/ck/ - Food & Cooking

they would be making poop cheese and other nasty shit

The eyes of the japanese cannot make the cheese

the heat of the rice cooks the cheese

"cheese" is one thing as far as the japanese are concerned, in the same way that bread is one thing

Real answer?

Because their dairy “tradition” didn’t start until post-war when kids started being given milk with school lunches.

But they’re working on it. Hokkaido in particular is becoming known (in Japan) for its cheese and actually has quite a few artisan cheesemaking operations considering how “new” the tradition is.
Hokkaido blue cheese is particularly good.

>>17887874
Unironically because Asians can’t digest milk very well. Japanese barely drink milk at all. It’s considered more of a treat for kids the same way ice cream is. Milk in Asian countries is very expensive compared to the USA and Europe since there is no tradition of dairy farming there. You pretty much have to go to specialty shops to even purchase milk in some parts of Asia.

>>17887874
All of their cheeses would taste like licking the ocean floor

>>17887874
>be jap
>everybody eats fish and rice and is healthy
>be westerner
>add solidified dairy fat to every food item and wonder why they are fat

Geee, I wonder why japs aren’t falling over themselves trying to eat more cheese?? It’s almost like they know something we don’t…

>>17888059
More than half of central and southern Europeans and more than half of Indians are lactose intolerant, they still have a cheese culture. It’s more likely Asians don’t have a dairy culture because cows weren’t reared as much in those areas owing to topography.

>>17888112
>stomach cancer blocks your path

>>17887946
>Because their dairy “tradition” didn’t start until post-war when kids started being given milk with school lunches.
This was either an asspull or you got your wars mixed up.
Japan's three major dairy producers all started up post-Restoration after WW1: Meiji Dairy (1917), Morinaga (1917), and Megmilk (1923). These were all common household names before WW2 even began.
Japan's school lunch law wasn't enacted until much later in 1954, but milk and dairy products weren't unknown in Japan before this.

>>17888059
>Unironically because Asians can’t digest milk very well. Japanese barely drink milk at all.
While around 80% of Japan has lactose intolerance, it's no exaggeration to say EVERYONE there drinks milk. Milk developed a weird cultural status in Japan post-Restoration as basically being a sort of health drink. It wasn't an everyday thing due to the fact that Japan's domestic dairy production had trouble supplying the country, and thus milk was rather expensive because they had to import much of it. It became much more ubiquitous in the 50s when Japan began to subsidize local dairy initiatives and stopped relying on imports. Milk or other dairy products like yogurt drinks are common household staples.

Lactose intolerance varies widely and while most Japanese people are lactose intolerant, serious reactions are rare. Most Japanese people only suffer mild or no noticeable symptoms when consuming milk.

>>17887874
Megmilk has actually been producing cheese in Hokkaido since 1928.

>>17887874
because they are lactose intolerant, and the cheese they do have is fucking terrible

>>17887874
They already made natto. They don't need to be making cheese.

>>17888198
Japanese cheesemaker at Megmilk's Toasa factory, 1935.

>>17888215
Ad for Megmilk's Snow brand of slice cheese, 1963

>>17888221
Tin of Megmilk's Snow brand Hokkaido Camembert, 1962

>>17888215
>>17888221
>>17888239

>>17888246
Yes.jpg

>>17887874
Only people of Indo-European descent can easily digest cheese

>Small island
>Millions of Ching Chongs
>Cows
It wasn't in the cards

>>17888277
Japan's bigger than the UK and historically had a rather small population before the Meiji Restoration.

>>17887874
they are, slowly
just like how Kobe has a decent wine and craft beer scene now
except instead of nice, local camembert or brie for $3 like in other countries it's gunna be honorabru cheese folded over 2000 times so they can sell it at a premium to the chinese

>>17887874
>japs produce milk in frigid frozen northern tundra
>aussies produce milk in steaming humid northern tropical jungles
so which is correct?
cold cow?
hot cow?
or are cows just better if they're 'north'?

>>17887874
Why are they called zipperheads?

>>17888900
Cows are pretty diverse, even in their dairy breeds. Holsteins tolerate a lot of climates well, and Australia also has its own custom dairy breed, the Aussie Red. Japan almost exclusively raises Holsteins, which originated in a northern European climate.

>>17888117
>they still have a cheese culture
Unintentional pun funny

>>17888900
Hokkaido is hardly a frozen tundra anon; its at basically the same latitude as Oregon or southern France.

