/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Whetstones, meet the Whetstones, they will help you sharpen knives, you see.
Ceramic, maybe diamond, but the Arkansas is right for me.

>>17801660
King KDS has amazing tactile feedback. I have a few Chosera and Shapton stones, but I keep coming back to that King KDS 1000/6000 combo stone that cost a fraction of what the others did.

Anything beyond a a brick you scavenged from a demolition site is an overpriced meme.

The one that works best for the tool I'm sharpening ...

For larger knives and plane irons and wide chisels the interrupted surface 'polka dot' diamond ones are hard to beat and last longer before going out of true if you take care of them.

The main drawback with them is that they can catch points and tips of small blades and chisels, gouges, etc. For those a continuous surface is best and I have multiple ones that are worn in to various shapes. Honestly with those I've used lots across a wide range ofvpricecand allegedly corresponding quality and paying 3-4 times what a cheap one costs doesn't make one 3-4 times as good. It will however make you 3-4 times as mad if you drop and break it.

>oh hey! Instead of being smart and just using a rock to cut things, let’s make a knife out of metal!
>and then, let’s buy a fucking rock anyway so we can use it to make the metal sharp!
The copper age was a fucking mistake, and it’s why we have idiot zoomers.

>>17801703
>King KDS has amazing tactile feedback.

I found it to have an insouciant manner of engagement that bordered on imperiousness, along with a propensity towards acerbity when challenged.

>>17801660
Jnats and shapton ceramics.

>>17801660
I started with a $12 400/1000 waterstone and recently upgraded to a set of shapton ceramic waterstones .
>>17801729
>knapping
That takes about 100x longer than sharpening metal even if you're going into ultra high polishing

>>17801703
100% agree with you. The stone, especially on higher grits, is nice and soft and makes the whole sharpening thing feel quite smooth. I also use that 1000/6000 stone, the only issue is that my chinese cleaver feels a tad too big for it, but I have no issues with other knives. I even sharpen my mother's knives when I come during holidays. Working with actual, sharp knives is far more satisfying.

Same, 1000/6000 Waterstone. Works great on my relatively inexpensive knives.

>>17801757
Are you trying to say that the word "tactile" is too difficult for you to understand? What the fuck? You're a moron.

I bought a whetstone but Im retarded and couldn't sharpen my knife worth shit.

Bought one of those lansky systems and it just werks.

>oh hey! Instead of being smart and just using a rock to cut things, let’s make a knife out of metal!
>and then, let’s buy a fucking rock anyway so we can use it to make the metal sharp!
The copper age was a fucking mistake, and it’s why we have idiot zoomers.

missarka ultra

Shapton glass because I'm not poor.

>>17801757
Alright smart ass, what would you have said? "Rock feel good on grug hand"?
>captcha: 0P H8R

>>17801839
No. I'm saying that whetstone hipsterism is worthy of ridicule, and was testing the lack of self awareness/ sense of humor and quickness to seething indignation of a whetstone hipster in the field.

The experiment delivered spectacular results, especially when compared to real master Japanese carpenters i know who literally worship the spirit of the wood they work with and have tools made with ancient steel and don't give nearly as much of a fuck about whetstones as some douche in his garage waxing his moustache.

>>17801859
>chud cant into metal

>>17802021
That certainly makes more sense than pretending that an inanimate object with zero moving parts (literally made to be rock solid) generates "feedback".

>>17801729
i actually keked hard at this retardation

>>17802072
What is slurry and abrasive action.

What kind of retard uses a whetstone lol
Thats like handcranking your coffee beans in a grinder.


Pic related is what non retards use.

>>17802100
Not "feedback"

>>17802101
There's nothing wrong with using a manual coffee grinder, BITCH

>>17802072
>That certainly makes more sense than pretending that an inanimate object with zero moving parts (literally made to be rock solid) generates "feedback".

When you sharpen a knife on a whetstone, you have to move the knife to sharpen it. Yes, there are moving parts. Some stones have no friction, others have a smooth drag, others have a gritty drag. They all have different characteristics and sensations. Since you FEEL these sensations through your HAND, as a RESPONSE to the action of the moving parts, yes, "tactile feedback" is entirely the most appropriate phrase to describe it.

>>17802110
You are a moron. Fuck off.

