't want to get a cramp but have to lift heavy things all day you're perfectly correct to get a whopper and fries and maybe even a small coke because healthy or unhealthy those calories may never even make it to your fat cells (except the coke)
It's what it is because that'd who used to buy food on the go mostly, then they'd have meat and potatoes and sex with their dutiful wives that night. People who sit around all day but still want to eat 3 or 4 lbs of food a day should stick to meat and potatoes and some boiled vegetables for more bulk with less carbs

>>18860608
Your arsenic is served sir

>>18860651
>buying food from china, india, or the south

>>18859442
curing your epilepsy

I did keto for about a year lost 60 lbs or so, after a couple weeks your body adjusts. Just stick to around 20 grams of carbs a day. I didn't have any side effects after the first week and now I'm healthier and have more energy. You really learn about how carbs effect your body when you have a carb heavy meal after being on keto, just makes you want to pass out and go to sleep.

>>18860607
It's not just calories, dingus. It's satiety and calorie quality. You can eat 2000 kcal of pure sucrose every day and be much worse off nutritionally. Metabolism regulation is based on hormones and nutritional requirements. Human beings are not simple machines. I do not overeat calories on a low-carb diet because it does not bork my insulin production/uptake hormone system. You don't have to try to lose weight when you eat good quality foods. It happens naturally, effortlessly.

>>18860836
I did keto for 6 months and then had my penis surgically inverted, kissed my dad on the butthole, and had gay sex for the first time. Keto in all colours!

>>18859691
Grains can be bad. Phytic acid can fuck up your nutrient absorption.

>>18860488
Wild animals are very lean. Even more so before we domesticated them. If by "proper" human diet, you mean the natural duet of man, ad if by natural you mean low carb and based on meat, which you seem to, then that would be a low carb low fat diet and you would die in a month

18860873
uh oh! schizo!

>sugar addict thread
*yawn*

This is my third month of strict carnivore which is keto by definition. There are no side effects except one: complete loss of hunger to the point where I have to make a mental effort to actually eat. I can effortlessly go for a day without eating anything and not experience a hint of hunger.

I have not experienced a loss in my strength exercise performance, but I don't lift super heavy either. My cardio has improved and I can run longer now.

My digestion has improved dramatically. I used to suffer from diarrhea when eating carbs and now all my stools are solid, very small in volume and virtually odorless. There's nothing to wipe after passing a stool, the toilet paper remains clean.

I eat meat of all kinds, fatty fish like mackerel and herring, eggs and full fat cheese. Nothing else. My only deviation from strict carnivore is coffee. The only seasoning I use is super sharp mustard that I add very sparingly to my eggs to enhance the flavor. Salt and pepper as well.

My sleep has become super good. I literally fall ass sleep within seconds of going to bed, but my total sleep time has decreased to roughly 6 hours from 8. I simply do not feel like I need or want to sleep more and I feel great.

Honestly, carnivore/keto has been an amazing experience. I'm never going back to eating carb-laden goyslop.

>>18859442
that's probably bullshit, but it's easy to mislead people on an imageboard when they equate being thin to being healthy, as if body mass was the one and only indicator of good health.

>>18861281
If you're having a 'sandwich' it's not carnivore.

>>18861283
This is the disgusting greasy ass slop these fat ass goyim eat.

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOYIM MEAT IS FOR CHOSEN PEOPLE YOU ARE CATTLE YOU HAVE TO EAT COW FOOD RIGHT NOW GOY YOU HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT FUCKING NOW

>>18861292
I don't consume dairy and rarely eat meat. I follow whole food plant based for the most part. Enjoy your heart attack stupid goy.

>>18861299
>I eat the way the masters tell me but you're the goy

You're both goyim but you're especially dumb

>>18861299
>I don't consume dairy and rarely eat meat.
You are cattle. Diabetes type 2 and Diabetes type 3 (dementia) are waiting for you.

>>18861355
I take omega 3 algae oil and consume lots of omega-3- rich seeds and nuts so dementia is more unlikely to happen. Unrefined carbohydrates don't cause diabetes you fucking moron. Diabetes stems from your body's inability to handle excess fat surrounding your organs.

>>18860437
>so are ketards who think it's healthy to always be in ketosis
No such thing on a proper keto diet which includes a one big bolus of protein per day which kicks you out of ketosis for a short while. Only way it's even possible to stay in ketosis 24/7 is by grazing on your nocarb food all day and getting insufficient protein which is not a proper keto diet.

>>18859442
Keto clears most of those problems. Grains cause them. Constipation is a consequence of not getting the balance right, and "high" cholesterol isn't really a problem.

>>18861385
>retard thinks omega 3 from seeds and nuts are anywhere near comparable to fish
Lol.

>retard thinks just eating omega 3s is going to save him from dimentia while he's destroying his brain with sugar
Lmao.

>Unrefined carbohydrates don't cause diabetes
Ahahahaha.

>Diabetes stems from your body's inability to handle excess fat surrounding your organs.
Ohnononono.

All the tissues in your body are being glycated 24/7 from eating carbslop. Retards like you are precisely the type that end up with both diabetes and dementia.

>>18861287
so healthy bro

>>18861287
Why call a pile of meat a sandwich? Tournedos Rossini is more a sandwich than that shit and no one calls it a 'sandwich'.

>>18861421
Name one person who follows a whole food plant-based diet that has Type 2 diabetes retard. Btw Algae oil isn't ALA it's DHA/EPA. Keep taking your rancid fish oil pills though moron.

>>18859442
Based on studies in children, these are common symptoms of ketosis. It's useful for certain medical conditions but has to be carefully monitored. Doing it as a weight loss diet is sketchy, and long term is insane.

>>18859442
Morning nausea for me. I drink one of those salt packs and 4 glasses of water and it usually goes away pretty quick.

>>18859674
Actually fructose is metabolised differently from glucose and galactose. It basically bypasses brain/muscles and is turned into fat in the liver.

>>18860100
Pretty much. People are arguing in bad faith or on extreme assumptions and different definitions. If I eat a fatty steak, tons of veggies and bowl of fruits, occasionally some cheese and nuts I can still manage to be in ketosis or generally eating “keto” foods, but telling me this fresh less processed, varied and balanced diet is le bad is fucking absurd. On the other hand, if you’re eating in a reductionistic manner, not eating enough protein, eating a stick of butter or drinking oil to only meet macros, you’re gonna be lacking nutrients. Personally I eat below eat below 50-60g of carbs a day or foods that’s below 10-20% carbs in calories, but if I eat out I treat it as a cheat day. No fuss, no issues. I don’t get these “keto” hate boners, why not hate on the food pyramid, detox, or low fat diet

>>18861645
Food pyramid is actually good. People hate it because they misunderstand it. Keto is inherently flawed.

