/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>18690404
no its just easier to make wine and get drunk off that. it is only reasonable if your making brandy from cooking sherry

probably not.

>>18690404
Yes it is. 600 bucks got me 100k in booze.

Buying a still was the best investment I've ever made. It has paid for itself countless times. But I live in Ausfailia and have to pay 50 dollaroos for a bottle of piss.

>>18690449
Nice still bro. Did you build it yourself?

>>18690470
Yes.

>>18690449
explain more plz. is it easy? and what sort of booze? I like Bourbon. easy as in, simple directions. i want to make like 3 litres each time.

>>18690470
Jackson Crossflow condenser into a Liebig condenser. I can pot still or heavy condense in my copper stuffed 7ft. 93%ish.

>>18690404
at the rate prices are going up, i'd say definitely.

>>18690496
Well, that's actually what I generally make at a time. 3 "handles" of booze from 36 quarts. So, 13% into 40% every timeish. I make vodka, but if you want to get fancy, you need to output around 60% for flavour. So you end up with more. That takes time and it takes cuts. Look up "cuts" when distilling.

>>18690404
Easily.

I was 95% of the way getting my own setup, but I have a problem with the hooch and realized I'd ruin my life if I had unfettered access to cheap alcohol.

>>18690449
Can you show a photo of the entire machine

>>18690566
Some of it.

>>18690449
>>18690492
>>18690581

>>18690404

As an alcoholic, I assure you, it's cheaper to just buy your liquor at the store.

You go to distilling, you might blind yourself with methanol, or have a large fire.

Brewing and distilling are fun hobbies, but don't count on it to make a damn.

Just go buy your fifth, or handle and call it a day.

>>18690504
Did you build from a plan?

>>18690581
is Methenol something I should look out for, or is it a myth? Like its a no biggie or what?

>>18690531
3 handles from 36 quartz. How much sugar and water am I starting off with?

>>18690599
You have no sence of adventure anon.

>>18690404
The government has set the taxes to be right at the point where the cost of industrial production plus taxes is equal to the cost of hobby production, if you count your labor as free.

>>18690609
If you discard the first cup or so (for shots) it not a issue.

>>18690616
I've made a couple stills, and it was fun every time.

That said, you can seriously hurt yourself drinking home distilled alcohol if you don't know how to mix it.

how high is the danger of leaving methanol over

thats the only thing stopping me from having fun

>>18690628
great, thx, so first cup, like the heads, discarded

>>18690404
its cheaper to make alcohol but the quality is shit. best to make at home is beer

>>18690581
wow nice column. what kind of jacket is in there?

>>18690648
retard logic. no one hand wrings about the safety of homemade wine and beer.

>>18690749
nah, as someone who makes everything non-distilled, homemade fruit wines are the easiest to make at home
beer has a few more factors going on and if you want to really work with hops properly you need to be able to keep oxygen out of your beer from start to finish
meanwhile, you can jsut blend a bunch of berries, add 8 lbs of white sugar, generic ass wine yeast, a bit of pectin and then several months later you have some delicious shit

>>18690754
It's a jackson crossflow condenser feeding a standard liebig cooler. It's a simple drip system

>>18690775
Yeah that guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Make Birdwatchers sugar wash. Finishes out at 14% in 5 days. The literal cheapest booze you will ever make. Then distill.

>>18690404
if you want to fucking die

>>18690404
no just make wine or cider it's fool proof
>take fruit juice
>purge it with so2
>add yeast
>seal and wait
>get fruit wine
much less risk of going blind and much less involvement than making beer
the hardest part of the process is sourcing decent fruit juice assuming you don't want to press your own but then you need decent fruit

>>18690890
I should have clarified, fruit wines are the easiest thing to make at home that are palatable to people other than end stage alcoholics circling the drain of poverty

>>18690560
>I'd ruin my life if I had unfettered access to cheap alcohol.
That's exactly what I'm looking for

>>18690890
what happens if i dont distill and just drink it???

>>18690628
alright

:(

I wanted to buy a copper still but I have no idea where to get one or if it's legal here (Quebec) so i just make compound gin at home for now. Any recs? How is the learning curve on using it? What kind of equipment should I get other than the still?

>>18690956
you can pretend to be finnish alcoholic

>>18690956
it would be extremely painful

>>18690983
for you

>>18690925
It isn't really. Sugar wash tastes like perfect vodka. Anything to do with fruit is a giant hassle and has the added benefit of making a bunch of methanol. So dont. Just dont do that.

>>18690996
>Anything to do with fruit is a giant hassle
because you're too pea brained to seal it?
i honestly don't know how you can fuck it up unless you feel the need to open it up every day
you can make fruit wine with a plastic bucket and an air lock lid

>>18691018
Asshole. I've been making booze for over 20 years. Don't fucking talk to me about this shit. I'm saying using FRUIT is a pain in the ass compared to sugar. GET IT? God you fucking people are dumb as dogshit.

