/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>18036417
yes.
yoga pants.
also black negros do not drink bourbon.

>>18036437
It says "Tennessee Whiskey", anon...

>>18036447
yes.
black nergos do not drink it.
you are just racist.

>>18036417
It is a bourbon, they're just autistic about it and created a separate category called "Tennessee whiskey" because it's filtered through charcoal.

>>18036417
>3 liter bottle
god damn, never even seen one that big

>>18036417
No, bourbons are specifically made in Kentucky, like how scotch is made in Scotland.

>>18036417
yes, it's piss alright

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ved2go9zEGw

>>18036417
Yes
>>18036501
Not true, Bourbon is a legal term defined in trade agreements, the sole geographic requirement is made in US, not Kentucky

>>18037243
>made in US
Canada too, I believe

>>18036472
It is not according the FDA, it doesnt have the right mix of Corn to Rye mash to be classified as a bourbon. This is why they made up the term Tennessee Whiskey

>>18037274
> it doesnt have the right mix of Corn to Rye mash to be classified as a bourbon.
What?
I thought it just had to be 51% to be bourbon. Aging and origin taken into consideration, of course.
Isn't Jack 80% corn?

>>18037243
Fuck off you are as wrong as two boys fucking.

>>18037269
No, Canadian whiskey (which can be quite good) is Canadian Whiskey, not Bourbon
The Canadian Government is signatory to trade agreements that reserve the term "Bourbon Whiskey" to American Products, presumably they received some small concession on Canadian products in return
I've heard Canadians do distill some corn based whiskey that is similar to bourbon for blending, but I would be shocked if they did this in single use white oak barrels which is a profligate expense for something that can't legally be labelled as a bourbon

>>18037283
it's been altered since then, grandpa

>>18037274
>>18037281
The requirement is minimum of 51%, Jack meets that
>>18037283
Jack has succesfully sued the US governemnt to not be classified as a bourbon for branding but they meet all the legal requirements of bourbon
Jack is at least 51% corn
Jack is made in US
Jack is aged in single use white oak barrels
Jack is correct proof
Jack is definitely bourbon, they just label it differently because they want to be distinct from their competitors

>>18037289
Bullshit you lying fuck.

>>18037286
Huh.
No clue why I thought Canada was included.

>>18036417
Technically yes. It meets all of the legal requirements to be considered bourbon, but the company prefers to market it as Tennessee Whiskey.

>>18036496
i don't think its legal to sell anything bigger then a 1.75L to the public, these are just for bars

>>18037434
In Canada our liquor stores have some massive bottles that are about 5L+

>>18036501
The Federal Standards of Identity for Distilled Spirits, codified under 27 CFR §5.22(b)(1)(i), states bourbon made for U.S. consumption[21] must be:

Produced in the United States and Territories (Puerto Rico) and the District of Columbia[23]
Made from a grain mixture that is at least 51% corn[24]
Aged in new, charred oak containers[24]
Distilled to no more than 160 (U.S.) proof (80% alcohol by volume)[24]
Entered into the container for aging at no more than 125 proof (62.5% alcohol by volume)[24]
Bottled (like other whiskeys) at 80 proof or more (40% alcohol by volume)[25]

>>18037283
>>18037312
>>18037450
get a life you obese manchild

>>18037526
You're on a fucking board dedicated to food and cooking.
Why the fuck are you even here

>>18036417
legally maybe but no. not made in kentucky.

>>18037550
*bourbon county

>>18037560
>>18037550
*America

>>18037545
To make himself feel better about his miserable life by shitting on other people's hobbies.

>>18037545
>>18037607
Pathetic samefag. Obviously I'm not calling you a manchild for talking about food or cooking, but for having such strong and angry opinions about this pedantic point. You must really have nothing gone in your life that this matters to you so much.

why is it that whiskey, in particular, attracts the biggest autists?

>>18037692
pedantry is the thing that matters in this context. jfc.
>>18037705
it isn't, people get this same way with wine, they invented a job for it. anything with details that matter attracts autists, details are what tickles the autistic part of the brain. trains, planes, bird watching, whiskey tastings, linux/unix, ect. anything with complexity that depends on that complexity for what it is.