>>18861652
Post your body

I had only one side effect.

Horrendous leg cramps. It felt like my legs had been battered a few days ago, like there was still some soreness lingering. Just enough to prevent me from falling asleep.

Upped electrolytes and I went away.

I don't get the hate at all. I'm losing weight faster then when I was solely doing CICO.

>>18859568
>>18859581
your brain runs solely on glucose. your body will reluctantly turn protein into glucose to keep your brain alive

look up gluconeogenesis. alternatively, get an education

>>18860596
well chosen. although you should be aware that edible muscle tissue (meat) contain glycogens, which is a carbohydrate. your ratios are not unreasonable

>>18859442
The biggest issue is the decreased athleticism and shittier sleep. Sleep can be helped with fine tuning the diet with supplements but the lack of muscle glycogen will mess up any sport or gym stuff you do.

>>18861664
Lol retard. Food pyramid is based on starches. Starches are glucose. Glucose is protein sparing, increases test and boosts metabolism. Fat does nothing but gets deposited into fat. It does not boost hormones and only a tiny amount is needed.

>>18861299
peak goy

>>18861690
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnmol.2021.732120/full
Dunning Kruger faggot

>>18861693
Glucose doesn’t do any of that.
Fat is used the same way other calories are, but the dietary cholesterol has downstream positive effects on reproductive and hunger hormones.

I just realize I never mentioned, but my dick smells really good. It used to smell like nothing, or just nasty if dirty obviously. Do you suppose your dick gets keto breath too and that it can smell good? What the heck is going on. Not gay btw

>>18861682
of course its possible, that doesnt mean its good for you in the long run
wanna guess why we like sweet things? cuz sweet indicates glucose and glucose is good for you!

>>18861565
Right sure and sucrose (table sugar) is 50% glucose and 50% fructose. The most common form of HFCS found in soda and the like is 55% fructose.

>>18861565
If I recall only around 30% get directly metabolized into fat in the liver, but it’s not like everything is immediately stored and cannot be used. No one got fat eating tons of fruit, but if you only eat concentrated fructose far exceeding what you would encounter in foods it’s worse yeah

>>18861732
Except that you’re too fat and stupid to limit the amount of glucose you shove in your mouth. Restricting sugars for a while is a decent strategy to curve that craving to get to a better relationship with food. I went back to eating fruits and honey all the time after doing keto for about 8 months and I feel a lot better about eating and maintain low body fat year round.

>>18861221
Can you see through the walls yet?

>>18861727
Read a book on metabolism and hormones. Or studies. Or anything that isn't 4chan posts/online articles. But whatever, not my problem.

>>18860346
Fruit existed in the past you know

>>18861728 (me)
so no one else… just me? Maybe it’s not a keto thing then

The longest lived people in the world are Japanese and Italians, both of which eat a moderate amount of fish, a light about of red meats, lots of vegetables, but mostly carbs and all of which never to excess
But I think I will think I will instead follow the schitzo internet diet mode that my body has solely to digest my own muscle proteins in order to keep my brain alive. This is surely the best health solution

>>18861772
Keto gave me xray vision only after I cut my penis off, thanks keto!

All meme diets are retarded, just eat a bit from every food group in the same proportion, have small portions, and let yourself feel hunger for a few hours every day, drink only water or sugar free beverages, it's enough

>>18861906
Number 1 factor for longevity is genetics, eating a lot of fish for the omegas help but if you have genetics for a short life you can't do so much

>>18862268
genetics and an active and fulfilling social live are the most common correlations with longevity. Diet most definitely plays a major role too.

The Italians and Japanese elders who live super long tend to stay active, not necessarily through exercise but just by being productive, having hobbies, working, and generally interacting with friends or any people. They stay busy and have friends.

You may have also heard that drinking wine is correlated with a longer live, but this may truly be due to those wine drinkers being people who have an active social life and lots of friends who invite them parties where they drink the wine.

The diet aspect of both super old Italians and Japanese can be attributed to their diet being varied and diverse; they don't just eat fish and vegetables and carbs, they eat a variety of meats, fruits and vegetables, and grains, rather than eating the same few things most days. There's a saying in Japanese called "eat the rainbow" which means to try and have a diet consisting of foods that are multicolored like the rainbow. And it cannot be understated that them Japs and Italians LOVE their carbs. rice, bread, pasta, and whatnot. They're also not above desserts, mind you.

When trying to have a healthy diet, the key thing is a varied and diverse diet; not finding the "key superfood" that will supposedly make you healthy. Idiots who fall for fad diets always think there's some secret special ingredient that will heal them and make them healthy and cure all their ailments, and it's always stupid and never supported by science. It's such a reductive way of thinking of diet to think that the key to health is eating some specific food. So while fish is good, do not think of fish as the only thing that makes people healthy. Some fish can be plenty bad for you too anyway, so once again the real key is a diverse diet.

>>18862374 (me)
>There's a saying in Japanese called "eat the rainbow" which means to try and have a diet consisting of foods that are multicolored like the rainbow.
I should clarify in case some retard misinterprets this to think they need to find rainbow-colored foods. I meant that "eat the rainbow" means eating foods, each with their own different color, in such a way that if you eat enough foods of different colors you should ideally have enough colors of the rainbow. like carrots are orange, tomatoes are red, blueberries are blue/purple, lots of things are green, and so on.

>>18860556
>How fat is /ck/?
Im somewhere between skinnyfat and lean (barely)muscular. I started thinking about my diet and fitness and putting effort into it a few months ago. Im not "on" anything but I have been cutting down starch/sugar in my diet and increasing 2ndary animal products and meat. I defo feel and perform better the more animal poducts I consume but ive never gone a week where its more than 65% animal products, usually its 50% tho

>>18862568
>>18862570
exactly topkek

>>18862568
blessed pic

Isn't keto just meat and green veggies?

What's wrong with that? I'm thinking of trying the diet one day.

>>18859674
"popular scientific opinion"

Imagining caring about such bullshit in post-pandemic post-tranny 2023.

Low carb isn't a fad anyway. Maybe for normies. But bbers have done low carb diets to lose weight for decades.

Also most "healthy" carbs are garbage too. Fruit juices, bread (white especially but even whole wheat, pasteurized watered down milk and dairy products, white rice, etc.

