/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>18290582
if eating meat and cheese makes you feel sick, you need to go see a doctor. the doctor will kill you, yes, because that's really all doctors ever do, but you'll stop being an annoying little cunt.

Is eating a pound of meat a day too much?

>>18290599
I'm talking about the keto flu dumbass.

>>18290616
I've gone days without eating any appreciable amount of carbs and never had this. Isn't it something to do with salt?

>>18290582
Quit the strawmanning you obnoxious faggot

Ive been on strict keto for 9 months, at this point i have lost 100 pounds and i am still going strong, it saved my life and i am lighter than i have been in 8 years

Keto works but it still takes self control, no cheat days, no hoping on and off, you are either all in, or you need to stop

>>18290877
You would have lost the same weight consuming the same calories as carbs.

bump

>>18290582
>Why do they do this? What do they get from it?
They want to believe they discovered a "cheat code for dieting."
Basically fat people will take literally any excuse to follow random fad bullshit before doing the one obvious thing that actually works which is eating fewer calories.

>>18290884
Except with constant hunger

>>18290877
>self control, no cheat days
This is all it takes, not some meme diet, you fat fucking retard

Why does keto make people do butthurt?

>>18292117
Because it undeniably works for its purpose of losing weight fast but it takes extreme willpower so fatties who think it sounds easy quit after 2 days and feel bad about it.

>>18290616
>keto flu
That's your babby carb withdrawal symptoms, it has nothing to do with eating meat and cheese. You could get over it, if you weren't a carb addict who can't help relapsing.

>>18290616
apparently nobody's told you, but it isn't actually the flu.

>>18291389
>Why does keto make people do butthurt?
Because it's a retarded fad that goes in the exact opposite direction from basic truths like "calories determine weight." Every decade fat people find another fad like that instead of just eating fewer calories which everyone's known as the obvious cause of people being overweight since the 1800s (or on a more general level, just eat less food, which everyone's know as the obvious cause of being overweight since before recorded history).
>>18292153
I've been underweight my entire adult life and keto fags still get on my nerves. I just don't like reality avoiders and contrarians.

>>18290582
Only stupid people look at a keto diet and think it means you can eat as much as you want. Why are you stupid?

>>18291384
Your body adapts you retard. At first the hunger would have been a pain sure but eventually your body would have realized that you wouldn't just keep shovelling food down your big fat throat and backed off. But nooo exercising self-control is too much for you fat fucks so you have to subscribe to a meme diet instead

>>18290599
jfc

>>18291384
You're actually retarded.

What's causing that is sucrose, table sugar, and high carb wholefoods are THE MOST satiating.

>>18291384
>Except with constant hunger
Keto dieters fear the boiled potato.
>Satiety ratings were obtained every 15 min over 120 min after which subjects were free to eat ad libitum from a standard range of foods and drinks. A satiety index (SI) score was calculated by dividing the area under the satiety response curve (AUC) for the test food by the group mean satiety AUC for white bread and multiplying by 100.
>Thus, white bread had an SI score of 100% and the SI scores of the other foods were expressed as a percentage of white bread.
>The highest SI score was produced by boiled potatoes (323 +/- 51%).
>Protein, fibre, and water contents of the test foods correlated positively with SI scores (r = 0.37, P < 0.05, n = 38; r = 0.46, P < 0.01; and r = 0.64, P < 0.001; respectively) whereas fat content was negatively associated (r = -0.43, P < 0.01).
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/15701207_A_Satiety_Index_of_common_foods

>>18292190
I did keto and lost 60 pounds. Now I’m back to eating slow carbs like whole grains and potatoes. I’ve also integrated fasting into my routines so I agree about caloric deficits being key for weight loss. But keto made me really aware of sugar and how addictive it is. It can definitely be a great thing for people.

The easiest solution is to eat carbs, veggies, meat, eggs and dairy products an just shut the fuck up. Don’t eat so much that you’ll get fat, fatty.

>>18290582
Just do low carb and pop benofotiamine.

>>18290877
I'm glad keto worked for your fat ass. But its just like any other meme diet =calories in-calories out.

>>18290582
Keto is NOT unlimited meat and cheese. Keto is more focused on "fats" like eggs, avocado, nuts and seeds. The keto flu is a temporary state where the body is confused how to shift from burning ketones instead of glucose.

>>18293237
does your breath smell like nail polish or acetone? No? You're not burning ketones instead of glucose. As long as you're not starving, your body literally makes glucose using your liver. The keto diet is a fucking meme.

>>18290582
>other people's lifestyles that I don't practice make me SO FUCKING TRIGGERED

ketosis does help you lose weight. that much is undisputable

i dont know about any of this other shit

>>18293245
My breath has been more pungent. Keto along with fasting enables the body to burn fatty acids instead of glucose. I dont claim a Keto lifestyle is for all obese and/or type 2 diabetic individuals, but I know for myself it has helped me achieve an optimal weight, maintaining that weight while allowing be boundless energy. Knowing I will gain back my weight loss if I go back to eating high carbs on a daily basis, I choose to remain on Keto indefinitely, while eating carbs 1-2 meals a week.

>>18290582
I'm doing keto.
I had 2 eggs & cabbage salad for breakfast, sausage for lunch, and mozzarella tomato salad for dinner.
Is that unhealthy?

>>18290582
Keto is actually excellent for weight loss and weight management, it's just hard on your liver. Unless you are a heavy drinker/have Hepatitis, it's completely fine for short to mid term use. Also, cheese is just plain bad for you. A proper keto diet would be a high protein food paired with nutrient dense but low calorie vegetables like kale(never raw), spinach, broccoli, etc.