>>18037733
>pedantry is the thing that matters in this context. jfc
Of course but you don't have to cry about it, faggot. I'm sorry whiskey and pizza hut personal pan pizzas are all you have to live for but that doesn't mean you can't find a way to be mentally stable when you talk about it.

>>18037298
Jack and other Tennessee Whiskies do often meet the legal requirements to be labeled as bourbons, but go the extra step of charcoal filtering, which as far as I'm aware no Kentucky Bourbons do. Some people say that the charcoal filtering doesn't really make a difference and it's still bourbon. Maybe in the barrel aged stuff that may be harder to discern, but having had moonshine straight from the still, same bath, some charcoal filtered, and some not, I can definitely say it helps. As far as legal Tennessee Whiskies go, I think Jack Single Barrel is my preferred, Bourbon - Evan Williams 1783 is good for the money.

>>18037799
>that pic
this is what happens when you grow up without a father

>>18037773
I was even the guy you were talking to, I just find your position absurd.

>>18037814
That's because you have autism

>>18037799
being casked in charred oak barrels is already charcoal filtering, that;s the whole point of the char.

>>18037811
Projecting much? My dad was always a beer drinker rather than a whiskey man, but he loved Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms up until the day he passed. Thanks for being awesome, Dad.

>>18037820
no I think you are just a douche really. no one is forcing you to be here.

>>18037834
So now you've given up on calling it "absurd" and you're just saying "you're mean!!!" for calling you out for being an angry autist who can't handle different views on bourbon lmao

>>18037842
no it is absurd. and I didn't say you're being mean, I said you were being a douche, a.k.a. needlessly antagonistic well beyond the level needed for our current discussion. just chill a bit?

>>18037866
How does a person end up turning out as pathetic as you?

>>18037869
there you go again. stay angry anon. but never do anything constructive with that anger, just sit there an seethe in it.

>>18037878
You seem to have some strong feelings about this, did I touch a nerve?

>>18037825
Dramatically less filtration happens naturally in barrel than happens when you pour the whiskey directly though filters and force it via gravity.

>>18037881
you are the only touchy one here, do what you want, but people don't have to like it.

>>18037887
it's a marketing gimmick, pure and simple. justify it if you want, but that's all it is.

>>18037825
this is wrong fyi. the char is for flavor and color...

>>18037896
>but people don't have to like it.
You might actually be retarded

>>18037906
well, we know you are.

>>18037896
bro just stop responding to this tard and let this bad thread die. hes obviously trolling you

>>18037901
Believe what you want, anon, but I suggest you try making some moonshine and filter it as an experiment. You'll see the difference.

>>18037908
That was pathetic but at least it constituted a tangible comeback this time, you're improving.

>>18037904
filtration is a natural by product as the barrel breathes.

>>18037916
moonshine isn't JD. a hoochery indawoods is going to be inherently poorer quality than the facilities of world class master distillers. moon shine is also not aged.

>>18037526
Youre reading this thread you dumb bitch.
Presumably you read the subject heading before opening this page.
It's not our fault you had to learn something today ya cunt.

>>18037942
seek professional help

>>18037932
All whiskey starts out white, anon. JD is moonshine that got left in a barrel until someone decided it's brown enough to sell. I've had plenty of "indawoods hoochery" that's been far better than the garbage that sits on the shelves at many liquor stores. Is it comparable to higher end whiskeys? Not really, but for the average ~<$60 Whiskey? You can definitely do it at home.

>>18037973
leaving it in the barrel does the same thing that charcoal filtering does for moonshine, charcoal filtering it before barreling it is superfluous.

>>18037989
See >>18037887

Filtration in barrel is minimal compared to actual forced filtration. Rolling the barrel down a ramp and then throwing it on a shelf for a few years does not achieve the same result. Once you hit the typical age of a bottled whiskey it's hard to pick up on the difference since you'd obviously introduced far more flavors into the drink from the wood, but there is absolutely a difference. I again urge you to try it yourself and see. Or you can just go buy whatever whiskey you like and enjoy it rather than arguing about nuanced subjects that the average person will never test or verify. They would not hang on to the extra cost of charcoal filtering process if it did not provide any tangible benefit, even if it is minor.