You need Amish raw milk, raw honey, raw fruits, rye bread, and brown rice.

>>18861395
Meat, and protein both do not contain carbs retard :/

>>18862664
anon you have brain rot from the keto.

>>18859442
This anti-keto thread
>>18848304
And this anti-carb thread are both unreadable and densely packed with the most retarded, schizo bullshit I've ever seen in my life.

TL;DR stop it, get help.

Can't tell if that pic is true or not, but then again I avoid pork and red meat in keto.
Chicken and fish all day.

>>18862374
the small part of Italy to which the highest life expectancy is attributed does not consume a lot of pasta, but they do eat a lot of pork and fish. it's a diet that differs from the rest of the country and what most people consider to be "Italian food". your post is only half truths.

>>18859653
I accept your conession

>>18860346
>all this shit
Are you one of those creationists that deny evolution or something? Even assuming the pseudoscience you're regurgitating from some podcast is remotely true, humans from 100000 years ago are not the same as 20th-21st century humans.

>>18860649
>sugar is more calorie dense than meat

>>18860854
>I cut calories while on keto and lost weight but it was because of keto and not because I cut calories

Why are ketards so consistently retarded?

>>18862664
>reddit spacing

>>18863003
Your post is full bullshit.

>>18863431
fat ppl are lower IQ and ketotards are always lardasses

>>18860194

>>18859706
He said
>sugars are only bad in excess.
Which is what your post also said. Yet you insist on insisting that you disagree with him. Thus I suggest you heed his other advice:
>Stop getting diet advice from wine moms on twitter.

>>18859568
>we are not animals
>the midwit thinks humans are separate from nature

>>18861822
Show me an essential carbohydrate

>>18862374
>You may have also heard that drinking wine is correlated with a longer live
there is a study to be made that weights slight alcohol benefit vs alcohol damage.
It is a vasodialator and lowers blood pressure, which is a good thing. heart failure is present in all old people

>>18859674
>HFCS is no more dangerous than other forms of simple sugars
t. coping fatoid

>>18863693
>it is le bad because le scary name

>>18861690
>meat contains carbohydrates
Shut the fuck up, retard

>>18859442
>do keto
>replace your diet with sneed oils
you're doing it wrong, fatty

>>18862374 (me)
and i forgot to mention that any diet that is rich in fruit and vegetables is a very good diet that definitely helps you live longer, and the Japs and Italians both eat lots of fruits and vegetables. If there's one thing fruits and vegetables are good for it's the fiber, and scientists and experts all agree that everybody should eat more fiber.

>>18859442
I know a guy who started having bacon for every meal and calling it keto and then had a heart attack. Now he has mcdonalds and a chocolate bar for breakfast and dairy queen for lunch and claims he can burn it all off with exercise. he has gotten even fatter

>>18859442
People thinks keto = eat as much meat as you want
No it's not.

>>18859442
I got keto rash last time I tried it.

I can't imagine putting my health in the hands of 4channers and their dietary advice, and neither should you.

>>18861757
raw honey + meat + raw milk
+ eggs is all you need to subsist. Sweet stuff helps your liver work all that fat, think of it as a fire starter.

Friend of mine said he started to have keto diet two weeks ago. He is vegan too already. Should I be worried?

>>18859442
Keto is okay in temporary periods, although imo fasting and a low carb diet is better.
Most complaints I experienced involved my body not getting enough protein. If youre doing a hard 90% fat keto, the amount of exercise needed to burn off the calories so that one can eat a reasonable amount of protein is disappointing. This is worse if you are some fat, lazy pleb who had just learned that " they can eat burgers, cheese, and bacon all day and still lose weight". A 70% fat keto lasting a month or two is a bit more reasonable. That way you don't have to worry about long term hair loss or muscle degradation. Keto flu isn't a problem if you are strict and don't cheat.
But at that point you may as well just do Omad with a high protein diet, only eating carbs as absolutely necessary.
My side effects were mild once I got past keto flu. However I noticed that my sweat and body odor smelled like vinegar, I had vivid dreams and nightmares, and random mood swings. Also had extreme cravings for sweets and carbs, even when completely stuffed.

>>18860556
Im built like a bulldog, and I got that powerlifter physique. I look like the special ed downie man in the gym trying to max out his retard strength. i easy put on pounds, both fat and muscle; and on top of that I have a voracious appetite. The moment I become too old to work out I'm going to balloon and get myself
on that TCL tv show for fat people.

>>18861510
I have prolonged QT syndrome. I've been a QT for way too long.

>>18861822
You proved nothing and conceded

>>18860556
pacific islander?

>>18861452
Cindy Furlough

>>18860152
Your brain is fat retard

>>18859442
So many anti keto shills these days. (((They)))fear the meat eater

>>18859698
everything in moderation except seed oils, seeds and vegetable part of plants

Hairloss and the strong smell are usually the most obvious side effects of keto.

>spam, eggs and pickles are my favorite foods
>eat them every day
>constantly in ketosis without trying

>>18863693
Actually he sounds like a skinnyfag. Everyone else ITT fatties coping hard with "THING=BAD"

>>18861134
>a low carb low fat diet and you would die in a month
*eats protein*

Now what, faggot?

>>18859442
I did strict keto for 6 months and had literally none of these (always have trouble sleeping, so that wasn't a side effect).

Even now I still do keto to some degree and have none of those, and if you're constipated with keto, have more fucking fibre.

>>18863275
they fucking are

>>18866725
>strong smell
this
my coworker started keto and now the whole office smells like bologna.. disgusting

>>18859442
>guys I'm totally not a seething tranny and I didnt put oil in my own toilet so I can make an epic post on da 4chins to own those keto poo poo heads

>>18859661
>telling anons what to do
yikes on bikes my man

feeling great
losing weight
saving money
making fun recipes
:)

>>18859442
>doing any kind of diet where you have physical side effects and thinking its normal

You become scared of a macro and deprive yourself of it resorting to frankenfood "keto" "replacements"

Does intermittent fasting cause any of this stuff too or is it safe?

>>18864359
Yes, it is. If you have to control your portions, you're not on proper keto. The first thing keto unfucks is your satiety signaling, long before it normalizes blood sugar. This is achieved, because carbs completely mess your satiety signaling up and due to the fact that fat produces the strongest lwptin response. No carbs plus most energy obtained in the form of fat means you can eat until complete satiation. I eat mostly fatty meat until I can't take another bite and I'm getting leaner by the day just from doing lazy resistance band training lmao.