I saved this from an anon's post:
Chosera 800 -> Rika 3k -> Strop on leather
Think it'll be good for vg10 stainless too?
What would I need to buy for this setup to also work on a carbon steel shaving razor?

>>17802155
Still not "feedback", Trevor.

>>17802168
>Feedback
>a reaction or response to a particular process or activity
Yep, it checks out. It's tactile feedback.

>>17802110
If you have enough skill and experience with your stone you can determine when you are done with a certain grit based on the feedback you get when using the stone.

Feedback includes both the sound and the feeling of the blade being sharpened.

With friable abrasive feedback also clues you in on when you need to refresh your slurry or how fine it has gotten as well.

Got it?

Unless you're a chef who actually cuts shit for hours on end, you redditors who cook for one twice a week and maybe spend 25 seconds each time chopping vegetables have no reason to be sharpening any knives

>>17802217
:( but muh hobby.

Those threads make me wonder if americans actually use honing rods ?

Keeps the knife sharp everyday, use stone or alternatively knife sharpener when edge feels dull, i usually sharpen/stone max twice a month because a good use of the honing rod keeps it sharp for a good while, technique does matter i'm glad some old butcher taught me how to use them.

>>17802101
$13 on Amazon. LOL Are the reviews any good?

>>17802198
Stone

"Reacts"? NO

"Responds"? NO

Just because you experience a sensation doesn't mean something is giving you "feeddback" you mong

>>17802216
>refresh your slurry

Do you use free range dolphin safe macadamia nut oil, deionized Himalayan Springwater, or a blend of the two? (72/28 goes without saying)?

>>17802331
See
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>>17802340
On my moonrocks yes, but with my jnats I only use water. Oil ruins them.

>>17802331
Must suck to be a knifelet.
I can literally sense when my stone’s chakras are in balance. And that is when I know the edge of my blade has reached monomolecular fineness.

>>17802402
>stone's chakras

Pathetic and highly inconsistent results.

I commune with the spirit that resides in my used jnats and they let me know without fail when my blades are finished. Get on my level, bro.

I grabbed a very nice $2 stone at the supermarket and its my favorite because of a very nice feel, but I am not sure if I'm supposed to soak it in water - I've heard that some cement based stones should not be soaked or they may brake (the stone is white, no idea what it's made of). Anybody knows if it's true or how to check it? It would be a shame to destroy such nice stone.

I use this. It was like $40-$50.
It works well enough. Does get the knife razor sharp, but I can feel a very big difference when cutting vegetables after I sharpen knives with it.

>>17801660
>>17802673
how to use these, does it take a long time to sharpen?

I got one of these because I can never manage to keep the knife at a consistent angle.

It's alright. It got all of my knives sharp but it only comes with a 250 grit and 600 grit lmoa

It also managed to pop a fucking dangerously sharp 8 inch kitchen knife out and send it flying across my kitchen. Don't sharpen when kids or pets around and underfoot.

>>17802693
There's a bunch of videos online that teaches you what you need to do which is going to show you how to sharpen a knife a lot better than 4chan comments.
But I'd say it takes about 10-15 minutest to sharpen a knife once you get used to it.

>>17801660
I have three stones.
A Norton medium India
A soft Arkansas stone
And a true hard Arkansas stone from Dans.
I'm very happy with the progression of grit sizes.
I've use similar stones in fish plants for most of my adult life so I'm very comfortable using them.

>>17802240
>honing rods
they suck

>>17802693
Buy or make an angle guide and look up the "sharpie trick"

Sharpness comes from a set consistent angle which is pretty much set at around 800-1000 grit (ceramic waterstone) so as long as you can keep it at a consistent angle you'll get it sharp quickly

>>17802240
My parents used to have one when I was a kid, but I don't think I ever saw them use it.
Do you use a normal honing steel or one of those ceramic/diamond ones that take away a lot of material (and do more than just honing)?
And is there a secret to the technique other than keeping the angle of the knife you are using (depends on the knife, I'd aim for factory angle), applying pressure and moving it up and down on the rod?
I don't use one but I feel like I should. At the moment I just sharpen my knives with a whetstone when they get dull, honing would probably mean I'd have to do that less often and be better for the knife.

