/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>18307100
Italians are very particular about their food; however they aren't in the way typically portrayed outside Italy or even Europe. In a way they may be even more peculiar than you would expect. E.g. roughly every separate square mile of land in italy has their own variant of leavened flatbread, and they differ in minor ways such as flour compisition or leavening times. However, depending on which square mile of land you find yourself in, you _must_ call this particular flat bread pinsa, focaccia, schiacciata or about a gazillion other names. It's weird. Also, the thing about certain types of pasta only going with sauces is most certainly real. Then again, I remember cooking pasta with zucchini and fucking cream cheese with my crazy nationalist italian ex gf who was otherwise full 14/88 and very much concerned with traditional roman culture.

>coffee with sugar and milk
common as fuck. idk the percentages, but I'd be surprised if the majority of us didn't add sugar to our coffee. my mother sweetened hers to high fucking hell and back. she added AT LEAST six fucking dessert spoons of sugar per 4 demitasse pot; often seven or more. she was basically adding 40g+ of sugar per 360ish ml of coffee. guests would always ask she serve them their coffee unsweetened with a pot of sugar at the table to add their own, which was usually a single coffee spoon or so.

>deep fried pizza
there are a few versions. one is as the one in OP and that's the one I grew up on. you fry the dough and top it with sauce and grated cheese. it's similar to langos.

> no wine with pasta
never even heard of this

> don't fold your pizza, that's what calzone is for
never heard of this, either. lots of people eat pizza "wallet-style" IE folded over like a wallet

> no pineapple or chicken on a pizza
lol, a few years ago, barbecue chicken pizza with pineapple was a fad for a short bit but it disappeared once the novelty wore off. i didn't like it much, but i could see it having the potential to be good but we lack the know-how to make a proper american-style barbecue sauce/barbecue chicken, i think

> carbonara doesn't have heavy cream in it
it does not. idky, but foreigners always want to overcomplicate italian things. carbonara is among the easiest shit. it's the meal your mother makes when she's given up caring for the day. well, that or pasta with butter.
beat eggs with cheese and pepper. fry guanciale (or pancetta or speck or fucking bacon; we literally dgaf which you do so long as you know it's meant to be guanciale due to its ideal fat:meat ratio), toss freshly cooked pasta with the guanciale and its rendered fat then toss with the cheese-y eggs until thickened into a custard-like texture. there's nothing more to it.

>>18307119
true-ish. we're also particular with brand loyalty. for example, someone from naples might relocate to, say, milan and seek out kimbo-brand coffee because it's the most popular one in naples and refuse to try cesco or giugni or any other ones common to milan.

>>18307100
>Or maybe it's only like that in tourist places?
this

"Heavy cream" is not uncommon on pasta, but not so unused, a lot of people drink wine or beer on dinner and lunch, but the most important: you can drink coffee as you want, just do not ask for rocket science. "un caffé" is an expresso, "un caffé macchiato" is coffee with some milk, "un latte macchiato" is the inverse. Mocha does not exist, or the know what it is and they will do it anyway.

>>18307100
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g635625-d1467220-Reviews-Ristorante_Il_Federale-Artena_Province_of_Rome_Lazio.html
Be sure to stop here if you have a chance, anon, the food is fantastic
Highly recommend their house wines

>>18307100
most Italians are somewhat particular about some food because of memes, for example carbonara, but they're not very particular about what they eat in general
>milk in coffee
caffelatte or latte macchiato, quite common
>deep fried pizza
it's not traditional but it's common
>wine with pasta
wherever did you read that Italians don't pair those?
there are households in Italy where drinking wine is uncommon, but where it's common they drink wine with EVERYTHING
>hawaiian pizza
it's considered shameful, again, mainly because of the memes, but some people do like it
>chicken on pizza
I' ve only ever met one Italian who liked that
>heavy cream
carbonara most definitely doesn't have heavy cream in it, that's not very common unless you're talking to idiot university students, who use heavy cream with tuna or diced ham in pasta

>>18307534
> wine with pasta
Oh fuck sorry, I meant wine with pizza. I heard from a couple people that it's a faux pas or whatnot to order wine with a pizza and that water or a beer is a more appropriate pairing. Not sure what's the origin of that meme or how common is it but it's not my experience so far.

>>18307430
>expresso
Hello my non-Italian friend.

Sugar with espresso is to cut acidity plebeian.

>>18307430
>Mocha does not exist, or the know what it is and they will do it anyway.
Doesn't "mocha" mean the same thing as mocaccino?
(then you've got the related-but-different bicerin and marocchino)

>>18307100
There was some pizza chain that tried to get a foothold in Italy and recently gave up, so they do give a fuck, just not with those particular rules (except pineapple on pizza).

I went to Italy last month and kebab pizzas were suprisingly popular. Not as popular as anywhere else in Europe but didn’t expect to see quite a few.