>>18868290
Fasting has it's own problems, but greasy piss is not one of them. I'm fasting right now and about half my thoughts are just about what I want to eat.

>>18862568
You can't create a deficit of something that does not exist.

>>18859442
if you have diabetes or something and go on keto it kills you. was in the hospital for my grandfather and the family next to us lost their 18 year old because he went on keto and apparently didn't know he had diabetes, shit was sad

>>18868496
Only way keto can kill you is if you're diabetic and are taking insulin which leads to a double whammy and you die from hypoglycemia. This is why diabetics who go on keto have to carefully monitor their blood glucose levels and gradually reduce their med dosage to the point where the meds are no longer needed. If you eliminate carbs and pump yourself full of insulin you're going to die so fast you won't even notice.

What I'm trying to say is that there is precisely 0% chance that the guy didn't know he was diabetic. He was definitely taking meds and it was the meds that killed him.

>>18868518
good to know, i appreciate the fact check

>not eating carbs puts your body in a survival mode where you rapidly burn fat!!
Ketotards are so retarded its almost funny.
The idea behind low carb isnt so wrong, if you get rid of the shitty carbs but still eat better ones. Theres a major difference it what kind of carbs you consume (bread vs rice) and some of them are pretty much peasant's food that dont keep you saturated for too long meaning you will probably eat more than with fats. But your body will convert fats into carbs and the other way around no matter which one you consume so it doesnt really matter as long as you get all your vitamins, minerals and proteins and aim for a lower calorie intake than what you burn

>>18859442
I'm fit, so I have no reason to go on a keto diet.

>>18868543
>But your body will convert fats into carbs and the other way around no matter which one you consume so it doesnt really matter
Actually, it matters a whole lot.

Gluconeogenesis is a highly energy inefficient process. So yes, your body will produce glucose to maintain optimal levels, but this process is a massive net negative nergetically which leads to your increased BMR which leads to weight loss given an iso"""caloric""" diet.

Read this:
>High-protein diets have been shown to increase energy expenditure (EE).
>The objective was to study whether a high-protein, carbohydrate-free diet (H diet) increases gluconeogenesis and whether this can explain the increase in EE.
>H condition; 30%, 0%, and 70% of energy from protein, carbohydrate, and fat, respectively
>N condition; 12%, 55%, and 33% of energy from protein, carbohydrate, and fat, respectively
>EE (resting metabolic rate) was greater in the H condition than in the N condition
>The increase in EE was a function of the increase in gluconeogenesis
>The contribution of Δgluconeogenesis to ΔEE was 42%; the energy cost of gluconeogenesis was 33%
>The cost of gluconeogenesis was 33% of the energy content of the produced glucose.

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/90/3/519/4597025

>>18868543
The soyjak you posted is literally you

>>18868593
>The contribution of Δgluconeogenesis to ΔEE was 42%
This is the most fascinating part. Where does the other 58% of extra energy expenditure go?

>>18868593
>study by American institute on food
Thats like asking a monkey for warfare advice. After all, it was the US who went on a massive propaganda campain to make fats look shit and just produce overly cheap high carbs, low fats products. But producers obviously chose the worst and most disgustingly unhealthy shit like corn syrup simply because its the cheapest. You will still hear Americans say "but its low fat" defending some sugared yogurt.

>>18859674
>and simple sugars are only bad in excess.
yea, there is no bad food, there is no bad body weight, we live in lalaland

>>18868290
The only side effects I got from fasting are heartburn when my body was adjusting to my new eating schedule and occasional moments of low blood sugar if I had worked out at the end of my fasting window rather than after eating.
Once it became routine I felt completely normal.

>>18868543
Gluconeogenesis is a very inefficient process, ergo you burn lots more "calories" eating fat to convert into glucose than by just eating glucose. Basal metabolic rate being higher during fasting/ketosis isn't even a meme, it's very established.

>>18868593
>>18869855
>my meme diet defies thermodynamics!
CICO. It's that simple.

>>18869973
CICO is retarded. Calories are measured by combusting food in oxygen and measuring heat, but your body is not literally using oxygen to burn food. It's a complex process involving hormones called metabolism. There is no reason to believe that calories are even analogous to metabolism-derived energy and is in general just such an oversimplification of how digestion works to the point it has close to 0 value.

>>18869997
>CICO is retarded.
argue all you want, but it works

I'm not even trying to do keto these days but when my appetite is buried beneath nervous nausea (or whatever the hell sort of health problem I'm dealing with that's making me feel like puking for 30 mins once or twice a day), coffee, and adderall its far easier to force myself to swallow two or three egg yolks around lunch time than it is to figure out what I "want" to eat

I do love sugar though. I miss soda. Those Pepsi "Throwback" editions of their namesake and Mountain Dew are a delight. Also I fucking love milkshakes and can really appreciate a good baked good, dessert or otherwise

Also I understand why people can't agree whether sugar or ketones are "better" for "powering" the brain. I personally just have good days and bad days and NOTHING I can control seems to affect it at this point. I used to think I had problem foods/substances but at this point I realized I'm just better off making sure I get my macros and micros and when I feel like "enjoying" food I do just that regardless of how it might affect my mood or metal health

>>18859556
>Sources: trust me bro I totally read a bunch of papers

>>18859584
If you genuinely think that your kidneys can start passing oil, you might just be a fucking retard.

>>18859895
I actually had this happen to me.
When you end the diet, toast a slice of good sourdough then swipe on some salted butter. You might actually cry.

>>18869973
Lol. You don't know what "thermodynamics" are.

There is no such thing as a "calorie" in terms of human energy expenditure, because the human does not burn food and because our bodies are not a thermodynamically closed system since we are exchanging mass with the environment.

Due to this variable rate mass exchange that results in energy loss through loss of nutrients (piss, shit), you cannot correctly estimate the "calories out" part of your CICO nonsense.

By law, nutrition fact labels are not forced to be 100% accurate, because it's literally impossible. Nutrition fact label inaccuracy can be as high as 20% or higher BY LAW and much higher in practice. Also, the amount of chemical energy your body extracts from food is not the same amount of energy produced in the form of heat when that same food is burned in a calorimeter, because our bodies are not calorimeters lmao. This amount of chemical energy is vastly lower. These factors mean that you cannot properly estimate the "calories in" part of your nonsensical CICO equation.