>>17802862
Retard take

>>17802736
some guy on /k/ recommended this to me the other day and it is by far the best sharpening tool I've ever used.
Don't be a cheap nigger, buy the extra kit that includes the other 9 sharpening stones

>>17802240
Why would I waste money on one instead of just sharpening my knife. I'm not french/retarded

>>17801678
WILLLLLLLMAAAAAAAA

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>>17803204
Lol. Did you just make this?

>>17803231
Yeah. I still have the file, so if you want any minor changes, now is the time to ask for them.
I'm not even sure if the people on /ck/ know the meme, but I thought it was good enough to post even if they don't.

>>17803204
>>17803177
Do you need an adult?

>>17803282
I didn't like how the picture on the bottom overlayed the top of the f in "for", so I went back and moved the picture up a bit, then reposted it.

>>17803280
No clue on the meme, but I like that you included a jnat.

>>17803204
Needs to be a chart for cast iron skillets and for cutting boards you need to oil to be desu

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>>17803204

Imagine being THIS salty because your attempt at a burn didn't work out.

>>17803346
I thought about it. Issue is do you make it as a rant about cast iron or as a rant about nonstick pans? Both would work.
>>17803302
The meme is a set of images, all in the same format as the one I made, ranting about different topics, mostly computer and science related (Don't do engineering, math, computer science, deep learning, ipv6, unix, etc.) I'm not sure which one is the original, only that I have 12 different ones of these. Picrel was the first one I ever saw of these.

>>17803374
Lol well done.

>>17803013
Nah hes right

shapton glass 500/2000 reporting for duty

>>17803555
I find your pic compelling. The thing is that whatever works for each of us is relevant. I find that freehand stones work the best for me. Love that knife.

>>17803347
Imagine being salty enough to make that post just to claim that you deflected a "burn" on 4chinz

chosera 800 is very nice, but I've never tried anything else lol

I went straight for the expensive bullshit, I admit it

>>17803374
yeah the maths one is a classic. reminds me of my friend who lectures in physics and has spent the last year designing a quantum telescope that requires technology that won't exist for at least twenty years.

>>17801660
got that one but get more use out of a $10 chinese 400/1000

>>17803400
Yeah, nah.

>>17803347
Lol cry more, fag. This thread is now entertaining.
When is the last time you made some OC?
And no, I don’t mean posting a pic of some fucking stones.

>>17803845
I've never worked with high end whetstones like chosera, but I have worked with dirt cheap (sub 15$ for a combination whetstone) synthetic whetstones and they are honestly okay. Sure the sharpening takes longer than it would on a chosera, it will get used up much quicker and need more frequent straightening and feel worse, but it's overall fine.
The truth is - I'm a homecook, not a professional. It's easy to overcomplicate things, especially sharpening knives.
At the time my most expensive knife was a 20$ santoku, so why waste a good stone on that. When I need to flatten my synthetic stone I just rub it on the ground outside and if it gets used up, it gets used up.
I have thought about upgrading, but why? I can get a great edge even on my shun (that I have since gotten) and while it won't be razor sharp (though with some stropping I could get it there I guess) it'll be more than I need for cooking. If this stone gets used up I'll probably get some DMT diamond plates, because I like low maintenance.

My point being that probably 80% of the people on /ck/ are perfectly fine with a shitty cheap 400/1000 grit synthetic whetstone. Unless you have a really really hard steel it will get the job done just as well, if maybe not as fast. It's worth remembering that you don't need to pay top dollar.
That being said I admit I am a bit jealous of your chosera, from what I heard it is a lot more fun to sharpen on those compared to my piece of shit and it will certainly last a lot longer. Enjoy your stone anon, I'm sure it's a great choice.

>>17803555
What's the appeal of the glass stones? I feel like if I was spending 300+ I'd just say fuck it and get a wicked edge pro 3 or tomek

>>17803762
That's not how it works, kiddo.

>>17804260
Not that anon and I never checked if this was true, but I thought glass plates were basically like diamond plates, except less extreme, so they have basically the same advantages:
- Can be used quickly (no soaking or prepping)
- Much less dirt or waste, basically just the material of the knife coming off
- They come and stay relatively level. Less lapping needed during their lifetime and no danger of uneven grind due to bad leveling (no lapping for diamond, very little for glass)
- Supposedly they cut quicker than most synthetic or natural whetstones, which is a major plus because you don't need to do if to quite as long, but also means more material is being lost if you aren't careful.