The sickness you feel is usually a result of low blood sugar while your body adjusts to keto. It tends to be especially prevalent in people who had high sugar diets.

>>18293269
>that much is undisputable
It's constantly disputed.
If anything, the ketogenic diet helps with drug resistand childhood epilepsy. The losing weight idea is a lot less evidence based and a lot more meme based.
Calories determine weight, not macronutrient ratio. And keto foods aren't even the most satiating compared to non-keto foods like boiled potatoes.

>>18293282
Proper keto is greens with protein + nuts.

>>18290582

>>18290582
USAians are incapable of nuance. They think "no carbs" mean go crazy with meat and cheese; you need some veg to balance out the protein.

>>18294092
Asian food is disgusting.

>>18292190
"Calories determine weight" is worthless information. Telling people what foods to eat to suppress appetite is far more constructive and doesn't paint you as a pedantic fool getting off to your own farts.

>>18295165
>Telling people what foods to eat to suppress appetite is far more constructive
Telling people to get self control is a lot more constructive actually.

>>18295165
>"Calories determine weight" is worthless information.
No, it's just the truth and needs to be repeated every day until fat people stop avoid reality.
>Telling people what foods to eat to suppress appetite is far more constructive
Cool, in that case eat potatoes and don't do keto.

>>18290582
I personally believe only protein doesn't accurately reflect the standard calorie system. If we use proteins to rebuild body tissue then it can't be used for energy. Also our system docent turn protein into energy as efficiently as it does other macro nnutrients. Not saying massive amounts of proteins are good for us, just that energy wise they are different.

>>18295515
I mean, they only have 3 macronutrients to consider, and all 3 have been studied to death for a very long time now, so I seriously doubt the conventional understanding of protein's relationship with calories is wrong because nobody ever realized protein does the most obvious and well known things protein does.

I eat a few tablespoonfuls of peanut butter on workout days
Works wonders for me

>>18290599
you should kill yourself instead

>>18295564
Just saying, they measure the calories by burning it in pure oxygen in a special machine. we don't use protein that way.

>>18295622
>Just saying, they measure the calories by burning it in pure oxygen in a special machine.
No they don't you pseud. That was the first method used. Nobody does that for calorie count determination on food product labels anymore. Why do you think all these researchers who do this for a living are retarded and you discovered their secret mistake? The issue is you don't understand what they do, not that they don't know what you know.

>>18290608
Is that in addition to other foods?

>>18295653
Because Ive met scientists. In Alaska they keep using science to destroy fisheries. Herring, King Crab, Halibut, Black Cod, Rock Fish, etc.

Why is /ck/ so much more tolerant to ketofags than /fit/?

>>18290599
You just know the people that type this sort of shit at weak little goblin retards that do nofap and all sorts of other stupid shit

>>18292263
>EXPERTS AGREE TAKE ANOTHER BOOSTER AND EAT SUGAR OKAY GOYIM!??

>>18292160
It's almost like carbs are healthy and your body needs them to stay healthy and is telling you so.

>>18292117
If you've spent more than 5 minutes talking to keto cultist retards, you should find them irritating for just how much retarded bad advice they give and their pseudoscientific bullshit they state as fact. They're annoying because they honestly believe in the diet with an almost religious fervor because they think it's the reason they lost weight so they try to downplay all of its negative health effects, low rate of success, and the fact that it's completely unnecessary for weight loss.

>>18296269
Yeah that highly addictive refined sugar which causes withdrawl symptoms is healthy as shit, definitely have another can of mt. dew goyim

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO BE SMART AND HEALTHY EAT THE CATTLE FEED RIGHT NOW GOY

>>18296269
>get crack withdrawal symptoms
>damn my body is craving dat healthy crack again

>>18296269
Proof?

>>18290582
Keto is also a good cancer preventative diet since cancer thrives on glucose.

>>18296286
>Yeah that highly addictive refined sugar which causes withdrawl symptoms
This is false. Sugar is not an addictive substance no matter how much you want to pretend it is. It does not give you withdrawal symptoms.

When humans are deficient in certain things, they develop symptoms of sickness. Withdrawal symptoms and malnutrition are not the same thing. You will pass out and experience all sorts of negative symptoms from dehydration, but water is not an addictive substance you complete moron.

>>18296294
Addictive narcotics are not the same thing as food you moron. Nutritional deficiency and withdrawal are not the same thing.

I swear to fucking god the average IQ on this board must be like 70.

>>18296256
/fit/ is more familiar with reality thanks to seeing firsthand how being a retard results in nogains, doing common sense well known and documented basics results in gains, and gains result in nogf.
/ck/ meanwhile is filled with overweight schizos who never check results and believe whichever diets let them eat the most bacon, cream cheese, and nutter butters.

I eat keto, but all my meat is grass-fed and pasture raised, same with any other animal products I buy. All cheese is from raw milk as well. Additionally I keep my omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids balanced, since the western diet is monstrously out of proportion when it comes to omega 6, which is a huge driver of inflammation.
Only carbs I eat are home grown or otherwise organic veggies.

Additionally I'll note that the only time I see keto threads or keto posts initiated is when some shrieking retard is blasting out of his ass how mad he is about it. Basically you are gay and retarded.

>>18296313
>Sugar is not an addictive substance
Sneed

>>18296374
It's not. It has no withdrawal symptoms and the people that continually consume it do so out of habit and desire to continue doing so, not because there body is in any way compelling them to do so.

If you stop eating and drinking sugar, nothing will happen. Even if you guzzle 10 caffeine free sodas a day, you can stop and nothing happens.