The reason why CICO """works""" is because it grossly overestimates the "calories in" and underestimates the "calories out" so you end up literally starving yourself. This "works" short-term, but starvation reduces your basal metabolic rate (without even taking into account the change of muscle mass which affects BMR) with time which means that you need to eat less and less to sustain your weight loss. At some point, your BMR drops so low and you need to eat so little to sustain weight loss that you just can't go on psychologically and rebound into gorging yourself on food, resulting in rebound weight loss.

All of this is very well known by now and is the reason why statistically 95% of all diets fail. Because CICO bullshit never worked will never work long term.

>>18869973
>>18870931

The proper way to eat is to eat until you're comfortably full, i.e. rely on your satiety signaling instead of bullshit pseudo-scientific """calculations""" that are absolutely fucking wrong. The problem is that our satiety signaling is fucking annihilated by consuming goyslop and plantslop that contain shitloads of carbs and something even worse - a combination of carbs + fat.

It is exponentially easier to overeat on high carb or high carb + high fat foods, because they do not satiate you the same way lean protein and protein + fat do (fat too, but no one sane eats just fat by itself).

Part of why keto works amazingly for SUSTAINABLE, LIFELONG weight management without any calorie counting is because it eliminates these hyperpalatable food combinations: no high-carb and no high carb+fat. You only eat low/no carb + protein + high fat. You're not even supposed to eat lean protein on keto.

In other words, keto unfucks satiety signaling and allows you to eat to satiety safely without risk of overeating.

>>18870931
>rebound weight loss.
*weight gain

>>18859442
mm get some noodles in that broth

>>18870933
i dunno bro, i could definitely pig out on just steak and bone marrow, same way i could eat a shit ton of rice or potatoes

>>18870982
>i could definitely pig out on just steak and bone marrow
Define "pig out". Eating a lot of fatty meat and being satiated for the whole day? That's absolutely normal. Besides, your satiety signaling is probably still fucked from consuming goyslop.

> same way i could eat a shit ton of rice or potatoes
Not the same way, not even close, not even when you're a chronic goyslop consoomer. It's far easier to overeat on carbs regardless of what state you're in.

>>18859674
>HFCS is no more dangerous than other forms of simple sugars
it is

Why did people create fanfiction in their minds where people committing to a diet with the intent of improving their health is a bad thing. Like really what do they get out of typing the words?

Keto got popular few years back when jordan peterson, rogan, bunch of youtubers brought it to popular attention. They highlighted the positives with their personal experiences and studies and what you should avoid doing.

And all the way though theres people going "no never try to improve" coming up with whatever empty semantic arguments they could. Whats their end goal?

>>18860556
150 lbs, 5'11", I don't eat enough. I subsist on a diet of fast food, thai food (from the place I work, I make it myself so it's decently varied w/ plenty of veg and stuff), and beer. As John Michael Montgomery would say, that boy ain't nothin but beer and bones. I've subsisted on fast food for years at a time, I have been overweight before (180 lbs) but that was on the same diet as when I was 145, just eating more of the fast food. Basically, calorie intake. It doesn't define health, but it definitely defines weight.
I don't get why retards don't understand this. It's why you see skinny people with type 2 diabetes and shit like that. If you wanna lose weight, eat less!

>>18867111
So how's live being medically retarded?

>>18859556
I see you found a presentation on the citric acid cycle and swapped the title to the opposite process

>>18868474
Sounds profound but means nothing

>>18869997
Thats weird because it works every time

>>18870982
You having an eating disorder does not negate the fact that satiety exists and is a good measurement of when you need to stop eating

>>18859556
>compromised blood sugar levels
whoever made this chart is a retard. and I'm not even a ketofag.

>>18872332
>Thats weird because it works every time
*except 95% of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyrV7fGeYu8&ab_channel=Dr.StenEkberg

>>18859698
>So, have we reached full circle back to "everything in moderation = healthy"?
Yeah I'll just eat a moderate amount of toxic goyslop, that's definitely the high IQ diet right there

>>18872332
CICO is a useless truthism. The CO part is entirely dependent on your individual metabolism, so what works for one person won't work for another and there's no way to determine the ideal CI unless you specify it to an individual's metabolism. In other words, it's fucking useless in the way most people try to use it and why the internet is full of retarded comments like:
>hurrrr I'm 6 feet tall and eat 2500 calories a day and doing gain weight
>durrrr I'm 6 feet tall and eat 1500 calories a day and still gain weight

>>18872396
Yeah except
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1454084/

>>18872419
Cope as hard as you want, you can't ignore the facts: people are getting FATTER not LEANER despite the endless "eat less move more" propaganda. It doesn't work, it never worked and it'll never work, because it's false pseudoscientific retardbabble based on an inherently erroneous model that can neither estimate the amounts of energy consumed/expended nor take into account the hormonal response of food.

CICO is bullshit. Anyone who believes it is a fucking clown. Millions of obese people who rebounded on their weightloss journey are the proof.

>>18872438
The cope is unreal. Just admit you are wrong pal. I didnt read your babble

>100 million people study as proof
>"c-cope!"

Lmao.

>>18872458
>>18872419

>>18872458
>study
Haha see I'm right YouTube days so
>study disproving study
Doesnt matter your a clown and gay haha

Hmm, who should I trust? A real practicing physician who treats people with obesity and diabetes daily or some clown on the internet who believes in the toothfairy aka CICO.

Tough question.

>>18871042
>Keto got popular few years back when jordan peterson, rogan, bunch of youtubers brought it to popular attention.
anon, dont take health advice from shills chasing adbux

>>18871122
>If you wanna lose weight, eat less!
this

>>18872500
fatposts have a certain, unmistakable character to them

>>18859442
Hairloss

>>18872678
and also anaerobic exercise.

>>18859442
The Keto diet is for people with ketosis, which is when your body cannot produce fat and instead turns your food directly into your muscles, ligaments, tendons, bones, and skin.
>this usually happens after being poisoned, or being put through such a struggle that it permanently changed your metabolism

>>18872500
>a real practicing physician who gets paid to sell pharmaceuticals

>>18872500
Reminder, if you cure the disease you can no longer profit from the disease. Also, neither matter or energy can be created or destroyed, they can only changed from one form to another.

>eat less
>lose weight
>AKSHUALLY CICO is bullshit because the SCIENCE has passed a fatwah against it
kill ketoniggers

>>18873465
>>18873487
Retards spouting buzzwords.

>>18873497
>eat less
>lose weight
>BMR drops because you're starving
>now you have to eat even less to lose weight
>eat even less
>BMR keeps dropping
>need to eat even less to lose more weight
>can't eat less
>have a melty
>go on a binge
>regain all the lost weight and then some
>"CICO totally works guise!"