So in those regards diamond and glass is pretty similar. The two areas where I think they differ quite a bit is
- Diamond can handle any steel you throw at it, glass can't. If your knife has a high carbide content, the glass won't work.
- The Glass ones seem much better for polishing. Granted there are good diamond brands (mostly dmt) supposedly making high grit versions, but most people seem to agree that if polish is what you want, glass is just plain better.

Then again I use a shitty noname synthetic stone and all of what I said is hearsay, so maybe some other anons can talk about their experiences and if what I said was right or wrong.

>>17804385
The shapton glass stones are a different abrasive adhered to a glass plate. They're just different and may warp less because of the glass. They are splash and go, but so are the shapton ceramics.

You're confusing them with something like a hard ark, or monocrystalline aluminum oxide or ruby.

>>17804414
As I said, I don't actually know anything about this topic other than random stuff I read, so that is totally possible. So basically those shapton glass stones are their own thing, due to the different abrasive?

If so, what are the up/downsides to DMT diamond plates? They seem to be similarly priced.

>>17804260
>What's the appeal
They just werks

> I feel like if I was spending 300+
??? It's the same as with any other decent stones, the lower grits aren't much money, the retard grits (like 16k and 30k) are retard money. I think the two in the pic cost me like $120 maybe? And then the stand which was maybe $40, I forgot. It's not an expensive setup at all

>and get a wicked edge pro 3 or tomek
Not sure what you're trying to say there. Wicked edge is a guided system. AFAIK you can get glass stones cut for wicked edge if you want. It's not either/or

>>17804385
Yeah, the lower grits dish, same with anything, but for how much metal they can cut through, the dish rate is really slow. And they cut really fast. My experience with diamonds has been negative, but I haven't tried the expensive ones

>>17804425
Yeah they have a different feel to them compared to the shapton ceramic line. Some pros and cons to both for sure.

Dmt diamond plates can and do wear out, but other than that they are super fast, and low maintenance.

Really cheap diamond plates are basically a metal plate with a strong diamond embedded tape adhered to the surface.

Expensive ones will embed the diamonds in the metal surface.

Also ignore monocrystalline AlOx I was confusing it for something else.

>>17804430
>My experience with diamonds has been negative, but I haven't tried the expensive ones
From what I heard with diamonds you really need to stick to the good brands. Monocrystalline is a must and honestly I'd only trust DMT at this point. I have heard some horrendous shit about other brands, from plates coming bent out of the factory, to diamonds not adhering properly, or even the grits being very inconsistent. If you tried something but DMT I wouldn't be surprised the experience was less than nice.
It may also depend on availability and pricing. A quick look shows me that I can get shaptons in reasonable grits ranging from 50-70€ (we ignore the retard grits as you pointed out). For comparison a coarse and fine DMT set (so two plates) is 150€, but comes with a stand, so pretty close. The finer ones are slightly more expensive though.
>>17804443
>Dmt diamond plates can and do wear out, but other than that they are super fast, and low maintenance.
They certainly do, but so do shaptons right? From what I heard a DMT plate should last you years (or even a decade or two) if you don't apply too much pressure (which seems to be the main issue users have with them, they need less pressure than whetstones) and are a homecook instead of a professional. No idea how long shaptons last, but I wouldn't be surprised if they lasted years too.
>Really cheap diamond plates are basically a metal plate with a strong diamond embedded tape adhered to the surface.
>Expensive ones will embed the diamonds in the metal surface.
Yeah if I ever upgrade I would only consider DMT Dia-Sharp plates honestly. Or if for some reason that I can't imagine they are unavailable and discontinued maybe a duo-sharp (though the marginally lower price is absolutely not worth it in my eyes).
I have read too many bad reviews of diamond stuff by other brands.

>>17804473
Yeah it was some shitty thing I got off CKTG back when I was still ordering from them. Cut well for about 3 seconds and then it was like nothing even there, just made noise without cutting any steel. Not even good for lapping. Just a rectangular piece of scrap metal

I guess I should reconsider my views and get some atomas or something, but my shaptons just werk, so probably not gonna happen

>>17804490
>but my shaptons just werk, so probably not gonna happen
In that case don't buy shit. Nothing is as good as the system you have and that works for you. You can upgrade if it stops working for some reason, but you seem happy with your setup, so fuck upgrading.