>>18296388
>there body
*their

What is it with sugar shills

>>18296412
Nobody in this thread shilled sugar

>>18296313
lmao look at this poison pusher trying hard as fuck to keep the goyim on the animal chow

>>18296462
Everyone here argues because of autism, not because they're actually making any progress towards a goal.

>>18296481
You'd be a fool not to realize that many if not most posts made here are advertisements. This is the largest outlet to end users that does not require purchasing accounts on the internet.

>>18296494
>This is the largest outlet to end users that does not require purchasing accounts on the internet.
No it fucking isn't.

>>18296494
>>18296522
And also I don't know why you believe Monsanto or the government would care at all about saving themselves a few dollars in some hypothetical other website's "membership fees."

>>18296494
Ah yes the like 30 active posters on /ck/ at any given time are definitely a prime advertising target.

Schizos are such a riot. They always have this completely hilarious self-importance and warped view of how relevant 4chan is.

>>18290582
I had a buddy who went on it, said the initial weight he lost early was great but that it was ultimately hell and would recommend it to no one

>>18296462
I wasn't trying to keep anyone on anything you retard. If I were pushing sugar, I'd say "Yes, it's addictive as hell. Don't stop eating or drinking sugar or you'll get sick, guys. Never quit sugar, it's impossible. It's so hard to do, you'll get headaches and cramps and be stuck in bed for weeks"

I said none of that. You can quit sugar right now and nothing happens. I did it myself. I always told myself if I stopped sugar, I'd feel like shit or never feel good after a meal. Then I just decided to stop one day and it was super easy. Nothing happened.

All I said earlier in the thread was that carbs are healthy for you and that "keto flu" is the result of your body lacking healthy nutrients that it needs, which is 100% true. Not all carbs are sugars, idiot.

Brock Lesnar is on keto. Obese OP is not. That's all I need to know.

>>18296555
Daniel Negreanu got rich playing poker. Most people won't. This is not an indication that professional poker player is a good profession to take up.

>>18290627
probably because if you lower insulin your kidneys dont hold on to salt as much

>>18296564
such a double standard. people on this board will say X pro athlete eats a lot of carbs so it must be good but when the its the opposite its suddenly inadmissible

>>18296572
wait never mind this is ck not fit but the point is the same

>>18296572
I'm not everyone on this board. No single person using a specific method to achieve success is ever an indicator that that method is broadly effective.

>>18296555
>>18296572
Not really a good argument for any side to use.
Unless you're talking more like 100 pro athletes in a controlled study.

>>18296572
>people on this board
you mean people in your head you strawmanning fuck

>>18296555
>Brock Lesnar is on keto.
Even though the ketogenic diet was around as far back as the 1920s, this was more as something used for pre-anticonvulsant era epilepsy and pre-insulin era type 1 diabetes.
Then way later, in the 90s, that made for TV movie First Do No Harm came out and made it popular as an alternative treatment for childhood epilepsy in place of antivonvulsants or brain surgery.
Then you had your Atkins diet resurgence in the 2000s (was originally conceived of in the 70s), and THEN you had "keto" explode as a meme diet for anyone to use (though most popular among people who think it's a "cheat code" to losing weight).
Brock Lesnar's career started in 2000 and he didn't get on board the keto meme train until 2014.

There was a woman in my program who did keto for the 2 years we were in it. She ended up putting on 80 more lbs by the time we graduated

>>18296266
Congratulations, you neither looked at the table, nor have you apparently ever eaten a potato. How fucking retarded does one have to be, to think that researchers saying, that unrefined carbs satiate well, is a jewish trick?

>>18296883
>EAT THE CATTLE FEED RIGHT NOW GOYIM YOU HAVE TO EAT THE PESTICIDE AND SUGAR OKAY YOU JUST HAVE TO

>>18296648
>Even though the ketogenic diet was around as far back as the 1920s,
1790s

>>18296832
>jew is so fucking desperate for his taco bell stock to go up that he tells lies

>>18297379
It wasn't called "ketogenic" in the 1790s, so no. Term was coined in the 1920s.

>>18295622
>we don't use protein that way.
Alright who wants to tell him what the krebs cycle really is?

>>18298270
You mean a random anon on the internet with zero academic credentials and no industry experience didn't discover everyone's been calculating calories for protein wrong?
I am shocked.

>>18290582
>>18290599
>>18290616
>>18292160
>>18296269
>>18296294
youa re all retarded and nothing, literally no carb or empty calorie does as much damage to you as polysaturated fats.

>>18292263
>oranges
okay this chart has to be bullshit.

>>18296883
70% of studies are non replicatable so the fact that you presented this evidence actually makes you more likely to be wrong than if you made a claim at random that has a 50% chance of being wrong or right.

>>18298839
>70% of studies are non replicatable
Says study

>>18298840
Yes.
not all recursion is illogical.

keto is a is a workable diet like many other but ketofags are often incapable of thinking about carb consumption as something other than fatass americans guzzling sugary soda and eating fast foods

>>18290582
> muh keto flu
if you get it then your most likely a fag and your current diet is all goysloppa

I didn't feel sick at all when I went full keto for a few weeks

>>18298839
A study not being replicated by a subsequent study isn't the same as the conclusion of a study being wrong.
Also the 70% figure refers to 70% of researchers who responded to a survey saying they had tried to replicate a study in the past and weren't able to.
That aside, for psychology specifically you can find actual replication rates at or below 30% (not for real sciences though).
>>18298843
>not all recursion is illogical.
Recursion on its own doesn't really have much to do with the irony of trusting a study to tell you studies shouldn't be trusted.
You can use a study to show studies are published more often on Tuesdays than Sundays and that wouldn't be ironic or self-defeating.
The part that made your statement comical is you trusted (what you believed was) a study (though really it was a survey) as the basis for concluding random guesses are more trustworthy than studies.

