/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>18848304
Onions and cabbage are both high in carbs (sugars and starches).
You might have leaky gut or another symptom from your unhealthy lifestyle that causes great discomfort whenever you eat wheat-based products

>>18848304
they have different effects on your blood sugar

>>18848313
There isn't half the carbohydrate concentration per unit mass in onions compared with pasta and cabbage is half again compared to onions. Not to mention you don't eat nearly as much of them anyways because they're a side dish to the beef instead of the main bulk of the meal. How about you reach around and shove your disingenuous little comments up your ass instead of wasting electricity posting them on the internet?

>>18848304
It sounds like you're diabetic, which is especially likely if you're eating pounds of ground beef every day

>>18848355
You dont get diabetes from eating meat. You get diabetes from the things often eaten with meat. Potatoes, bread, sweet sauces, sugary sodas. Meat itself is the ultimate health food.

>>18848341
Ok so there's carbs in cabbage an onions so it's not carbs destroying (You)r feeble GI tract. Glad we agree

>>18848304
Don't care, still eating 1/4 loaf of bread a day.

carbs aren't poison
not bumping your shitty thread

>>18848463
>dose doesn't matter
Nigger.

>>18848472
But they are.

The secret to carbs is eating them with a load of fat. I had nothing but a jar hazelnut creme today and feel great. Because it's FULL OF FAT.

>>18848304
Because your body uses two types of energy.
Fat or sugar.
Ideally, you're supposed to function on a mostly grass fed meat diet. The fat from that is actually good for you. High in omega 3's (not 6's).
When you eat bread, pasta, etc your body converts it to sugar. Sugar is not good for you. It's a processed aftermarket food that's going to spike your insulin, create diabetes, etc.

The food world changed astronautically in the last coupe centuries. Return to monke. You'll cure a lot of your bodily issues.

>>18848341
>How about you reach around and shove your disingenuous little comments up your ass instead of wasting electricity posting them on the internet?
Fuck off faggot, you phrased your question as "how come eating nearly 100% flour is worse than a balance of protein, fat, and carbs?" and you should feel bad for needing to ask that.

>>18848481
See you in 3 days.

>>18848453
>You dont get diabetes from eating meat.
Yeah you do
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26615402/

>>18848906
>It's a processed aftermarket food that's going to spike your insulin, create diabetes
Explain scientifically what "spikes your insulin" means and how it "creates diabetes"

>>18848999
Sugar. That's what spikes your insulin.
Your body turns bread, carbs, spaghetti, etc... into sugar.

Do I have to explain how sugar causes diabetes too?

>>18849024
What is "spikes your insulin" in scientific terms?
>Do I have to explain how sugar causes diabetes too?
Yes, with relevant biomechanical studies as sources

>>18848906
>your body uses two types of energy.
>Fat or sugar.
It can use protein and alcohol too. Alcohol preferentially; your liver likes dealing with it more than sugar and fat. Protein as last resort; it's not good for your kidneys to do that too much.
For most people most of the time, a balanced diet of moderate size is best. It doesn't have to be the same thing every day; variation is a good thing.

>>18849056
Spikes in insulin is what happens when your body takes in high levels of sugar.
Insulin is a hormone produced in the pancreas which regulates the amount of glucose in the bloodstream.
When your insulin spikes over and over again, year after year, you slowly weaken it to the point where it can cause heart problems, kidney problems, eyesight problems, nerve issues, etc.

Look, worst case scenario, try it.
Carbs are still kinda necessary bec you're going to have to consume a lot of meat/fruits/veggies to meat your calorie count, especially if you're working out.

>>18849086
I'll take it to the next level (warning).
Humans used to live off the ether.
Eating wasn't really a thing.
When we slowly started to learn to hate...
That's when our energy consumption had to change.
That's when we started eating animals.
Killing God's creation, just to survive, even though it'll never be a 1 to 1 ratio.
We're always behind so we're always consumers.
That's why fasting only heals you and has been a technique throughout all of recorded history.
The food you eat gives you energy, but also takes a toll on your body.
Accumulated tolls will obviously ruin you.
Since we have to eat food, at least do the best you can.
And no, it's not bad for your kidneys.
The food you chose to eat or the doctors you chose to listen to is what's bad for you.
Eating the right things can't be bad unless you're eating bad. Simple logic.