Reminder to all retarded goycattle: 95% of all diets fail and the overwhelming majority of those diets are CICO nonsense, because that's the official guideline. This is inarguable fact and no amount of coping will ever change this.

>>18873510
>lower CURRENT intake by 500 cal
>do not lower it again
homy shit that was so fuckibg hard. lmao what is that fucking fantasy scenario you just described. damn nigga you dumb. kill all ketoniggers.

>>18873510
>have a melty
>go on a binge
>regain all the lost weight and then some
yup, there's your problem

>>18873510
Name one (1) buzzword in either post.

>>18869973
Thermodynamics were never defied in my post. Why are you assuming that "calories" are always used by the body at a constant predictable rate?

>>18870933
>The proper way to eat is to eat until you're comfortably full
What if I told you that processed food has a low release of the hormone (leptin) that tells you that you feel full? A pot of gourmet quality ice cream doesn't make you feel full in the slightest despite its insane caloric content. Why not?

>>18871042
>Whats their end goal?
They do it for free.

Or if you want a real answer, they do it to protect their world view.

>>18859445
hair loss is almost a universal side effect, any change to the body can cause hair loss

I am addicted to carbs and will continue to eat them every day until I die at the young age of 84. This world is Hell.

>>18859741
you are what's wrong with society

>>18861221
>strict carnivore
>eggs, cheese
keto truly causes brain damage

>>18859442
Being called a retarded faggot on a Mongolian sheep herding website.

>>18859442
>sister swears by keto
>has not lost any weight
it's one thing to be low carb, but trying to stay in "ketogenesis" is retarded

>>18859653
lost the argument, sad

diet is a lot like workout, people will swear they have the newest or ancient secret formula or state of the art technique, but at the end of the day the simplest solution is still the best

>>18874144
Shawn Baker says it's OK so it's OK :)

>>18874863
you do need to exercise to build muscle which helps weight control

>>18872438
>Millions of obese people who rebounded on their weightloss journey are the proof.
You mean people who went back to not doing it?

>>18859442
I don't see the point of intentionally going into keto when I'm both fit and healthy. What does keto accomplish for me? Nothing.

>>18875322
Weight control, mood control, energy level control maybe.
you might have subdued autoimmune issues that you dont really register that are related to foods that keto will eliminate

>>18860101
this is almost exactly how I eat now.

Besides Potatoes, A good baked potato or sweet potato is great

this shit probably has short term benefits its not something you do for the rest of your life as they tell you

>>18875414
It depends
going for low carb in general is obviously good if you're trying to control weight and mood
Then theres the autoimmune issues many people suffer from, like dry skin, joint pain, etc. and to people with those issues low carbs diet might be a good solution.

>>18875191
>You mean people who went back to not doing it?
If they went back to not doing it, it doesn't work. People are not robots. If you can't sustain an eating pattern indefinitely, it doesn't work. Eating to satiety works indefinitely. Starving yourself by counting imaginary """calories""" that have precisely zero relevance to human metabolism cannot be sustained indefinitely and doesn't work. Which is why 95% of all CICO bullshit fails as proven by a 100 million people study.

>>18875414
>its not something you do for the rest of your life
Yes, you do. There's no reason not to. There are now people who have been on carnivore (which is keto taken to the extreme) for 20+ years and we know it's safe.

>>18873510
Except thats not how adaptive thermogenisis works at all

>>18875418
Actually decreasing carbs decreases the secretion of serotonin. Can be bad for people predisposed to mood disorders like depression.

>>18875563
Yes we know carnivore is healthy because of the Inuit who die very young and have abundant atherosclerosis.

>>18875634
Purified carbs with additives like msg being addictive leads to scenarios like someone eating hugely unhealthy meal, and is incapacitated as a result and having runny shits later.
You cant get same addictive pleasure seeking behavior if you're restricting yourself mostly to fats and meats.

>>18875699
Do you care to actually address the facts or just pivot into nonsense

>>18875703
What fact needs addressing?

>>18875629
Wrong.
>Consistent throughout many studies, calorie restriction induces a reduction in energy expenditure that is larger than the loss of metabolic mass, i.e. fat-free mass and fat mass, can explain.
>The observed reductions in EE may exceed the extent that would be explained by the reduction in body mass.
>This suggests that observed reductions in EE during CR are independent of a change in FFM and may be attributed to a decline in the metabolic rate per unit of mass or to a reduction in physical activity.
>attributed to a decline in the metabolic rate per unit of mass

Here's some more funny shit CICO clowns ignore:
>A decline in EE which is beyond what would be expected relative to the changes body mass (or composition) is termed metabolic adaptation.

And they state that the loss of BMR beyond the loss resulting from loss of fat-free-mass after 24 months was 9% in free-living conditions. Literally 10% of CICO clown metabolism went *poof*. And nobody knows where it went lmao.

>>18875629

But that's not the best part. The best part is this:
>Persistence of metabolic adaptation and weight regain
>In prospective observational cohorts, low metabolic rate adjusted for body mass has been shown to predict long-term weight regain
>The poor physiological defenses against weight regain may in part be explained by observations that metabolic adaptations are larger after weight loss and do not fully recover when weight is regained.
>do not fully recover when weight is regained

Basically, say goodbye to your metabolism forever lmao. Coincidentally, this was also proven empirically by the biggest loser studies that have shown that people who undergo especially drastic """caloric""" restriction get their metabolisms fucking annihilated and their BMR never recovers after which they regain the weight since they can't maintain indefinite CR.

And as a cherry on top:
>Long-term studies of CR on metabolic rate have demonstrated that metabolic adaptation persists long after the intervention. In a follow-up of the CALERIE participants, 54% of the weight lost during the intervention was regained after two years
Ahahaha.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9036397/

>>18875750
Alright buddy. Have a good one I guess.

>>18875637
Your sugar-addict ass wouldn't last a week in those conditions they live in lmao.

>>18875811
>>18875817
tl;dr

this applies to this entire thread. 264 posts plus this one. you're all a bunch of cunts and not only does nobody care what you think or what you say, it's actually in everyone's best interest to ignore everything every retard posts in this thread because it's all cancer and this is actually a containment thread for retards.

This thread = a strainer and everyone who has posted is a 1 mm or greater piece of retarded chaff who should really just shut up and stop spewing retarded opinionated shit as if they knew to any degree whatsoever what they were talking about.

Post your degree in nutrition or STFU you fucking cancerous pieces of retarded garbage.