>>18036472
>It is a bourbon
Technically, yes.
But it's also a sour mash, which (IMO) should be a separate category.
I like most bourbon, but don't like sour mash.

>>18038014
I would like to try, unfortunately I can't run a still in a 3rd floor apartment, so I settle for BIAB barley wine

>>18037919
its not really filtration. more sedimentation/flocculation.

Do you guys wanna smoke cigars and sip bourbon in my leather and wood man room?

>>18038041
there are neither of those things going on with a distilled spirit being put into a barrel. the barrel literally absorbs the alcohol and the forces it back out as the seasons change. that's why barrel houses are not climate controlled.

>>18037526
Lmao at this fag

>>18038052
>my leather and wood man room
Sounds kinda gay.
So....
I'm in!

>>18037526

>>18037811
Blatantly untrue, my dad is awesome and I had a great childhood

>>18037705
Because many fine establishments, cigar clubs and other groups don't carry it because it is not a bourbon. And those that drink the swill will screech that there jack and coke is the finest bourbon Tennessee can make.

>>18038108
Kaiser is that you? If it is stop being a sperg and come back.

>>18038071
>>18038098
you are not convincing

>>18037799
Personally I don't really like Jack desu, Wild Turkey is my preferred in that price point, with Jim Beam and Seagram's 7 acceptable alternatives
But I don't question that Jack has a taste that is very distinct, or that Charcoal filtering probably has something to do with that (maybe)
Still, Jack very clearly meets the legal requirements to be sold as Bourbon in the US and abroad, Jack just declines this for branding purposes

>>18037283
based /alc/ that Stewart Berkshire, Deputy Commissioner of the GloboHomo booze department. How do you get that job?

>>18038313
wasn't trying to be

>>18037545
He's an obese literal child

>>18037286
There are craft distillers up here that are doing it, but very very few. To get around it, one distillery called it "berbon" because they use a variety of corn called Taber

>>18036496
>>18037434
>>18037449
I noticed that myself and at first wondered if that was a plastic bottle but then also noticed that on the label the 3L is written as 3,0 notice the comma and not the decimal point. Dollars to donuts that's an export bottle, likely not to Canada since wouldn't that require dual language?

>>18037526
Fucking based seethe inciter

>>18037449
The prices are pretty atrocious, but it's par for the course.

>>18038587
>But I don't question that Jack has a taste that is very distinct,
It's a sour mash, and that trumps the impact on taste more than being a bourbon.

>>18038587
It's as distinct of making me want to puke, oh those nice subtle stomach flavors

>>18038587
There's only like 10 distilleries that are allowed to call themselves "Tennessee Whiskey" so Jack (being the ones who invented the charcoal filtering that "differentiates" it from bourbon) is going to wear that label proudly.

Even if they're not the best Tennessee whiskey.

>>18039380
>"differentiates" it from bourbon
JEEBUS FUCKING CHRIST
I've posted this several times already, but here goes:
1) It IS bourbon.
2) The distinct taste come from it also being a sour mash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sour_mash
>Sour mash (or sourmash) is a process used in
>the distilling industry that uses material from an
> older batch of mash to start the fermentation of
>a new batch, analogous to the making of >sourdough bread with a starter.[1]

>>18039439
>1) It IS bourbon.

that's why I put quotation marks around it retard

>>18036417
Yes it meets all the requirements for bourbon, even the charcoal filtering falls within bourbon's rules.

>>18036417
According to that one movie I seen with Kevin Costner talking about it, he said it wasn’t a bourbon but a sour mash instead (and yes it felt like autism when I heard it)

>>18040062
Get ready for more autism, most bourbons and Whiskey as a whole is sour mash.

Whats the average price for a 1L Jack Daniels bottle in America? In my country its around $35. Is this a good price?