Eat grass fed beef. Specifically grass fed beef liver. Chicken is chalked with hormones and antibiotics. Wild caught fish is great but smaller fish if possible and not too often bec of mercury.
Eggs are fucking great. One of the most complete complex foods ever.

>>18849099
What is "spike" supposed to mean? You mean when your body produces insulin like it's supposed to do? What's "spiky" about it? That's how your body works.

>>18848464
based

>>18849175
Like when there is a large increase on the y axis over a small section of the x axis, followed by a quick return to a baseline level over a similarly short section of the x axis. It creates a spike on the graph.

>>18849237
What constitutes large? Any release of insulin could be described as a "spike" if you wanted to, but it doesn't necessarily mean anything in a medical sense. You eat food and your body digests it. It's supposed to do that.

>carblets can't eat a baguette
Not me, I enjoy life.

>>18848481
based paracelsus respecter

is
>I FEEL LIKE I HAVE SO MUCH ENERGY
the biggest meme phrase around. you see people use it for shit like
>muh healing crystals
>muh coffee enemas
>muh essential oils
>muh drinking my own urine
humans have been doing the stupidest shit for literally since the dawn of recorded history, if there was some magic diet that magically cured everything that was wrong with you by doing random ass shit we would have figured it out by now

>>18848304
>a plate of pasta
Just like the protein from your beef is not the same as the protein from tofu, the carbs from your pasta are not the same as carbs from healthy sources. You feel like shit after eating pasta because of the wheat, not the carbs.

It's the peak of npc retardation to generalize your deep realization that highly processed corn syrup is bad for you into thinking that all carbs are bad for you. No society at any point in recorded human history has avoided carbs.

>>18848453
You get diabetes from either a high fat diet, or a diet that regularly combines fats and carbs.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randle_cycle
Carbs eaten without any fat will reverse insulin resistance. This can be as extreme as feeding someone 85% of their calories as pure dextrose, which has been proven to literally reverse diabetes.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/5319129
>in normal persons and subjects with mild diabetes there was an improvement in diabetic control as measured by fasting glucose levels and glucose tolerance, on the dietary extreme of 85% of the calories supplied as the simple sugar dextrose.

>>18848906
>fruit and honey are processed aftermarket foods
are you absolutely sure about that?

>>18849405
>if there was some magic diet that magically cured everything that was wrong with you by doing random ass shit we would have figured it out by now
This 100%. They really think that people living thousands of years ago could manage to figure out the most intricate and niche uses for medicinal plants and herbs but somehow no one ever figured out that carbs are poison? Come on.

you post health advice on internetz, you post a pic of your bod
simple as

>>18848355
Eating too much red meat and charcuterie gives you digestive tract cancer, red meat once a week at most

>>18848906
>mostly grass fed meat diet
Why do most people who eat that much meat get colon cancer at 40 then?

>>18849128
Kill yourself, what a retarded post

>>18849271
>what constitutes large
uh, more than usual? a lot more than usual? twice as much as usual? uhhh, three times as much as usual? maybe four? i mean five would be pushing it....

>>18849128
gay ass shit you typed, except the fish, eggs, and grass fed cow anything.

>>18849518
I exercise solely to be able to do this one day. It's very motivational to think of mogging strangers who post dumb opinions about insulin.

>>18848304
LOL this reminds me of the equally as retarded Pro-Carbs thread from yesterday where OP clearly had some sort of glycemia issue and was blaming the symptoms on a low-carb diet.

Not that I think you will, or could afford it, you batshit fucker, but go see a doctor. There is something wrong with you if you get exhausted from eating a plate of pasta, not something wrong with the pasta.

>>18848744
>The secret to carbs is eating them with a load of fat
That's literally how you get the 'beetus.

>>18849099
>Carbs are still kinda necessary bec you're going to have to consume a lot of meat/fruits/veggies to meat your calorie count, especially if you're working out.
There are people who have been eating purely carnivore even when exercising. Its not that hard, just eat more fatty meat like bacon and you'll get the calories in very easily.

>>18849271
carbs in poop out right? No actual understanding on how compounds are broken up and digested, or understanding of how the organs in your body work. Please take insulin straight from the vial and inject it please.