Aren't Asians genetically predisposed to lactose intolerance?

>>17889013
As previously mentioned, lactose intolerance varies and is particularly mild/symptomless in many of its carriers unless they overdo it. To mention, cheeses and fermented dairy products contain fractional amounts of lactose compared to milk.
Most Japanese and Chinese people don't even consider themselves lactose intolerant despite falling into that category.

>>17889004
>frozen tundra
>hardly a frozen tundra
i know you're pretending to be retarded for easy (You) dopamine hits anon but 1800-come-the-fuck-on

>>17889021
Officially, Hokkaido's biome is: temperate broadleaf/deciduous and mixed forests. They're basically akin to the PNW with the occasional harsh winter paired with a rainy/cold climate.

>>17889021
It's taiga, not tundra. Moron.

>>17889013
Yes, lactose intolerance is much more common in East Asians, but they can still drink small amounts of milk and be fine. And many kinds of cheese have very little lactose in them - aged cheese tend to have little, if any lactose, while the more fresh, wet type cheeses (like ricotta or cream cheese ) tend to have more; note even those have a lot less lactose than milk.

>>17889030
>>17889037
cool anons good for you
but fact still stands that they get literal meters of snow fall every week for half of the year
if that's not a frozen fucking wasteland then i dont know what is

>>17889090
And? We get 2+ metres a year in the BC lower mainland. Snow is a part of a temperate rainforest climate. Tundra means dry and cold.

>>17888295
Most of Japan is mountainous and they always had double the population of England.

>>17887874
Do people really don't tolerate milk? I can drink as much of it or eat as much cheese as I want and be fine and I'm not even American

>>17887874
how do you make cheese out of fish?

>>17888112
>dairy fat
>not the corn syrup

>>17888112
>>be westerner
>>add solidified dairy fat to every food item and wonder why they are fat

You mean
">be angloid"

>>17889249
I thought he meant French?

>>17889379
ah yes the french

Dumb westerners would pay handsomely for wagyu cheese.

>>17888188
>but milk and dairy products weren't unknown in Japan before this.
I didn’t say it was unknown. I used the term “tradition”, as in an integrated part of daily life for most people.
Sure it’s been used there in varying degrees since a long time before those dairies opened.
But you can’t really say it was a population-wide dietary staple until the school lunch program. Hell, you arguably couldn’t really call it a “staple” even today.

>>17887874
amerilard detected

>>17889494
>Hell, you arguably couldn’t really call it a “staple” even today.
But I did... In that very post...

>>17889862
Well that would basically make you a retard whose understanding comes from some googling and maybe, at best, some secondhand “info” from YouTube.
So I’d like to give you the benefit of the doubt. You’re making it hard though.

>>17887874
Because most Asians are lactose intolerant so having a dairy industry in Japan never really made sense

>>17890066
japs and koreans fucking love milk and cheese tho
korean cuisine is literally just slapping cheese and hotsauce onto everything

>>17890069
Cheese doesn't have much lactose, and people who are lactose intolerant can usually still drink a small amount of milk before they get an upset stomach. But from a tradition point of view (pre-industrialization) it didn't really make sense for farmers to raise dairy cows when they couldn't consume or sell most of what they produced.

>>17889245
why would vegetables make poeple fat you stupid incel

>>17890085
2/10

>>17888112
Very low IQ post

It is not lack of cows, lack of milk, or presence of lactose intolerance. It is pairing. Cheese does not pair well with most Japanese cuisine.

>>17887874
>why does this country not have the traditions of a country a literal continent away
gee I don't know anon, why don't the Germans have a long history of cooking with tofu

>>17888072
sounds great

maybe we can get them to start milking whales instead of slaughtering them

>>17890069
Jap and Korean cheese are also hyper processed glop that's hardly food, let alone dairy.

>>17889381
MWAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!

>>17887874
Not everything coming out of that shithole is necessarily better than the rest, you pathetic weeb.

Ancient Japan had it.

>>17888902
When you run over their heads with a tank or half-track it looks like a zipper pattern.

Jap cheese data.

>>17891406
>implying OP said that
Your faggot ass is so desperate to show off your soyjack collection that you don’t even pay attention.

>>17887874
it's as simple as the japanese having no contact with the romans

>>17887874
No thanks, candied squid edam doesn't toot my horn.

>>17888117
Mainland Asia *and Japan too) has had cows for a very long time, but most of the time milk was not consumed by adults.