>>18296388
Dumb sugar shill

>>18290582
>What do they get from it?
They are excusing themselves to eat unhealthily because they just like the taste of red meat, salt and fat.

>ketolards
ketolards is the proper term
use that

>>18299061
>A study not being replicated by a subsequent study isn't the same as the conclusion of a study being wrong.
it is when theres widespread corruption, corproate meddling, and political oversight. scientists and the scientific establishment are nothing more than grifters. all scientific progress was the thankless effort of outcasts and societal rejects, who's works where later convioniently posthumously exhonerated when it became clear that nobody would have to pay and give prestige or wealth to the person responsible for the discovery. it's been that way for longer than the word science has existed. feel free to commit sudoku any time, you are the enemy of actual progress.

>>18299142
>it is when theres widespread corruption, corproate meddling, and political oversight.
No, that doesn't follow at all. They're still two different concepts.

>>18290582
if anyone is trying to convince you of something they're fucking retarded and if you get mad at them for it you're equally retarded.

Keto, like any other diet, has benefits and detractors and a person should decide for themselves what makes sense.

>>18299148
no they aren't.

>>18290884
not true, my family is doing keto, omad and a 1500cal limit and i'm just doing a 1500cal limit and i'm not losing weight nearly as fast as them

>>18297469
It was the same diet with a different name

>>18299181
They definitely are you brainlet. You can have a correct conclusion in spite of your study being poorly designed and failing when others try to replicate it.
If someone says 1+1=2 and their method for arriving a that conclusion was counting how many numbers were being added together then their answer would be right but their method would be stupid and would fail when applied to other cases with two numbers added together that don't equal 2.

>>18299362
you aren't counting your calories right

>>18299426
i am indeed, i home cook everything

>>18293279
Gotta watch the fillers used in sausages, especially maltodextrin.
Otherwise that sounds pretty good to me
T. Not a doctor

>>18299451
>especially maltodextrin.
very true

>>18293224
>le calories in = calories out meme
calories in differs from person to person even for the same food.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16079608/

>>18292263
>over 120 min
72 hours or bust.

>>18299362
>My anecdote specific to my own family and myself where one or more of us probably made mistakes or lied means calories don't determine weight.
I hate this board so much.

>>18298837
oranges have a ton of fibre. all of the white stuff and membrane around the orange slices take ages to digest.
i also suspect that acidic foods satiate for longer, because it takes time to break down the acid and/or counteract it to get back to a normal pH-level in your gastrointestinal tract. remember a lot of digestion is done by bacteria and enzymes and enzymes usually need a specific pH-level to work efficiently.

>>18293279
depends on your daily carbs limit. it's prime tomato season right now so tomatoes have more sugar than you would think. if your daily limit is 20g of carbs then you are probably cutting it pretty close.

>>18299486
The full text link of that study shows the difference in undigested carbs from a 72 gram (288 calorie) minestrone was 3 grams (12 calories).
So now morbidly obese retards can fixate on Japanese people failing to digest 12 calories per meal as a reason to conclude calories don't matter and you can eat whatever you want.

>>18299486
>>18299527
Also I am pretty sure people with eating disorders figured out this loophole to calories a while back via the vomiting and laxative methods.

>>18299499
carbs are processed differently and cause everything else you eat to be stored as fat

>>18299719
It's the insulin response that causes you to store and prevents you from burning fat, but yes, when your body turns carbs into sugar it fills your blood with insulin which makes you a giant greasy fatass.

>>18296313
>but water is not an addictive substance

When told to eat less, there's always some people who say "it's genetics". Why aren't we farming these people on an industrial scale to take advantage of their thermodynamic-resistant properties? Even if it's a margin as slim as 1000 calories in and 1001 calories out it's still free energy. By taking advantage of economies of scale we could be fuelling the entire planet by by rendering their fat into usable oil. Why are we not making use of this?

>>18299769
Because we aren't jewish, most of us don't eat humans.

>>18299820
I'm not saying eat them, I'm saying feed them, then burn them as fuel. Nothing in the bible forbids this.

Just eat less if you want to lose weight. Meme diets are for fags.

>>18299769
Digestion is not a closed system, dumbass.

>>18299854
Fine, what if you were given liposuction instead of being slaughtered? Better?

>>18299849
>JUST KEEP EATING THE SUGAR GOY JUST DO IT WE NEED THOSE CANCER BILLS OKAY YOU JUST HAVE TO EAT IT

The anti-keto crowd is far more obnoxious.
>YOU CANT JUST ENJOY A DIET THAT'S WORKING FOR YOU BECAUSE...YOU JUST CANT OK!? ARE YOU RETARDED!?

>>18299887
Do you honestly think it's a coincidence that fast food is advertised on every board constantly and consensus cracking shills constantly decry anything we do that is good for us?

>>18299887
proselytizing retards is equally retarded though.

>>18299719
>>18299741
kelards are fucking retards as usual

a) that isn't true
b) even if it was true, it would contradict the goal of your argument.
your body still needs to use energy to live and move. Even if higher insulin from eating carbs causes more of your food to be converted to its storage form, your body would still eventually need that to use the energy from that food, at which point it would re-convert that storage form into energy it can use. If anything, this less efficient "route" would result in spending slightly more energy on the conversion processes than it would cost to process food you'd burn immediately, which consumes more of the calories in the food.