>>18850631
As always, in moderation. My cravings for carbs are satisfied for a week or more now.

>>18848329
this, meat gives you a steadier blood sugar than carbs do.

>>18850569
well shit im gonna get cancer kek. I eat red meat sometimes 7 times a week. i don't eat cold cuts that often though

>>18848304
Its because you live a sedentary lifestyle, either a NEET or work some desk job, with little to no exercise. Carbs give you faster, usable energy compared to protein, which takes longer to metabolize, that slow burn of protein feels better but if you actually got off your fatass on a regular basis, a plate of pasta wouldnt make you feel lethargic.

>>18848304
Onions are high in T

>>18850569
My grandpa ate a steak for breakfast and dinner every day of his life and he lived to 93 no cancer.
This is vegan propaganda. Meat of any kind is the healthiest thing humans can eat.

>>18848906
>astronautically
4 replies and no one caught this lol

>>18851654
No he didn't.

>>18848304
feeling sleepy =/= being poisoned

>>18851665
Yeah he did I watched him do it for years, was healthy as an ox still riding around on a motorcycle until his 80's. Never even lost his hair. He also ate a natural diet almost nothing processed just fresh veggies and lots of meat.

>>18850575
They don't, I'm 40 no cancer I haven't gone a day without meat since I can remember. And not even "healthy" meat like fish and chicken breasts. I chow down on sausages, pork, beef, chorizo, chicken thighs and other fatty cuts.

>>18848982
Nah. Keep on seething, though.

>>18849518
cute :)

>>18848304
Pasta is shit. It's probably something they process it with.
Do you have the same issues with bread or rice?

>>18852778
Yep bread, rice, potatoes, even non wheat noodles

>>18850581
What's baseline for "usual" after a meal? Any amount above fasting levels of insulin is a deadly SPIKE?

>>18850569
Actual retard

>>18850569
dude that reads one paid study by Big Veganism who hyper-inflates and replicates results more times than a PCR test looking for signs of infection, thinks he's going to catch cancer from one of the most simple, unprocessed, clean food source on earth.

Listen faggot. Red meat is not even a drop of water in the ocean of carcinogenic soup we are all currently floating in right now.
Telling people to cut out one of the highest health cost-benefit food just on the off chance like 1 guy out of 500 000 will get cancer from it is fucking ridiculous.
The odds of us dying from environmental pollution are actually much much higher.

It's simple...Odds of catching diseases are almost 99% genetic. Just look into your family history and you will know what will most likely get ya.
Is cancer from red meat something that took out men in your family? I guess it might be in the cards for ya.

In my family it's ACL injuries. My grandpa even fucking died from complications from it. My brother had a full reconstructive patella surgery at like 22. The knees in my family are weak. For the women it's dementia and diabetes (if they blow up).
Anyways. You should know what's coming to get you. Just look at the shit that's hurting your dad and mom right now, and set yourself straight boy.
I see my dad has neck problems, heavy drinker, gout, joint pains and shit and the older I grow the more I start to sense some of these genetic weaknesses showing.
I'm doing my part to fucking swim against the current but it's in the cards for me I guess.

It's not rocket science it's literally the first thing a new doctor asks you. What is your family history? What got the dudes in your family?

>>18848304
Kek pathetic healthlet

>>18848313
>Onions and cabbage are both high in carbs (sugars and starches).
They aren't. You don't eat a lot of onions and cabbage is like 99% water lmao

>>18850992
And then gives you colon cancer

>>18854380
>The odds of us dying from environmental pollution are actually much much higher.
Thats a flat out lie.

>>18848993
>Methods:Overweight/obese adults with normal glucose tolerance consumed a control diet (35 % fat/12 % saturated fat/47 % carbohydrate) for 10 days, followed by...

Absolute retard

>>18848304
>anon has diabetes
>blames the existence of carbohydrates for his mental issues

>>18849405
I can see it being legit for coffee enemas. You're going to soak up that caffeine somehow.

>>18848304
>Carbohydrates create glycogen, which is required for resistance training, according to a study in the Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition (JISSN). So, if you want to have the energy you need to do the intense workouts that will build muscle, you need carbohydrates. An athlete's diet needs to be full of carbs for this reason.