>>18875811
>trying to disrobe something I didnt say
Your basal metabolic rate doesn't immediately shoot down to match the caloric restriction level you are currently on, if that were so then people could never lose weight. It is true that your basal metabolic Raye does slow to some extent, but maintaining a 500 calorie deficit for a week, will make you lose about a pound. If your theory was correct, a person eating only 1000 calories would then only use 1090 calories for the entirety of their bodily functions ad machinery, which just isn't true. A 9% reduction in metabolic rate after TWO YEARS isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to what you are insinuating. Dont even bother to reply since you are clearly obese and don't lift, which are the only people who push this narrative to try to cope with their inability to attain fitness because of their life choices. I'm not going to argue with you, none of your points disprove the fact that any object that produces work requires input and output energy, and this applies to the body. Caloric restriction works, has always worked, and has been demonstrated to work. You are massively coping

>>18875831
>retard got utterly annihilated
>resorts to a strawman

>Your basal metabolic rate doesn't immediately shoot down to match the caloric restriction level
Never said that it drops immediately. In fact, I said "BMR keeps dropping" which means a continuous process.

Your entire post is sheer cope. We know the following facts:

1. Starvation aka """caloric""" restriction results in permanent or extremely hard to reverse losses of BMR.

2. As your BMR decreases as a result of metabolic adaptation, your CR% decreases, assuming an isocaloric diet.

3. Eventually, after a certain individualized CR% is reached, your weightloss platoes. Note what I said: CR% i.e. caloric restriction. Look at where the curve platoes: 12% CR. This means that your weight loss platoes while you're STILL starving yourself, but now to a lesser % due to loss of mass and loss of BMR not associated with loss of mass. What happens if you reduce CR% to 0? You regain the weight.

All of this is know. All of this are facts proven by studies and by empirical real life evidence.

You know nothing and your opinions on the topic are worthless dogshit.

>>18875828
>degree in nutrition
Means you're a good goy regurgitating the lies big pharma is feeding you. Eat your 400g of carbs daily and take your insulin, goy, it's safe and effective.

>>18875819
I love the future of discussing with chat gdpt
its almost like they're real people

>>18875852
>take your insulin
anyone who has diabetes and has been prescribed insulin by a doctor should take their fucking insulin when needed

how fucking retarded are you? did you miss the part where I burned you and every faggoty retard in this thread when I asked you to show credentials or shut your retarded fucking gob?

soon this thread will die just due to post numbers and I can't wait. you people are the most frustratingly stupid and gay fucking faggots on the goddamn planet, on the entire internet.

go eat paint chips you fucking retard its good for you and cures your diseases

>>18875863
The only thing you burned was your dignity when you tried to oppose scientifically and empirically proven facts. Didn't read the rest of your drivel.

>>18875865
>asking for credentials is opposing scientific facts
this is the frustrating retardism I'm talking about

Stop it. Get help. I'm serious.

>asking for credentials in being a good goy to big pharma
Lol.

Educate yourself, son:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW-WQ4sHyJY&ab_channel=KenDBerryMD

Or are you going to deny their credentials?

>>18875876
I'm asking for any credentials. If you make a claim I want to see your fucking degree.

You don't have one. It's because you're a retard who likes to talk shit out of your ass on the internet and post youtube videos as some sort of "gotcha" just because the janitors here are kind enough to let you keep shitposting retarded bullshit.

It's pathetic. It's sad. You're beyond stupid, just like everyone in this thread. I know that once this thread hits it's limit, you're going to make a new one and keep shitposting despite the fact that you have no education and can't provide any credentials. That doesn't stop you because retarded faggots like you just don't realize that not only do you not know what you're talking about, nobody on the entire planet agrees with you or backs you up. You just spew retarded shit non-stop and ignore all responses because you're some sort of schizo post-wanker who gets off on one-sided posting retardism.

You're fat, stupid, ugly, bald, and incorrect about everything. Things will only start improving when you stop being a retard in denial, gain humilty, and just leave everyone else alone. I don't have much faith that you're capable of those simple things. We will continue to mock you externally both on here and in real life.

>CICO clown still coping

Didn't read lmao. DR. Ken Berry aka a physician who treats people with diabetes and obesity daily > your worthless drivel.

Have fun being wrong and irrelevant.

>>18875891
Sorry you got btfo'd so hard maybe don't make this thread again you little bitch.

People who need help can get help from people who are qualified to help them. They don't need you, you're not a hero, you're a tool. If you want to be that guy who helps other people, go to school, learn some shit, get a degree. Don't just be a fucking retard who points at other people you secretly admire. You don't speak for them.

>CICO clown STILL coping

Lmao.

No one is here to help you. I am here to laugh at your retardation and tell you you're wrong and retarded.

Nothing more.

>>18875900
cope, seethe, dialate

go home, fuck off stop pretending.

you basically just admitted you're a troll who knows nothing and is here to mock others

the funny thing is that nobody believes any of that shit and everyone likely thinks you're a fat retard

>>18875900
>CICO
I don't even know what that is.

Get help. You're mentally ill. Stop shitposting.

>>18875900
>280 replies
you're reason for not killing yourself is only 20 posts away from the limit...

19 now.

ITT: the CICO clown thinks he knows more than:

1. A certified family physician who treats overweight patients:
https://www.youtube.com/@KenDBerryMD/search?query=calorie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMzLXGKNaVg&ab_channel=KenDBerryMD

2. A certified and at this point world-renown nephrologist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nt6KAUvedI&ab_channel=JasonFung

3. A certified bariatric surgeon who cuts up obese people for a living:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-1TwkzsAls&ab_channel=Dr.Cywesthe%23CarbAddictionDoc

4. Practicing physician and a former Olympic athlete:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XEE-8LyHwo&ab_channel=Dr.StenEkberg

Of course, the CICO clown knows better than all of these people. He also knows better than the multitude of studies saying that these people are right.

CICO? More like El Circo lmao

>>18875900
I am not even going to give up at this point. You are clearly a mentally ill retard who has one side on some stupid debate that I don't give a shit about.

I'm not the other side of that debate. I don't even know what you're arguing about. I have nothing to do with it. I'm tired of seeing this stupid fucking thread get bumped by stupid fucking assholes, none of whom on either side have any fucking clue what they're talking about.

Ya'll ain't doctors, scientists or experts in this thread. Stop pretending. This shit is annoying. If you think you have some important high level information to spread, make sure you can cite resources and credentials otherwise not one person should take any of you retards seriously, and nobody does. If you think anyone is taking any posts in this thread seriously, you're fucking delusional.