>>18299910
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO INSULIN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WEIGHT GAIN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EAT THE SUGAR GOYSLOP RIGHT NOW IF YOU DON'T GET FAT YOU WON'T GET CANCER AND WE WON'T BE ABLE TO STEAL ALL OF YOUR MONEY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MOLOCH DEMANDS YOU EAT THE SOY RIGHT NOW

>>18299904
>Do you honestly think it's a coincidence that fast food is advertised on every board constantly
This is an anime website you dip. The people who come here are mostly single male cartoon watching NEET shut-ins. Why the fuck would you expect people like that to be cooking gourmet meals? Why the fuck would you be surprised they eat Taco Bell or McDonald's instead?
>and consensus cracking shills constantly decry anything we do that is good for us?
People here do keto for the same reason they eat fast food. In both cases they're NOT good for you and are exactly the kind of thing a lazy fat NEET would do instead of eating a balanced diet with a sensible calorie count.
The only difference is the ones eating fast food aren't kidding themselves as much as the ones believing they found a "cheat code for weight loss." And the ones eating fast food eat their meat with two pieces of bread holding it together.

>>18300032
Keto is good for you. Trust the science

>>18300032
>NOBODY WOULD POSSIBLY ADVERTISE ON A TOP TEN WEBSITE THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE USER ACCOUNTS TO POST THAT WOULD BE CRAZY AND EXTREMELY CHEAP PER ENGAGEMENT! THERE'S NO WAY JEWISH ADVERTISERS WOULD EVER TRY TO SAVE MONEY BY ADVERTISING FOR FREE!!!!!!!

>>18299448
a calorie is a calorie dumbass

>>18300018
>>18300110
i think your brain is lacking some carbs dude

>>18300248
I think your penis is lacking some foreskin kike

Keto is just a way for fat fucks to gorge themselves on meat and fats while pretending that they're making an effort to lose weight

>>18300394
Jimmy lost like 200 pounds and kept most of it off which is better than 99% of people that were his size

>>18300110
>TOP TEN WEBSITE
lol no. How did you even get confused enough to believe that was anywhere close to reality?

>>18300451
Too bad he couldn't keep his hands off children

>>18300110
>>18300491
And then take into account the traffic that actually goes to /ck/ specifically (4K users per day, half of which are the same person changing their ip to samefag or get around bans).
McDonald's is serving 70 million customers per day. And you sincerely believe they're chasing after a couple thousand Azerbaijani animation aficionados. And they're doing this by attacking the ketogenic diet.
Do you ever say your thoughts out loud so you can hear how they sound to everyone else? Try it some time.

>>18300110
Schizos are so retarded and mentally ill. They're literally incapable of thinking through things to make sure they actually make sense. They just spout whatever dumb shit comes to mind to fit their delusions.

I'm not surprised in the slightest that some ketolard is also a schizo

>>18300542
>4k posts a day
And most posters post several times so...generously, maybe 1k people come here per day. And this retard honestly thinks mega corporations actually give a shit about this board.

You should see the ITF people on /fit/

>>18300538
Further proof that the State pigs will arrest you for having knowledge :(

>>18290877
Thanks for your service. I only need to lose 20 pounds but fuck I always lose it and end up craving and stuffing my mouth with pastas and bread.

>>18299381
>they definately are
they aren't. I already conclusively proved it,

>>18299506
I said its bullshit and
>all the piff you dont eat is included
you just proved it for me.

>>18300859
>durr I'll just lie because it's funny
Kill yourself, thanks.

>>18300880
being completely serious.
you are wrong, and your ideology is based on grifting, and you have no shame in doing this evil.

>>18300882
You're not even trying to be honest and you're just baiting now.
So seriously, just kill yourself.

schizos and ketolards absolutely destroyed in this thread

>>18292190
>I've been underweight my entire life
Lead with that next time so I can discard your opinion earlier.

>>18291378
No, they also don’t want to exercise. The most they might do is walk for a bit, burning off perhaps 200 calories from the 3000+ they’ve eaten during the day.

God I fucking hate fat people on any diet that isn’t simply “less than I used to”

>>18290877
you will eat carbs again, fatty.

>>18296294
>damn my body is shaking because of dehydration
>how long before I lose my h20 addiction cravings bros

2 of my old coworkers was on keto's diet and one would always bitch at me for eating carrots (something about a waste of macros? Idk) and the other one saids the diet gave her bad BO

>>18301527
>don't drink water
>die
>don't eat carbs
>thrive

HMM

>>18301457
Do you not trust underweight anons for advice or do you not believe they exist?

>>18301617
>don't eat carbs
>thrive
Is your definition of "thrive" something along the lines of "giving yourself 400 times the risk of kidney stones?"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2852806/
>The prevalence of renal caculi in people on the ketogenic diet is 3-10%, compared with 1 in several thousand in the general population.12 Chronic acidosis, dehydration, low urine pH, and fat malabsorption all contribute to the formation of uric acid and calcium oxalate stones.9,10

>>18301718
Drink more water, retard. Fat burning is thirsty business.

>eat no carbs
>body has no ez fuel source
>body goes into ketosis and breaks down fat
it just works. carb boys mad af

>>18301718
amazing you just extrapolate from children with uncontrolled seizures for years on many different potentially toxic medications to a general population. hilarious levels of stupidity

>>18296310
Your very brain thrives on glucose, you dumbfuck.

>>18300890
>has no argument
>just more rhetoric.
no you.

Have you tried the Flavor Diet? Basically, you only eat spices, herbs and oils.

>>18290616
it is a day where you feel like shit, it is nothing. when I get the actual flu my skin feels like it has been rubbed all over with sand paper and I can barely walk. get over it.
I did keto for a month once and dropped 17 pounds and it kept my appetite in check for a while.