Because you consumed a metric fuck-ton of heavy but energy-providing food (carbs) and then sat down to post on a Vietnamese basket weaving forum instead of doing any sort of physical activity, you fat fuck.

>Ctrl-F
>Bromine / Bromide
>0 results found

Most commercial flour/wheat/dough today is using bromated compounds instead of iodated compounds. Bromine will make you tired since it's competitive with iodine and iodine has usage in all sorts of cellular membrane transport systems as well as hormones.

>>18850569
kek according to whom?

>>18854389
True and based.

>>18856475
And the body is perfectly adept at converting fat/protein into glycogen via gluconeogenesis, meaning you don't need exogenous carbs

>>18848313
So you chose denial

>>18857503
>And the body is perfectly adept at converting fat/protein into glycogen via gluconeogenesis, meaning you don't need exogenous carbs
This.

The beauty of this is that this process is not energy efficient, so your basal metabolic rate increases and you literally start burning more energy by doing absolutely fucking nothing.

>>18848304
>muh feelings
You are a fucking Californian soccer mom with your bullshit.

>>18848453
>You get diabetes from the things often eaten with meat. Potatoes, bread, sweet sauces, sugary sodas.
No retard. Type-2 diabetes merely arises form two factors, fat around the pancreas and a genetic disposition for diabetes.

>>18857944
>Type-2 diabetes merely arises form two factors, fat around the pancreas and a genetic disposition for diabetes.
Lol. You have no clue what you're talking about and your opinions on the issue are worthless dogshit.

Your absolute fucking retardation has been empirically proven wrong a shitload of times: remove carbs from diet while keeping the same caloric intake and suddenly the diabetes evaporates.

Diabetes is caused directly by card consumption. Any claim to deviates from this is moronic and spouted by an utter fucking mongoloid. Like you lmao.

>>18854389
lmao fucking retard

>>18857962
I always thought diabetes was caused by eating too much carbs, but a guy earlier in the thread was claiming that diabetes evaporates if you feed people 85% pure dextrose. So what the fuck causes it then? Do scientists not actually know, and they've just been making shit up guessing this whole time?

>>18857962
>Diabetes is caused directly by card consumption
No.

>>18857962
All those childish insults prove that you are full of shit and have to attack the person instead of facts. Kill yourself my man.

>>18858070
Yes. You have no clue.

>>18858044
>So what the fuck causes it then?
Google Bart Kay and Randle Cycle. Diabetes is nothing but elevated blood glucose, nothing else. Elevated blood glucose is caused by consuming too much glucose or shit that gets turned into glucose.

And even if you don't get elevated blood glucose from eating some carbs (like fructose), it doesn't actually mean you're not getting your tissues glycated by those carbs, it just means the test used is incapable of picking the glycation up like in the case of fructose.

>>18858072
You know nothing. Your opinions are worthless and irrelevant. Carnivore, keto and low carb doctors all across the world are reversing diabetes by taking people off carbs and no amount of quackery or data """doctoring""" is going to change inarguable, empirical data.

Cope.

>>18848304
google carb loading

>>18848304
You have inferior genes.

>>18851672
I think the natural diet factors in far more than just eating meat. My great grandma lived til over 100 and she was never a big red meat eater; mostly ate turkey and chicken with occasional red meat and fish. But she almost never had anything that was ready to eat packaged

>>18858111
Stop shilling your stupid fucking retarded diet you reverse vegan. Keto and carnivore and vegan are all diets for mouthbreathers

>>18858199
my grampa ate red meat drank beer and smoked cigarettes every day and lived to be 101

>>18857503
>meaning you don't need exogenous carbs
It means you won't immediately run out of energy and die if you don't have carbs. It doesn't mean eliminating common carb-heavy foods from your diet will have no side effects, or that gluconeogenesis is itself free from side effects.

>>18858205
OK, retard. I accept your tearful concession.

>>18858252
>It doesn't mean eliminating common carb-heavy foods from your diet will have no side effects
The "side effect" is avoidance of glycation. Tell me how glycation is good, retard.

>gluconeogenesis is itself free from side effects.
The "side effect" of gluconeogenesis is an increase in BMR. Tell me how a higher BMR is bad, retard.