>>18307835
>kebab pizzas
don't see how this could happen unless you went to a rotisserie that makes both kebab and pizza, and i haven't seen too many of these
>t. roman

>>18307100
do yourself a favor and if you ever go to bologna have a "coffee with milk" and you'll cum buckets, that's the tightest lattes I've ever had, cause they whip the milk, the milk has extra fat, and obviously put some sugar in it, it has to taste sweet, nothing wrong with that

anyways, I only know about bologna but if the rest of italy loves and makes the lattes bologna has you're in luck

Italians are arrogant faggots, who are dirty and untrustworthy. Their food is overrated as fuck, the USA has better versions of pizza, pasta, etc. Tomatoes aren't native to Italy, and the Chinese did noodles first.

Where these non-white niggers get this arrogance from, only God knows. Seriously, the French eclipse these dirty fucks, but your rarely hear about them bitching and moaning about their cuisine

The French at least have the right to be cunty over food, they developed haute cuisine cookery and their dishes are quite complex. Italians are just pointlessly cunty and 80% of their autism boils down to "mamma mia you must use this speshul ingredient that only comes from this particular asscrack of Italy for the 'best' taste"

>>18307330
Kek no one is reading ur stupid ass blogspot lmao

>>18307600
i don't know why i put an x
>>18307804
yeah, probably most bartenders will misunderstand and will give a mocaccino or a cappuccino

>>18307100
All countries have people that are very particular about their food. Some people here go apeshit. Others pretend to be the people going apeshit. Like some anonymous people pleading for some attention.

>>18307100
italian food is just creative poorfag cruel desu

>>18307100
Croatians do Italian food better than Italians. I've been to Italy and Croatia several times and Croatian cuisine is simpy better.

>>18307100
I live in country-Italy where there's not much tourism and other than the pineapple on pizza meme nobody cares about any of those things.

>>18307330
>i didn't like it much, but i could see it having the potential to be good but we lack the know-how to make a proper american-style barbecue sauce/barbecue chicken
This is such a shame. If there's one american culinary tradition that should be exported across the world it's our barbecue, not our shitty fast-food.

>>18308056
Pic related.
Pic related. Granted, I was in Piedmont, so things might be a little different there. But I was still surprised given the autistic reputation of Italians regarding food.

>>18309664
>Shit quality meat in sugar sauce
Lol.

>>18309664

The actually decent American culinary traditions like BBQ, Creole, southwest etc. are non-existent in Europe. Any restaurant that purports to be "American" simply sells burgers, perhaps hotdogs and milkshakes and usually has faux 1950s diner decor. American style pizza is only really present in Dominos and its competitors but Neapolitan style pizza is far more common and popular.

>>18309749
Actually “soul food” is becoming popular in major European capitals.

>>18307100
>> deep fried pizza
>I thought it's a bait for tourists again but it's a traditional Napoli dish.
a panzarotti is authentic Italian food, its basically a deep fried calzone which is just a folded in half pizza

>>18307330
>"wallet-style"
bi-fold or tri-fold?

>>18307100
The joke is that while italians throw a fit over "doing it right" the truth is that there exists no right way and they will go at each other over slight differences because italians love feuds.

>>18309756
Can't think why.....

>>18309669
a lot of BBQ doesn't even have surgery sauces, its more mustard, vinegar, smoked, dry rubs etc

>>18309756
soul food=/=BBQ

>>18309811
>we don't actually care about food we're just cunts straight up
sounds about right

>>18309818
Not bbq.
Southern cuisine like fried chicken (and waffles kek), cornbread, black eyes peas, gumbo and all the stuff like that.

>>18309811
>because italians love feuds.
this true but nothing compared to Americans of Italian decent
my mom recently threw a knife at me because i tried to give her suggestions on spice combination that work together instead of canceling each other out

>>18307100
>no chicken on a pizza
Butter Chicken pizza shits on 98% of all pizzas fuck that

>>18309829
ah but you're still all over the place
NC would be fried okra, coleslaw, pork
NOLA would be gumbo, gator, crawl fish
TN you got ribs
TX you got beef

>>18309839
>Americans of Italian decent
Absolutely the worst sub-species of Amerimutt.

>>18309846
you really put my tech support on hold so you could post this? get back to work

>>18309849
someones never met a puerto rican or a jewban that pretend to be American Italians

>>18309846
For me it's chicken tikka pizza

>>18307100

i went to italy like 12 years ago for high school, from napoli to rome. i dont remember seeing deep fried pizza or taking espresso with sugar, but then again i was in the super touristy places. i only had stereotypical italian fare, not much different than shit in NYC.

>>18308056
>roman
why is your being Romanian relevant to the topic at hand?

I've just found this gem in some Rome based restaurant in Google maps. Explain yourselves Italians you fucking fags.

>>18309667
>given the autistic reputation of Italians regarding food.
It's 99.9% just the tourism board trying to promote the image of the Italy people expect from movies and bullshit.