I miss Judith.

>>18301780
>children with uncontrolled seizures
You mean exactly the people who have a real reason to even try this diet to begin with?
And the demographic that gets kidney stones far less often than adults?
And the ones who were actually under medical supervision and given plenty of hydration?
And the ones who don't show a similar massive increase in kidney stones associated with the use of any anticonvulsants?

>>18300542
this image is a psyop.
/ck/ is one of the biggest webpages on the net.
this image is intended to mislead you into a false sense of irrelevance.

>>18302032
Is part of the psyop that /ck/ is intentionally altered to appear very slow even though it's really high traffic?
Damn ya'll, this shit runs deep.

>>18298834
t. drinks seed oils

>>18302075
>retard doesn't know what the primary fat in seed oils is
seed oils have rotted your brain too much to recover with saturated fats I'm afraid. F

>>18301617
>don't drink water
>get headache
>become fatigued
>become lightheaded and dizzy
>develop delirium and confusion
>eventually pass out
>eventually die if you go on long enough without it

>don't eat carbs
>get headache
>become fatigued
>develop brain fog
>become nauseous
>become constipated
>develop insomnia
>won't die but will develop persistent bad breath, probably heart disease down the line, and possibly kidney stones
Water is vital to your survival but your body is letting you know that it's unhealthy when you stop eating carbs too. You just won't die without it. It's not much different from having anemia or any number of other nutrient deficient conditions.

I have no idea how someone can go into this diet thinking it's healthy when you literally get sick transitioning to it and get persistent side effects while on it. The best these retards come up with is that you're "withdrawing" from a substance that...isn't addictive and doesn't cause withdrawal symptoms in the first place.

>>18290608
>a pound of meat a day too much?
Depends on the meat. You need about 90-120 grams of protein per day depending on how big you are and how much you use your muscles.

70/30 ground beef is only 14g protein per 100g of "ground beef" so that would be 63g of protein, still below your needs. OTOH a pound of salmon is 90g of protein.

>>18290616
>I'm talking about the keto flu dumbass.
Then you're the dumbass, because all you need to do to avoid that is to increase your electrolyte intake. It only happens during the early period when your body is still adjusting to keto. You can either buy supplements, use more salt (including potassium "salt substitute"), or just deal with it until your body gets used to the lower fluid retention.

Personally i recommend buying some potassium gluconate tablets, or some potassium chloride "salt substitute". I had seriously bad tachycardia for a few days until I started taking those tablets. Stopped taking the tablets a few weeks later and was fine.

>>18302648
>>don't eat carbs
a good idea
>>get headache
temporary withdrawal symptoms
>>become fatigued
temporary withdrawal symptoms
>>develop brain fog
temporary withdrawal symptoms
>>become nauseous
temporary withdrawal symptoms
>>become constipated
eat fiber, retard
>>develop insomnia
go exercise
>>won't die but will develop persistent bad breath, probably heart disease down the line, and possibly kidney stones
hydrate, retard

>>18291378
>They want to believe they discovered a "cheat code for dieting."
It's not a "cheat code", it simply stops your blood glucose levels from shooting up and then crashing down. No sugar intake -> no huge fucking spike in blood glucose -> you end up not feeling hungry every few hours.

So far today I've had half a bag of peanuts and six florentine almond cookies, and it's almost bedtime. That's probably around 600 calories at most. It's also nowhere near my dietary needs, particularly for protein, but I felt lazy today and didn't bother cooking. Pretty much have to tomorrow.

>>18292117
Seems to mostly be vegans who are all like "OMFG a meat diet HOW DARE YOU YOU HAVE RUINED MY CHILDHOOD!!!"

Seriously, fuck them. I hope they all go to prison like that one in Texas who starved her baby to death on a vegan diet.

>>18292190
>keto diet makes it easy to eat less
>eating less means less calories
>less calories means weight loss
OMFG THEY'RE SO FUCKING TERRIBLE!!!
die in a fire, you piece of shit

>>18293245
>does your breath smell like nail polish or acetone? No? You're not burning ketones instead of glucose. As long as you're not starving, your body literally makes glucose using your liver. The keto diet is a fucking meme.
That's exactly the point, your body is converting your fat stores into glucose. That's literally what ketosis IS, you mongoloid. That's the fucking DEFINITION.

>>18302926
fiber is carbs ketard

>>18290582
Is keto a meme or is it legitly good? My mom has been on that diet and keeps annoying me with it just because I usually eat with rice.

>>18302948
Literally nobody with at least two brain cells to rub together counts fiber as carbs, because it's UNDIGESTABLE AND THEREFORE DOES NOT HAVE THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS ASSOCIATED WITH CARBS

>>18302971
fiber is carbs ketard

>>18298834
>polysaturated fats
oh god anon, shut the fuck up if you have no idea what you're talking about, go and read a high school chemistry book, watch a documentary, anything

>>18302933
>keto diet makes it easy to eat less
Deboonked, eat potatoes.
>>18292263
>The highest SI score was produced by boiled potatoes (323 +/- 51%).
>Protein, fibre, and water contents of the test foods correlated positively with SI scores (r = 0.37, P < 0.05, n = 38; r = 0.46, P < 0.01; and r = 0.64, P < 0.001; respectively) whereas fat content was negatively associated (r = -0.43, P < 0.01).

>>18290582
youre imagining things. nobody these days are actually on keto.

>>18302648
>>get headache
>>become fatigued
>>develop brain fog
>>become nauseous
>>become constipated
>>develop insomnia
Works on my machine.