>>18858284
The side effect is increased chance of death, ketard, probably from stressing the fuck out of your liver.

>>18858291
>The side effect is increased chance of death
In your anal fantasies? Don't care about those.

>>18848304
>Please tell me again how carbs are not poison
They are, but goycattle will defend its right to slurp that delicious goyslop to the death.

All-meat niggers are more annoying than vegans
The Neolithic Revolution and rise of farming literally pruned all the meat-dependent hunters from the gene pool, you aren't a hypercarnivore chad you fucking fat American larpers
I can't wait for the day that meat becomes so expensive you faggots all bankrupt yourselves trying to eat it more than once a week. Meat should be eaten in small quantities simply because that's what was done for the past 10k years and more than that is an industrial abomination

dont eat wheat its 100 gluten and carbon hydrate

Take note, this >>18858658 is how a sugar addict talks.

yeah uh we shouldn't talk about biochemistry here let's stick with cool food pics

>>18859400
Refined sugar is for faggots but there's literally nothing wrong with eating a carrot or some peas.

>>18848313
False. They are "high" in starches for vegetables.

Bread literally spikes your blood sugar higher than eating pure granulated sugar.

Modern people don't need as many carbohydrates as our farmer ancestors unless they've got physical labor jobs but fiber and starch is the easiest delivery vehicle for the liver to bind waste into and send out the system

Bumping because ketoschizo proved yet again that he is a retard, publicly.

Honestly the biggest tell that carbs are sus is that your body preferentially burns glucose as an energy source over fat. It's almost as if your body is trying to get the glucose out of your system as quickly as it can.

>>18861403
The idea of fibre "binding" waste together is such a meme. People who eat zero fibre still have solid stools.

>CARBS BAD
God I am looking forward to when this wank is debunked in 7 years and I don't have to hear morons shouting it literally every time food is mentioned in conversation.

>>18862531
Carbs aren't bad in the same way a glass of wine isn't bad. People are eating 500g+ of highly processed carbs per day my guy.

>>18849457
>You get diabetes from either a high fat diet,
Nope

>>18850569
>ating too much red meat and charcuterie gives you digestive tract cancer, red meat once a week at most
I've got some bad news about the sun and the air. I hope you're committed enough to leave the house once a week at most and breath one day a week at most.

>>18848304
>eat a pound of beef fried with onions and cabbage
>Wide awake feeling 100% energized
what

I'm a ketard who avoids red meat (mostly eat chicken and fish, don't eat pork at all). Only carbs I eat are either ginger root, garlic, broccoli or I drink them in the form of alcoholic beverages cause wine has sugar.
How the FUCK do you feel energized for the whole day by eating meat? I feel normal, same energy level as always, but not ENERGIZED.

>>18858658
you're the biggest dumbass i've seen on /ck/ for a long time

>>18848355
no, that's how you cure diabetes.

>>18850569
>charcuterie
probably.
>red meat
no evidence.

>>18858658
Agreed, they are retarded

>>18860069
there's no harm in eating refined sugar. the harm comes from excess calories.

>>18862927
Emptying the gas tank isn't the same as a zero emissions vehicle

>>18862948
Wrong. Every calorie eaten from white sugar or oil displaces the opportunity you had to eat those calories from something nutrient dense

>>18849457
In the advanced parts of the world they heal diabetes with chromium and vanadium supplements because its caused by their deficiency in what is called nutritionally empty food. aka goyslop.

>>18863225
oh fuck off with your kike logic

>>18863244
I accept your concession

>>18863225
You dont actually need calories, you need the nutrients your body can make its own energy. Calories are a meme anyways.

>>18855174
I've heard that people who do have coffee enemas have a really hard time shitting once they stop doing it even if they continue to just drink coffee normally

>>18863267
Way to miss the point entirely

>>18863271
Anything that makes you defecate will cause dependence when done again and again.

>>18850998
This. If you aren't using up your glucose stores then you're feeling lethargic because your body is converting the excess carbohydrates into fat which is inherently an inefficient process. It's also why, very technically and on a small scale not enough to be truly effective, high carb diets are better for weight loss (technically preventing weight gain) over any other diet assuming equal calories.