>>18691018
I'm the guy who made that fucking still over 20 years ago, you stupid stupid stupid fuck.

>>18690404
better than giving yourself autobrewery syndrome

FYI if you just want to get fucked up for as cheap as possible, you can buy some high gravity yeast and mix it with boiled rice. If you do it right you can have a near continuous supply of 20-25% abv rice wine for like $1 a gallon.

Some friends and I ran a side hustle in college making shitty alcohol for frats and sororities. We'd make high abv rice wine and mix it with gatoraid powder to make it palatable. It was horrifying but it got you trashed for pocket change and there wasn't much hangover because of the gatoraid powder.

>>18691069
Any asshole can make this shit. You people are such rookies.

https://birdwatchers.info/calculator/

>>18691069
>>18691072
so i can just make all this one in one jug?

>>18691072
if i follow the link you posted, it should be 20-25% abv?

>>18691069
it would be nice to be in a frat, but by the time i hit 19, i did all the fucking and partying and didnt really care. But it was depressing seeing all the other males that didnt do it yet and all the shit they do to get to be with girls.

>>18690609
I just wanted to add, that methanol also smells differently. You will know if it's in the first couple of mL by smell alone. After that just check the next couple of mL if they smell a bit off dump them. After that it should be alright but it doesn't hurt to check a third time.

ITT retards fight over their prison hooch recipes

>>18690404
You don't feel like putting that kind of effort into things so you don't. You're just either drinking or wanting more drink.

>>18691213
I can make 93% alcohol that tastes just a little of vanilla. So essentially, go fuck yourself until you do it yourself. You know fucking nothing.

>>18690761
It's a lot harder to poison yourself with homemade wine or beer than home-distilled alcohol

>>18691308
You stupid cunts couldn't poison yourself if you tried. This was a 1950's try at making people stop making their own booze. YOU CANT POISON YOURSELF. JFC, go look at the chemistry.

>>18690663
its not really that simple but thats the basic idea. the fact that you think its a myth worries me but its your eyes terpentine man.

>>18691314
People fuck up making jug hooch all the time, stilling it down and concentrating the methanol makes it worse.

>>18691748
Asshole, you can't generate methanol from ANYTHING other than fruit pectin. And even then you can't make it in concentrate. What cunt taught you anything?

>>18691748
are you still alive or just some stupid cunt?

>>18691751
Methanol and acetone are byproducts of corn fermentation. It's a very real concern if you don't know what you're doing with fermentation and aren't taking care with your cuts and runs.

>>18690404
Stop being an alcoholic. Nothing good will ever come of it, I speak from experience.

>>18690967
Shameless self bump

>>18691047
>>18691050
I've been making booze since you were in diapers son. We get it , you're a youngin and don't know nothing about no airlocks. giver up sone, 20 years ain't nothing.

>>18692428
There are places in the US you can buy shit. I don't know if it gets tracked up here. It's so fucking expensive though. If you can solder, make your own if you can. It'll cost about 500 bucks or so but you'll get a 4 inch unit that'll make good booze.

>>18692452
You stupid prick. I'm 51. Been doing this for decades. But I'm sure you "get it". Look up fruit pectin and methanol. God you people are so fucking dull.

>>18692452
In case you actually want to make booze.

https://birdwatchers.info/calculator/

>>18690440
This. Also safer since you're eventually going to be desperate enough for a drink to consider drinking a failed batch you've got lying around. At least with fermented drinks the worst thing thats going to happen is diarrhea.

>>18692464
listen chump I'd been doing it for decades when you were born. dont come into my thread talkin shit little boy.

>>18691072
>>18690890
Why the fuck does it have tomato paste? I have literally never heard anyone using that for homemade wine/kilju.

>>18692479
love you kids.

>>18692487
It's used to feed the yeast. There's no tomato flavour at the end. It's just to make the yeast grow. It really just takes 5 days to finish from 1.086sg down to .990. Like 14%ish alcohol. Tomato is just to feed the yeast.

>>18692517
>Tomato is just to feed the yeast
that's what the sugar is for. I think your birdwatcher guy has a loose screw.

>>18692532
Jesus Christ dude. You can't just feed yeast on sugar effectively. I honestly can't even talk to you people because you've never done this at all. Birdwatchers is the BEST recipe to make clean vodka out there. Go to homedistiller.org if you want to learn anything about this. Like talking to rocks on this site.

>>18692517
Why not just use yeast nutrients or literally anything else than tomato paste? It just seems weird.

>>18692542
It's cheap.