>>18302926
>thinks malnutrition is withdrawal
Fucking retard
>thinks non-addictive substances have withdrawal symptoms
Fucking retard
>doesn't realize fiber is a carb
Fucking retard
>thinks insomnia can be fixed by exercising more
Fucking retard
>thinks he can avoid bad breath by drinking more water
>thinks he can avoid heart disease by drinking more water
>thinks he can avoid kidney stone formation by drinking more water
Peak fucking retard. It can help reduce the risk of those things but it won't eliminate any of them.

Seems like everyone that believes in keto really is functionally retarded. Every single one I run into can parrot pseudoscientific bullshit they've read about on some keto blog but lack even the most basic common sense and knowledge.

>>18302966
It's a meme. Soundest advice is don't overdo it on carbs(100-200g should be fine) but the important thing is to avoid truly bad carbs like bread, soda, or super sugary bullshit like cookies, cake, that obvious garbage. Fruits are fine. The random rants about glucose, insulin, and how your body does x y z is all bullshit bro science by people selling you a snake oil diet by trying to make it sound like they've solved body wizardry to lose weight.

Eat plenty of lean proteins, limited to moderate fats like cheese/yogurt/oil, fish with low mercury content, vegetables you enjoy, and drink only water. Use salt and mustard for taste primarily. Calorie count very strictly until you can ballpark everything and keep it to 1200-1500 if your goal is weight loss. Wa la, easy weight loss and no bullshit side effects or stank ass breath.

>>18302937
going into ketosis vs. burning fat are two entirely different things. You convert your fat stores into glucose by less callories, not magically lowering your blood sugar levels.

>>18290582
the reason you know keto is bullshit is every single one of these "experts" has something to sell.

>>18303323
What nutrient am I lacking by not eating enough carbs?

>>18290582
The only true and honest diet is Intermittent Fasting.

>>18303403
since fiber is a carb (, ketard)
your intestinal bacteria will be ded, which will impact your nutrient absorption in other foods.

also, all the micronutrients in grains and legumes.

>>18303409
achieves the same thing as any other diet; you're eating less. Just fucking eat less.

>>18302648
>>don't eat carbs
>>get headache
>>become fatigued
>>develop brain fog
>>become nauseous
>>become constipated
>>develop insomnia
Lmao why are you my elderly mother? You get all this by not eating enough bread?

>>18303421
Yeah but it's easier to maintain than other meme diets because it's just "eat during this time block" and not "remove entire nutritive sources from your diet."

>>18303352
agree with your post, except bread is not a "bad carb" unless you're eating the kind that's full of corn syrup and sugar and other BS

regular-ass flour-water-salt bread is good for you.
especially sourdough.

>>18303423
>ad hom
>strawman
Ketolards really are brainlets

>>18303420
You can feed your gut flora with fermented foods like yogurt which promote a healthy gut biome. Which is preferable to flooding your stomach with over processed carbs and manufactured oils which bloat the gut.

Also, you didn't mention a nutrient specific to carbs, you can get many or all the nutrients in legumes from other food with higher quality protein.

>>18303429
Don't worry gramps, I can tuck you in after you take your fiber gummies and take out the dentures.

The easy way to know keto is shit is athletes fucking hate it. It just leaves you tired and low energy. Best case scenario is it doesn't negatively impact you but pretty much every athlete says it's shit and not good for your health. The only people that swear by it are lardos and occasional roided up gym bros who die of heart disease at 35-45.

>>18303431
>You can feed your gut flora with fermented foods
>you can get many or all the nutrients in legumes from other food

even if you /can/, that doesn't mean you /should/.
also, no need to move the goalposts with "processed carbs and manufactured oils which bloat the gut". Homemade whole grain sourdough, for example, is a fermented food, a clean carb, and with quality flour also a good source of protein, fiber, and micronutrients. It also literally costs pennies to make.

Legumes and whole grains are the most resource efficient foods per nutritional and energy unit both for the earth or us to produce agriculturally and for our bodies to use.

>>18303437
Thanks, I get cold at night. Your diet is still shit but you're a good boy even if you're a retard. *head pats*

>>18303431
>You can feed your gut flora with fermented foods like yogurt
So...just break the keto diet and eat the yogurt with carbs in it?

>>18303431
>Also, you didn't mention a nutrient specific to carbs, you can get many or all the nutrients in legumes from other food with higher quality protein.
You literally sound like a vegan at this point justifying your shit diet by grasping at all of these "substitutes" and "alternatives" to try and get what you need. How about just don't eat your shit diet?

>>18303445
imagine that, if you starve your body of the most efficient source from which it can produce glycogen and ATP you become a sluggish fuck

stinky kelards have zero common sense

I do 3-4 hours of high-intensity cycling and running per day.

If you think I can do that without eating 500g of carbs you've lost your fucking mind.

There's no way to get that much energy from non-carb sources without massive drawbacks

>>18303450
Most people get their carbs that way. Bread flour protein is low quality, and fiber isn't a necessary macro or micro nutrient. You stated that not eating carbs would cause malnutrition, but so far you've just backed this up by claiming fiber is necessary for survival.

>>18303456
Yogurt - 6g of carb to 16g of protein. Enough that if you wanted to ketofag, you could have 4 servings and still be under 50g.

>>18303464
How are natural unprocessed foods like yogurt a "substitute"? Do you consider wine a substitute to distilled alcohol, or butter a substitute to margarine? People were eating meat before niggas started eatin' beans. And what do you mean "get what they need", we're talking about essential nutrients, reading comprehension.