>>17804473
Yes all stones wear except maybe hard arks, but they're mega slow and not really necessary for kitchen knives.

Atoma plates are great as well. The main plate is aluminum and there is a thinner steel adhered on with the diamond. It remains very very flat. If your plate wears too much you can buy a new steel diamond plate for cheaper than a whole new one. Similar price to dmt.

>>17804505
True I heard good things about Atomas too. But those are far less available where I live (EU) and cost about 50% more than DMT plates. Probably a logistics problem, but that's why I didn't really consider them.

>>17801660
For me, it's the Spyderco Tri-Angle Sharpmaker®

>caring this much about knife sharpening

>>17804929
It really is monumentally hilarious, not just tool fags doing their sneering dance of superiority based on muh nuances that mere peons "dont understand" but doing over a tool whose purpose is to prepare other tools for use, and in the case of kitchen knives not even a use that requires that much in the way of precision or sharpness when compared to practically any other edged cutting tool.

It's like a bunch of house painters comparing notes about the "tactile feedback" offered by the Fleebner bi-metal stir stick or how if you *really* know how to break the seal on a tube of caulk you will understand that the poker rod being riveted to the caulking gun and made of stiff wire just can't match the accuracy of a forged titanium poker rod with ergonomic grip, but a leather grip, not synthetic because, well, if you know, you know...

The FACT that these preening fops blow right past is that master craftsmen have made literal wonders of the world for centuries without the benefit of the Royal Dominator X3000 UltraStone Supreme of whatever other device they are glorifying here, and that's FAR more demanding work than even the most advanced kitchen knife work ever imagined.

Finally, what tool fags always forget is that the old adage about a poor workman blaming his tools works both ways- with very, very few exceptions almost any work can be performed well using less than top of the line tools of that trade, and anyone who acts as if owning or using "the best" or even "superior" tools says anything about their skills or knowledge (or that of others who don't use them) is a larper essentially riding the coattails of those names to look cool and in the know.

Call them out and all they can do is sneer and call names and make up ridiculous bullshit about how precisely attuned they are.

>>17805077
poorfag cope

>>17805077
>t. TL;DR i have used a tool for a living

>>17802693
it takes about 5-10 knives to be good at it, or at least good enough you feel confidant on your good knives.

depending on how fucked the knife is, upwards 4 hours on a 400 grit, I HIGHLY recommend getting a sub 100 grit stone if your knife has visible chips, my first practice knife that was like this took 3 hours of reprofile work before all the metal that was chipped was gone,

once you have the knives sharpened, strop them before use and feel the edge, if you feel comfortable with poking it that means you should re sharpening, but at this point its still VERY sharp, so you can start on a higher grit stone, I think I start on a 2000-4000 grit for mine now, lower grits are really for reshaping edges if you let them get bad, you could probably start on 1000 grit... I should mention that my stones were cheap as fuck and I don't think the 1000-2000/4000-6000 grit stones are actually that high grit. if you got a good stones, 400 to clean the edge, 1000 to sharpen/polish is more than enough, maybe get some wet sand paper at higher grits for polish if you want them pretty.

>>17802294
tungsten carbide sharpeners like that are good but they are lowest common denominator and sharpen to '50$ for 7 knife kit' standards, as in knives that cant hold an edge to save their lives.

>>17803043
dont bother unless you want to sharpen something to straight razor standards (cant use as a kitchen knife) or you need to reprofile a knife, but at that point a hardware store 8$ low grit stone will get you where you need to be to use that thing for the rest of the way.

600-2000 is just fine for a kitchen knife and honestly anything over 1000 is kind of just dick waving.

>>17805152
ok but what the fuck does that have to do with anything I said?
The expansion for that sharpener comes with like 80 - 180 - 250 - 400 - 600 - 800 - 1000 and only like 2 past that plus a strop.
Nowhere did I imply almost anything you said.

>>17805077
And they don't know shit about their stones anyway, no one was able to answer my question about a supermarket stone.

>>17805077
You forget people are just asking and answering questions here. Would you just say get the cheapest shit you possibly can? A pull through sharpener?

>>17805195
Supermarket stone means nothing to anyone except you. Why not post a picture of it or something so we don't have to read your mind, silly.