>>18036417
Jack is really good bourbon

>>18040286
It can go for $30 - $35 here with heavy taxes

>>18040293
>It can go for $30 - $35 here with heavy taxes
Damn so its a literal bargain since every goddam whiskey here is sold almost at 2x the price in the US

>>18040293
>Jack is really good bourbon
Gotta disagree you can find much better stuff for the price, like old tub, or wild turkey 101.
Even Jim Beam is better.

>>18037811
that is motherless behaviour desu

>>18040308
None of that stuff is much better it’s all equivalent

>>18037298
Charcoal filtering of the distillate before going into a NCOB disqualifies JD from being Bourbon.

>>18036417

>>18040296
They make it up in volume

>>18040333
WE KNOW.

>>18040324
Nah

>>18040342
>posted with caps lock because triggered

>>18040381
Yes, reposts trigger me. Autism website.

>>18040074
>most bourbons and Whiskey as a whole is sour mash.
[citation needed]

>>18036417
NIGGERS!

>>18038024
whats the difference?

>>18040333
some of us are able to drink in moderation. i dont even get tipsy

>>18038108
>that pic
womanbrain faggot.

>>18036417

>>18040867
damn, Ja/ck/ is making cocktails now?

>>18040858
>difference?
They're not mutually exclusive.
Bourbon is a smokey, barrel-aged, American whiskey made mostly from corn.
Sour mash is a whiskey that includes part of an old mash to strt the new mash fermenting, like sourdough bread.

>>18037434
>>18039162
In Australia you can buy these

>>18040955
Out of interest, what does that cost in Aussieland, like 499 AUS Dollarys?

>>18040867
Ahh, so a plastic bottle.
I was right on my first suspicions.

>>18040867
What kind of girly men are you that you can't lift up a simple plastic bottle?

Shit people.
I'm off to kill or capture a preditor and get some tech and here I am wondering about girly men.

>>18040864
nogunz cope

>>18038108
Extremely BASED gun

You know how much the bourbon I drink costs? 6€ for 70cl.
Coope and seethe autistic alcoholics.

>>18039439
You don't even understand the shit that you've been spamming all day. Terms mean different things in different contexts, this is fundamental to understanding the law.

>>18040382
retard

these are pretty much all I drink nowadays
$2 bucks a can

>>18041449
clearly you have homosexual tendencies and shoud kys right now

>>18041312
>You don't even understand the shit that you've been spamming all day. Terms mean different things in different contexts,
Nope.

>>18040971
He is a jack drinker

>>18037830
sounds like the other anon hit it spot on

>>18040293
Jack is OK bourbon, but if you're paying $35 for it you're getting ripped off. Around me, at least, you can get so much better for $35.

>>18040798
Sour mash is just a process.
https://bourboninspector.com/sour-mash-vs-bourbon/

>>18040293
Jack really isn't anything special

>>18042318
Yeah I generally don't buy it because of that. I guess it's just really popular around here and stuff like Jim Beam is a lot cheaper, sometimes on sale at $18 a handle

>>18039162
You're right that OP's pic isn't from Canada but we do have them (with bilingual labeling). A 3L bottle of hard liquor is called a Texas mickey here

>>18042441
>Sour mash is just a process.
...and any whiskey made using this process.
I've never said otherwise.

>>18041324
You sure are.

can I diet and drink whiskey on the rocks and be okayish

>>18043969
If you manage your macros and follow CICO, sure.
But it's hard and not recommended.

>>18040962
$259

>>18043969
>can I diet and drink whiskey on the rocks and be okayish
I did this for years. Just don't overdo the diet and don't drink 5 liters of whiskey a week for years on end.

>>18045257
>don't drink 5 liters of whiskey a week for years on end.

this is just good advice in general

>>18039177
>33 canuckbucks per 750 of jameson
not awful

no. picrel is

>>18045837
damn those look tasty

>>18043645
ok, just read the article it says most whiskey is made sour mash.
Only one I can think of that is big is wilderness trail that uses sweet mash.

>>18038183