>>18303474
fiber is highly beneficial for your gut and digestion. you argued that you can also help your gut in other ways with yogurt, I'm arguing that that's far less efficient than doing so with carbs.

>>18303524
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)00754-6

Fermented foods increase the gut microbiome and decreased inflammation markers compared to high fiber diets, though.

>>18303556
according to that same study, high plant fiber diets were also beneficial.

Since there are plenty of ways to have both high plant fiber and fermented foods (again, whole grain sourdough, no knead breads, kimchi and rice, etc), thus achieving the combined maximum benefit, I maintain my position that a diet with carbs is more efficient than a ketogenetic diet at supporting gut health.

>>18303598
But this discussion is about malnutrition from "lack of carbs", not about gut flora from fermentation.

>>18302997
confirmed to possess up to 1 brain cell

>>18303622
an unhealthy gut flora (potentially from lack of fiber) may lead to malnutrition.

you can partially compensate for the lack of carbs with ferments, but it's not as efficient as doing so with carbs as well.

>>18303639
I've never had this issue normally/low carb/no carb, but I also don't eat like shit and eat bread all say. It's a lot easier to get light headed and fatigued on low fat/protein than low carb.

>>18303654
fat and protein are also very important nutrients
I don't think our diets should be low/no- in any of {carbs, fat, protein}.

>>18303556
Stop eating clown sugary fibre (MacDonalds/supermarkets) asap. Bread flour is top tier quality when kneaded, milled correctly, when of the correct wheat varieties and when leavened correctly. And absolutely necessary if you want to avoid bowel cancer at age 30.

Now search the internet on how to do things correctly and stop being misguided by marketeer filth.

>>18303424
this is entirely the case and we agree on this. I'm mostly just pointing out that people who claim it unlocks superhuman cognitive abilities or other pseud nonsense are deluded

>>18303420
Fiber is a technically a carb, but since it's indigestible and your body cannot turn it into glucose, it doesn't matter in regards to keto dieting. Most of a well-balanced keto diet is in fact high-fiber, but low sugar vegetables, even though meat/fat get memed around a lot.

>>18301887
Honestly are you retarded? You do eat some carbs which your brain takes and enjoys, and you absolutely don't need much.

I also personally know an oncologist, a cancer doctor for you oh low IQ anonymous, and he's the one that told me this. Why even speak if you just have no clue what you're even talking about.

>>18304288
your body makes all the glucose you need whether you eat carbs or not. the liver never shuts off its gluconeogenesis

>>18305100
yeah well you can make drinking water by condensing the moisture in air but it's much more efficient and straightforward to drink it out of the tap or from a bottle or from a stream.

energy should come from carbs

>>18290599
T. afraid of needles

>>18303120
are you retarded and trying to imply polyunsaturated fats do not exist?

>>18305585
he said polysaturated you fucking imbecile.

>>18305603
>getting this bent out of shape over a typo
(you)

>>18295710
>limiting fishing is destroying fisheries
literally the opposite you faglord

any ketofags have a good replacment for bread crumbs in meat balls/loaf?
i was thinking about using parm cheese

>>18306108
Cyanide works well for people with your IQ.

>>18303427
very based
High quality whole grain bread is nutritious and is actually a decent source of protein.

>>18306121
The more I infer from that the dumber you sound. But i doubt you could fathom why.

>>18303717
Epigenetics is not a delusion.

>>18306108
You don't need to use bread crumbs in meatloaf and meatballs

>>18305405
NO REFUNDS RETARDED MUDBLOOD VAXXIE LMAO

>>18306870
you do if you don't want it to suck and be crumbly
pretty much every recipe has egg and bread crumbs

>>18306879
The slime from the egg glues the meat.

>>18306904
i heard some people using crumbled up pork rinds but i really can't imagine how that would taste

>>18290582
Keto in unironically fine for NEETS of 4chan. You guys aint doing anything physical anyway LOL. Carbohydrates is short term high octane energy and why do you need that sort of energy when you’re sitting down

>>18307071
Ultra endurance athletes can improve performance using carbohydrate restriction

>>18307071
i'm not keto but modern diet is way over carbed, just eating what you think would be keto without checking labels you you are probably get a healthy dose of carbs, i ate a salad with some baked chicken and still wound up with 40 gram of carbs

>>18307052
Plain ones would probably be fine but the pork rinds thing I've mostly seen as coating for frying as opposed to filler

>>18290582
I am not eating your slave gruel goyslop, sorry.

>>18307151
No they fucking don't. The vast majority of endurance athletes, bikers, olympians etc use carb cycling. Meaning they eat a fuckton of carbs on any day they intend to do a lot of exercise and dial it back on days they don't train or have competitions. On average, they eat a metric fuckton of carbs.

>>18307071
>Keto in unironically fine for NEETS of 4chan.
It would be but most of the fat fucks on here have bad health already. What do you think a bunch of salty, oily, high cholesterol foods and meats does to your heart?

>>18302917
>t. skelly

>>18307692
>What do you think a bunch of salty, oily, high cholesterol foods and meats does to your heart?
According to every single study on the matter ever performed, it increases cardiovascular health. Sorry jew we just aren't eating the goyslop anymore.

>>18307723
lol, always love incel and ketolard """research""". Then all of them wind up dead from heart disease before they're 40.

>>18307726
lol, I always love jewish consensus cracking. It's entirely ineffective and everyone can tell you're a jewish child molester.

>>18307735
>everyone that mocks my shitty fad diet is a jew
Take your meds, touch grass. Oh and double up on all the bacon, butter, oil, and salt for me. The sooner you drop dead from heart disease, the better.

>>18307753
Nope, just you. Kike.