>>18690404
2001 I converted my motorcycle to run on alcohol. Set up a still in my shed to produce fuel.
Did it for 6 years.
Made a mistake and ran empty one day. Took lunch break to buy 99% rubbing alcohol, boss caught me pouring it into my tank. Company did electronic component work for printers, wireless, motion control systems, some on DOJ contracts...
about 2 weeks later the FBI seized my wheels and still, got a $1200 fine and threatened with jail time. Banned from buying alcohol for 3 years, and prohibited to modify vehicles or own a motorcycle for 5 years.
Gag order about the case ended in 2016. Tried to get copies of the records of it in 2017... FBI claimed that the whole event never happened so there were no records.
Protip, be extremely secret about running a still.

I can't afford or use a big still, so I just use a water distiller to make mine. 15 dollars of ingredients makes me hundreds of dollars worth. It tastes like shit, but you stop caring about it after a few shots anyway.

>>18692546
They sure dontmake things like they used to huh? damn cheap chinese tomato yeastifier always breaking down.

What's it like being an alcoholic? I can barely stomach anything more than beer, do you start to crave the taste or just hate your life and want to be wasted all the time

>>18692560
This. I can make amazing booze with a 7ft copper stuffed column, but just using low wines is fine if you can stomach it. All depends of the electricity you want to use.

Is this legit?
Kingsunshine 1.5 Gallon Pure Copper Boiler Pot Alembic Still Wine Alcohol Water Distiller https://a.co/d/gelyL2K

>>18691286
I own a fractional column still made of professional borosilicate, not some niggerrigged copper garbage like you. eat my asshole pleb

>>18691308
unless you're drinking the heads fresh off the tap I don't understand how you could poison yourself more than drinking the mash straight. distilling does not magically transmute more impurities out of thin air. stop with this nonsense fuddlore

>>18692754
Some pussified bought unit. Good work rookie. You don't give a shit about learning how to make booze.

>>18692754
You know why copper is king, right? tell me about sulfates.. shit for brains.

>>18692754
You don't know a fucking thing about distilling.

>>18692775
copper mesh in the column or as boiling chips solves this. but it's a hugely overblown "problem" that doesn't really present itself in most situations. you're not using lager yeast are you anon?

>>18692767
guess all master distillers are pussies with prebought setups

Isn't that how Trevor Moore died?
I heard he'd gotten into making moonshine and was getting more drunk than he was used to for the 2 weeks before his accident.
As a 25-year drunk, quit man. Everything is better. It feels like I'm living a second life.

>>18692987
You're a drunk at 25yo?

>>18690404
No. Alcoholics hit 2 rock bottoms: when they die or when they run out of money / get put in prison. Providing yourself with unlimited cheap booze is an easy way to end up dying way faster

>>18692558
Interesting. How hard was it to convert your motorcycle? Any guides on how to do this? What did you distill alcohol from, was it really more economical than just buying gas?

>>18691807
It really and truly isn't a concern. Yes you should toss out the fores and much of the heads, but that's because they taste bad because of the acetone and other lighter/more volatile chemicals. Acetone itself is not dangerous to ingest in reasonable quantities, the Ld50 equivalent for an adult would be drinking half a liter of pure acetone (5g/kg for acetone compared to 7g/kg for ethanol). There aren't other low dose healrh issues with acetone either, but again it tastes and smells terrible so it should be removed.
Methanol is dangerous if ingested in its pure form even in small quantities. Distilling though, does not make a pure form of methanol at any point in the run and the percentage of methanol is small, like 1% if you're purposely trying to push the methanol content with pectin rich must, and is negligible for non fruit based mashes. A antidote for methanol poisoning is ingesting ethanol in a large enough quantity to saturate/out compete the liver enzymes that would be turning methanol into formaldehyde, which will surely happen since the methanol to ethanol ratio is so low. And as one last thing, methanol concentration is highest in the tails, not the heads as commonly thought- which goes against the common practice of using and redistilling tails. https://doi.org/10.1021/acsfoodscitech.1c00025 is the first accessible paper I pulled up but there are several that show the same thing.
There's also this misconception that each chemical boils off at a certain temp and then is gone. Mixtures don't work like that, each of the chemicals in solutions interact and change each other's boiling points which is an ever changing process in a still as vapors are removed and heat is added. It means that everything in the still gets smeared throughout the run but can be concentrated in certain parts. You probably already know this is happening with water, since you know the you're getting a mostly ethanol and water mixture out but you aren't at water boiling temp.

>>18692975
who the fuck would use lager yeast when bread yeast works as well and has the best flavour. Might as well use turbo ffs.

Master distillers use over a hundred year old pot stills. Look up the Lagavulin plant. Everything else is kids play.