>>17805188
the low grit you can get cheaper at a hardware store to profile, and realistically you would go from 80 - 400 - 1000, all the intermediate steps are unnecessary

I didn't look this up, but when I was thinking of getting whetstones or a sharpener like this, I saw the stones for it were something along the lines of 30-40$ each, the value in it is mindlessly able to sharpen a knife, if the stones are significantly cheaper than that, sure, it wont hurt, but the other ones I was looking at, seemingly every one I looked at, the stones where the 'gacha' point where you are already invested in a system and you now have a recurring cost.

>>17805195
They are desperate to send the message that any such request is beneath them, as are all opinions that don't salute their elite whetstone faggotry.

>>17805240
Oh, they would surely flex with their knowledge if they had any.

>>17805240
Where is the elitism in this thread? When comparing a whetstone to a pull through sharpener? Pretty much any non pull through sharpening makes a better edge not just whetstones. Lansky style for example. Why are you so peeved about it?

For some it's simply a means to an end for others a hobby and something to enjoy. You could complain about anything the way you are. Ohh my car has a slightly stiffer suspension than yours, so I can turn faster. This wine has a more complex flavor profile. These shoes conform to my foot better. Etc.

And in all honesty people in this thread have not gotten even a fraction as autistic as they could be about whetstones or sharpening in general.

>>17801660
Your mom whet my stones Haha

>>17805252
I would be happy to help you figure it out, but you're being a butthead. Can you post a picture of it? Can you say anything more about it? Like what it looks like?

>>17805195
I can tell you that supermarket stones are universally shit, usually just random grains of shitty Chinese sand bonded together with concrete or some similar crap.

>>17805230
No I wouldn't say get the cheapest shit you can, but I also know that you can pay extravagant amounts for sharpening equipment and be paying for the name and bragging rights and not any measurably better results, just like anything else. Even where you can quantify results that metric doesn't necessarily relate to cost differences, IOW a stone that costs 20x what another one does won't necessarily make an edge 20x sharper or finish the job 20x faster or last 20x longer.

I personally don't care for pull through sharpeners because I know how to use a stone and prefer the results.

That said some are better than others, shitty ones can actually damage the edge and good ones are perfectly capable of sharpening kitchen knives to serviceable standards for most typical uses.

>>17805300
Correct, but that's the same deal with literally anything. Booze, cars, shoes, bottled water, knives, etc. It just sounds like you're complaining to complain. Is there something wrong with enjoying sharpening steel? Honing straight razors can be quite enjoyable and meditative.

If you want ultimate efficiency just get a diamond plate. They feel like shit to use, but are definitely the most efficient.

>>17805267
I never said shit about pull through sharpeners until some anon asked me just now, and didnt tell people not to use them or judge those who do. I also didn't engage in one upsmanship as you suggest, I just laughed at tool hipsters up their own asses over whetstones the same way audiophiles get up their own asses over $9000 speaker cables and the composition of the varnish used on their special wooden $485 aftermarket volume and tone knobs and how it audibly affects resonance and tone-

https://boingboing.net/2005/11/07/astronomically-overp.html

These people are not special or unique or of elevated discernment- they are remarkably common, found in all fields, actually lacking in discernment (they believe their own bullshit) and the only thing elevated about them is their sense of self worth and their hackles when people arent awestruck at how hip they are.

>>17805300
i just use sandpaper wrapped around a block of 2"x4"

>>17805317
any good tips for sharpening straight razor? have one that needs it but havent gotten around to it. Do I need more than a 3000 grit stone?

>>17805341
You sound like you're an angry person. :(

>>17805352
Riverstones can work great also.

>>17805361
Get a jeweler's loupe and use consistent lighting to look at your edge. Flat stones and setting your bevel are two of the most important things. Set bevel with 1k,1.5k, or 2k.

You need to check for flatness using a precision straightedge. Putting pencil marks and lapping them off is not always indicative of a flat surface.

Some people are okay with 8k, but usually going up to 16k is preferred. You can use pastes for a more affordable way to get there. Also use a strop after all honing, but you probably know that already.

>>17805384
ty this helps a bunch

>>17801660
sharp knives are a meme. I like mine a little more dull.

>>17805384
>Riverstones can work great also.
i never even thought of that, i wonder what grit they equal

>>17805289
Sure, the bottom part is supposed to be larger grit but it sucks (the knife just glides over it) but the top (formerly - white) part feels very fine and smooth and noticeably removes metal in a consistent manner. I am not sure if it's not clogging itself and I don't use this stone as often because idk how to (I normally use - cheap as well - diamond plates as they are hassle free) but I would jump on this one if I knew what I'm doing. Thanks.