>>18310057
Why would the tourism board want to make their country seem full of irritating autists who will stab you if you eat a ravioli the wrong way?

>>18310067
4d Jewish chess.

>>18310069
idk man, Italian food autism makes me never want to visit Italy. They seem absolutely insufferable.

>>18310074
Opposite here, it might be because I'm autistic myself. It sounds kinda cool that they're very passionate about cooking and food and they just express it without much of a filter, especially if you compare it with fast food workers who just want to finish their shift and get high, doesn't matter if their food is diarrhoea inducing slop.

>>18310084
There's being passionate about food and then there's getting mad if someone spins their spaghetti in the wrong direction.

>>18310097
Yeah that's true

>>18307100
i'm at an international school in tokyo with a bunch of italians and in tokyo there's a chain restaurant called saizeriya, and its basically like subway but for pasta, and it is the most laughably bland food in the world, it's like psych ward tier food

we (americans) love trolling them and insisting that it's authentic italian cuisine and that they'rejust being pretentious and they go fucking mental, and keep in mind they're like 19-25 year old women not seasoned chefs kek

>>18310084
>fast food workers who just want to finish their shift and get high
Spoiler alert, Italy has those, too.

>>18309799
Panzerotto (plural is panzerotti) means a different thing entirely in Naples. To us, it's a potato croquet. What you have a calzone to us. While in the rest of Italy, calzone is always baked, ours is always fried.

>>18309803
The most common one is to fold it half then fold in half again in the direction perpendicular to the first fold.

>>18309811
There's a saying that the only thing you can get two Italians to agree on is that the third guy is wrong.

>>18309816
I'd like to try a surgery sauce but worry the gauze and forceps would get in the way.

>>18309829
Ameriwaffles were semipopular for a hot minute after Stranger Things came out.

>>18310163
>trolling young women
Surefire way to miss out on good pussy, bruh.

>>18307835
Yeah all the Egyptians immigrants opened a kebab place and they also serve something like ny style pizza

My best friend is Italian, I'm German. I have been invited over to the house for many dinners, I gotta say the food is always delicious.
Homemade sauce and meatballs with veal and lamb
spinach and cheese balls
Some kinda soup with what they called lil cakes in it? that were like croutons.
I just remember that there was always way more the you could eat and way more courses that my family ever had.

>>18311963
>all of them opened just one
Must be crowded.

>>18312100
There are a few, just like kebab places

>>18307100
the tomatoes grown there will have a different taste, the olive oil will taste more pure. the wine there tastes better due to vineyards. the pasta is made with more elegance instead of mass produced.

yes of course italian people are more picky about their food because they grew up on slightly different products.

>>18307100
ye

>>18307100
> coffee with sugar and milk is an abomination
pretty common with espresso since bar 90% of the time don't make good coffe
it's less common with coffee made with moka.
Milk is common too, especially in the morning (macchiato)

> deep fried pizza
pretty delicious

> no wine with pasta
you probably meant "pizza". Yeah it's kinda strange to drink wine with pizza

> don't fold your pizza, that's what calzone is for
You don't fold pizza at the restaurant what the fuck. The pizza sold in street food (actually an exclusively neapolitan tradition, not anywhere else) are supposed to be folded

> no pineapple or chicken on a pizza
hated by the majority of italians.

> carbonara doesn't have heavy cream in it
correct
> That's true but other pasta dishes with heavy cream are quite common
Well, although there are other dishes with cream, Italians are slowly eliminating it from any possible dishes.
Cream is not viewed as a bonus ingredient but an ingredient that should be used for very few specific recipes

In old shit restaurants, they would probably still use cream

>>18310214
>trolling young women
>Surefire way to miss out on good pussy, bruh.

Literally the easiest way to get pussy outside of shelling out tons of money

>>18307100
Did you go to highly populated areas? My cousin visited his wife’s family in a small Italian town and someone flat out cussed him out and spit on his shoes

>>18307100
>Are Italians being very particular about their food…?
Yes. “Spaghetti bolognese does not exist, says fed-up Mayor of Bologna”
https://www.insider.com/spaghetti-bolognese-does-not-exist-says-mayor-of-bologna-italy-2019-3

>>18312497
Why should he take the credit for a dish that didn't originate in his town?

stupid fucking thread

>>18307100
italian here
in milan delivery sushi has overtaken delivery pizza
kebap is next

>>18312497
it does exist actually, It's (probably) a neapolitan knock off of traditional bolognese ragu`.
It's a bad recipe honestly, dont' bother making it and just make ragu`, neaples and campania in general has a lot of tasty dishes.
Stay away from their lasagna too

>>18307100
Yes we are. Stay away from touristic cities. You'll find not authentic Italian food there. T. Italian

>>18314552
You know it is a good place to eat when you see Italians queuing patiently to go in.

>>18307119
>italian gf full 14/88
its nice to see nonwhites see the light.