>>18690652
Get 12 jars clean and ready. Take the first 100ml into a jar. Swap jars and do another 100. Taste a drop or two out of this 100. You can fairly easily tell the difference between the foreshots and good booze. If youve got any question keep swapping every 100ml, you can always blend stuff back into the hearts later. Methanol will burn an invisible blue flame. Diethyl ether is the next to come out but thats pretty quick. Hearts will give off more yellow when ignited. If you want to get more precise read a chemistry book. I took a couple shots of ether once. You get drunk as shit for 30ish min then within an hour youre stone sober again- hard on the liver tho. Go for it anon.
t. Not blind yet

>>18693787
He's saying he's been a drunk for 25 years, ESL-kun. His age isn't anywhere in there.

>>18690404
Got a still and made "vodka", really just alcohol. All filtered and diluted down as required to make booze as good as store bought but ridiculously cheap. Was giving my mate some every week and could see him deteriorate as he was belting into it. Had to stop, if he's going to kill himself or ruin his life I'm not going to help him.

>>18692565
>do you start to crave the taste or just hate your life and want to be wasted all the time
More the latter than the former. Getting up in the morning is a huge pain in the ass, lots of coughing and dry heaving, makes it near impossible to get that morning cigarette in without feeling like I'm gonna puke. Fucks up my ability to do simple things because I feel like I'm going to jump out of my skin at any moment; can't do my job properly (professional musician) without it because I can't hit certain notes, feel more sluggish on pretty much any instrument, plus the coughing. If it's a bad one - like, if I drank a bunch of hard liquor the night before and have an honest hangover - I can't get out of bed until the sun's down again. It sucks, basically.

>>18694875
>bread yeast
you're retarded. also lambics, geuezes and other wilds would like a word with you in flemish or whatever

>>18695005
Save the ether. You can drink it and it feels like being on a whip-it for several hours. 19th century ether frolics weren't a bunch of Victorians huffing on rags - they drank it, and so can you.

>>18690404
kinda but the startup costs are a set back and it will increase your alcoholism to a scary level because you'll go from drinking a 80 proof 750ml a day to drinking a liter of 180 proof moonshine a day and thats when you wake up shaking, start hallucinating and having seizures
trust me that shit ain't fun, i now just drink beer to keep my self from drinking to much

>>18690599
>You go to distilling, you might blind yourself with methanol, or have a large fire.
Not true since methanol is only created during the fermentation process, distillation might concentrate it a bit at the beginning but typically it will still be far below a dangerous dose. What you just said is a myth from the days of prohibition when the mob and less savory moonshiners would extend their profits by adding methanol to their batches which ofc blinded and killed people.
>>18690470
>Nice still bro. Did you build it yourself?
Considering that distillation in the USA (and most of the world for some reason) is still illegal he probably would have had to since the largest you can get here is 1 gallon for fuel alcohol production and even then you still might get a very pleasant checkup call by the ATF to see what you're doing with that still (after they shoot your dog ofc).

>>18698604
Don't forget that the US government also deliberately poisoned raw alcohol supplies to "discourage people from drinking it" which led to thousands of deaths, helping to create the "he must have been drinking moonshine and went blind/died" myth

>>18690581
with a column that big you could rock a much larger pot
whats that like a 10 or 15 gal? you should try a 55 barrel so once you stabilize you're not having to refill it so often

>>18693787
not him but i started drinking at 11 and by 25 i was a full blown alky drinking a 1.75L of 100 proof vodka every 1.5 days
so its more then possible to get there by that age

>>18690404
>As a hobby?
Yes.
>To make money?
No.
>To save money on your own hooch?
Cheap vodka is better bang for your buck if you have a drinking problem.

>>18692558
Did you lose your job?

>>18690442
It isn't.
>>18690449
Calculate the cost of heating it and then calculate the cost of whatever ferment slop you ferment. Works out to be over $10 a gallon. Why should I do this whenever E85 is $1.99 a gallon and tastes better?

>>18699041
>E85
because the other 15% is gasoline

>>18691213
This. Angry alcoholics freaking out

>>18690404
Bong here who has to pay like 17.00 bong sheckles for a litre of crappy vodka so my column still was worth every penny. Cost me about tree fiddy (literally 350) and I can make 10 litres at 45 percent abv for roughly 20.00 - takes about 12 days start to finish.

>>18699075
So? It separates with water.

>>18700388
alcohol is a emulsifier that holds the water and gas together, gas tank water remover is literally just alcohol
its also why 15% ethanol on regular gas is bullshit because it means the gas you're buying can be up to 15% water so you're buying 15% less fuel

*beeping noises*

>>18700629
I said e85 which is 85% alcohol. Add more water and it separates from gas and then you can drink it to your hearts content.

>>18700752
the gas will always stay chemically bonded to the alcohol, you can add water to the point it saturates the alcohols but then the water separate not the gas

>>18700774
Tastes fine to me.

>>18694875
most anyone in the industry uses labware in their r&d rooms

>>18690996
he wasn't talking about distilling so methanol ain't really an issue