>>17805476
It looks kind of like carborundum. You can use oil or soapy water with it. I would use soapy water instead of oil personally.

>>17805506
Yeah, oil is a commitment, I will try with soapy water then :D

>>17805300
>a stone that costs 20x what another one does won't necessarily make an edge 20x sharper or finish the job 20x faster or last 20x longer.

You dont pay more money for that. A $100k car wont get you to your destination 10x faster than a $10k used beater, but nobody would expect it to either. Thats not what you spend more money on.

>>17805520
It doesnt look too bad, but you can always use your diamond plate to refresh the stone. Happy sharpening!

>>17801660
>your favorite whetstone
I inherited an old Arkansas whetstone from my grandfather (R.I.P.)
about 6×1½×½ -- unmarked, but one side is fine (maybe 600 grit)
and the opposite side is *very* fine, maybe 1200.
It has been oiled so long, (50 years?) that it seems "permanently"
oiled. It has no smell, so I don't know what kind of oil.

>>17805361
Buy herold red black paste and pit that on grey cardboard. strop on that

>>17805077
>master craftsmen have made literal wonders of the world for centuries without the benefit of the Royal Dominator X3000 UltraStone Supreme of whatever
While you can sharpen a tool on a piece of sandstone or slate, it is well known that that stone faggotory was a big thing back then too. The romans went all the way to belgium to get tool grade coticules, later centurys focused on thuringian slates and english charnwood.
All while you coul get a decent fine stone mined from north itally.
Stones of that type with tool grade properties are unobtanium today, since the deposites are depleted

>>17805077
Yummy pasta

>>17804103
Brainlet

>>17805812
He's acting like shitty chinesium stones and shit tier knives have been the default throughout history whereas in reality it's the other way around. Blacksmithing was a high status vocation, the equivalent of a senior mechanical engineer (not a useless STEM incel who blames his inability to get laid on poos, niggers, and trannies, but an employed person who enjoys the respect of his community).

Wonders of the world WERE in fact made with the equivalent of Royal Dominator X3000s, because those were precious resources and there wasn't a system of mail order catalogs and ignorant consumers that facilitated the kind of mass scale fraud we see in today's tool market.

>>17805077
sharpening is fun

>>17801660
I have the same one, but I feel like the 6000 grit isn't doing anything. I'm splashing the 6000 side instead of soaking it, but I could be doing it wrong because all of the instructions on it were in Japanese.

>>17806552
6000 grit is way overkill for kitchen knives.

If you must your skills need to be on point and you'll get something nearing a mirror finish and a very smooth and refined edge.

>>17806565
What is 6000 grit used for? Still new to whetstones and sharpening. Should I buy something with a lower grit to practice on?

>>17806587
6k grit is for straight razors, some specific knives, chisels/some tools, and getting to a mirror finish for edc knives and stuff like that.

I think ~1.5k is perfect for touch ups. If you get it right 1.5k will be shaving sharp.

When you're using a whetstone you need to make sure you're seeing "steel juice" or the water starts turning black from abrading away steel. Do you get that when using the 6k side?

i got a 12k chosera + nagura to finish my straight razors on but the nagura fucking sticks/sucks on to the stone and makes it a pain in the ass to generate slurry. the 6k suehiro stone/nagura i use before it doesnt have that problem at all

>>17806641
Either lap the nagura to have a shallow convex face or cut some grooves in it. That should stop the sticktion

>>17801729
>oh hey! Instead of being smart and using renewable, cheap and aesthetic wood carvings to cut things, let's chip the fuck out of a rock!
>and then, let's use the wood as a chopping board anyway!
The stone age was a fucking mistake, and it's why we have you rock trannies.

