/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>17879956
Your mouth us the flavor of penism

>>17879956
Well you're the expert, maybe you should go back there.

>>17879956
it's because animefags think they have a right to name things.
the flavor is called "salty grease".

>>17879956
You mean the term created by the company that marketed MSG to sell their shit powder?

>reddit therefore bad
here have a japanese culture anon

>>17879956
(You)
Now run along, ya little scamp.

>>17879956
Bash on “umami” all you want but back the fuck off Kikkoman soy sauce or I’ll fuck you up the ass

>>17880333
imagine eating bullshit like soy sauce.

SHOW YOU

>>17879956
at least reddit actually exists

>>17880637
>he thinks websites are real
fucking zoomers.

Sometimes I hate this place so god damn much.

>>17880688
https://youtu.be/EaTBvAfFHo4

>>17880650
Websites are just tools that the birds use to spy on us.

>>17879956
>Umami is the Reddit of flavors
t. Tastelet

>>17879956
>Savory is the reddit of flavors
So what you're saying is you still eat like a child?

Umami was discovered before savory (Japanese people ate more than bread and their own feces thousands of years before Europe)

>>17879956
For some reason I know you consistently oversalt your dishes.
I can just imagine you tasting a dish and feeling it lacks something and your retaded mind going "it's salt definitely", and you adding it and still being unsatisfied with the result, because all of this time you were looking for umami. Also fuck posters like>>17880095, you can up the umami naturally without using pure msg powder once in your life, but you have to know how to cook actually

>>17879956
The worst part about umami isn't so much that it's a loanword, but the actual translation for 旨味 is literally just "Tasty Taste" and was originally made up back in 1908 as a marketing gimmick by the guy who invented powdered MSG. It's not some ancient indelible culinary term.

>"My goodness, what should we call this newly discovered essential taste?"
>"Uh... Tasty Taste? I dunno, I'm a chemist, not a writer."

>>17880875
The term "umami" literally only came into existence in the 20th century, while the term "savoury" has been around much longer.

>>17879956
imagine not enjoying something because of your fear of it being reddit
holy shit get the fuck off this website and go outside

>>17880908
>The term "umami" literally only came into existence in the 20th century, while the term "savoury" has been around much longer.
You are not immune to propaganda. Literal fucking Eurocentric delusion. Japanese as a language existed way before English, and the concept of being able to eat umami foods and describe them as umami also came way before. It would only in be in 1950 when the first use of "savoury" in description was used by an Englishman when he was served a dish described as umami on the menu when touring in Japan; as no white person had ever eaten umami foods; culture and diversity, even spice, doesn't exist in European/American cooking), the only food they know can only be described as "sugary/sweet" and "terrible."

The Japanese actually have another obscure meme flavour that nobody ever talks about: kokumi, or "richness".

>>17880935
>Eurocentric

>>17880935
this is so completely fucking wrong and nonfactual. the mental gymnasties weebs will go through to justify bugpeople is literally sickening

>>17880935
I know you're just being a retard, but there were plenty of foods high in glutamate in europe. Aged cheeses, mushrooms, tomatoes. GARUM the roman fish sauce. Italians have their own fish sauce, and anchovies. Plenty of stuff, buddy.

>>17880941
>Kock-yumi

lmao do japs really?

>>17880954
All of those things were carried to China and traded on the silk road before they made their way into Europe, and they were still only bought and consumed by Asian immigrants until like 1905. Even accounting for that, the Japanese were calling them umami foods thousands of years before Europeans thought to call them 'savoury' because he couldn't pronounce umami.

>>17880935
Hilarious that you posted a picture of yourself to go along with your rant. You're delusionally revisionist and ignorant of the fact that yeast products, cheese, and fermented fish existed thousands of years ago in Europe. Furthermore, the Japanese had NO WORD for this taste before Ikeda Kikunae's discovery of glutamic acid's interaction with human taste receptors.

Oh, yeah, and glutamic acid was actually discovered half a century earlier Karl Heinrich Ritthausen. Ikeda just discovered its unique interaction and named it "umami".

>>17880966
>Aged cheeses, mushrooms, tomatoes. GARUM the roman fish sauce. Italians have their own fish sauce, and anchovies.
>they were still only bought and consumed by Asian immigrants until like 1905
...Are you having a stroke?

>>17880966
Are you okay?

Please show me one source that shows parmigiano reggiano being traded on the silk road.

You miss my point completely. Remember how you said no white person has eaten umami foods? You're objectively wrong. Umami taste comes from foods high in glutamate doesn't matter where.

Don't tell me the romans didn't love their garum, you mongoloid.

>>17880966
>the french didn't eat cheese until 1905
>the italians didn't eat anchovies until 1905
>the ancient romans didn't consume garum until 190-bloody-5
Yes.

>>17880971
>ignorant of the fact that yeast products, cheese, and fermented fish existed thousands of years ago in Europe
Brought and consumed by Japanese immigrants, first discovered in Japan, described as "umami" when Europeans still lived in caves.
the Japanese had NO WORD for this taste before Ikeda Kikunae's discovery of glutamic acid's interaction with human taste receptors.

>Oh, yeah, and glutamic acid was actually discovered half a century earlier Karl Heinrich Ritthausen. Ikeda just discovered its unique interaction and named it "umami".
More brainwash American-focused datekeeping. Japan discovered it in the true equivalent of the 400s BC, but because they recorded dates differently; Americans confused the year of one emperor for another; thus resulting in mistranslations (Europeans are incapable of learning Japanese)

>>17880893
>>17880900

Cry more msg shill

>>17880977
>>17880979
>>17880987
There were large Asian immigrant populations in those countries who were the sole consumers of umami foods. I'm sorry your eurocentric history books missed that well-known fact.

>>17880998
B8 warning. You can't seriously be this dumb.

Provide one primary source.

>>17880998

>>17881005
Asian people don't exist, yellow centric faggot

>>17880979
Parmigiano Reggiano has an equivalent Japanese name which is the actual original; and would have been standard affair on the Silk Road even among housewives: パルメザン地図. Consult histories and ledgers with this knowledge, and you'll see it written down.

>>17881001
I posted against using msg, retard. Learn to read maybe before starting posting

This isn't even fun pretend stupidity anymore. I'm out.

>>17881020
Wrong. White people did it better. Cope and seethe more lil tard boy.

>>17880908
Umami is specific - the note above saltiness that comes from amino salts. Savoury can be anything that isn't sweet. The herb Savoury certainly isn't sweet, but it isn't savoury in a way that umami describes.

THIS THREAD IS FULL OF RACISM. YOU HAVE ALL BEEN REPORTED TO THE PROPER AUTHORITIES. HAVE A NICE DAY

>>17879956
it's legit "protein flavor", but it still needs salt to be noticeable

why are you fagging so hard

>>17879956
Yeah ill use it alot I just don't say I do cause it has that lingering cringe effect with it

>>17880941
Another one I've heard is karakuchi for dry beer.

>>17879956
>starts a retarded ass thread because he wants validation and reassurance from other retards
>calls anything else “buzzmeme website I don’t like”
Holy fuck how do you actually wake up in the morning as a zoomer dumbshit and not kill yourself? I certainly would.

Mayo is good to add a little Umami in any dish