This is a containment thread, and it's almost at the limit. I wish you all would fuck off.

>>18875932
>I am not even going to give up at this point.
Of course, you won't. You're addicted to getting humiliated just as much as you are addicted to sugar.

>I'm not the other side of that debate.
of course you're not, you're just a lolcow for me to laugh at since you are incapable of debate as that would require a brain.

Your verbal diarrhea (which I didn't read, by the way) is irrelevant in the face of the studies i've quoted and the expert opinions I've presented: expert opinions who are not associated with big pharma and don't suck its cock.

>>18875926
tl;dr did you post your credentials yet? you have none?

yeah I know. you are one sad fucker. I don't think you understand how shit works. credentials first, and then I'll listen to anything you have to say.

without credentials you're just another kookoo internet retard with schizophrenia (this seems like most likely case)

>>18875941
this mentally ill retard still thinks they are debating anyone

you have to earn your way onto the stage of a debate.

post credentials or stfu

>the CICO clown is denying credentials of physicians, athletes, surgeons and scientist

It's OK, retard. No one takes your drivel seriously anyway. No one even reads it lmao.

>this mentally ill retard still thinks they are debating anyone
True! Why do you think you're debating anyone? You're incapable of debate, you're only capable of getting laughed at which is precisely what is happening right now lmao

>>18875949
Imagine being this mentally ill...

You don't have a degree in nutrition? That means you're a retard talking out of your ass. Feel free to post your credentials at any time. I don't feel like wasting my time investigating your retarded shit.

Normies don't get to pretend to be experts. That's you, normie. Get over yourself and get some help.

>the CICO clown is still ignoring the credentials of quoted physicians
>the CICO clown is still sucking pharma cock
Lol.

>>18875949
>>18875953
Hey everyone! This guy watches youtube videos! That means he really knows what he's talking about!

Do you think anyone believes that? Do you even understand the level of cringe you're operating under?

I still have no fucking clue which side of what debate you're even trying to argue. Are you pro carbs or keto? I could not give less of a shit.

Nothing you have posted at any point is convincing because you're just some cringey fucking dude.

>>18875963
The funniest and most telling factor is, despite the fact that I am not even arguing any side whatsoever, just telling you that you're annoying and cringe, even if I straight up told you "hey bro you're completely right and you win in every way" you'd still recreate this stupid fucking thread to argue with people, pigeonhole them in some way to try and feel superior because thats how you're stupid fucking autism works

you still haven't figured out that at no point have I argued against any point you've tried to make. You're addicted to being a dickhead. I bet you get a little 3 inch boner from convincing yourself that you dominated someone else in the only media in which your twisted brain can be convinced that you are dominant... talking shit in stupid meaningless low-stakes threads on 4chan.

congratulations

>>18859665
>Not high quality bread and other traditional foods.
Because paying more money for something changes the chemical structure of it.
Carbs fuck with your blood sugar and leave you in an ugly feedback loop. You should be getting almost no calories from carbs, mostly from fat and then protein.

>>18875979
I feel bad for being so harsh, but I'm not even talking about this retard. Everyone who participated in this thread is an asshole.

Just continually watching it get bumped and partially reading the cringe as fuck shit that people keep posting here, until post limit is reached, has tilted me so goddamn much that I don't care anymore and I have no more filter. You're all stupid pieces of shit who really need to learn to hold your tongue.

I know the stakes here on 4chan.org/ck/ are really low. You should not get used to it, in real life nobody is going to put up with your retarded shit, and I mean everyone in here. Both sides of the argument. It's all cancer, you're all retards, and you all need to get help.

Life is sad. Don't forget that it's also real.

>>18875863
>anyone who has diabetes and has been prescribed insulin by a doctor should take their fucking insulin when needed
Prescribing insulin to a diabetic is like prescribing alcohol to an alcoholic.

>>18859442

>>18876051
oh ok. people should stop listening to their doctors and start listening to you, a retard on 4chan/ck/

did you have any other magic advice that is almost assuredly terrible and dangerous, or potentially deadly?

>>18876056
Bot.

>>18876060
This is #300 hopefully this cancer thread dies now.

You deserve to go to whichever hell you believe in, that's how much of a piece of shit you are.

>>18860101
yeah most of the time I get some meat like a chicken leg or whatever else is not so expensive right now, add a fuckload of carrots and onions, dump it all into the oven and eat that.
its basic, cheap, fast and good.

>>18876064
Cripes, does it never end? What is the limit of retardedness?

>>18876074
I dont know what kind of schizo food cult you subscribe to but I'm not interested.

>>18875968
>Doctor
:O
>Doctor in a youtube video
:/

I know you're an obvious troll but people really do think like you.

>>18876074
There will never be help for these mentally ill retards. There is no winning argument, there is nothing other than stupid, autistic morons who fell for a troll thread to the tune of 300+ you's and not one person is based or correct or anything other than an asshole.

hiding thread fuck you mentally ill cunts this isn't the way

>>18859568
>we are not animals.
dude you need to take basic biology again. We are different than other animals but we are definitely animals.

>>18874866
Nah I'm (always, 100%) right.

>>18859442
>oil in piss
i never thought this was possible

>>18872438
>people are getting FATTER not LEANER despite the endless "eat less move more" propaganda
Because no one is actually eating less and moving more. 90% of people who get on diets cheat eating crap food every day and often miss on their exercise routine

>>18870933
Keto has too many bad side effects to be taken seriously

>>18871008
>meme words salad
Disregarded, keto fucked up your brain

my grandma told me to eat less and move more.
there were no overweight WW2 survivors who saw action and were starved. and they most definitely didnt have the privilege to indulge on a mostly fat/protein based diet either.

>18872400
Kill yourself retard
You won't even get a (You)

when you see normal weight people eat its never keto desu.

>>18875380
I don't have any of those, I'm pretty healthy in body and mind

>>18876096
It can happen when free fatty acid concentrations in the blood get so high that your kidneys start giving a fuck about it.

>>18876055
I absolutely hate that stupid faggot on the right.

>>18875926
damn ketofags really are schizos huh

why on earth are you people getting health advice from 4chan

>>18876999
Statistically less likely to kill you than advice from your doctor.

>>18877045
Statistically speaking, does that include all the times anons are told to go kill themselves?

>>18875984
What are you, crazy?

>>18875984
You don't get any "calories" from anything since your body doesn't burn its fuel. So little about how the human body works is known that it's comical people even talk about shit like this.

>>18859653
You lose ketoschizo