>>17806687
thanks ill try it

>>17802693
You can make it as fast and easy or as slow and complicated as you want, with exactly the same "shaving sharp" results in the end.
The easiest way is to just adopt the stropping motion on the stone (watch some barber stropping his razor on leather belt). Ideally you should do it in a diagonal X pattern, say you pull the blade diagonally from left to right, turn the blade and move it from right to left. Repeat that a few times then move to the other leg: pull from right to left, turn and move from left to right. Doing this on medium grit stone is a minute's work and is already plenty for kitchen use, you can make the knife even sharper by actually repeating the process on the leather.
The method is simple but deceptively powerful; for one thing you can completely ignore the problem of "burr" (with new methods of removing burr being devised daily by sharpening enthusiasts); you don't have burr at all because your sharpening is completely symmetrical. The downside is that you may (and you will) scratch the shiny surface of the blade.

>>17805077
>tool fags doing their sneering dance of superiority based on muh nuances that mere peons "dont understand"

THIS much salt because someone said that a particular budget whetstone has good tactile feedback.

Seek professional help.

>>17801660
The most important part of a good whetstone set up that isn't mention at all enough, is a good sink bridge.
Getting a proper bridge did massive things for making sharpening easier and more efficient for me. Not having to try and deal with all the water or the stone sliding around.
Measure your sink, and buy a bridge to allow you to lock your stone in place properly. You will thank me later.

>>17802240
Honing rods are great. Most of the time when your knife has trouble cutting, it doesn't need to be fully resharpened, just straightened out again. And a HR is great for that.

>>17807456
>Not having to try and deal with all the water or the stone sliding around.
Just place it on a damp towel on your counter.

>>17807456
>sink bridge
What a stupid toy. Mine just is an adjustable clamp on the top, with ribbed black rubber on the bottom so it doesn't slide. I can put it on any surface. I can sit at a bench or even my computer desk and work with my stones for a couple of few hours with different knives while I've got media playing in the background. If it insists on sliding, I'll just put down a towel.

>>17807562
>>17807581
Wet towels are fine, but they're messy and still can slide around.
I've never had luck with rubber bottoms holding still when you start getting them wet.

>>17807456
>>17807665
How much pressure are you using? I've never had any problem with the cheap molded plastic holder that came with a $20 amazon combo stone or the shapton ceramic holders.

I just soak my waterstones in a shoebox sized tub for 2-3 minutes then sprinkle water on top every now and then. The only time I would bring it to the sink is if I'm doing extremely high grit polishing so I can have constant running water.

Sandpaper glued to a stir stick

>>17807456
I hold the stone in my left hand

>>17806603
Yeah but I thought it was coming from the paint on the logo printed on the stone. Good to know that it is supposed to be doing that

>knife getting dull
>break out my whetstone
>start sharpening
>it's kind of sharp I guess
>dulls out after a week
sausage

>>17808412
Did the same knife last long before?
If not, then it may just be soft steel.
If it did, then you may have oversharpened the edge at too low an angle. That makes it sharper, but also less resilient.

>>17808412
>>17808608
It could also be a false edge/burr that feels sharp, but is all flimsy lies.

>>17807864
Seems like a good way to cut yourself.

>>17808412
>>break out my whetstone
nnnnnNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT
>STOP PREENING ABOUT YOUR FLEEBNER "TACTICMADILE FEEDBACK" SUPER NOOANCES X300,00,000 ULTRASTONE SUPREME
>YOU NEED TO STOP SHARPENING KNIFES!!!!

>>17809997
I got a literal GEM to sharpen my 5 dollar kitchen knives on, bitch.

>>17810009
That shit is PURE NATURAL UNADULTERATED AND PRISTINE RUBY.

YEAH, YOU HEARD IT RIGHT. RUBY!

>>17805567
>so I don't know what kind of oil.
Any mineral oil that doesnt gum up will do. Mechanics oil, cheap light weight engine oil for lawnmowers without additives (SAE 10) anything works.

>>17810035
The best oil is actually sperm oil. Sperm whale oil... Don't get too excited, bud.

Sadly it is illegal to produce and the remainder is hard to come by and very expensive.

>>17806552
>I feel like the 6000 grit isn't doing anything
the scienceofsharp.com guy tested the stone and he found the 6k side was so soft that it undid any gains in sharpness by damaging the edge again that you had just created on it.

>>17801729
Enjoy your microrocks in your food faggot

>>17810009
these are unironically good and cheap

>>17802736
You can get simple ones that go up to 1000 grit

Have a worksharp 3 stone thing, and the king 1000/6000

Honestly I don't bother going above 1k usually, gf will dull the edge in 2 days anyhow

Anyone know anything about these, they on sale on knives and tools.com they seem like really good value

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